OK Death Penalty Opponents - Now What ?

[protectionist]

You are using the threat of escaped convicts to pursue your bloodthirsty agenda for vengence.
That is emotional blackmail.
Reason and logic under the rule of law do not allow your emoting to dictate how justice must be carried out.

Nice try. Vengence has nothing to do with it. PROTECTION is the idea. Not vengence. Maybe you misread my display name. Maybe you need to sharpen up your posting.

 

[g5000]

There are people on this forum who live in constant fear, and their favorite partisan media outlets exploit that fear to keep them shitting in their pants on a daily basis.

 

[protectionist]

The people you should be angry with are the prison officials who let them escape.

I think the anti-death penalty fools are far more to blame.

 

[Derideo_Te]

As others have shown, our justice system is seriously broken, so the only sane thing to do is to place a moratorium on the death penalty until it is fixed and we stop sending innocent people to Death Row.

Then you're RISKING the lives of all the innocent people that the non-executed killers may go about killing. Like David Sweat & Richard Matt, right now. And what if it was YOUR HOUSE they arrive at tonight ?

The people you should be angry with are the prison officials who let them escape.

Or the politicians who cut the funding that resulted in there being an opportunity to escape.

 

[protectionist]

There are people on this forum who live in constant fear, and their favorite partisan media outlets exploit that fear to keep them shitting in their pants on a daily basis.

Sounds like you have a point to make, and are afraid to make it.

 

[Derideo_Te]

You are using the threat of escaped convicts to pursue your bloodthirsty agenda for vengence.
That is emotional blackmail.
Reason and logic under the rule of law do not allow your emoting to dictate how justice must be carried out.

Nice try. Vengence has nothing to do with it. PROTECTION is the idea. Not vengence. Maybe you misread my display name. Maybe you need to sharpen up your posting.

Maybe you are just trying to manipulate others to support your nefarious agenda.

Too bad your agenda is as transparent as glass.

 

[protectionist]

Or the politicians who cut the funding that resulted in there being an opportunity to escape.

Oh, yes, of course. Here come all the diversions. With or without them, the anti-death penalty crowd allowed these 2 dirtbags to live, and by doing so, put lots of innocent people at RISK. Now those people hopefuly will survive the upcoming days, weeks, or months. Hopefully.

 

[protectionist]

Maybe you are just trying to manipulate others to support your nefarious agenda.

Too bad your agenda is as transparent as glass.

My agenda, as you call it, is exterminate, positive convicted killers. It absolutely IS as transparent as glass, and there is no reason for it not to be.

But I don't hear you addressing THIS >> "let's hear from the death penalty opponents, for what they might now do to protect all the people who are now threatened by these 2 escaped killers."

 

[Auld Phart]

As others have shown, our justice system is seriously broken, so the only sane thing to do is to place a moratorium on the death penalty until it is fixed and we stop sending innocent people to Death Row.

Then you're RISKING the lives of all the innocent people that the non-executed killers may go about killing. Like David Sweat & Richard Matt, right now. And what if it was YOUR HOUSE they arrive at tonight ?

The people you should be angry with are the prison officials who let them escape.

Or the politicians who cut the funding that resulted in there being an opportunity to escape.

Those convicts escaped because funding was cut?

 

[Derideo_Te]

Or the politicians who cut the funding that resulted in there being an opportunity to escape.

Oh, yes, of course. Here come all the diversions. With or without them, the anti-death penalty crowd allowed these 2 dirtbags to live, and by doing so, put lots of innocent people at RISK. Now those people hopefuly will survive the upcoming days, weeks, or months. Hopefully.

Ironic coming from an OP that is nothing but a diversion in order to further a disingenuous agenda.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Oh, so then you're personally responsible for every rapist who escapes and rapes again. At least by your logic, that is.

Rapists who commit real rape should be put to death.

 

[Derideo_Te]

As others have shown, our justice system is seriously broken, so the only sane thing to do is to place a moratorium on the death penalty until it is fixed and we stop sending innocent people to Death Row.

Then you're RISKING the lives of all the innocent people that the non-executed killers may go about killing. Like David Sweat & Richard Matt, right now. And what if it was YOUR HOUSE they arrive at tonight ?

The people you should be angry with are the prison officials who let them escape.

Or the politicians who cut the funding that resulted in there being an opportunity to escape.

Those convicts escaped because funding was cut?

http://www.vera.org/files/price-of-prisons-new-york-fact-sheet.pdf

http://www.picj.org/docs/issue9/PICJ V4N2 Minor 43-58.pdf

http://www.doccs.ny.gov/Research/Reports/2014/SecurityStaffing_2013.pdf

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"OK Death Penalty Opponents - Now What ?"

This fails as an appeal to consequences fallacy.

 

[Auld Phart]

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As others have shown, our justice system is seriously broken, so the only sane thing to do is to place a moratorium on the death penalty until it is fixed and we stop sending innocent people to Death Row.

Then you're RISKING the lives of all the innocent people that the non-executed killers may go about killing. Like David Sweat & Richard Matt, right now. And what if it was YOUR HOUSE they arrive at tonight ?

The people you should be angry with are the prison officials who let them escape.

Or the politicians who cut the funding that resulted in there being an opportunity to escape.

Those convicts escaped because funding was cut?

http://www.vera.org/files/price-of-prisons-new-york-fact-sheet.pdf

http://www.picj.org/docs/issue9/PICJ V4N2 Minor 43-58.pdf

http://www.doccs.ny.gov/Research/Reports/2014/SecurityStaffing_2013.pdf

And what does that have to do with them escaping?

 

[Sonny Clark]

Now that 2 convicted murderers have escaped from a maximum security prison, which hasn't had a prison break in all of its 150 year history, let's hear from the death penalty opponents, for what they might now do to protect all the people who are now threatened by these 2 escaped killers.

Had these two low-life killers been executed years ago, as they should have, and as other murderers have been executed in Florida and Texas, and other states which have the death penalty, this danger would not now exist. So since the opponents of the death penalty have stopped it from happening to these 2 killers (David Sweat & Richard Matt), they now partially bear the responsibility for what happens while these 2 are out running around, on the loose.

How many people will now lose their lives because all these do-gooders thought these 2 dirtbags had to be spared ? That's another question for the Death Penalty Opponents to answer.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/07/us/new...ty%20Opponents

But we still have innocent citizens convicted by circumstantial cases. And, we still have some innocent citizens being released all the time due to the discovery of their innocence by "The Innocence Project" and other groups. In addition, it has been reported lately that thousands of cases are now under review due to faulty lab work that resulted in convictions. So, to we execute everyone sentenced to death without first determining their guilt or innocence? Do we chance executing innocent citizens just because a couple of bad guys escaped? And, who's fault is it that they escaped? Could the state be at fault for allowing them to escape?

There are just too many variables at present to say that "all" sentenced to death should be executed without first determining whether or not they're actually guilty of a crime.

By "every convicted killer" as I stated in Post # 3, I was referring to every one of them whose guilt is positively determined (ex. crime committed on live TV, video recorded , etc).

As for your question marks, mine, in the OP, came first . I'll take answers before I'll start giving them.

Well, please excuuuuuuuuse ..... me ........

 

[Pogo]

Now that 2 convicted murderers have escaped from a maximum security prison, which hasn't had a prison break in all of its 150 year history, let's hear from the death penalty opponents, for what they might now do to protect all the people who are now threatened by these 2 escaped killers.

Had these two low-life killers been executed years ago, as they should have, and as other murderers have been executed in Florida and Texas, and other states which have the death penalty, this danger would not now exist. So since the opponents of the death penalty have stopped it from happening to these 2 killers (David Sweat & Richard Matt), they now partially bear the responsibility for what happens while these 2 are out running around, on the loose.

How many people will now lose their lives because all these do-gooders thought these 2 dirtbags had to be spared ? That's another question for the Death Penalty Opponents to answer.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/07/us/new...ty%20Opponents

Nope. Actually the question is for the pro-death element to answer, and that is: who the fuck gave the State the right to take a life?

 

[Pogo]

Protectionist, until we get it right on actually executing folks that are guilty 100% of the time, the slowdown will continue. Rightly so.

One could just as easily say UNTIL all convicted killers can be safely known to not ever kill again, the executions will continue, Rightly so.

Fact is though, we can NEVER be assured they won't kill again.

You can never be assured that ANYBODY won't kill. So you might as well just herd the entire human race into automated gas chambers. Automated because you can't leave the gas chamber operator behind -- he's a killer.

Your own logic.

 

[2aguy]

Oh, so then you're personally responsible for every rapist who escapes and rapes again. At least by your logic, that is.

A rape conviction should be a life sentence...not the death penalty if the victim isn't killed, but life. rapists cannot stop....and need to be controlled...the death penalty for murderers so they never kill again...

 

[2aguy]

Now that 2 convicted murderers have escaped from a maximum security prison, which hasn't had a prison break in all of its 150 year history, let's hear from the death penalty opponents, for what they might now do to protect all the people who are now threatened by these 2 escaped killers.

Had these two low-life killers been executed years ago, as they should have, and as other murderers have been executed in Florida and Texas, and other states which have the death penalty, this danger would not now exist. So since the opponents of the death penalty have stopped it from happening to these 2 killers (David Sweat & Richard Matt), they now partially bear the responsibility for what happens while these 2 are out running around, on the loose.

How many people will now lose their lives because all these do-gooders thought these 2 dirtbags had to be spared ? That's another question for the Death Penalty Opponents to answer.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/07/us/new...ty%20Opponents

Nope. Actually the question is for the pro-death element to answer, and that is: who the fuck gave the State the right to take a life?

and as William F. Buckley would retort....then who the fuck gave the State the right to kidnap and imprison citizens....using your stupid logic,....isn't that what they do to criminals...they kidnap them and hold them prisoner......essentially state controlled kidnapping..........

 

[2aguy]

Protectionist, until we get it right on actually executing folks that are guilty 100% of the time, the slowdown will continue. Rightly so.

One could just as easily say UNTIL all convicted killers can be safely known to not ever kill again, the executions will continue, Rightly so.

Fact is though, we can NEVER be assured they won't kill again.

You can never be assured that ANYBODY won't kill. So you might as well just herd the entire human race into automated gas chambers. Automated because you can't leave the gas chamber operator behind -- he's a killer.

Your own logic.

No dipstick.....these assholes actually did kill people...no guess work involved....but thanks for letting your inner socialist slip out.........you might want to hide that until your kind assumes total power....