Official USMB Shutdown Showdown Thread --- Jan 10th, 2019

[bripat9643]

It looks like the rats are bailing on the Piglosi/Schumer sinking ship:

Matthew Boyle, Author at Breitbart​

Congressional Democrats are ditching House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer’s ardent opposition to any barrier or wall along the U.S. border with Mexico, as the partial government shutdown continues and President Donald Trump takes his case directly to the border itself.

““If we have a partial wall, if we have fencing, if we have technology used to keep our border safe, all of that is fine,” Rep. Cheri Bustos (D-IL), the chairwoman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC), said on CNN.

Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-OR) also backed a barrier along the U.S. border with Mexico.

“Some fencing is useful, some barriers are useful,” Merkley said. “There’s a lot of surveillance technology. I’ve been to some cities on the border that have triple fencing and have more personnel and have the technology to see the people moving in the middle of the night.”

These very prominent congressional Democrats’ message on the effectiveness of a wall or barrier or fence is very different from the coordinated message from Schumer and Pelosi just two nights ago when the two Democrat leaders in Congress said in their response to President Trump’s Oval Office address that the wall would be “ineffective.”

Pelosi called the wall “expensive and ineffective,” something that was an “obsession” of Trump’s–while Schumer bashed Trump’s “ineffective, unnecessary border wall” and said that America does not need a barrier on the border for security. “We can secure our border without an expensive, ineffective wall,” Schumer said in his response to Trump.

It remains to be seen where this fight goes from here, but the fact that many Democrats are messaging in a very different way from Pelosi and Schumer is particularly interesting as the next stages of this battle​

 

[The Irish Ram]

 

[william104]

Why don't you suggest the same thing for your side? After all, if they say "yes" to the 5 billion for the wall, the government is reopened.

Why should they?
Trump owns it and a majority of congress want it opened before wall funding is negotiated.

Sure they do. They just want Trump to give in so they can start this charade all over again when the government closes down in a month or two. If they had any intention of negotiations, they would have done it from day one of the shutdown. Instead........Democrats decided it was time for another vacation.

Or they simply believe govt business should not be conducted this way. Certainly there is nothing to lose in trying. The worst case is ending up in the same place.

I disagree. If the government stays shutdown long enough, it will prove we really don't need a lot of these people which is an advantage to Republicans because it's something we've said all along. Plus as other news makes headlines, the shutdown will no longer be an issue for most people.

By Trump signing a CR, it solves the problem, takes the issue out of the news, and forgotten about. Then when it re-emerges again, it becomes a big issue as it is now.

What the Democrats are trying to do is the same they did to Reagan: make promises and never keep them. There is no reason in the world how a shutdown could effect working on the problem. Trump is not buying it and neither are we. Kicking the can down the road doesn't solve anything, especially when it's an advantage to Democrats. Trump needs to keep the pressure on the Democrats to bring this problem to a resolution. They are feeling the pain because most government workers vote Democrat. Trump has nothing to lose.

Its all on the turtle man Mitch in particular; tRump is just GOPer's goofer fool.
There is zero reason for Trump to reopen the government before the wall funding is approved. He gets to watch the fireworks as the democrat party eats itself and at the end... the big boombastic wall is approved!

 

[bripat9643]

I spent 33 years as a Federal Employee and went through several shutdowns

It is not like a vacation. You don’t know when your next paycheck is coming. You don’t go out to dinner, you put purchases on hold, you hold off on your bills and pay those that are most urgent

I always knew you were a useless blood sucking parasite.

 

[JoeB131]

All of them were Euros.

Most of the current crop are Aztecs; only a dozen generations from human sacrifice.

We don't need that... and we don't need them.

Do you spend a lot of time whipping yourself into this kind of Frenzy?

Maybe you should read up on how the Anglos whipped themselves up in a frenzy about those "Euros" who came here earlier.

 

[Claudette]

It looks like the rats are bailing on the Piglosi/Schumer sinking ship:

Matthew Boyle, Author at Breitbart​

Congressional Democrats are ditching House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer’s ardent opposition to any barrier or wall along the U.S. border with Mexico, as the partial government shutdown continues and President Donald Trump takes his case directly to the border itself.

““If we have a partial wall, if we have fencing, if we have technology used to keep our border safe, all of that is fine,” Rep. Cheri Bustos (D-IL), the chairwoman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC), said on CNN.

Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-OR) also backed a barrier along the U.S. border with Mexico.

“Some fencing is useful, some barriers are useful,” Merkley said. “There’s a lot of surveillance technology. I’ve been to some cities on the border that have triple fencing and have more personnel and have the technology to see the people moving in the middle of the night.”

These very prominent congressional Democrats’ message on the effectiveness of a wall or barrier or fence is very different from the coordinated message from Schumer and Pelosi just two nights ago when the two Democrat leaders in Congress said in their response to President Trump’s Oval Office address that the wall would be “ineffective.”

Pelosi called the wall “expensive and ineffective,” something that was an “obsession” of Trump’s–while Schumer bashed Trump’s “ineffective, unnecessary border wall” and said that America does not need a barrier on the border for security. “We can secure our border without an expensive, ineffective wall,” Schumer said in his response to Trump.

It remains to be seen where this fight goes from here, but the fact that many Democrats are messaging in a very different way from Pelosi and Schumer is particularly interesting as the next stages of this battle​

They are realizing that the gruesome twosome are backing a losing cause. And being politicians they want on the winning side which ain't the gruesome twosomes.

Trumps speech hit on every point I hoped he would make. Illegal that cost the tax payers billions each year and the drugs that come across the border.

The rebuttal was lame and you can bet the voters picked up on that big time.

We will have that wall.

 

[JoeB131]

They are realizing that the gruesome twosome are backing a losing cause. And being politicians they want on the winning side which ain't the gruesome twosomes.

Trumps speech hit on every point I hoped he would make. Illegal that cost the tax payers billions each year and the drugs that come across the border.

The rebuttal was lame and you can bet the voters picked up on that big time.

We will have that wall.

Wall is never going to happen.

Most Americans realize it's a waste of money over a non-crisis.

When they start not getting their tax refunds, Trump will fold pretty fast.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Yep.
Let's see....Don't need.....
ICE
CBP
TSA
Coast Guard

OOPS.....accidentally defunded all the agencies needed for the "crisis".

Brilliant!

I guess there goes the "National Guard" too, right?

Well, SHIT!

Good thing the "unorganized militia" is still partially armed.



Whatever will we do without big brother FedZilla to save us?

.

Nice logic.

Tell us some more about emotional Democrats as you screech about an "emergency".

 

[Kondor3]

All of them were Euros.

Most of the current crop are Aztecs; only a dozen generations from human sacrifice.

We don't need that... and we don't need them.

Do you spend a lot of time whipping yourself into this kind of Frenzy?

Maybe you should read up on how the Anglos whipped themselves up in a frenzy about those "Euros" who came here earlier.

Thank you, Comrade Wigger...

This is Nova Europa, not Nuevo Azteca...

Your pals are only a dozen generations removed from human sacrifice and ritual cannibalism...

Collectively speaking... they are primitives... we don't need them... we don't want them... and we're done accommodating them (and you) in this.

You've run out of time.

 

[bullwinkle]

Both sides stupid and divisive things.

But the right seems to be better at going mean.

Fox host on federal employees missing paychecks: "At least some people get to go to the beach"

DAGEN MCDOWELL (GUEST HOST): Don't you think that the Democrats are sitting back, waiting for this moment when the furloughed workers don't get their first paycheck, that the first paycheck is missed, because they want that as kind of a tent pole in their, like, media circus?

MICHAEL BLOCK (MARKET STRATEGIST): The problem is, both parties are culpable here.

...

MCDOWELL: 420,000 of them are on the job and not getting paid, so at least some people get to go to the beach, if you will.

Michael Block is right, we need more transparency to see EXACTLY who is offering what...

Public sector is hiring only non essential jobs are impacted.

Public sector is hiring only non essential jobs are impacted.

Good morning, Azog. I consider airline inspections and food inspection as essential.

 

[Defiant1]

I spent 33 years as a Federal Employee and went through several shutdowns

It is not like a vacation. You don’t know when your next paycheck is coming. You don’t go out to dinner, you put purchases on hold, you hold off on your bills and pay those that are most urgent

You forgot look for a new job.

 

[Kondor3]

...Yep! That is almost exactly word for word as to how the Soviets defended the Berlin wall...

Yep. But in their case, it was bull$hit; in our case, it would be much closer to the truth... keeping people out, rather than in.

The only way your variant of the analogy works is if we lay-down minefields and machine-gun towers and kill people trying to leave.

I do not remember vast numbers of East Berliners demanding that the Soviets and their East German puppets erect their wall.

... But, let's go past that. Closing the borders would lock out our 4th largest trading partner, Mexico...

Yep. It would hurt folks on both sides of the border, but it would hurt them far worse than it hurts us.

...And, like Trump, you think this is a GOOD thing!...

The economic damage would not be a good thing, but the regaining of border integrity and economic equity might prove worth the cost.

...Neither of you, apparently, passed Econon. 101. Christ on a bicycle, Galt, go back to school...

Or, alternatively, they understand the basics, but think that such economic sparring would hurt, short-term, but help, longer-term.

They may be wrong... or they may be right... but I suspect they're committed to putting it to the test.

 

[bullwinkle]

It means that those that bitch about it are making a mountain out of a molehill.

Zeph, do a test...so long as the shutdown lasts, do not cash your paycheck. Get by with what you have on hand, pay any benefits deducted by your employer such as healthcare and/or alimony together with the bills you usually pay. If you continue to work without pay, there will be commuter expenses, lunches etc. When they return to work, then cash in. You can then pay off any borrowed money, and tell us from experience how easy it is.

 

[cnm]

Gimme a break, Tell me again who "owns" the shutdown?

Not Trump, fer shure. He denied all knowledge of it.

 

[Claudette]

I spent 33 years as a Federal Employee and went through several shutdowns

It is not like a vacation. You don’t know when your next paycheck is coming. You don’t go out to dinner, you put purchases on hold, you hold off on your bills and pay those that are most urgent

And you get 100% of your pay when its over.

Mark

Yup and so did every other Fed employee.

You ever get that while working in the private sector??

I never did.

 

[easyt65]

Both sides stupid and divisive things.

But the right seems to be better at going mean.

Fox host on federal employees missing paychecks: "At least some people get to go to the beach"

DAGEN MCDOWELL (GUEST HOST): Don't you think that the Democrats are sitting back, waiting for this moment when the furloughed workers don't get their first paycheck, that the first paycheck is missed, because they want that as kind of a tent pole in their, like, media circus?

MICHAEL BLOCK (MARKET STRATEGIST): The problem is, both parties are culpable here.

...

MCDOWELL: 420,000 of them are on the job and not getting paid, so at least some people get to go to the beach, if you will.

Michael Block is right, we need more transparency to see EXACTLY who is offering what...

Pelosi is so unconcerned with her shutdown she went to Hawaii....so what's your problem / point?

 

[LeftofLeft]

Both sides stupid and divisive things.

But the right seems to be better at going mean.

Fox host on federal employees missing paychecks: "At least some people get to go to the beach"

DAGEN MCDOWELL (GUEST HOST): Don't you think that the Democrats are sitting back, waiting for this moment when the furloughed workers don't get their first paycheck, that the first paycheck is missed, because they want that as kind of a tent pole in their, like, media circus?

MICHAEL BLOCK (MARKET STRATEGIST): The problem is, both parties are culpable here.

...

MCDOWELL: 420,000 of them are on the job and not getting paid, so at least some people get to go to the beach, if you will.

Michael Block is right, we need more transparency to see EXACTLY who is offering what...

Pelosi is so unconcerned with her shutdown she went to Hawaii....so what's your problem / point?

Pelosi is a wealthy elitist who looks at everyone as little people. If she were President, we would all be experiencing life under Marie Antoinette.

 

[initforme]

Kooky:.OBS . Obama derangement syndrome
Equally as kooky: .TDS . Trump derangement syndrome
Now the kookiest of them all:. FEDS. Federal employee derangement syndrome. Only in America. Can't make this stuff up.

 

[rightwinger]

I spent 33 years as a Federal Employee and went through several shutdowns

It is not like a vacation. You don’t know when your next paycheck is coming. You don’t go out to dinner, you put purchases on hold, you hold off on your bills and pay those that are most urgent

That explains everything that you are a federal employee. Now I understand why you are such a tool.

Thank you

I am very proud of my years of service

 

[rightwinger]

Both sides stupid and divisive things.

But the right seems to be better at going mean.

Fox host on federal employees missing paychecks: "At least some people get to go to the beach"

DAGEN MCDOWELL (GUEST HOST): Don't you think that the Democrats are sitting back, waiting for this moment when the furloughed workers don't get their first paycheck, that the first paycheck is missed, because they want that as kind of a tent pole in their, like, media circus?

MICHAEL BLOCK (MARKET STRATEGIST): The problem is, both parties are culpable here.

...

MCDOWELL: 420,000 of them are on the job and not getting paid, so at least some people get to go to the beach, if you will.

Michael Block is right, we need more transparency to see EXACTLY who is offering what...

Pelosi is so unconcerned with her shutdown she went to Hawaii....so what's your problem / point?

Pelosi is a wealthy elitist who looks at everyone as little people. If she were President, we would all be experiencing life under Marie Antoinette.

Yet her legislative record shows otherwise

Can you point to any legislation from Republicans that did not primarily help the rich?