Our President Has Done A Good Job

Have you checked the price of gas or food? The lowest labor participation rate in history. The highest number of people on welfare in history. Dow is up because worthless money is being printed.

Yeah good job.

Yes: Bush destroyed the US Dollar causing commodity prices to soar. Obama has restored faith in the US Dollar causing commodity prices to fall. Yes Food & Energy prices are going down. Remember to be thankful for $2 Gasoline this Christmas.
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Of course he did! It was the direct result of 8 years of neglecting his responsibility for government oversight.

It was an indictment of free market, anything goes Capitalism run wild. Regulations were eliminated, the SEC was de-clawed - not that Christopher Cox was minding the store anyway.

The issue has and still is decisions made by Congress and the President since the the last depression. Our country lived on bubbles and in 2008 they all popped. The issue was over spending and no saving of money, by individuals, family, business and government. We were way over extended and it all started not by one party but by both. No one in government could make the tough decisions, nor did they want to.

When you can borrow 125% of your homes value! when people started consolidating loans on cars and credit cards and so on, they didn't stop buying! they acted as if money was endless. Companies ran with the money and expanded way beyond what they could afford. Government they spent like the money was free. You can't do that without a problem coming up, all the fix would do would extend and worsen the problem.
 
Of course he did! It was the direct result of 8 years of neglecting his responsibility for government oversight.

It was an indictment of free market, anything goes Capitalism run wild. Regulations were eliminated, the SEC was de-clawed - not that Christopher Cox was minding the store anyway.

The issue has and still is decisions made by Congress and the President since the the last depression. Our country lived on bubbles and in 2008 they all popped. The issue was over spending and no saving of money, by individuals, family, business and government. We were way over extended and it all started not by one party but by both. No one in government could make the tough decisions, nor did they want to.

When you can borrow 125% of your homes value! when people started consolidating loans on cars and credit cards and so on, they didn't stop buying! they acted as if money was endless. Companies ran with the money and expanded way beyond what they could afford. Government they spent like the money was free. You can't do that without a problem coming up, all the fix would do would extend and worsen the problem.
Spending is what people had to do in a stagflation environment created by Bush. Savers got punished & borrowers got rewarded by the devalued dollars. Lower wages & job losses forced even more to live on borrowed money.

Now with Obama we have rising dollar, jobs, wages, savers & fewer borrowers. Obama crushed Bush's Stagflation.


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What has Obama done for Main Street Small Business? What has he done for The Middle Class? The lower 47 percent don't pay taxes and the 1 percent have gotten wealthier under Obama. If you are one of either of these two groups that have benefitted under Obama, great, but the small business owners and Middle Class have suffered.
 
Spending is what people had to do in a stagflation environment created by Bush. Savers got punished & borrowers got rewarded by the devalued dollars. Lower wages & job losses forced even more to live on borrowed money.

Now with Obama we have rising dollar, jobs, wages, savers & fewer borrowers. Obama crushed Bush's Stagflation.


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This was long before Bush, 125% of the mortgage was running strong in the 90's, during the dot com boom and bust.

And it goes back to the last depression. 9/11 should have been the end of the bubbles, we managed to keep it going 7 more years.

We are printing money at a record rate, this is a short term solution, people need two jobs instead of one. The left is bitching about companies holding their money, so please is corporate America spending money or saving money good or bad?

Food stamps are at record levels, job participation is at it's lowest. The government paying on disability is at an all time high.

The signs are not good, but again, Congress and the President need to make tough unpopular choices to right the economy, but none have the balls to do so, it is easier for government to do the opposite of what the rest of America is doing, which is trying to save money.
 
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No, carter allowed our ambassador to Afghanistan to be killed with no response leading to the eventual formation of the Taliban as well as the birth of Al Quieda.
seems like every President is famous for creating someone who doesnt like us....

Seems? I guess you have a Comprehension Problem, Carter's Ambassador to Afghanistan got kidnapped and murdered. That is far different than simply not being liked, but all is fair in politics, even if it involves the death of men serving our country, at least that is what I see when it comes to Harry Dresden.

Harry Dresden, you are a shameful mouse, callous, yea, everybody should join Harry Dresden and the democrats and shrug off all deaths of Americans serving our Country. Shameful you are.

Now off the top of your head, tell us what Carter's response was?

The last two Ambassadors Murdered while serving the President overseas where murdered under the Democrats, Carter and now Obama.
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geezus calm down.....im just responding to everyone saying how some group that hates us was created while this guy or that guy was President.....maybe you should learn something about how to read a post..... :wink_2:
Maybe you should learn something about Adoph Dubs.

Maybe you should learn something about people and the patriotism they have for the USA.

Maybe you should read the post you are responding to, I simply found it shameful to follow quote a post about an Amabassador being killed in a hostile country as nothing more than not being, "liked".

You follow by telling me I should, "learn"?

War is much more than, simple, "hate".

Do you not agree, Harry?
 
Is it always about Bush or Obama?

What about Congress? What about the whole fucking mess of government and all the rules and regulations in which all the PLAYERS use to their advantage.

What about the people behind the scenes.

While there is petty fighting between Bush and Obama, those who are really in power gain more power.

The Presidents are Scapegoats, we will be so happy when Obama is gone, we will forget he was just holding the torch, we will see it passed to another and say, "look at that beautiful flame on the wonderful torch".

Only thing we will see is the torch, we will not feel the fire.

We are like a frog being boiled alive.
 
Obama s ship is sinking New York Post

obama has utterly failed and everyone knows it. Even the ones who won't admit it.
He hasnt utterly failed. He still has 2 years to utter failure. Lots can and will go wrong between now and then. He will bomb some ISIS center and the next day reports will be that he bombed a kindergarten instead. Obama will then suspend bombing entirely and turn the matter to the UN, causing general hilarity.
Heck he might end up negotiating with Putin about the return of Alaska.
 
Obama took over such a massive, flaming pile of shit that we'll never really know what he would have accomplished in more normal circumstances.

The Lefties will bemoan the fact that the pile of shit he inherited stopped him from "fundamentally transforming" America into the authoritarian Euro-social democracy they so crave, the Righties will be thankful for the same thing.

Either way, we'll never know.

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Incorrect.

The Financial Crisis Facing the Facts - The Atlasphere

So you're saying Obama didn't take over a flaming pile of shit?

.

I'm saying W doesn't deserve the criticisms for making the melt down happen.

Of course, if he had resorted to Obama's patented techniques of extra-legal presidential overstepping of authority maybe Bushy could have just changed the laws himself to reign in Dodd, Frank and Raines and prevent the country from suffering this economic mess!

Hell, after all, Obama isn't the only POTUS with a telephone and a pen!

But one of the things I AM saying is that Obama actually had a hand in CAUSING the economic meltdown even though he was not yet POTUS...or even a Senator!

Another thing I'm saying is that the only thing Obama succeeded in doing is prolonging the crisis.

Just because your cab driver got you lost on the way to your destination, making you 20 minutes late for your appointment.

However, he eventually got you there safely.

And for that you are grateful.

But does the cab driver deserve praise?

No.

He got you lost and made you late for your appointment and on top of all that he wants a tip!

You pay him the meter but no tip!

And after you complain to the cab company they send you a taxi company customer relations ballot to praise your driver or complain about his service.

Just because he eventually got you there (better late than never) does not mean he deserves any special recognition.

Obama's recession lasted longer than any other recession in American history and if he'd done NOTHING AT ALL we'd have fared better, sooner than we did under his (dismal) leadership.

Finally, check out our hero here.



Now, someone please try and tell us how Obama had NOTHING to do with causing the economic crisis!

And if you want some more reasons to doubt the true state of the US economy is as great as some want you to believe, try this:

Obama s Economy



OK, first off, Dodd-Frank wasn't signed until 2010. So that part makes no sense.

Second, in your video:

"ACORN forced banks to issue risky home loans"

Really? How did they 'force' banks to do that, exactly?

While you're at it, please describe what is wrong or bad about ACORN in the first place? That video makes them sound like al Qaeda.
 
Hey @Mojo2 :

After the fact:

Bush drive for home ownership fueled housing bubble

It Was Bush Who Pushed Minority Home Buying Not Clinton

http://www.newsweek.com/so-much-bushs-ownership-society-92163


Before the fact:

Bush to push ownership society - Sep. 2 2004

USATODAY.com - Bush ties his economic policies to home ownership

Bush pushes home ownership opportunities for minorities - The Boston Globe



From the first link:

"We can put light where there's darkness, and hope where there's despondency in this country. And part of it is working together as a nation to encourage folks to own their own home."

- President George W. Bush, Oct. 15, 2002​


Eight years after arriving in Washington vowing to spread the dream of home ownership, Bush is leaving office, as he himself said recently, "faced with the prospect of a global meltdown" with roots in the housing sector he so ardently championed.

There are plenty of culprits, like lenders who peddled easy credit, consumers who took on mortgages they could not afford and Wall Street chieftains who loaded up on mortgage-backed securities without regard to the risk.

But the story of how the United States got here is partly one of Bush's own making, according to a review of his tenure that included interviews with dozens of current and former administration officials.

From his earliest days in office, Bush paired his belief that Americans do best when they own their own homes with his conviction that markets do best when left alone. Bush pushed hard to expand home ownership, especially among minority groups, an initiative that dovetailed with both his ambition to expand Republican appeal and the business interests of some of his biggest donors. But his housing policies and hands-off approach to regulation encouraged lax lending standards.

Bush did foresee the danger posed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored mortgage finance giants. The president spent years pushing a recalcitrant Congress to toughen regulation of the companies, but was unwilling to compromise when his former Treasury secretary wanted to cut a deal. And the regulator Bush chose to oversee them - an old school buddy - pronounced the companies sound even as they headed toward insolvency.

As early as 2006, top advisers to Bush dismissed warnings from people inside and outside the White House that housing prices were inflated and that a foreclosure crisis was looming. And when the economy deteriorated, Bush and his team misdiagnosed the reasons and scope of the downturn. As recently as February, for example, Bush was still calling it a "rough patch."

The result was a series of piecemeal policy prescriptions that lagged behind the escalating crisis.

"There is no question we did not recognize the severity of the problems," said Al Hubbard, Bush's former chief economic adviser, who left the White House in December 2007. "Had we, we would have attacked them."
 
Second, in your video:

"ACORN forced banks to issue risky home loans"

Really? How did they 'force' banks to do that, exactly?

While you're at it, please describe what is wrong or bad about ACORN in the first place? That video makes them sound like al Qaeda.

ACORN sued banks in court, to lower lending standards. There are lawsuit documents online, that show this, and have B. Obama listed for the prosecution.

And, there are in fact videos of Obama saying that sub-prime loans were a good idea, to help the lower class get into homes.

Clinton's administration also sued banks to make bad loans as well. There was a ton of litigation to push banks to make bad loans.

http://www.amazon.com/Financial-Crisis-Free-Market-Cure/dp/0071806776&tag=ff0d01-20

John Allison, who was an executive at BB&T bank during the 90s, describes how regulators showed up, pushing to lower lending standards, and threatening punitive action if they didn't.

This is a well known fact, to those who have researched the origins of the crash.
 
Bull shit. I'd sooner spit on him than shake his hand. I wouldn't shake his hand for 2million dollars.
That's because you aren't a real American.

Anybody that doesn't agree with you isn't a real American..................LOL

Liberal to the core..........Have your self a bowl full of who gives a rats ass what you think................

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Anybody who says they would spit on the President Of The United States is not a real American.

Not that it makes a difference, but were you defending Bush just as nobly as you do Obama when during the years 2001-2009 W was being assailed by legions of rabid Progs in blogs??
Against people saying un-American things regarding Bush? You betcha!

You can still respect the office even if you don't respect the policies. I think Bush was way under-qualified and way over his head, but I would never think of doing anything except shake his hand if I had the chance to meet him.

But I'm a real American, so . . .
Bush was more qualified and better than the idiot in office now.
 
Hey @Mojo2 :

After the fact:

Bush drive for home ownership fueled housing bubble

It Was Bush Who Pushed Minority Home Buying Not Clinton

http://www.newsweek.com/so-much-bushs-ownership-society-92163


Before the fact:

Bush to push ownership society - Sep. 2 2004

USATODAY.com - Bush ties his economic policies to home ownership

Bush pushes home ownership opportunities for minorities - The Boston Globe



From the first link:

"We can put light where there's darkness, and hope where there's despondency in this country. And part of it is working together as a nation to encourage folks to own their own home."

- President George W. Bush, Oct. 15, 2002​


Eight years after arriving in Washington vowing to spread the dream of home ownership, Bush is leaving office, as he himself said recently, "faced with the prospect of a global meltdown" with roots in the housing sector he so ardently championed.

There are plenty of culprits, like lenders who peddled easy credit, consumers who took on mortgages they could not afford and Wall Street chieftains who loaded up on mortgage-backed securities without regard to the risk.

But the story of how the United States got here is partly one of Bush's own making, according to a review of his tenure that included interviews with dozens of current and former administration officials.

From his earliest days in office, Bush paired his belief that Americans do best when they own their own homes with his conviction that markets do best when left alone. Bush pushed hard to expand home ownership, especially among minority groups, an initiative that dovetailed with both his ambition to expand Republican appeal and the business interests of some of his biggest donors. But his housing policies and hands-off approach to regulation encouraged lax lending standards.

Bush did foresee the danger posed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored mortgage finance giants. The president spent years pushing a recalcitrant Congress to toughen regulation of the companies, but was unwilling to compromise when his former Treasury secretary wanted to cut a deal. And the regulator Bush chose to oversee them - an old school buddy - pronounced the companies sound even as they headed toward insolvency.

As early as 2006, top advisers to Bush dismissed warnings from people inside and outside the White House that housing prices were inflated and that a foreclosure crisis was looming. And when the economy deteriorated, Bush and his team misdiagnosed the reasons and scope of the downturn. As recently as February, for example, Bush was still calling it a "rough patch."

The result was a series of piecemeal policy prescriptions that lagged behind the escalating crisis.

"There is no question we did not recognize the severity of the problems," said Al Hubbard, Bush's former chief economic adviser, who left the White House in December 2007. "Had we, we would have attacked them."
The housing fiasco started under carter with the formation of fanny and freddie, then clinton signed law forcing banks to loan money to unqualified consumers.
 
Hey @Mojo2 :

After the fact:

Bush drive for home ownership fueled housing bubble

It Was Bush Who Pushed Minority Home Buying Not Clinton

http://www.newsweek.com/so-much-bushs-ownership-society-92163


Before the fact:

Bush to push ownership society - Sep. 2 2004

USATODAY.com - Bush ties his economic policies to home ownership

Bush pushes home ownership opportunities for minorities - The Boston Globe



From the first link:

"We can put light where there's darkness, and hope where there's despondency in this country. And part of it is working together as a nation to encourage folks to own their own home."

- President George W. Bush, Oct. 15, 2002​


Eight years after arriving in Washington vowing to spread the dream of home ownership, Bush is leaving office, as he himself said recently, "faced with the prospect of a global meltdown" with roots in the housing sector he so ardently championed.

There are plenty of culprits, like lenders who peddled easy credit, consumers who took on mortgages they could not afford and Wall Street chieftains who loaded up on mortgage-backed securities without regard to the risk.

But the story of how the United States got here is partly one of Bush's own making, according to a review of his tenure that included interviews with dozens of current and former administration officials.

From his earliest days in office, Bush paired his belief that Americans do best when they own their own homes with his conviction that markets do best when left alone. Bush pushed hard to expand home ownership, especially among minority groups, an initiative that dovetailed with both his ambition to expand Republican appeal and the business interests of some of his biggest donors. But his housing policies and hands-off approach to regulation encouraged lax lending standards.

Bush did foresee the danger posed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored mortgage finance giants. The president spent years pushing a recalcitrant Congress to toughen regulation of the companies, but was unwilling to compromise when his former Treasury secretary wanted to cut a deal. And the regulator Bush chose to oversee them - an old school buddy - pronounced the companies sound even as they headed toward insolvency.

As early as 2006, top advisers to Bush dismissed warnings from people inside and outside the White House that housing prices were inflated and that a foreclosure crisis was looming. And when the economy deteriorated, Bush and his team misdiagnosed the reasons and scope of the downturn. As recently as February, for example, Bush was still calling it a "rough patch."

The result was a series of piecemeal policy prescriptions that lagged behind the escalating crisis.

"There is no question we did not recognize the severity of the problems," said Al Hubbard, Bush's former chief economic adviser, who left the White House in December 2007. "Had we, we would have attacked them."

And I agree with ALL of that.

Bush did push for more home ownership. Absolutely he did. EVERYONE thought more home ownership was a good thing. In fact, that's why Carter signed the Community Reinvestment Act, in 1977. It was to encourage more home ownership.

And by the way, there was a housing boom and bust during the late 70s.

Reagan supported more home ownership. Bush Sr. supported more home ownership. Clinton and Bush Jr, supported more home ownership. Congress supported more home ownership.

The difference though, is that Reagan supported the ideal, and encourages people to do it, but never tried to force it to happen using government.

Clinton, and then later Bush, did.

Now here's the key.... Everything that Bush Jr did.... it was all bad. But the problem is, the sub-prime market, and the housing price bubble, still started before Bush was in office.

What he did was still bad! But...... the problem still started before he was in office.

And by the way.... Your last quote..... "we would have attacked [the problem]" - Al Hubbard.


No, actually they would not have.

There is no possible way to 'deflate' a market bubble, without it popping. It's inherent to what a market bubble is. You can't avoid that.

Now, if you would like me to walk you through how that works, I can do that.

But when someone says "why didn't Bush fix the housing bubble"... the answer is, he couldn't.

There are only two things he could do, and possibly a third. He possibly could have relaxed lending standards even more, so as to intentionally keep the bubble growing. That might have allowed the bubble to continue until he was out of office.

But beyond that, he could only do two things... ignore it and hope the bubble doesn't pop until after he leaves office, or intentionally pop the bubble.

Now regardless of the left wing claiming Bush was a demon, and the right-wing claiming he was a saint.... the reality is, Bush was a politician.

If Bush had popped the bubble intentionally, what would have happened? Everyone would have been screaming that "everything was fine until Bush screwed up the economy!"

And you leftists... you know I'm right. You know it. You know that right now, if Bush had intentionally popped the Housing bubble in 2005, or 2003, or whenever.... you know that right now, on this forum, you would posting "Yeah everything was peachy until Bush ruined the housing market, after claiming there was some 'bubble' somewhere".

You know you would. Don't even try and lie.

And Bush knows that too. So even if Bush did know, which he didn't, but even if he did..... there's no way he would have popped the bubble. Why would you pop a market bubble, knowing you'll be blamed for it? Better to just quietly ignore it, and hope it pops when the next guy is in office.
 
Second, in your video:

"ACORN forced banks to issue risky home loans"

Really? How did they 'force' banks to do that, exactly?

While you're at it, please describe what is wrong or bad about ACORN in the first place? That video makes them sound like al Qaeda.

ACORN sued banks in court, to lower lending standards. There are lawsuit documents online, that show this, and have B. Obama listed for the prosecution.

Then why aren't you linking to them?

Link, please.
 

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