On this 4th of July........Don’t forget to thank a Liberal

[ThunderKiss1965]

Our founding fathers were the most liberal thinkers of their era

Imagine believing that all men were created equal, that royalty were no better than anyone else, that common people should vote

Conservatives supported the King ....that is where the power was

Our liberal founding fathers risked all to create a new nation

The Founding Fathers would be horrified by Liberal beliefs of today. Big Brother Government and restrictions of 2nd Amendment rights are just a couple of things that are far from their original intent.

 

[Ame®icano]

Our founding fathers were the most liberal thinkers of their era

And they were absolutely nothing like you people

They existed in the late 1700s

They are not like anyone today

Meaning they weren't liberals in the modern sense.

Thanks for admitting it.

They were the liberals of their era
Just like liberals today are liberals of this era

Still Liberals

Again, meaning they weren't liberals in the modern sense.

You're wasting your time bripat. Lefties always call themselves something they're not, never what they really are.

They were Democrats when they wanted to keep their slaves. They were KKK members. They were fighting against civil rights for more then a century, just to become "champions" of civil rights. They called themselves Progressives, when they push for segregation.

Today they call themselves "liberals". Just like founding fathers were... while they're openly pushing for collectivism, socialism, and statism.

They're not communists yet, and that's why I'm calling them lefties. For now.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The FFs would be horrified by the fascistic tendencies of the GOP's right wing today.

American was unable to show that anyone said government could do whatever it wanted to do, which was absolute nonsense.

American forgot to tell you that it was the Dem party in Congress that said 'no' to court packing SCOTUS.

American admits taxation is legal.

The 'general welfare cause' is an issue for SCOTUS and Congress.

The slave owners of the 1850s and the KKK of the 1950s were conservatives.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The FFs would be horrified by the fascistic tendencies of the GOP's right wing today.

American was unable to show that anyone said government could do whatever it wanted to do, which was absolute nonsense.

American forgot to tell you that it was the Dem party in Congress that said 'no' to court packing SCOTUS.

American admits taxation is legal.

The 'general welfare cause' is an issue for SCOTUS and Congress.

The slave owners of the 1850s and the KKK of the 1950s were conservatives.

What do you gain by lying, Jake?

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

The FFs would be horrified by the fascistic tendencies of the GOP's right wing today.

American was unable to show that anyone said government could do whatever it wanted to do, which was absolute nonsense.

American forgot to tell you that it was the Dem party in Congress that said 'no' to court packing SCOTUS.

American admits taxation is legal.

The 'general welfare cause' is an issue for SCOTUS and Congress.

The slave owners of the 1850s and the KKK of the 1950s were conservatives.

The Government has spread way beyond what the founding Fathers intended and it takes a Liberal interpretation of of The Bill of Rights and Constitution that allows things like segregation and Jim Crow which were exclusively a Democratic Party thing.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yes, the FFs world was far different than ours today.

Segregation and Jim Crow were conservative institutions and belief.

 

[rightwinger]

Our liberal founders fought for the rights of the common man

Something Conservatives will NEVER do

Stop chanting slogans and give us example.

Show me a single piece of legislation pushed by conservatives that helps the common man without helping the wealthy many, many times more

Can you cite the text that of the Constitution that directs the Federal government to feed citizen A at the expense of citizen B, and I'll be glad to give you an example.

Article 1, Section 1

The Legislature. All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

Now you're being stupid.

How Article 1. Section 1. directs Federal government to feed citizen A at the expense of citizen B.

Plus, ever heard of 14th "equal protection clause"?

Article 1, Section 1 gives Congress legislative powers
Those powers include the function of raising revenue and authorizing expenditures on behalf of We the People

There is no way that each citizen can benefit equally from every expenditure .

 

[rightwinger]

The FFs would be horrified by the fascistic tendencies of the GOP's right wing today.

American was unable to show that anyone said government could do whatever it wanted to do, which was absolute nonsense.

American forgot to tell you that it was the Dem party in Congress that said 'no' to court packing SCOTUS.

American admits taxation is legal.

The 'general welfare cause' is an issue for SCOTUS and Congress.

The slave owners of the 1850s and the KKK of the 1950s were conservatives.

The Government has spread way beyond what the founding Fathers intended and it takes a Liberal interpretation of of The Bill of Rights and Constitution that allows things like segregation and Jim Crow which were exclusively a Democratic Party thing.

As it should

We are now the richest and most powerful nation on earth and there are a hundred times the number of people there were in Colonial times

 

[rightwinger]

Are you insane tonight, OK?

Taxing and Spending Clause - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxing_and_Spending_Clause
The Taxing and Spending Clause (which contains provisions known as the General Welfare Clause) and the Uniformity Clause, Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 of the United States Constitution, grants the federal government of the United States its power of taxation.

Its funny how lefties, when they talk about "general welfare clause" conveniently forget the "common defense" part of the clause. Even funnier that they think that whatever Constitution means to them is exactly what it means to everyone. They always point how Constitution is written so long ago. So what? We go by the definitions of the words contained in the text based on the time when is written. You can't just change the definition to mean whatever you want it to means so you get some imaginary constitutional authority.

When they talk about "general welfare" they're implying that it means "welfare". "Welfare" was a system of payments towards low income people stemming from a great depression, and "general welfare" would be not just low income people but all Americans, therefore we have the power in the privilege to do whatever it is we want to do on behalf of all people, not just some.

This idea that government can always do whatever if feels is best for the greater good is something held by left wing dictators, socialist and communists. Now please explain how it makes sense that the federal government would outline 18 very specific powers they have, but then also say “oh...by the way, the general welfare clause overrides everything and gives us unlimited powers to do whatever we (leftists) want”...?

You clearly do not understand the Article or its component parts.

No one has ever said EXCEPT YOU that the government can always do whatever it feels.

Show us anyone of signficance in our American mainstream who has said that and I will show you a fool.

Huh?

Both of you, rightwinger and you are citing "general welfare clause" as government power that lefties use to push for their programs.

Sorry, neither one of you are of any significance, so lets give you few examples. I'm sure you can check the quotes below by googling.

Under FDR's threats to pack the courts in 1937, Supreme Court would find the Social Security Act constitutional, as a function of general welfare.

Or more recent, when Steny Hoyer was asked where Congress gets the authority to force Americans to buy health insurance, Congressmen said: "Well, in promoting the general welfare the Constitution obviously gives broad authority to Congress to effect that end. The end that we’re trying to effect is to make health care affordable, so I think clearly this is within our constitutional responsibility.”

Or when the same question was addressed to Pelosi, her answer was "Are you serious?"

Just like you now, can't reply to my question, but demand from me to answer yours. And I did, now is your turn, the same request: cite the text that of the Constitution that directs the Federal government to feed citizen A at the expense of citizen B. Go!

Social Security has withstood court challenges for 80 years. So have Medicare, Welfare Programs and even Obamacare

Your limited views of government responsibilities are not supported by the courts

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Yes, the FFs world was far different than ours today.

Segregation and Jim Crow were conservative institutions and belief.

Jake, stop lying.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

No it goes back much further than than that. A heavily progressive income tax is the second plank of communism. Proportional taxes were the founders vision.


.

Get over it

Income tax has funded our government for over a hundred years. Your threats of commie....commie.....commie are not very convincing

Yet you commiecrats instituted the second plank of communism and still deny your roots, and have been trying to push all forms of religion out of the public square, just like every commie regime before you, that is just too funny.


.

Taxation is Communist?

What a moron

The far right are not classical liberals, never have been.

They are John Birchers

Pull your head out of your ass.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Are you insane tonight, OK?

Taxing and Spending Clause - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxing_and_Spending_Clause
The Taxing and Spending Clause (which contains provisions known as the General Welfare Clause) and the Uniformity Clause, Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 of the United States Constitution, grants the federal government of the United States its power of taxation.

Its funny how lefties, when they talk about "general welfare clause" conveniently forget the "common defense" part of the clause. Even funnier that they think that whatever Constitution means to them is exactly what it means to everyone. They always point how Constitution is written so long ago. So what? We go by the definitions of the words contained in the text based on the time when is written. You can't just change the definition to mean whatever you want it to means so you get some imaginary constitutional authority.

When they talk about "general welfare" they're implying that it means "welfare". "Welfare" was a system of payments towards low income people stemming from a great depression, and "general welfare" would be not just low income people but all Americans, therefore we have the power in the privilege to do whatever it is we want to do on behalf of all people, not just some.

This idea that government can always do whatever if feels is best for the greater good is something held by left wing dictators, socialist and communists. Now please explain how it makes sense that the federal government would outline 18 very specific powers they have, but then also say “oh...by the way, the general welfare clause overrides everything and gives us unlimited powers to do whatever we (leftists) want”...?

You clearly do not understand the Article or its component parts.

No one has ever said EXCEPT YOU that the government can always do whatever it feels.

Show us anyone of signficance in our American mainstream who has said that and I will show you a fool.

Huh?

Both of you, rightwinger and you are citing "general welfare clause" as government power that lefties use to push for their programs.

Sorry, neither one of you are of any significance, so lets give you few examples. I'm sure you can check the quotes below by googling.

Under FDR's threats to pack the courts in 1937, Supreme Court would find the Social Security Act constitutional, as a function of general welfare.

Or more recent, when Steny Hoyer was asked where Congress gets the authority to force Americans to buy health insurance, Congressmen said: "Well, in promoting the general welfare the Constitution obviously gives broad authority to Congress to effect that end. The end that we’re trying to effect is to make health care affordable, so I think clearly this is within our constitutional responsibility.”

Or when the same question was addressed to Pelosi, her answer was "Are you serious?"

Just like you now, can't reply to my question, but demand from me to answer yours. And I did, now is your turn, the same request: cite the text that of the Constitution that directs the Federal government to feed citizen A at the expense of citizen B. Go!

Social Security has withstood court challenges for 80 years. So have Medicare, Welfare Programs and even Obamacare

Your limited views of government responsibilities are not supported by the courts

Not yet anyway.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Are you insane tonight, OK?

Taxing and Spending Clause - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxing_and_Spending_Clause
The Taxing and Spending Clause (which contains provisions known as the General Welfare Clause) and the Uniformity Clause, Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 of the United States Constitution, grants the federal government of the United States its power of taxation.

Its funny how lefties, when they talk about "general welfare clause" conveniently forget the "common defense" part of the clause. Even funnier that they think that whatever Constitution means to them is exactly what it means to everyone. They always point how Constitution is written so long ago. So what? We go by the definitions of the words contained in the text based on the time when is written. You can't just change the definition to mean whatever you want it to means so you get some imaginary constitutional authority.

When they talk about "general welfare" they're implying that it means "welfare". "Welfare" was a system of payments towards low income people stemming from a great depression, and "general welfare" would be not just low income people but all Americans, therefore we have the power in the privilege to do whatever it is we want to do on behalf of all people, not just some.

This idea that government can always do whatever if feels is best for the greater good is something held by left wing dictators, socialist and communists. Now please explain how it makes sense that the federal government would outline 18 very specific powers they have, but then also say “oh...by the way, the general welfare clause overrides everything and gives us unlimited powers to do whatever we (leftists) want”...?

You clearly do not understand the Article or its component parts.

No one has ever said EXCEPT YOU that the government can always do whatever it feels.

Show us anyone of signficance in our American mainstream who has said that and I will show you a fool.

Huh?

Both of you, rightwinger and you are citing "general welfare clause" as government power that lefties use to push for their programs.

Sorry, neither one of you are of any significance, so lets give you few examples. I'm sure you can check the quotes below by googling.

Under FDR's threats to pack the courts in 1937, Supreme Court would find the Social Security Act constitutional, as a function of general welfare.

Or more recent, when Steny Hoyer was asked where Congress gets the authority to force Americans to buy health insurance, Congressmen said: "Well, in promoting the general welfare the Constitution obviously gives broad authority to Congress to effect that end. The end that we’re trying to effect is to make health care affordable, so I think clearly this is within our constitutional responsibility.”

Or when the same question was addressed to Pelosi, her answer was "Are you serious?"

Just like you now, can't reply to my question, but demand from me to answer yours. And I did, now is your turn, the same request: cite the text that of the Constitution that directs the Federal government to feed citizen A at the expense of citizen B. Go!

Social Security has withstood court challenges for 80 years. So have Medicare, Welfare Programs and even Obamacare

Your limited views of government responsibilities are not supported by the courts

Not yet anyway.

And no reason to think they will be.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

The FFs would be horrified by the fascistic tendencies of the GOP's right wing today.

American was unable to show that anyone said government could do whatever it wanted to do, which was absolute nonsense.

American forgot to tell you that it was the Dem party in Congress that said 'no' to court packing SCOTUS.

American admits taxation is legal.

The 'general welfare cause' is an issue for SCOTUS and Congress.

The slave owners of the 1850s and the KKK of the 1950s were conservatives.

The Government has spread way beyond what the founding Fathers intended and it takes a Liberal interpretation of of The Bill of Rights and Constitution that allows things like segregation and Jim Crow which were exclusively a Democratic Party thing.

As it should

We are now the richest and most powerful nation on earth and there are a hundred times the number of people there were in Colonial times

The original intent was for a small Federal Government with anything not covered by the Constitution falling to the states to take care of but what your saying is the more people the country has the bigger the Fed should be. When does that stop ? The Fed is already the biggest employer in the US with 2.7 million employees and that doesn't even include military personnel. That's just wrong in a free society and seems more like what would happen in a Communist country.

 

[JakeStarkey]

No, it does not, TK.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

It's funny to see any liberal equating the founding fathers with modern American liberals because liberals often bash the founding fathers as racists, white supremacists, homophobes, elitists, male chauvinists, etc., etc.

Our founders were liberals
18th century liberals....but still liberals

Slave owning Liberals

 

[Andylusion]

Our founding fathers were the most liberal thinkers of their era

Imagine believing that all men were created equal, that royalty were no better than anyone else, that common people should vote

Conservatives supported the King ....that is where the power was

Our liberal founding fathers risked all to create a new nation

The liberalism of the Founding Fathers was exactly the opposite of the kind you have been brainwashed with. They believed in freedom. You don't. Notice that freedom was the main goal of the Founding Fathers, and you don't even mention it. They certainly didn't give a fuck about the common people voting. In fact they greatly feared it.

Why do Conservatives continuallly regurgitate nonsense like.......Liberals don’t believe in freedom?

It shows how limited your intelligence is

Because it's true. Today's Liberals, are the ideology of anti-freedom. It's a fact.

You support every aspect of regulation, do you not? What is regulation? It's restriction on freedom.

You support taking away a private citizens ability to defend themselves from criminals. That's a restriction on freedom.

You support taking away free speech. That's why you have safe spaces, and concepts like Micro-agression.

Which group came up with the 'hush-rush' law? Left-wingers.

All of these and many more, are examples of the left-wing opposing freedom. Like saying a bakery can't choose who they cater to. That's an opposition to freedom.

 

[Andylusion]

Are you insane tonight, OK?

Taxing and Spending Clause - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxing_and_Spending_Clause
The Taxing and Spending Clause (which contains provisions known as the General Welfare Clause) and the Uniformity Clause, Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 of the United States Constitution, grants the federal government of the United States its power of taxation.

Its funny how lefties, when they talk about "general welfare clause" conveniently forget the "common defense" part of the clause. Even funnier that they think that whatever Constitution means to them is exactly what it means to everyone. They always point how Constitution is written so long ago. So what? We go by the definitions of the words contained in the text based on the time when is written. You can't just change the definition to mean whatever you want it to means so you get some imaginary constitutional authority.

When they talk about "general welfare" they're implying that it means "welfare". "Welfare" was a system of payments towards low income people stemming from a great depression, and "general welfare" would be not just low income people but all Americans, therefore we have the power in the privilege to do whatever it is we want to do on behalf of all people, not just some.

This idea that government can always do whatever if feels is best for the greater good is something held by left wing dictators, socialist and communists. Now please explain how it makes sense that the federal government would outline 18 very specific powers they have, but then also say “oh...by the way, the general welfare clause overrides everything and gives us unlimited powers to do whatever we (leftists) want”...?

You clearly do not understand the Article or its component parts.

No one has ever said EXCEPT YOU that the government can always do whatever it feels.

Show us anyone of signficance in our American mainstream who has said that and I will show you a fool.

Huh?

Both of you, rightwinger and you are citing "general welfare clause" as government power that lefties use to push for their programs.

Sorry, neither one of you are of any significance, so lets give you few examples. I'm sure you can check the quotes below by googling.

Under FDR's threats to pack the courts in 1937, Supreme Court would find the Social Security Act constitutional, as a function of general welfare.

Or more recent, when Steny Hoyer was asked where Congress gets the authority to force Americans to buy health insurance, Congressmen said: "Well, in promoting the general welfare the Constitution obviously gives broad authority to Congress to effect that end. The end that we’re trying to effect is to make health care affordable, so I think clearly this is within our constitutional responsibility.”

Or when the same question was addressed to Pelosi, her answer was "Are you serious?"

Just like you now, can't reply to my question, but demand from me to answer yours. And I did, now is your turn, the same request: cite the text that of the Constitution that directs the Federal government to feed citizen A at the expense of citizen B. Go!

Social Security has withstood court challenges for 80 years. So have Medicare, Welfare Programs and even Obamacare

Your limited views of government responsibilities are not supported by the courts

It's true that these programs have withstood court challenges. Doesn't mean the court is right. They are wrong.

What you are showing is that your limited intellectual capability isn't enough to determine for yourself if those programs are constitutional. That's why you have default back to "Some court said it was ok.... so...."

 

[mikegriffith1]

Our founding fathers were the most liberal thinkers of their era

Indeed, but the classical liberalism they fostered had nothing in common philosophically with you term-absconding modern-day Bolsheviks.

A liberal is a liberal, is a liberal.

LOL! Uh, no, liberalism in the 18th century bore no resemblance to modern American liberalism. You are smoking something if you think James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson, and George Washington would be liberals in our day. They would view you and your fellow liberals as sick, immoral, and ignorant Jacobin radicals.

Our founders would be proud of today’s liberals ....they have the same values

They would be appalled at American Conservatism

The first shots of the Revolutionary War was when the government came to confiscate guns of citizens, Dufus. So we shot them.

Yeah, this OP is just hilarious. You hate to make fun of anyone, but . . . my goodness . . . to even think about comparing the founding fathers to modern American liberals shows a profound ignorance of American history.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Indeed, but the classical liberalism they fostered had nothing in common philosophically with you term-absconding modern-day Bolsheviks.

A liberal is a liberal, is a liberal.

LOL! Uh, no, liberalism in the 18th century bore no resemblance to modern American liberalism. You are smoking something if you think James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson, and George Washington would be liberals in our day. They would view you and your fellow liberals as sick, immoral, and ignorant Jacobin radicals.

Our founders would be proud of today’s liberals ....they have the same values

They would be appalled at American Conservatism

The first shots of the Revolutionary War was when the government came to confiscate guns of citizens, Dufus. So we shot them.

Yeah, this OP is just hilarious. You hate to make fun of anyone, but . . . my goodness . . . to even think about comparing the founding fathers to modern American liberals shows a profound ignorance of American history.

The Left believe their physically assaulting children is just as brave as the Minutemen standing facing the most powerful and well trained Army in the world.