On this 4th of July........Don’t forget to thank a Liberal

[Political Junky]

Our founding fathers were the most liberal thinkers of their era

Imagine believing that all men were created equal, that royalty were no better than anyone else, that common people should vote

Conservatives supported the King ....that is where the power was

Our liberal founding fathers risked all to create a new nation

/——/ Our Founding Fathers believed marriage was between a man and woman. Liberals, not so much.

They believed women shouldn't vote nor hold office.

 

[LuckyDuck]

Our founding fathers were the most liberal thinkers of their era

Imagine believing that all men were created equal, that royalty were no better than anyone else, that common people should vote

Conservatives supported the King ....that is where the power was

Our liberal founding fathers risked all to create a new nation

Just FYI, our Founding Fathers, created a "Constitutional Republic," and the Electoral College, not a true Democracy.

 

[9thIDdoc]

The GOP is Tory in origin. The party of Lincoln. The party of the most influential human being in all of American political history. So, call me a Tory. Besides being an anachronism, it's flattering.

Really? Tory militia fought on the side of the British. Anti-American.

I am so glad I could amuse you and stuff. Not Anti American. George Washington was a commissioned officer in the British Army and a Proud upstanding Tory. And a slave owner. Which takes us back to the OP's original point...Blacks don't have to observe the 4th, but if they do, that's good too.

Correct. Blacks are not required to appreciate the freedom given them by my White ancestors.

 

[westwall]

Our founding fathers were the most liberal thinkers of their era

Imagine believing that all men were created equal, that royalty were no better than anyone else, that common people should vote

Conservatives supported the King ....that is where the power was

Our liberal founding fathers risked all to create a new nation

Yes indeed. And thank the Gods that the Founders weren't scumbag progressives!

 

[JakeStarkey]

Government is a consumer, it's not a producer.

This is something that isnt discussed anywhere nearly as much as it should be. Great point. The government doesn't produce anything. Therefore, the government has nothing. Anything they aquire, they take from producers and then they redistribute what they took from producers however they want to others arbitrarily.

They're not even consumers. They're thieves.

Libertarian horsecrap. Consider the contracts of DOD with the military. Those are mighty producers.

Consider the contracts of the US with not only the military forces but all of the agencies and businesses that supported the effort in WWII.

The workers never would have tolerated libertarian propaganda in their factories.

Wow, you choose less than 1% of the governments activities and one that is actually constitutional for your example. Military contractors produce mostly expendables. Things that have no advantage to the everyday citizen, but necessary to the survival of the country. Unfortunately the federal bureaucracy makes even that cost much more than it should. Because the bureaucracy consumes..

Your evaluation of what I said or your lack of understanding of the government remain obvious.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Just can't bring yourself to tell the truth can ya? The fact is both were made up of citizens willing to bear arms in the defense of the country. The only difference is the level of training the regular army received, which back then wasn't very damn much.

OKTexas remains in error and yet again reveals his lack of knowledge about our Continental Army. The militia were temporary soldiers of the individual states. The Continental Army was made up of regulars enlisted in the national Army. He implies the truth is not the truth, which is his problem. He states but offers no proof that the Continentals did not receive training, that it "wasn't very damn much." General Baron von Steuben, who trained the Continentals into a professional, would have had such ignorant and insulting remarks by such as OK Texas punished by whipping on the wheel. He would never have permitted sass from trash to go unpunished.

A good read about Baron von Steuben is Biography of Baron von Steuben

 

[JakeStarkey]

"Yet now you commiecrats are demanding Christian values to be substituted for our secular law enforcement decisions. Hypocrites much? .

That is the remark of cultural fascism, typically a falsehood that makes no sense. There are no commies in Americ. If there were they would not substitute any religous values "for our secular law enforcement decisions."

Real Christians would want our law enforcement motivated by spiritual and ethical values, though.

 

[IM2]

What is a liberal?

A person who looks at the challenges of his day and seeks to make them better

Our founding fathers would look at Trump today and start another revolution

By that definition Donald J Trump is the ultimate "liberal". He came to Washington faced with the Herculean labor of repairing America after 8 years of Obamunist destruction.

He's used imagination and his force of will to work diligently to clean Obama Augean stables after so many years of neglect.

There was nothing to repair. Trump is ruining this country.

 

[IM2]

Our founding fathers were the most liberal thinkers of their era

Imagine believing that all men were created equal, that royalty were no better than anyone else, that common people should vote

Conservatives supported the King ....that is where the power was

Our liberal founding fathers risked all to create a new nation

Paranoid Slave rapists who didn't want to pay their taxes, subjugating women and stealing land from Indians and Mexicans.

I guess that makes them conservatives.

 

[Cellblock2429]

What is a liberal?

A person who looks at the challenges of his day and seeks to make them better

Our founding fathers would look at Trump today and start another revolution

By that definition Donald J Trump is the ultimate "liberal". He came to Washington faced with the Herculean labor of repairing America after 8 years of Obamunist destruction.

He's used imagination and his force of will to work diligently to clean Obama Augean stables after so many years of neglect.

There was nothing to repair. Trump is ruining this country.

/----/ This is Libtard Moonbat's idea of ruining the country:
Year One List: 81 major Trump achievements, 11 Obama legacy items repealed
Below are the 12 categories and 81 wins cited by the White House.

Jobs and the economy

• Passage of the tax reform bill providing $5.5 billion in cuts and repealing the Obamacare mandate.

• Increase of the GDP above 3 percent.

• Creation of 1.7 million new jobs, cutting unemployment to 4.1 percent.

• Saw the Dow Jones reach record highs.

• A rebound in economic confidence to a 17-year high.

• A new executive order to boost apprenticeships.

• A move to boost computer sciences in Education Department programs.

• Prioritizing women-owned businesses for some $500 million in SBA loans.

Killing job-stifling regulations

• Signed an Executive Order demanding that two regulations be killed for every new one creates. He beat that big and cut 16 rules and regulations for every one created, saving $8.1 billion.

• Signed 15 congressional regulatory cuts.

• Withdrew from the Obama-era Paris Climate Agreement, ending the threat of environmental regulations.

• Signed an Executive Order cutting the time for infrastructure permit approvals.

• Eliminated an Obama rule on streams that Trump felt unfairly targeted the coal industry.

Fair trade

• Made good on his campaign promise to withdraw from the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

• Opened up the North American Free Trade Agreement for talks to better the deal for the U.S.

• Worked to bring companies back to the U.S., and companies like Toyota, Mazda, Broadcom Limited, and Foxconn announced plans to open U.S. plants.

• Worked to promote the sale of U.S products abroad.

• Made enforcement of U.S. trade laws, especially those that involve national security, a priority.

• Ended Obama’s deal with Cuba.

Boosting U.S. energy dominance

• The Department of Interior, which has led the way in cutting regulations, opened plans to lease 77 million acres in the Gulf of Mexico for oil and gas drilling.

• Trump traveled the world to promote the sale and use of U.S. energy.

• Expanded energy infrastructure projects like the Keystone XL Pipeline snubbed by Obama.

• Ordered the Environmental Protection Agency to kill Obama’s Clean Power Plan.

• EPA is reconsidering Obama rules on methane emissions.

Protecting the U.S. homeland

• Laid out new principles for reforming immigration and announced plan to end "chain migration," which lets one legal immigrant to bring in dozens of family members.

• Made progress to build the border wall with Mexico.

• Ended the Obama-era “catch and release” of illegal immigrants.

• Boosted the arrests of illegals inside the U.S.

• Doubled the number of counties participating with Immigration and Customs Enforcement charged with deporting illegals.

• Removed 36 percent more criminal gang members than in fiscal 2016.

• Started the end of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrival program.

• Ditto for other amnesty programs like Deferred Action for Parents of Americans.

• Cracking down on some 300 sanctuary cities that defy ICE but still get federal dollars.

• Added some 100 new immigration judges.

Protecting communities

• Justice announced grants of $98 million to fund 802 new cops.

• Justice worked with Central American nations to arrest and charge 4,000 MS-13 members.

• Homeland rounded up nearly 800 MS-13 members, an 83 percent one-year increase.

• Signed three executive orders aimed at cracking down on international criminal organizations.

• Attorney General Jeff Sessions created new National Public Safety Partnership, a cooperative initiative with cities to reduce violent crimes.

Accountability

• Trump has nominated 73 federal judges and won his nomination of Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court.

• Ordered ethical standards including a lobbying ban.

• Called for a comprehensive plan to reorganize the executive branch.

• Ordered an overhaul to modernize the digital government.

• Called for a full audit of the Pentagon and its spending.

Combatting opioids

• First, the president declared a Nationwide Public Health Emergency on opioids.

• His Council of Economic Advisors played a role in determining that overdoses are underreported by as much as 24 percent.

• The Department of Health and Human Services laid out a new five-point strategy to fight the crisis.

• Justice announced it was scheduling fentanyl substances as a drug class under the Controlled Substances Act.

• Justice started a fraud crackdown, arresting more than 400.

• The administration added $500 million to fight the crisis.

• On National Drug Take Back Day, the Drug Enforcement Agency collected 456 tons.

Protecting life

• In his first week, Trump reinstated and expanded the Mexico City Policy that blocks some $9 billion in foreign aid being used for abortions.

• Worked with Congress on a bill overturning an Obama regulation that blocked states from defunding abortion providers.

• Published guidance to block Obamacare money from supporting abortion.

Helping veterans

• Signed the Veterans Accountability and Whistleblower Protection Act to allow senior officials in the Department of Veterans Affairs to fire failing employees and establish safeguards to protect whistleblowers.

• Signed the Veterans Appeals Improvement and Modernization Act.

• Signed the Harry W. Colmery Veterans Educational Assistance Act, to provide support.

• Signed the VA Choice and Quality Employment Act of 2017 to authorize $2.1 billion in additional funds for the Veterans Choice Program.

• Created a VA hotline.

• Had the VA launch an online “Access and Quality Tool,” providing veterans with a way to access wait time and quality of care data.

• With VA Secretary Dr. David Shulkin, announced three initiatives to expand access to healthcare for veterans using telehealth technology.

Promoting peace through strength

• Directed the rebuilding of the military and ordered a new national strategy and nuclear posture review.

• Worked to increase defense spending.

• Empowered military leaders to “seize the initiative and win,” reducing the need for a White House sign off on every mission.

• Directed the revival of the National Space Council to develop space war strategies.

• Elevated U.S. Cyber Command into a major warfighting command.

• Withdrew from the U.N. Global Compact on Migration, which Trump saw as a threat to borders.

• Imposed a travel ban on nations that lack border and anti-terrorism security.

• Saw ISIS lose virtually all of its territory.

• Pushed for strong action against global outlaw North Korea and its development of nuclear weapons.

• Announced a new Afghanistan strategy that strengthens support for U.S. forces at war with terrorism.

• NATO increased support for the war in Afghanistan.

• Approved a new Iran strategy plan focused on neutralizing the country’s influence in the region.

• Ordered missile strikes against a Syrian airbase used in a chemical weapons attack.

• Prevented subsequent chemical attacks by announcing a plan to detect them better and warned of future strikes if they were used.

• Ordered new sanctions on the dictatorship in Venezuela.

Restoring confidence in and respect for America

• Trump won the release of Americans held abroad, often using his personal relationships with world leaders.

• Made good on a campaign promise to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

• Conducted a historic 12-day trip through Asia, winning new cooperative deals. On the trip, he attended three regional summits to promote American interests.

• He traveled to the Middle East and Europe to build new relationships with leaders.

• Traveled to Poland and on to Germany for the G-20 meeting where he pushed again for funding of women entrepreneurs.
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[rightwinger]

Our founding fathers were the most liberal thinkers of their era

Imagine believing that all men were created equal, that royalty were no better than anyone else, that common people should vote

Conservatives supported the King ....that is where the power was

Our liberal founding fathers risked all to create a new nation

You're trying to sell balls as kidneys and say that you're just as our FFs were.

Your type of liberals are Lenin, Stalin, Marx, Mao, Castro, Chavez...

Nobody is like our founding fathers
They lived in a different era

 

[Polishprince]

Nobody is like our founding fathers
They lived in a different era

And never forget that Tom Jefferson was a Fundamentalist- someone who not only refused to commission Transexual officers into the Army or even permit Gay Marriage in the Virginia Commonwealth as governor.

 

[blastoff]

Our founding fathers were the most liberal thinkers of their era

Imagine believing that all men were created equal, that royalty were no better than anyone else, that common people should vote

Conservatives supported the King ....that is where the power was

Our liberal founding fathers risked all to create a new nation

Amen, rw!

Yes, a hardy thankyou to all you dumbass liberals who followed the Hildebeast campaign train right into the toilet of defeat. And a very special shoutout to you media libs who really had an awesome part to play and contributed mightily to president Trump’s election. Those of us who love America will forever be thankful for all your valuable contributions. I just can’t express all my dee...oh, heck I can just sum it up in two words:
SUPREME COURT!!!

Oh, and we’ve really enjoyed all your phony fireworks so please continue.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Our founding fathers were the most liberal thinkers of their era

Imagine believing that all men were created equal, that royalty were no better than anyone else, that common people should vote

Conservatives supported the King ....that is where the power was

Our liberal founding fathers risked all to create a new nation

You're trying to sell balls as kidneys and say that you're just as our FFs were.

Your type of liberals are Lenin, Stalin, Marx, Mao, Castro, Chavez...

Nobody is like our founding fathers
They lived in a different era

/-----/"Nobody is like our founding fathers They lived in a different era"
And yet you started the thread and your first sentence was "Our founding fathers were the most liberal thinkers of their era" So what was your point? Why are we thanking them?

 

[Claudette]

Our founding fathers were the most liberal thinkers of their era

Imagine believing that all men were created equal, that royalty were no better than anyone else, that common people should vote

Conservatives supported the King ....that is where the power was

Our liberal founding fathers risked all to create a new nation

Key phrase: "for their time"

times change and eventually one must apply the brakes before you go right off a cliff. You're deluding yourself if you think the founding fathers would have supported even a fraction of today's liberal policies.

I agree and the FF also would not approve of the giant Federal Government we now have.

Those very wise men wanted the States to have the power, not a Federal Government.

You can bet they would all be spinning in their graves if they could see the USA of today.

 

[rightwinger]

Why do Conservatives continuallly regurgitate nonsense like.......Liberals don’t believe in freedom?

It shows how limited your intelligence is

Recent examples prove otherwise.


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Hardly

Violence on college campuses to prevent people from simply speaking, hounding administration officials in public because of differences in policy. I could go on, but that's not promoting freedom, it's quite the opposite.


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Constitution provides a right to protest

Address grievances to the government, yes, harass, riot and threaten other citizens, NO!


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Those who break the law get arrested

See how easy it is?

 

[rightwinger]

Our founding fathers were the most liberal thinkers of their era

Imagine believing that all men were created equal, that royalty were no better than anyone else, that common people should vote

Conservatives supported the King ....that is where the power was

Our liberal founding fathers risked all to create a new nation

You're trying to sell balls as kidneys and say that you're just as our FFs were.

Your type of liberals are Lenin, Stalin, Marx, Mao, Castro, Chavez...

Nobody is like our founding fathers
They lived in a different era

/-----/"Nobody is like our founding fathers They lived in a different era"
And yet you started the thread and your first sentence was "Our founding fathers were the most liberal thinkers of their era" So what was your point? Why are we thanking them?
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Our founders were some of the greatest liberal minds in history. That is why we celebrate them

But their liberalism was through the eyes of 18 th century aristocrats. They could not envision a society 250 years later. Doesn’t mean you don’t celebrate what they accomplished

 

[Polishprince]

But their liberalism was through the eyes of 18 th century aristocrats. They could not envision a society 250 years later. Doesn’t mean you don’t celebrate what they accomplished

If these men were around today, they would be called Deplorable Racist Homophobes.

They weren't "liberal" at all, not in the modern sense of the word.

In actuality, they were to the right of Rush.

 

[Thinker101]

Always wanting something for free...get a fricken job.

I have a job. I am also owed a conservative tank of gas.

Sure, it's in the mail.

 

[rightwinger]

But their liberalism was through the eyes of 18 th century aristocrats. They could not envision a society 250 years later. Doesn’t mean you don’t celebrate what they accomplished

If these men were around today, they would be called Deplorable Racist Homophobes.

They weren't "liberal" at all, not in the modern sense of the word.

In actuality, they were to the right of Rush.

You seem to define liberal as a single mindset that remains static through time