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The original “intent” was because each state was isolated geographically and the federal government was too poor and weak to maintain central control.The original intent was for a small Federal Government with anything not covered by the Constitution falling to the states to take care of but what your saying is the more people the country has the bigger the Fed should be. When does that stop ? The Fed is already the biggest employer in the US with 2.7 million employees and that doesn't even include military personnel. That's just wrong in a free society and seems more like what would happen in a Communist country.As it shouldThe Government has spread way beyond what the founding Fathers intended and it takes a Liberal interpretation of of The Bill of Rights and Constitution that allows things like segregation and Jim Crow which were exclusively a Democratic Party thing.The FFs would be horrified by the fascistic tendencies of the GOP's right wing today.
American was unable to show that anyone said government could do whatever it wanted to do, which was absolute nonsense.
American forgot to tell you that it was the Dem party in Congress that said 'no' to court packing SCOTUS.
American admits taxation is legal.
The 'general welfare cause' is an issue for SCOTUS and Congress.
The slave owners of the 1850s and the KKK of the 1950s were conservatives.
We are now the richest and most powerful nation on earth and there are a hundred times the number of people there were in Colonial times
The right believes in sticking children in cagesThe Left believe their physically assaulting children is just as brave as the Minutemen standing facing the most powerful and well trained Army in the world.The first shots of the Revolutionary War was when the government came to confiscate guns of citizens, Dufus. So we shot them.A liberal is a liberal, is a liberal.
LOL! Uh, no, liberalism in the 18th century bore no resemblance to modern American liberalism. You are smoking something if you think James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson, and George Washington would be liberals in our day. They would view you and your fellow liberals as sick, immoral, and ignorant Jacobin radicals.
Our founders would be proud of today’s liberals ....they have the same values
They would be appalled at American Conservatism
Yeah, this OP is just hilarious. You hate to make fun of anyone, but . . . my goodness . . . to even think about comparing the founding fathers to modern American liberals shows a profound ignorance of American history.
To believe that conservatives had any role in the founding of our country is shows profound ignorance of American historyThe first shots of the Revolutionary War was when the government came to confiscate guns of citizens, Dufus. So we shot them.A liberal is a liberal, is a liberal.Indeed, but the classical liberalism they fostered had nothing in common philosophically with you term-absconding modern-day Bolsheviks.
LOL! Uh, no, liberalism in the 18th century bore no resemblance to modern American liberalism. You are smoking something if you think James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson, and George Washington would be liberals in our day. They would view you and your fellow liberals as sick, immoral, and ignorant Jacobin radicals.
Our founders would be proud of today’s liberals ....they have the same values
They would be appalled at American Conservatism
Yeah, this OP is just hilarious. You hate to make fun of anyone, but . . . my goodness . . . to even think about comparing the founding fathers to modern American liberals shows a profound ignorance of American history.
Wearing $69 Vans shoes.The right believes in sticking children in cagesThe Left believe their physically assaulting children is just as brave as the Minutemen standing facing the most powerful and well trained Army in the world.The first shots of the Revolutionary War was when the government came to confiscate guns of citizens, Dufus. So we shot them.LOL! Uh, no, liberalism in the 18th century bore no resemblance to modern American liberalism. You are smoking something if you think James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson, and George Washington would be liberals in our day. They would view you and your fellow liberals as sick, immoral, and ignorant Jacobin radicals.
Our founders would be proud of today’s liberals ....they have the same values
They would be appalled at American Conservatism
Yeah, this OP is just hilarious. You hate to make fun of anyone, but . . . my goodness . . . to even think about comparing the founding fathers to modern American liberals shows a profound ignorance of American history.
The right believes in sticking children in cagesThe Left believe their physically assaulting children is just as brave as the Minutemen standing facing the most powerful and well trained Army in the world.The first shots of the Revolutionary War was when the government came to confiscate guns of citizens, Dufus. So we shot them.LOL! Uh, no, liberalism in the 18th century bore no resemblance to modern American liberalism. You are smoking something if you think James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson, and George Washington would be liberals in our day. They would view you and your fellow liberals as sick, immoral, and ignorant Jacobin radicals.
Our founders would be proud of today’s liberals ....they have the same values
They would be appalled at American Conservatism
Yeah, this OP is just hilarious. You hate to make fun of anyone, but . . . my goodness . . . to even think about comparing the founding fathers to modern American liberals shows a profound ignorance of American history.
Sue them or get the laws changedYou clearly do not understand the Article or its component parts.Are you insane tonight, OK?
Taxing and Spending Clause - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxing_and_Spending_Clause
The Taxing and Spending Clause (which contains provisions known as the General Welfare Clause) and the Uniformity Clause, Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 of the United States Constitution, grants the federal government of the United States its power of taxation.
Its funny how lefties, when they talk about "general welfare clause" conveniently forget the "common defense" part of the clause. Even funnier that they think that whatever Constitution means to them is exactly what it means to everyone. They always point how Constitution is written so long ago. So what? We go by the definitions of the words contained in the text based on the time when is written. You can't just change the definition to mean whatever you want it to means so you get some imaginary constitutional authority.
When they talk about "general welfare" they're implying that it means "welfare". "Welfare" was a system of payments towards low income people stemming from a great depression, and "general welfare" would be not just low income people but all Americans, therefore we have the power in the privilege to do whatever it is we want to do on behalf of all people, not just some.
This idea that government can always do whatever if feels is best for the greater good is something held by left wing dictators, socialist and communists. Now please explain how it makes sense that the federal government would outline 18 very specific powers they have, but then also say “oh...by the way, the general welfare clause overrides everything and gives us unlimited powers to do whatever we (leftists) want”...?
No one has ever said EXCEPT YOU that the government can always do whatever it feels.
Show us anyone of signficance in our American mainstream who has said that and I will show you a fool.
Huh?
Both of you, rightwinger and you are citing "general welfare clause" as government power that lefties use to push for their programs.
Sorry, neither one of you are of any significance, so lets give you few examples. I'm sure you can check the quotes below by googling.
Under FDR's threats to pack the courts in 1937, Supreme Court would find the Social Security Act constitutional, as a function of general welfare.
Or more recent, when Steny Hoyer was asked where Congress gets the authority to force Americans to buy health insurance, Congressmen said: "Well, in promoting the general welfare the Constitution obviously gives broad authority to Congress to effect that end. The end that we’re trying to effect is to make health care affordable, so I think clearly this is within our constitutional responsibility.”
Or when the same question was addressed to Pelosi, her answer was "Are you serious?"
Just like you now, can't reply to my question, but demand from me to answer yours. And I did, now is your turn, the same request: cite the text that of the Constitution that directs the Federal government to feed citizen A at the expense of citizen B. Go!
Social Security has withstood court challenges for 80 years. So have Medicare, Welfare Programs and even Obamacare
Your limited views of government responsibilities are not supported by the courts
It's true that these programs have withstood court challenges. Doesn't mean the court is right. They are wrong.
What you are showing is that your limited intellectual capability isn't enough to determine for yourself if those programs are constitutional. That's why you have default back to "Some court said it was ok.... so...."
The right believes in sticking children in cagesThe Left believe their physically assaulting children is just as brave as the Minutemen standing facing the most powerful and well trained Army in the world.The first shots of the Revolutionary War was when the government came to confiscate guns of citizens, Dufus. So we shot them.Our founders would be proud of today’s liberals ....they have the same values
They would be appalled at American Conservatism
Yeah, this OP is just hilarious. You hate to make fun of anyone, but . . . my goodness . . . to even think about comparing the founding fathers to modern American liberals shows a profound ignorance of American history.
Obama also stuck children in cages. Trump is the one who stopped it. Sheesh, how detached from reality can you get?
Here are some shoes kid....Wearing $69 Vans shoes.The right believes in sticking children in cagesThe Left believe their physically assaulting children is just as brave as the Minutemen standing facing the most powerful and well trained Army in the world.The first shots of the Revolutionary War was when the government came to confiscate guns of citizens, Dufus. So we shot them.Our founders would be proud of today’s liberals ....they have the same values
They would be appalled at American Conservatism
Yeah, this OP is just hilarious. You hate to make fun of anyone, but . . . my goodness . . . to even think about comparing the founding fathers to modern American liberals shows a profound ignorance of American history.
To believe that conservatives had any role in the founding of our country is shows profound ignorance of American historyThe first shots of the Revolutionary War was when the government came to confiscate guns of citizens, Dufus. So we shot them.A liberal is a liberal, is a liberal.
LOL! Uh, no, liberalism in the 18th century bore no resemblance to modern American liberalism. You are smoking something if you think James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson, and George Washington would be liberals in our day. They would view you and your fellow liberals as sick, immoral, and ignorant Jacobin radicals.
Our founders would be proud of today’s liberals ....they have the same values
They would be appalled at American Conservatism
Yeah, this OP is just hilarious. You hate to make fun of anyone, but . . . my goodness . . . to even think about comparing the founding fathers to modern American liberals shows a profound ignorance of American history.
To believe that conservatives had any role in the founding of our country is shows profound ignorance of American historyThe first shots of the Revolutionary War was when the government came to confiscate guns of citizens, Dufus. So we shot them.A liberal is a liberal, is a liberal.
LOL! Uh, no, liberalism in the 18th century bore no resemblance to modern American liberalism. You are smoking something if you think James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson, and George Washington would be liberals in our day. They would view you and your fellow liberals as sick, immoral, and ignorant Jacobin radicals.
Our founders would be proud of today’s liberals ....they have the same values
They would be appalled at American Conservatism
Yeah, this OP is just hilarious. You hate to make fun of anyone, but . . . my goodness . . . to even think about comparing the founding fathers to modern American liberals shows a profound ignorance of American history.
The right believes in sticking children in cagesThe Left believe their physically assaulting children is just as brave as the Minutemen standing facing the most powerful and well trained Army in the world.The first shots of the Revolutionary War was when the government came to confiscate guns of citizens, Dufus. So we shot them.
Yeah, this OP is just hilarious. You hate to make fun of anyone, but . . . my goodness . . . to even think about comparing the founding fathers to modern American liberals shows a profound ignorance of American history.
Obama also stuck children in cages. Trump is the one who stopped it. Sheesh, how detached from reality can you get?
Obama did it when parents committed crimes of drug smuggling or other serious crimes. Trump is doing it for trespassing
Wow....you totally missed out on historyTo believe that conservatives had any role in the founding of our country is shows profound ignorance of American historyThe first shots of the Revolutionary War was when the government came to confiscate guns of citizens, Dufus. So we shot them.LOL! Uh, no, liberalism in the 18th century bore no resemblance to modern American liberalism. You are smoking something if you think James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson, and George Washington would be liberals in our day. They would view you and your fellow liberals as sick, immoral, and ignorant Jacobin radicals.
Our founders would be proud of today’s liberals ....they have the same values
They would be appalled at American Conservatism
Yeah, this OP is just hilarious. You hate to make fun of anyone, but . . . my goodness . . . to even think about comparing the founding fathers to modern American liberals shows a profound ignorance of American history.
The only issue on which the founding fathers were "liberal" was British control of the Colonies. On tax policy, morality laws, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, federalism, commerce, government operations, gun rights, business regulation, etc., etc., they were as conservative as most ardent British Tories were, if not more so.
Yes.... that is the way it worksThe right believes in sticking children in cagesThe Left believe their physically assaulting children is just as brave as the Minutemen standing facing the most powerful and well trained Army in the world.Yeah, this OP is just hilarious. You hate to make fun of anyone, but . . . my goodness . . . to even think about comparing the founding fathers to modern American liberals shows a profound ignorance of American history.
Obama also stuck children in cages. Trump is the one who stopped it. Sheesh, how detached from reality can you get?
Obama did it when parents committed crimes of drug smuggling or other serious crimes. Trump is doing it for trespassing
Oh, so separating illegal kids from their illegal parents is okay if the parents have committed a non-violent crime? Again, Trump is the one who stopped all family separation. But you guys are so crazed with partisan hatred that you can't give him any credit for it.
And I repeat the point that the only issue on which the founding fathers were "liberal" was British control over the Colonies. James Madison vetoed a bill that would have allowed the federal government to engage in public works projects. On issues such as tax policy, business regulation, morality laws, commerce, federalism, gun rights, religious freedom, freedom of the press, law and order, property rights, etc., the founders were every bit as conservative as most British Tories were, if not more so on some issues.
Why do Conservatives continuallly regurgitate nonsense like.......Liberals don’t believe in freedom?The liberalism of the Founding Fathers was exactly the opposite of the kind you have been brainwashed with. They believed in freedom. You don't. Notice that freedom was the main goal of the Founding Fathers, and you don't even mention it. They certainly didn't give a fuck about the common people voting. In fact they greatly feared it.Our founding fathers were the most liberal thinkers of their era
Imagine believing that all men were created equal, that royalty were no better than anyone else, that common people should vote
Conservatives supported the King ....that is where the power was
Our liberal founding fathers risked all to create a new nation
It shows how limited your intelligence is
Because it's true. Today's Liberals, are the ideology of anti-freedom. It's a fact.
You support every aspect of regulation, do you not? What is regulation? It's restriction on freedom.
You support taking away a private citizens ability to defend themselves from criminals. That's a restriction on freedom.
You support taking away free speech. That's why you have safe spaces, and concepts like Micro-agression.
Which group came up with the 'hush-rush' law? Left-wingers.
Leftwingers define freedom to mean the ability to get an abortion and the right to vote, and nothing else. That's why they don't have a problem with countries like Venezuela. They actually believe that Venezuela is a free country.
All of these and many more, are examples of the left-wing opposing freedom. Like saying a bakery can't choose who they cater to. That's an opposition to freedom.
That's interesting, mike.To believe that conservatives had any role in the founding of our country is shows profound ignorance of American historyThe first shots of the Revolutionary War was when the government came to confiscate guns of citizens, Dufus. So we shot them.LOL! Uh, no, liberalism in the 18th century bore no resemblance to modern American liberalism. You are smoking something if you think James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson, and George Washington would be liberals in our day. They would view you and your fellow liberals as sick, immoral, and ignorant Jacobin radicals.
Our founders would be proud of today’s liberals ....they have the same values
They would be appalled at American Conservatism
Yeah, this OP is just hilarious. You hate to make fun of anyone, but . . . my goodness . . . to even think about comparing the founding fathers to modern American liberals shows a profound ignorance of American history.
The only issue on which the founding fathers were "liberal" was British control of the Colonies. On tax policy, morality laws, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, federalism, commerce, government operations, gun rights, business regulation, etc., etc., they were as conservative as most ardent British Tories were, if not more so.
They were the liberals of their timeTo think of comparing and judging the Founders with today's conservatives and liberals is just silly.
However, today's far right and alt right Americans are, in fact, politically anti-freedom.
Proof: just read USMB daily.
We take children away from people who are accused of nothing more than posession of marijuana or cheating on their income taxes. Don't give us this "violent criminals" bullshit. Herr Mewler has got Paul Manafort in solitary confinement right now, and what violent crime did he commit? He hasn't even been convicted of a crime. All you douchebag snowflakes are hooting for him to get locked away for the rest of his life. Is that your idea of "the punishment meeting the crime?"Yes.... that is the way it worksThe right believes in sticking children in cagesThe Left believe their physically assaulting children is just as brave as the Minutemen standing facing the most powerful and well trained Army in the world.
Obama also stuck children in cages. Trump is the one who stopped it. Sheesh, how detached from reality can you get?
Obama did it when parents committed crimes of drug smuggling or other serious crimes. Trump is doing it for trespassing
Oh, so separating illegal kids from their illegal parents is okay if the parents have committed a non-violent crime? Again, Trump is the one who stopped all family separation. But you guys are so crazed with partisan hatred that you can't give him any credit for it.
And I repeat the point that the only issue on which the founding fathers were "liberal" was British control over the Colonies. James Madison vetoed a bill that would have allowed the federal government to engage in public works projects. On issues such as tax policy, business regulation, morality laws, commerce, federalism, gun rights, religious freedom, freedom of the press, law and order, property rights, etc., the founders were every bit as conservative as most British Tories were, if not more so on some issues.
We have always believed in the basic principle of the punishment meeting the crime
Taking children away from a violent criminal is warranted
Taking children away from someone accused of trespassing is cruel and unwarranted
In other words, their beliefs were totally different from yours.They were the liberals of their timeTo think of comparing and judging the Founders with today's conservatives and liberals is just silly.
However, today's far right and alt right Americans are, in fact, politically anti-freedom.
Proof: just read USMB daily.
Just like today’s liberals are the liberals of our time
