Oregon said Obama stay away..so guess who's coming to Roseburg?

[Papageorgio]

On what reasonable cause do they have to do a search and seizure?

Illegal possession of firearms.

So only suspected gang members they would search? I think you have a potential Constitutional issue. Would these gang members be white, well dressed and anywhere in the city? Police would search only on the basis of black people in only certain neighborhoods in the city. They could also stop black motorists and search their cars.

Racial profiling? Unconstitutional.

Tough shit.

But wont the liberals be screaming about a violation of rights and if a white cop kills a black kid while trying to confiscate his gun. All liberal hell would break loose.

Liberals want a solution as long as it violates everyone's rights.

Happens all the time lol.

OP- The far RW as always a snarling, hateful disgrace...

Do you not tire of being a hater dupe? you are a disgrace all liberals everywhere.

 

[Papageorgio]

Agreed. If he makes a speech without one hint of politics or agenda, I'll say he did the right thing. But let's face it, this is the most party-first, country-second President we've ever had in our lifetime. In the past, Democrats have turned funerals into political rallies. These are people that have absolutely no integrity, and this is what that town is expecting. So am I.

The very same can easily be said about RW Republican conservatives and the entire GOP. Don't be such a hypocrite.

And you don't know what the town is expecting, so don't speak for people you don't know and don't know what they think. What a complete jackass to try to speak for an entire town, especially where you have never set foot. I grew up in Oregon. I have been to Roseburg. I spent years at university in southern Oregon. Based on my knowledge of the area and town, it is likely, as it is in pretty much every town and city and region of our country, that people will be pleased to have the President of the US come to their town and speak when a tragedy hits them. So, you are just showing what an ass you are to assume that they would not welcome him. Don't people like you know how to think at all????

Roseburg isn't pleased. Like all the rest of rural Oregon, they despise Obama, and progressives.

A nitwit on a forum speaks for the whole town.

It's obvious you don't understand the state politics in Oregon.

And you do? I guess when the state votes Democrat for several years in a row, the opinion of one rwnj doesn't amount to much.

Yep, there are two very separate political ideologies based on geographic locations. The Willamette Valley has the majority of the states population and is very liberal. The east side of the Cascades in both Oregon and Washington have a huge difference in politics. Just a fact of life.


La Grande man calling for secession to Idaho

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Ah, there's something wrong with you. Now I get it.

"Wrong" is in the eye of the beholder and it seems the majority of voters agree with me. You are the epitome of "wrongness."We won twice. Care to comment.... go on, make my day!

*Winning* doesn't make you right, I'm afraid.

Nazis *won* too. At first.

And just who made YOU the arbiter of what is right or wrong in the political arena? If the majority of Americans decided Obama was their "man" who are you to dispute that? You are nobody...nothing but part of the minority of republican blue collar groupies who can't stand it that a mulatto democrat is in the White House. BTW, in this case "winning"does make me right.

Obama's not a supreme being. No, winning does not make you, or him, right, if you're just talking about votes.

The 67 percent majority in the town of Roseburg have resoundingly and repeatedly rejected Obama... and have SPECIFICALLY rejected his gun grabbing progressive policies. Which is why the area is so incredibly steamed over his inappropriate and unwarranted comment about using their kids to advertise for the disarming of Americans. THEY believe that their kids wouldn't be dead if it wasn't for anti-gun nonsense. Using your reasoning, they are in the majority in their voting demographic, so they must be right.

One could even argue that a DEMOCRAT school president put the illegal gun ban in place in order to PUT Republican kids at risk.

Are you introducing race into the discussion? If so that's evidence that you have run out of material.

Dispense with projections. No one is saying Obama is a supreme being. He is the US president, though, and as long as he holds that office he is due the respect that comes with it.
You and many others aren't going to respect the US president and many of you seem to love Putin the communist more than your own duly elected Christian leader.

ANTI-GUN? Obama has not said anything to make anyone believe he is ant-gun. He is for stricter control over who can buy guns legally. I do disagree with him on that point because guns are still going to be made and sold illegally to people who know how to circmvent the law. Obama is not trying to abrogate the 2nd amendment and take guns away...not even from nut jobs who already own them. They just won't be able to add to their already impressive arsenals if Obama get's his way. Responsible citizens will still be able to buy unlimited quantities but not those who don't pass the background checks. The latter mental cases will just be stuck with the ten or so weapons they already have.

First off is that respect is not given--respect is earned, and DumBama has not earned any respect simply because he became President.

Secondly you say that Obama is not anti-gun. In his address to the nation on this school shooting, he pointed to two of our allies (Australia and Great Britain) and doted on their success with firearms in their countries. Okay, so what was the key to their supposed success? They confiscated guns from all of their citizens.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What a pig.

Roseburg doesn't want him there, asked him to stay away, has been quite public about it.

So of course he's got to come and harass us on our own turf.

This isn't going to end well.


Obama Not Welcome In Roseburg, Says Local Newspaper Publisher


"President Obama will travel to Roseburg, Ore. on Friday to meet with the families of victims of the mass shooting at a community college there last week, White House officials said."

Obama to visit Roseburg Friday

He's the President of United States.

STFUO.

Respect the office and respect the constitution.

When Obama starts to 'respect the office' let me know

-Geaux

That is a stupid statement with no basis in reality. Obama is one of the best presidents average Americans have ever had. 2 terms in your face, racist bahs-turd!

If he's one of the best Presidents the average American ever had, why is it the average American is making less today than before DumBama took office?

 

[Ernie S.]

What a pig.

Roseburg doesn't want him there, asked him to stay away, has been quite public about it.

So of course he's got to come and harass us on our own turf.

This isn't going to end well.


Obama Not Welcome In Roseburg, Says Local Newspaper Publisher


"President Obama will travel to Roseburg, Ore. on Friday to meet with the families of victims of the mass shooting at a community college there last week, White House officials said."

Obama to visit Roseburg Friday

He's the President of United States.

STFUO.

Respect the office and respect the constitution.

We all respect the office and the Constitution. It's the man in the office that we can't stomach.

A man with higher moral character than you have displayed hereabouts? I'd support Obama any day over someone like YOU or most of the republican candidates vying for the presidency today.

I'll take that as an endorsement from sane folk. Thanks.

That and a dime won't get you a cup of coffee.

Probably not, but the cup of coffee would beat you by 50 IQ points.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Oregon has a Democratic governor, 2 Democratic Senators, and 4 out of 5 Democrats in the House.

Oregon does not hate Obama. The usual ODS suspects in Oregon hate Obama.

And the one Republican that is in the Oregon House is in the district that voted overwhelmingly for Romney in 2012. Which is where Roseburg is located.

Love how you omit.

New York City didn't vote for GW Bush. Did you bitch when he went to ground zero after 9/11?

The terrorist attack wasn't just for NYC, it was for the entire country. Big difference.

 

[Papageorgio]

Oregon has a Democratic governor, 2 Democratic Senators, and 4 out of 5 Democrats in the House.

Oregon does not hate Obama. The usual ODS suspects in Oregon hate Obama.

And the one Republican that is in the Oregon House is in the district that voted overwhelmingly for Romney in 2012. Which is where Roseburg is located.

Love how you omit.

New York City didn't vote for GW Bush. Did you bitch when he went to ground zero after 9/11?

The terrorist attack wasn't just for NYC, it was for the entire country. Big difference.

Forgive NY, connecting the dots is not his strong point.

 

[Mertex]

The very same can easily be said about RW Republican conservatives and the entire GOP. Don't be such a hypocrite.

And you don't know what the town is expecting, so don't speak for people you don't know and don't know what they think. What a complete jackass to try to speak for an entire town, especially where you have never set foot. I grew up in Oregon. I have been to Roseburg. I spent years at university in southern Oregon. Based on my knowledge of the area and town, it is likely, as it is in pretty much every town and city and region of our country, that people will be pleased to have the President of the US come to their town and speak when a tragedy hits them. So, you are just showing what an ass you are to assume that they would not welcome him. Don't people like you know how to think at all????

Roseburg isn't pleased. Like all the rest of rural Oregon, they despise Obama, and progressives.

A nitwit on a forum speaks for the whole town.

It's obvious you don't understand the state politics in Oregon.

And you do? I guess when the state votes Democrat for several years in a row, the opinion of one rwnj doesn't amount to much.

Yep, there are two very separate political ideologies based on geographic locations. The Willamette Valley has the majority of the states population and is very liberal. The east side of the Cascades in both Oregon and Washington have a huge difference in politics. Just a fact of life.


La Grande man calling for secession to Idaho

It seems to me that the victim's loved ones are the ones that have the say-so here.......not some right-wing publisher....and, if they don't want to meet with the President, I'm sure he's not going to force himself on them. So, the publisher's opinion doesn't matter, neither does this thread.

 

[Papageorgio]

Roseburg isn't pleased. Like all the rest of rural Oregon, they despise Obama, and progressives.

A nitwit on a forum speaks for the whole town.

It's obvious you don't understand the state politics in Oregon.

And you do? I guess when the state votes Democrat for several years in a row, the opinion of one rwnj doesn't amount to much.

Yep, there are two very separate political ideologies based on geographic locations. The Willamette Valley has the majority of the states population and is very liberal. The east side of the Cascades in both Oregon and Washington have a huge difference in politics. Just a fact of life.


La Grande man calling for secession to Idaho

It seems to me that the victim's loved ones are the ones that have the say-so here.......not some right-wing publisher....and, if they don't want to meet with the President, I'm sure he's not going to force himself on them. So, the publisher's opinion doesn't matter, neither does this thread.

If no one's opinion matters then why do you thrust in your worthless opinion?

Obama is going to politicize this and that is his choice. The families can do what they want that is their choice.

The city made up of mainly conservatives will respect him and his visit because that town has always been classy.

 

[Mertex]

A nitwit on a forum speaks for the whole town.

It's obvious you don't understand the state politics in Oregon.

And you do? I guess when the state votes Democrat for several years in a row, the opinion of one rwnj doesn't amount to much.

Yep, there are two very separate political ideologies based on geographic locations. The Willamette Valley has the majority of the states population and is very liberal. The east side of the Cascades in both Oregon and Washington have a huge difference in politics. Just a fact of life.


La Grande man calling for secession to Idaho

It seems to me that the victim's loved ones are the ones that have the say-so here.......not some right-wing publisher....and, if they don't want to meet with the President, I'm sure he's not going to force himself on them. So, the publisher's opinion doesn't matter, neither does this thread.

If no one's opinion matters then why do you thrust in your worthless opinion?

I think you misunderstood my statement. I didn't say that no one's opinion matters....read my comment again. I said the publisher's opinion doesn't matter, and based on the OP, in this particular case.

Obama is going to politicize this and that is his choice. The families can do what they want that is their choice.

Obama is the President, whether you and other conservatives like it or not. That's what a President does, visit with the victims. I don't think conservatives considered it "politicizing" when Bush met with Katrina victims......in spite of the fact that he had literally abandoned them when they needed him the most.

The city made up of mainly conservatives will respect him and his visit because that town has always been classy.

We'll have to wait until Friday to find out.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

It's obvious you don't understand the state politics in Oregon.

And you do? I guess when the state votes Democrat for several years in a row, the opinion of one rwnj doesn't amount to much.

Yep, there are two very separate political ideologies based on geographic locations. The Willamette Valley has the majority of the states population and is very liberal. The east side of the Cascades in both Oregon and Washington have a huge difference in politics. Just a fact of life.


La Grande man calling for secession to Idaho

It seems to me that the victim's loved ones are the ones that have the say-so here.......not some right-wing publisher....and, if they don't want to meet with the President, I'm sure he's not going to force himself on them. So, the publisher's opinion doesn't matter, neither does this thread.

If no one's opinion matters then why do you thrust in your worthless opinion?

I think you misunderstood my statement. I didn't say that no one's opinion matters....read my comment again. I said the publisher's opinion doesn't matter, and based on the OP, in this particular case.

Obama is going to politicize this and that is his choice. The families can do what they want that is their choice.

Obama is the President, whether you and other conservatives like it or not. That's what a President does, visit with the victims. I don't think conservatives considered it "politicizing" when Bush met with Katrina victims......in spite of the fact that he had literally abandoned them when they needed him the most.

The city made up of mainly conservatives will respect him and his visit because that town has always been classy.

We'll have to wait until Friday to find out.

Which is another left-wing lie that no lib ever looked into.

But if you want to challenge me, I have video and news reports that the Governor refused help by Bush and never asked for it in the first place. The President can't invade a state simply because he thinks it's the right thing to do. He needs the request of the Governor in order to provide help.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

A nitwit on a forum speaks for the whole town.

It's obvious you don't understand the state politics in Oregon.

And you do? I guess when the state votes Democrat for several years in a row, the opinion of one rwnj doesn't amount to much.

Yep, there are two very separate political ideologies based on geographic locations. The Willamette Valley has the majority of the states population and is very liberal. The east side of the Cascades in both Oregon and Washington have a huge difference in politics. Just a fact of life.


La Grande man calling for secession to Idaho

It seems to me that the victim's loved ones are the ones that have the say-so here.......not some right-wing publisher....and, if they don't want to meet with the President, I'm sure he's not going to force himself on them. So, the publisher's opinion doesn't matter, neither does this thread.

If no one's opinion matters then why do you thrust in your worthless opinion?

Obama is going to politicize this and that is his choice. The families can do what they want that is their choice.

The city made up of mainly conservatives will respect him and his visit because that town has always been classy.

DumBama probably would have politicized it, but I think he will show some restraint given the circumstance. However........ that doesn't mean he won't politicize it once he gets back to Washington.

 

[Mertex]

It's obvious you don't understand the state politics in Oregon.

And you do? I guess when the state votes Democrat for several years in a row, the opinion of one rwnj doesn't amount to much.

Yep, there are two very separate political ideologies based on geographic locations. The Willamette Valley has the majority of the states population and is very liberal. The east side of the Cascades in both Oregon and Washington have a huge difference in politics. Just a fact of life.


La Grande man calling for secession to Idaho

It seems to me that the victim's loved ones are the ones that have the say-so here.......not some right-wing publisher....and, if they don't want to meet with the President, I'm sure he's not going to force himself on them. So, the publisher's opinion doesn't matter, neither does this thread.

If no one's opinion matters then why do you thrust in your worthless opinion?

Obama is going to politicize this and that is his choice. The families can do what they want that is their choice.

The city made up of mainly conservatives will respect him and his visit because that town has always been classy.

DumBama probably would have politicized it, but I think he will show some restraint given the circumstance. However........ that doesn't mean he won't politicize it once he gets back to Washington.

If you mean bringing up the gun control issue back out.......that's fine, it needs to be brought out. Over and over again, until conservatives understand that because he supports stricter gun controls it doesn't mean he's coming to every gun owner's home to take away their guns. Silly.....wonder where they get that idea.

 

[Papageorgio]

And you do? I guess when the state votes Democrat for several years in a row, the opinion of one rwnj doesn't amount to much.

Yep, there are two very separate political ideologies based on geographic locations. The Willamette Valley has the majority of the states population and is very liberal. The east side of the Cascades in both Oregon and Washington have a huge difference in politics. Just a fact of life.


La Grande man calling for secession to Idaho

It seems to me that the victim's loved ones are the ones that have the say-so here.......not some right-wing publisher....and, if they don't want to meet with the President, I'm sure he's not going to force himself on them. So, the publisher's opinion doesn't matter, neither does this thread.

If no one's opinion matters then why do you thrust in your worthless opinion?

Obama is going to politicize this and that is his choice. The families can do what they want that is their choice.

The city made up of mainly conservatives will respect him and his visit because that town has always been classy.

DumBama probably would have politicized it, but I think he will show some restraint given the circumstance. However........ that doesn't mean he won't politicize it once he gets back to Washington.

If you mean bringing up the gun control issue back out.......that's fine, it needs to be brought out. Over and over again, until conservatives understand that because he supports stricter gun controls it doesn't mean he's coming to every gun owner's home to take away their guns. Silly.....wonder where they get that idea.

Your opinion doesn't matter, did you forget already?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And you do? I guess when the state votes Democrat for several years in a row, the opinion of one rwnj doesn't amount to much.

Yep, there are two very separate political ideologies based on geographic locations. The Willamette Valley has the majority of the states population and is very liberal. The east side of the Cascades in both Oregon and Washington have a huge difference in politics. Just a fact of life.


La Grande man calling for secession to Idaho

It seems to me that the victim's loved ones are the ones that have the say-so here.......not some right-wing publisher....and, if they don't want to meet with the President, I'm sure he's not going to force himself on them. So, the publisher's opinion doesn't matter, neither does this thread.

If no one's opinion matters then why do you thrust in your worthless opinion?

Obama is going to politicize this and that is his choice. The families can do what they want that is their choice.

The city made up of mainly conservatives will respect him and his visit because that town has always been classy.

DumBama probably would have politicized it, but I think he will show some restraint given the circumstance. However........ that doesn't mean he won't politicize it once he gets back to Washington.

If you mean bringing up the gun control issue back out.......that's fine, it needs to be brought out. Over and over again, until conservatives understand that because he supports stricter gun controls it doesn't mean he's coming to every gun owner's home to take away their guns. Silly.....wonder where they get that idea.

Maybe from DumBama himself.

Read my post 1083 to explain it.

 

[Mertex]

And you do? I guess when the state votes Democrat for several years in a row, the opinion of one rwnj doesn't amount to much.

Yep, there are two very separate political ideologies based on geographic locations. The Willamette Valley has the majority of the states population and is very liberal. The east side of the Cascades in both Oregon and Washington have a huge difference in politics. Just a fact of life.


La Grande man calling for secession to Idaho

It seems to me that the victim's loved ones are the ones that have the say-so here.......not some right-wing publisher....and, if they don't want to meet with the President, I'm sure he's not going to force himself on them. So, the publisher's opinion doesn't matter, neither does this thread.

If no one's opinion matters then why do you thrust in your worthless opinion?

I think you misunderstood my statement. I didn't say that no one's opinion matters....read my comment again. I said the publisher's opinion doesn't matter, and based on the OP, in this particular case.

Obama is going to politicize this and that is his choice. The families can do what they want that is their choice.

Obama is the President, whether you and other conservatives like it or not. That's what a President does, visit with the victims. I don't think conservatives considered it "politicizing" when Bush met with Katrina victims......in spite of the fact that he had literally abandoned them when they needed him the most.

The city made up of mainly conservatives will respect him and his visit because that town has always been classy.

We'll have to wait until Friday to find out.

Which is another left-wing lie that no lib ever looked into.

But if you want to challenge me, I have video and news reports that the Governor refused help by Bush and never asked for it in the first place. The President can't invade a state simply because he thinks it's the right thing to do. He needs the request of the Governor in order to provide help.

Sure you do........it must be from Faux News and Briebart or some other conservative rag. I also have news reports also that claim even a Republican investigation put most of the blame on Bush.....did they lie?

Even "You did a great job Brownie" didn't mince words about Bush's actions.



5. An investigation by Congressional Republicans, while placing most of the blame on the Bush administration,


3. FEMA Director Michael Brown, who resigned over his handling of the response, later told a group of students that the White House only wanted to federalize the response in Louisiana, where the governor was a Democrat, and not in Republican-led Mississippi in order to embarrass Louisiana officials. Brown said the White House believed they had a chance to “rub [Kathleen Blanco’s] nose in it.” The Bush administration denied political considerations played a role in the response.





Read more: 10 facts about the Katrina response

Read more: 10 facts about the Katrina response
10 facts about the Katrina response

 

[Mertex]

Yep, there are two very separate political ideologies based on geographic locations. The Willamette Valley has the majority of the states population and is very liberal. The east side of the Cascades in both Oregon and Washington have a huge difference in politics. Just a fact of life.


La Grande man calling for secession to Idaho

It seems to me that the victim's loved ones are the ones that have the say-so here.......not some right-wing publisher....and, if they don't want to meet with the President, I'm sure he's not going to force himself on them. So, the publisher's opinion doesn't matter, neither does this thread.

If no one's opinion matters then why do you thrust in your worthless opinion?

Obama is going to politicize this and that is his choice. The families can do what they want that is their choice.

The city made up of mainly conservatives will respect him and his visit because that town has always been classy.

DumBama probably would have politicized it, but I think he will show some restraint given the circumstance. However........ that doesn't mean he won't politicize it once he gets back to Washington.

If you mean bringing up the gun control issue back out.......that's fine, it needs to be brought out. Over and over again, until conservatives understand that because he supports stricter gun controls it doesn't mean he's coming to every gun owner's home to take away their guns. Silly.....wonder where they get that idea.

Your opinion doesn't matter, did you forget already?

You're making a lot of sense....... as usual........

I guess you didn't read my response where I explained my previous comment.......or you just didn't understand it, which is probably the case.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

It sounds like Roseburg is a conservative district in Oregon, that believes in the 2nd amendment. So he's probably not welcome there.

Instead of promoting school and campus security--and taking taking down those dam "Gun Free Zone" signs that advertise to nut-cases--Obama again goes after GUNS. He's not going to win this argument. No matter how many guns he thinks he can confiscate--there's always going to be a way to get another, and it's NOT going to stop mass slaughter of innocents.

These nut-cases are COWARDS and they always seek the least path of resistance which are "gun free zones." The last thing these cowards want are people shooting back at them.

Sounds like they're brainwashed bigots/haters who don't understand democracy and civility.

No background check loopholes and mental health limits on guns could definitely cut down on these crazies, dupe.

Bigots and haters, you truly are retarded. You know what democracy is? It's not the United States of America, we have a republic. And within that republic we have a right to bear arms and will do so. We have background checks you moron. Go try to buy something at a gun show and you will be passing a background check.

The brainwashed idiot is you because you refuse to even look into what you spout off about like a loud mouthed retard.

Wiki- Gun show loophole. "Generally, gun control advocates want to extend background check requirements to private sellers.[tone] Gun rights advocates say there is no loophole, and believe any federal law requiring background checks for sales of secondary market firearms between private citizens, whether at gun shows or not, would exceed the government's authority, be a prelude to gun registration, and endanger Second Amendment rights.[6][7][8][needs copy edit] Seven gun show loophole bills were introduced in the U.S. House and four in the Senate between 2001 and 2013, but none passed."

Wrong again, dupe.

And if you ever went to a gun show you would know they are 99% dealers and you will get a background check in order to buy. No loop hole law will ever pass. It's a single transaction for one gun between private citizens. Has nothing to do with gun shows.

Sure. LOL. In New BS GOP Dupe World.

Actually the only loop hole that exists is the one in liberal heads like yours. You've never been to a gun show, you've never purchased a weapon and you've never even looked into it. It's more stupid shit from you left wing retards talking out your ass. If you want to win a gun argument it would be beneficial to actually know what the fuck you're talking about. Otherwise you make a bunch of noise like you are and get told to fuck off because you're an idiot. There will be no new gun laws passed this year because we don't need any. You idiots braying doesn't change that.

 

[Papageorgio]

It seems to me that the victim's loved ones are the ones that have the say-so here.......not some right-wing publisher....and, if they don't want to meet with the President, I'm sure he's not going to force himself on them. So, the publisher's opinion doesn't matter, neither does this thread.

If no one's opinion matters then why do you thrust in your worthless opinion?

Obama is going to politicize this and that is his choice. The families can do what they want that is their choice.

The city made up of mainly conservatives will respect him and his visit because that town has always been classy.

DumBama probably would have politicized it, but I think he will show some restraint given the circumstance. However........ that doesn't mean he won't politicize it once he gets back to Washington.

If you mean bringing up the gun control issue back out.......that's fine, it needs to be brought out. Over and over again, until conservatives understand that because he supports stricter gun controls it doesn't mean he's coming to every gun owner's home to take away their guns. Silly.....wonder where they get that idea.

Your opinion doesn't matter, did you forget already?

You're making a lot of sense....... as usual........

I guess you didn't read my response where I explained my previous comment.......or you just didn't understand it, which is probably the case.

I understood it, however you previously stated that the publishers opinion didn't matter, nor did the thread, thus your opinion in this thread that doesn't matter.

 

[Mertex]

If no one's opinion matters then why do you thrust in your worthless opinion?

Obama is going to politicize this and that is his choice. The families can do what they want that is their choice.

The city made up of mainly conservatives will respect him and his visit because that town has always been classy.

DumBama probably would have politicized it, but I think he will show some restraint given the circumstance. However........ that doesn't mean he won't politicize it once he gets back to Washington.

If you mean bringing up the gun control issue back out.......that's fine, it needs to be brought out. Over and over again, until conservatives understand that because he supports stricter gun controls it doesn't mean he's coming to every gun owner's home to take away their guns. Silly.....wonder where they get that idea.

Your opinion doesn't matter, did you forget already?

You're making a lot of sense....... as usual........

I guess you didn't read my response where I explained my previous comment.......or you just didn't understand it, which is probably the case.

I understood it, however you previously stated that the publishers opinion didn't matter, nor did the thread, thus your opinion in this thread that doesn't matter.

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it.......but you're still missing the point.....no surprise!