On this 4th of July........Don’t forget to thank a Liberal

[OKTexas]

So you now want feel good law enforcement instead of equal justice under the law? Can't be having criminals inconvenienced, right? Amazingly I don't find this surprising at all. It's a hallmark for you commies, everything is situational, as in what would benefit you the best, the hell with the country.


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Commies....how 1950s

No it goes back much further than than that. A heavily progressive income tax is the second plank of communism. Proportional taxes were the founders vision.


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Get over it

Income tax has funded our government for over a hundred years. Your threats of commie....commie.....commie are not very convincing

Yet you commiecrats instituted the second plank of communism and still deny your roots, and have been trying to push all forms of religion out of the public square, just like every commie regime before you, that is just too funny.


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Taxation is Communist?

What a moron

The fact is Marx thought of it long before Wilson adopted it, and come to think of it, Hitlers propaganda minister learned his craft form Wilson's. I'm see a pattern of sharing here, LMAO


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[bripat9643]

You're trying to sell balls as kidneys and say that you're just as our FFs were.

Your type of liberals are Lenin, Stalin, Marx, Mao, Castro, Chavez...

Nobody is like our founding fathers
They lived in a different era

Then why do leftwing douchebags keep claiming their ideals are the same as the Founders'?

Liberal ideals my friend, liberal ideals

You share none of the ideals of the Founding Fathers, douchebag.

As a liberal......of course I do

The ideal of caring about all, the ideal of standing up for the common man, the ideal of all men are created equal

No you don't. they opposed things like welfare and the income tax. They had no idea that government should "care about all" or "stand up for the common man." They believed that man should be equal before the law, and in no other form of equality, which is precisely what you oppose.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Are you insane tonight, OK?

Taxing and Spending Clause - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxing_and_Spending_Clause
The Taxing and Spending Clause (which contains provisions known as the General Welfare Clause) and the Uniformity Clause, Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 of the United States Constitution, grants the federal government of the United States its power of taxation.

 

[bripat9643]

Our founding fathers were the most liberal thinkers of their era

And they were absolutely nothing like you people

They existed in the late 1700s

They are not like anyone today

Meaning they weren't liberals in the modern sense.

Thanks for admitting it.

 

[Ame®icano]

As long as women and pregnancy have been around, so have abortions.

You must feel very lucky, since you haven't been aborted.

 

[Kittymom1026]

As long as women and pregnancy have been around, so have abortions.

Exactly! That's what I said too.

As long as women and pregnancy have been around, so have abortions.

 

[rightwinger]

Nobody is like our founding fathers
They lived in a different era

Then why do leftwing douchebags keep claiming their ideals are the same as the Founders'?

Liberal ideals my friend, liberal ideals

You share none of the ideals of the Founding Fathers, douchebag.

As a liberal......of course I do

The ideal of caring about all, the ideal of standing up for the common man, the ideal of all men are created equal

The Founding Fathers believed that "all men are created equal" only in the sense that they all have the same rights. The other two claims are pure horseshit.

Our liberal founders fought for the rights of the common man

Something Conservatives will NEVER do

 

[rightwinger]

Our founding fathers were the most liberal thinkers of their era

And they were absolutely nothing like you people

They existed in the late 1700s

They are not like anyone today

Meaning they weren't liberals in the modern sense.

Thanks for admitting it.

They were the liberals of their era
Just like liberals today are liberals of this era

Still Liberals

 

[Ame®icano]

Are you insane tonight, OK?

Taxing and Spending Clause - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxing_and_Spending_Clause
The Taxing and Spending Clause (which contains provisions known as the General Welfare Clause) and the Uniformity Clause, Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 of the United States Constitution, grants the federal government of the United States its power of taxation.

Its funny how lefties, when they talk about "general welfare clause" conveniently forget the "common defense" part of the clause. Even funnier that they think that whatever Constitution means to them is exactly what it means to everyone. They always point how Constitution is written so long ago. So what? We go by the definitions of the words contained in the text based on the time when is written. You can't just change the definition to mean whatever you want it to means so you get some imaginary constitutional authority.

When they talk about "general welfare" they're implying that it means "welfare". "Welfare" was a system of payments towards low income people stemming from a great depression, and "general welfare" would be not just low income people but all Americans, therefore we have the power in the privilege to do whatever it is we want to do on behalf of all people, not just some.

This idea that government can always do whatever if feels is best for the greater good is something held by left wing dictators, socialist and communists. Now please explain how it makes sense that the federal government would outline 18 very specific powers they have, but then also say “oh...by the way, the general welfare clause overrides everything and gives us unlimited powers to do whatever we (leftists) want”...?

 

[Ame®icano]

Then why do leftwing douchebags keep claiming their ideals are the same as the Founders'?

Liberal ideals my friend, liberal ideals

You share none of the ideals of the Founding Fathers, douchebag.

As a liberal......of course I do

The ideal of caring about all, the ideal of standing up for the common man, the ideal of all men are created equal

The Founding Fathers believed that "all men are created equal" only in the sense that they all have the same rights. The other two claims are pure horseshit.

Our liberal founders fought for the rights of the common man

Something Conservatives will NEVER do

Stop chanting slogans and give us example.

 

[rightwinger]

Liberal ideals my friend, liberal ideals

You share none of the ideals of the Founding Fathers, douchebag.

As a liberal......of course I do

The ideal of caring about all, the ideal of standing up for the common man, the ideal of all men are created equal

The Founding Fathers believed that "all men are created equal" only in the sense that they all have the same rights. The other two claims are pure horseshit.

Our liberal founders fought for the rights of the common man

Something Conservatives will NEVER do

Stop chanting slogans and give us example.

Show me a single piece of legislation pushed by conservatives that helps the common man without helping the wealthy many, many times more

 

[Ame®icano]

You share none of the ideals of the Founding Fathers, douchebag.

As a liberal......of course I do

The ideal of caring about all, the ideal of standing up for the common man, the ideal of all men are created equal

The Founding Fathers believed that "all men are created equal" only in the sense that they all have the same rights. The other two claims are pure horseshit.

Our liberal founders fought for the rights of the common man

Something Conservatives will NEVER do

Stop chanting slogans and give us example.

Show me a single piece of legislation pushed by conservatives that helps the common man without helping the wealthy many, many times more

Can you cite the text that of the Constitution that directs the Federal government to feed citizen A at the expense of citizen B, and I'll be glad to give you an example.

 

[rightwinger]

As a liberal......of course I do

The ideal of caring about all, the ideal of standing up for the common man, the ideal of all men are created equal

The Founding Fathers believed that "all men are created equal" only in the sense that they all have the same rights. The other two claims are pure horseshit.

Our liberal founders fought for the rights of the common man

Something Conservatives will NEVER do

Stop chanting slogans and give us example.

Show me a single piece of legislation pushed by conservatives that helps the common man without helping the wealthy many, many times more

Can you cite the text that of the Constitution that directs the Federal government to feed citizen A at the expense of citizen B, and I'll be glad to give you an example.

Article 1, Section 1

The Legislature. All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Are you insane tonight, OK?

Taxing and Spending Clause - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxing_and_Spending_Clause
The Taxing and Spending Clause (which contains provisions known as the General Welfare Clause) and the Uniformity Clause, Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 of the United States Constitution, grants the federal government of the United States its power of taxation.

Its funny how lefties, when they talk about "general welfare clause" conveniently forget the "common defense" part of the clause. Even funnier that they think that whatever Constitution means to them is exactly what it means to everyone. They always point how Constitution is written so long ago. So what? We go by the definitions of the words contained in the text based on the time when is written. You can't just change the definition to mean whatever you want it to means so you get some imaginary constitutional authority.

When they talk about "general welfare" they're implying that it means "welfare". "Welfare" was a system of payments towards low income people stemming from a great depression, and "general welfare" would be not just low income people but all Americans, therefore we have the power in the privilege to do whatever it is we want to do on behalf of all people, not just some.

This idea that government can always do whatever if feels is best for the greater good is something held by left wing dictators, socialist and communists. Now please explain how it makes sense that the federal government would outline 18 very specific powers they have, but then also say “oh...by the way, the general welfare clause overrides everything and gives us unlimited powers to do whatever we (leftists) want”...?

You clearly do not understand the Article or its component parts.

No one has ever said EXCEPT YOU that the government can always do whatever it feels.

Show us anyone of signficance in our American mainstream who has said that and I will show you a fool.

 

[Ame®icano]

The Founding Fathers believed that "all men are created equal" only in the sense that they all have the same rights. The other two claims are pure horseshit.

Our liberal founders fought for the rights of the common man

Something Conservatives will NEVER do

Stop chanting slogans and give us example.

Show me a single piece of legislation pushed by conservatives that helps the common man without helping the wealthy many, many times more

Can you cite the text that of the Constitution that directs the Federal government to feed citizen A at the expense of citizen B, and I'll be glad to give you an example.

Article 1, Section 1

The Legislature. All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

Now you're being stupid.

How Article 1. Section 1. directs Federal government to feed citizen A at the expense of citizen B.

Plus, ever heard of 14th "equal protection clause"?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Our liberal founders fought for the rights of the common man

Something Conservatives will NEVER do

Stop chanting slogans and give us example.

Show me a single piece of legislation pushed by conservatives that helps the common man without helping the wealthy many, many times more

Can you cite the text that of the Constitution that directs the Federal government to feed citizen A at the expense of citizen B, and I'll be glad to give you an example.

Article 1, Section 1

The Legislature. All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

Now you're being stupid.

How Article 1. Section 1. directs Federal government to feed citizen A at the expense of citizen B.

Plus, ever heard of 14th "equal protection clause"?

That is a straw man, and you just burned it up.

We are talking about the RIGHT of the government to tax you.

 

[Ame®icano]

Are you insane tonight, OK?

Taxing and Spending Clause - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxing_and_Spending_Clause
The Taxing and Spending Clause (which contains provisions known as the General Welfare Clause) and the Uniformity Clause, Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 of the United States Constitution, grants the federal government of the United States its power of taxation.

Its funny how lefties, when they talk about "general welfare clause" conveniently forget the "common defense" part of the clause. Even funnier that they think that whatever Constitution means to them is exactly what it means to everyone. They always point how Constitution is written so long ago. So what? We go by the definitions of the words contained in the text based on the time when is written. You can't just change the definition to mean whatever you want it to means so you get some imaginary constitutional authority.

When they talk about "general welfare" they're implying that it means "welfare". "Welfare" was a system of payments towards low income people stemming from a great depression, and "general welfare" would be not just low income people but all Americans, therefore we have the power in the privilege to do whatever it is we want to do on behalf of all people, not just some.

This idea that government can always do whatever if feels is best for the greater good is something held by left wing dictators, socialist and communists. Now please explain how it makes sense that the federal government would outline 18 very specific powers they have, but then also say “oh...by the way, the general welfare clause overrides everything and gives us unlimited powers to do whatever we (leftists) want”...?

You clearly do not understand the Article or its component parts.

No one has ever said EXCEPT YOU that the government can always do whatever it feels.

Show us anyone of signficance in our American mainstream who has said that and I will show you a fool.

Huh?

Both of you, rightwinger and you are citing "general welfare clause" as government power that lefties use to push for their programs.

Sorry, neither one of you are of any significance, so lets give you few examples. I'm sure you can check the quotes below by googling.

Under FDR's threats to pack the courts in 1937, Supreme Court would find the Social Security Act constitutional, as a function of general welfare.

Or more recent, when Steny Hoyer was asked where Congress gets the authority to force Americans to buy health insurance, Congressmen said: "Well, in promoting the general welfare the Constitution obviously gives broad authority to Congress to effect that end. The end that we’re trying to effect is to make health care affordable, so I think clearly this is within our constitutional responsibility.”

Or when the same question was addressed to Pelosi, her answer was "Are you serious?"

Just like you now, can't reply to my question, but demand from me to answer yours. And I did, now is your turn, the same request: cite the text that of the Constitution that directs the Federal government to feed citizen A at the expense of citizen B. Go!

 

[bripat9643]

You share none of the ideals of the Founding Fathers, douchebag.

As a liberal......of course I do

The ideal of caring about all, the ideal of standing up for the common man, the ideal of all men are created equal

The Founding Fathers believed that "all men are created equal" only in the sense that they all have the same rights. The other two claims are pure horseshit.

Our liberal founders fought for the rights of the common man

Something Conservatives will NEVER do

Stop chanting slogans and give us example.

Show me a single piece of legislation pushed by conservatives that helps the common man without helping the wealthy many, many times more

Why should that be the criteria? The Founding Fathers fought for the rights of every man, not just useless deadbeats like you.

 

[Ame®icano]

Stop chanting slogans and give us example.

Show me a single piece of legislation pushed by conservatives that helps the common man without helping the wealthy many, many times more

Can you cite the text that of the Constitution that directs the Federal government to feed citizen A at the expense of citizen B, and I'll be glad to give you an example.

Article 1, Section 1

The Legislature. All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

Now you're being stupid.

How Article 1. Section 1. directs Federal government to feed citizen A at the expense of citizen B.

Plus, ever heard of 14th "equal protection clause"?

That is a straw man, and you just burned it up.

We are talking about the RIGHT of the government to tax you.

Nope. Nobody's questioning government right to tax us.

I raised the question about leftist use or misuse of "general welfare clause" which you cited above.

 

[bripat9643]

Our founding fathers were the most liberal thinkers of their era

And they were absolutely nothing like you people

They existed in the late 1700s

They are not like anyone today

Meaning they weren't liberals in the modern sense.

Thanks for admitting it.

They were the liberals of their era
Just like liberals today are liberals of this era

Still Liberals

Again, meaning they weren't liberals in the modern sense.