over 60 percent of white republicans think obama was not born in US

[PoliticalChic]

Oops, struck a nerve again.

The two ends are very similar in their behaviors. I wonder what it's like being so similar to those you loathe.

If you don't like that I point it out, too bad. You'll just have to live with it.
.

How are they similar? For once in your life try to answer a question. One side lies about the birth place of a former President and the other side has the truth on it's side. How are they comparable? I bet as usual you won't answer.

I've gone over this many times, and I'll be more than happy to go over it again.

Similar behaviors of the Left and the Right:

1. Spin
2. Hyperbole
3. Distortion
4. Deflection
5. Personal Insults
6. Name Calling
   
7. Denial
8. Tunnel Vision
   
9. Straw Man Arguments
10. Outright Lies

Now, if you want to pretend that the Left does not engage in those behaviors, great. That would be an example of #7.
.

Mac, as usual you won't answer a simple question. Staying on topic, in a thread where a poll is saying 60% of white Republicans think Obama wasn't born in Hawaii, how are both sides equal? Bet you still won't answer the question.

Although you lied about it earlier in the thread, I've never said Hussein wasn't born in the United States....

....but I do so enjoy making you dolts hop around, stamp your weedle feet, and foam at the mouth.


Thus:
I simply pointed out three facts...

1. Hillary Clinton's campaign began the view that Hussein was born elsewhere

2. Hussein himself told his agent/publisher to write that he was from Kenya....or, did they just pick a country out of a hatd?

3. Michelle Obama made the claim that Kenya was Hussein's 'homecountry'


Sooo......what's the beef?????

You're a birther and you keep reposting the same debunked lies and won't even bother to challenge any of them, you simply pretend they don't exist and keep repeating yourself. You're credibility is zero.

Nothing I post is untrue....as proven by you Three Stooges....

1. Hillary Clinton's campaign began the view that Hussein was born elsewhere
“Hillary Clinton and her campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy,” Trump said today. His campaign subsequently circulated a link to a memo written by Clinton’s 2008 chief strategist, Mark Penn, suggesting they promote then Senator Obama’s “lack of American roots,” as well as the transcript of an interview Clinton’s 2008 campaign manager Patty Solis Doyle, where she tells Wolf Blitzer a staffer forwarded an email promoting the birther conspiracy in 2007, but that staffer was immediately fired.

Penn did write a memo in 2007 saying that Obama’s foreign background could present a weakness for him, and Clinton should emphasize her middle-class Midwestern upbringing.

"His roots to American values and culture are at best limited," the memo says. "I cannot imagine America electing a president during a time of war who is not at his center fundamentally American in his thinking and values."
Fact-Checking Trump's Claim Clinton Started 'Birther' Movement


2. Hussein himself told his agent/publisher to write that he was from Kenya....or, did they just pick a country out of a hat?
"A 1991 literary promotional booklet identified Barack Obama as having been born in Kenya.

TRUE
Obama's Literary Agent Said He Was Born in Kenya?



3. Michelle Obama made the claim that Kenya was Hussein's 'homecountry'





So.....what's the beef???

 

[BuckToothMoron]

Daily Kos: 63% of Republicans Still Believe Iraq Had WMD, 64% Obama Born in Kenya

White republicans are simply amazing. White republicans have the greatest racist talent to ever live. I really wonder what make white republicans soooooooo talented at being racist. The majority blacks think republicans are racist sums and evidence is all over America.

I think he was born here, I just know why he married a dude.

 

[HappyJoy]

How are they similar? For once in your life try to answer a question. One side lies about the birth place of a former President and the other side has the truth on it's side. How are they comparable? I bet as usual you won't answer.

I've gone over this many times, and I'll be more than happy to go over it again.

Similar behaviors of the Left and the Right:

1. Spin
2. Hyperbole
3. Distortion
4. Deflection
5. Personal Insults
6. Name Calling
   
7. Denial
8. Tunnel Vision
   
9. Straw Man Arguments
10. Outright Lies

Now, if you want to pretend that the Left does not engage in those behaviors, great. That would be an example of #7.
.

Mac, as usual you won't answer a simple question. Staying on topic, in a thread where a poll is saying 60% of white Republicans think Obama wasn't born in Hawaii, how are both sides equal? Bet you still won't answer the question.

I just answered your question.

And you just provided a lovely example of #10. Show me where I have ever said the "two sides are equal". Ever.

Ever.

When you can't, you won't admit to it. That's another behavior the two ends share.
.

When you can't take a stand on birtherism in a thread about birtherism.

Yes, I wasn't expecting an admission.

Thanks.
.

An admission of what? You basically agreed with another poster playing bothsiderism.

 

[Mac1958]

I've gone over this many times, and I'll be more than happy to go over it again.

Similar behaviors of the Left and the Right:

1. Spin
2. Hyperbole
3. Distortion
4. Deflection
5. Personal Insults
6. Name Calling
   
7. Denial
8. Tunnel Vision
   
9. Straw Man Arguments
10. Outright Lies

Now, if you want to pretend that the Left does not engage in those behaviors, great. That would be an example of #7.
.

Mac, as usual you won't answer a simple question. Staying on topic, in a thread where a poll is saying 60% of white Republicans think Obama wasn't born in Hawaii, how are both sides equal? Bet you still won't answer the question.

I just answered your question.

And you just provided a lovely example of #10. Show me where I have ever said the "two sides are equal". Ever.

Ever.

When you can't, you won't admit to it. That's another behavior the two ends share.
.

When you can't take a stand on birtherism in a thread about birtherism.

Yes, I wasn't expecting an admission.

Thanks.
.

An admission of what? You basically agreed with another poster playing bothsiderism.

Who knows what you're talking about. You asked a question, I answered. You lied, I pointed it out.

You now know precisely what I mean when I say the two sides are very similar in their behaviors. If you don't like it, too bad.
.

 

[HappyJoy]

How are they similar? For once in your life try to answer a question. One side lies about the birth place of a former President and the other side has the truth on it's side. How are they comparable? I bet as usual you won't answer.

I've gone over this many times, and I'll be more than happy to go over it again.

Similar behaviors of the Left and the Right:

1. Spin
2. Hyperbole
3. Distortion
4. Deflection
5. Personal Insults
6. Name Calling
   
7. Denial
8. Tunnel Vision
   
9. Straw Man Arguments
10. Outright Lies

Now, if you want to pretend that the Left does not engage in those behaviors, great. That would be an example of #7.
.

Mac, as usual you won't answer a simple question. Staying on topic, in a thread where a poll is saying 60% of white Republicans think Obama wasn't born in Hawaii, how are both sides equal? Bet you still won't answer the question.

Although you lied about it earlier in the thread, I've never said Hussein wasn't born in the United States....

....but I do so enjoy making you dolts hop around, stamp your weedle feet, and foam at the mouth.


Thus:
I simply pointed out three facts...

1. Hillary Clinton's campaign began the view that Hussein was born elsewhere

2. Hussein himself told his agent/publisher to write that he was from Kenya....or, did they just pick a country out of a hatd?

3. Michelle Obama made the claim that Kenya was Hussein's 'homecountry'


Sooo......what's the beef?????

You're a birther and you keep reposting the same debunked lies and won't even bother to challenge any of them, you simply pretend they don't exist and keep repeating yourself. You're credibility is zero.

Nothing I post is untrue....as proven by you Three Stooges....

1. Hillary Clinton's campaign began the view that Hussein was born elsewhere
“Hillary Clinton and her campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy,” Trump said today. His campaign subsequently circulated a link to a memo written by Clinton’s 2008 chief strategist, Mark Penn, suggesting they promote then Senator Obama’s “lack of American roots,” as well as the transcript of an interview Clinton’s 2008 campaign manager Patty Solis Doyle, where she tells Wolf Blitzer a staffer forwarded an email promoting the birther conspiracy in 2007, but that staffer was immediately fired.

Penn did write a memo in 2007 saying that Obama’s foreign background could present a weakness for him, and Clinton should emphasize her middle-class Midwestern upbringing.

"His roots to American values and culture are at best limited," the memo says. "I cannot imagine America electing a president during a time of war who is not at his center fundamentally American in his thinking and values."
Fact-Checking Trump's Claim Clinton Started 'Birther' Movement


2. Hussein himself told his agent/publisher to write that he was from Kenya....or, did they just pick a country out of a hat?
"A 1991 literary promotional booklet identified Barack Obama as having been born in Kenya.

TRUE
Obama's Literary Agent Said He Was Born in Kenya?



3. Michelle Obama made the claim that Kenya was Hussein's 'homecountry'





So.....what's the beef???

1. The Clinton campaign did not start the birther movement. Since you're using Snopes (incorrectly) as a source then certainly you'll accept them here:
Did Clinton Supporters Start the 'Birther' Movement?

Don't worry, nobody expects you to directly respond to the info in the link, you're not honest enough to.

2. "Hussein himself told his agent/publisher to write that he was from Kenya....or, did they just pick a country out of a hat?"

Nope, nowhere in your link (Snopes) is there a claim that Obama told his publisher he was born in Kenya, you are simply lying. In fact your own link specifically says it was the agent who edited the bio to include Kenya. So, you're simply just lying again. Basically, you proved you're a liar.

Now, if you're looking for a reason why Kenya instead of another location, most likely it's because Barack Obama Sr. was born in Kenya. But no, you insist that Kenya was so random. You're intellectually dishonest and kind of stupid.

3. Changing the goal posts now are we? First you claimed that Michelle said Barack was 'born in Kenya', that was an obvious lie. And now you're simply hanging onto semantics and using logic that doesn't make any sense.

You say you never said Obama was born in Kenya, but you offer nothing but birther conspiracies, you're a birther. Either that or you are claiming Michelle Obama is a birther. You lack common sense and yes, you're very much a liar.

 

[HappyJoy]

Mac, as usual you won't answer a simple question. Staying on topic, in a thread where a poll is saying 60% of white Republicans think Obama wasn't born in Hawaii, how are both sides equal? Bet you still won't answer the question.

I just answered your question.

And you just provided a lovely example of #10. Show me where I have ever said the "two sides are equal". Ever.

Ever.

When you can't, you won't admit to it. That's another behavior the two ends share.
.

When you can't take a stand on birtherism in a thread about birtherism.

Yes, I wasn't expecting an admission.

Thanks.
.

An admission of what? You basically agreed with another poster playing bothsiderism.

Who knows what you're talking about. You asked a question, I answered. You lied, I pointed it out.

You now know precisely what I mean when I say the two sides are very similar in their behaviors. If you don't like it, too bad.
.

OK, so we can both agree, Birtherism is not a one sided issue and that the right is absolutely wrong and the left is correct. Right? No problem agreeing with that?

 

[Mac1958]

I just answered your question.

And you just provided a lovely example of #10. Show me where I have ever said the "two sides are equal". Ever.

Ever.

When you can't, you won't admit to it. That's another behavior the two ends share.
.

When you can't take a stand on birtherism in a thread about birtherism.

Yes, I wasn't expecting an admission.

Thanks.
.

An admission of what? You basically agreed with another poster playing bothsiderism.

Who knows what you're talking about. You asked a question, I answered. You lied, I pointed it out.

You now know precisely what I mean when I say the two sides are very similar in their behaviors. If you don't like it, too bad.
.

OK, so we can both agree, Birtherism is not a one sided issue and that the right is absolutely wrong and the left is correct. Right? No problem agreeing with that?

Yes, birthers are silly conservative talk radio goofballs.
.

 

[Papageorgio]

Ultimately the argument you two are having is incredibly stupid. There is nothing to gain from it for either of you. Various click bait websites put out stupid inflammtory bullshit that means NOTHING to anyone yet some moron shares the link and the race to the bottom of the barrel is off.

As with a lot of other things, I wonder what people think is being gained by this shit.
.

Oh, there we go again.

Birther conspiracy theory idiots claiming a former President was not a natural born citizen and therefore illegitimate vs. The truth being debated on a political discussion forum and your conclusion is just grouping both sides of the argument together as though they are equal?

Good one, Mac, thanks for wasting your time adding your 2 cents.

Oops, struck a nerve again.

The two ends are very similar in their behaviors. I wonder what it's like being so similar to those you loathe.

If you don't like that I point it out, too bad. You'll just have to live with it.
.

How are they similar? For once in your life try to answer a question. One side lies about the birth place of a former President and therefore his legitimacy while the other side has the truth. How are they comparable? I bet as usual you won't answer.

More than half of Democrats believed Bush knew

Add to that the percentage of Democrats that think Bush stole the 2000 election and then again in the 2004 election.

Both extremes are absolutely nuts, I see no real difference.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I've gone over this many times, and I'll be more than happy to go over it again.

Similar behaviors of the Left and the Right:

1. Spin
2. Hyperbole
3. Distortion
4. Deflection
5. Personal Insults
6. Name Calling
   
7. Denial
8. Tunnel Vision
   
9. Straw Man Arguments
10. Outright Lies

Now, if you want to pretend that the Left does not engage in those behaviors, great. That would be an example of #7.
.

Mac, as usual you won't answer a simple question. Staying on topic, in a thread where a poll is saying 60% of white Republicans think Obama wasn't born in Hawaii, how are both sides equal? Bet you still won't answer the question.

Although you lied about it earlier in the thread, I've never said Hussein wasn't born in the United States....

....but I do so enjoy making you dolts hop around, stamp your weedle feet, and foam at the mouth.


Thus:
I simply pointed out three facts...

1. Hillary Clinton's campaign began the view that Hussein was born elsewhere

2. Hussein himself told his agent/publisher to write that he was from Kenya....or, did they just pick a country out of a hatd?

3. Michelle Obama made the claim that Kenya was Hussein's 'homecountry'


Sooo......what's the beef?????

You're a birther and you keep reposting the same debunked lies and won't even bother to challenge any of them, you simply pretend they don't exist and keep repeating yourself. You're credibility is zero.

Nothing I post is untrue....as proven by you Three Stooges....

1. Hillary Clinton's campaign began the view that Hussein was born elsewhere
“Hillary Clinton and her campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy,” Trump said today. His campaign subsequently circulated a link to a memo written by Clinton’s 2008 chief strategist, Mark Penn, suggesting they promote then Senator Obama’s “lack of American roots,” as well as the transcript of an interview Clinton’s 2008 campaign manager Patty Solis Doyle, where she tells Wolf Blitzer a staffer forwarded an email promoting the birther conspiracy in 2007, but that staffer was immediately fired.

Penn did write a memo in 2007 saying that Obama’s foreign background could present a weakness for him, and Clinton should emphasize her middle-class Midwestern upbringing.

"His roots to American values and culture are at best limited," the memo says. "I cannot imagine America electing a president during a time of war who is not at his center fundamentally American in his thinking and values."
Fact-Checking Trump's Claim Clinton Started 'Birther' Movement


2. Hussein himself told his agent/publisher to write that he was from Kenya....or, did they just pick a country out of a hat?
"A 1991 literary promotional booklet identified Barack Obama as having been born in Kenya.

TRUE
Obama's Literary Agent Said He Was Born in Kenya?



3. Michelle Obama made the claim that Kenya was Hussein's 'homecountry'





So.....what's the beef???

1. The Clinton campaign did not start the birther movement. Since you're using Snopes (incorrectly) as a source then certainly you'll accept them here:
Did Clinton Supporters Start the 'Birther' Movement?

Don't worry, nobody expects you to directly respond to the info in the link, you're not honest enough to.

2. "Hussein himself told his agent/publisher to write that he was from Kenya....or, did they just pick a country out of a hat?"

Nope, nowhere in your link (Snopes) is there a claim that Obama told his publisher he was born in Kenya, you are simply lying. In fact your own link specifically says it was the agent who edited the bio to include Kenya. So, you're simply just lying again. Basically, you proved you're a liar.

Now, if you're looking for a reason why Kenya instead of another location, most likely it's because Barack Obama Sr. was born in Kenya. But no, you insist that Kenya was so random. You're intellectually dishonest and kind of stupid.

3. Changing the goal posts now are we? First you claimed that Michelle said Barack was 'born in Kenya', that was an obvious lie. And now you're simply hanging onto semantics and using logic that doesn't make any sense.

You say you never said Obama was born in Kenya, but you offer nothing but birther conspiracies, you're a birther. Either that or you are claiming Michelle Obama is a birther. You lack common sense and yes, you're very much a liar.

" The Clinton campaign did not start the birther movement."


Really?

Then, perhaps you'd be able to identify the employer of Clinton’s 2008 chief strategist, Mark Penn,...

and the staffer mentioned here:
"the transcript of an interview Clinton’s 2008 campaign manager Patty Solis Doyle, where she tells Wolf Blitzer a staffer forwarded an email promoting the birther conspiracy in 2007, ..."


While you're stuttering and mumbling......see if you can come up with that apology you owe me for claiming that I said Obama was born in Kenya.

 

[HappyJoy]

When you can't take a stand on birtherism in a thread about birtherism.

Yes, I wasn't expecting an admission.

Thanks.
.

An admission of what? You basically agreed with another poster playing bothsiderism.

Who knows what you're talking about. You asked a question, I answered. You lied, I pointed it out.

You now know precisely what I mean when I say the two sides are very similar in their behaviors. If you don't like it, too bad.
.

OK, so we can both agree, Birtherism is not a one sided issue and that the right is absolutely wrong and the left is correct. Right? No problem agreeing with that?

Yes, birthers are silly conservative talk radio goofballs.
.

Yeah, didn't think you could do it. I'm not talking about talk radio, I'm talking about the 60% of white Republcians who believe in birtherism. I'm talking about the wingnuts on this very board who are birthers.

Say it with me, the majority of white Republicans and the conservative birthers on this board are wrong and the left/liberals are correct. Can you bring yourself to posting that? Or are you stuck on bothsiderism so much that you can't even bring yourself to agreeing with me on this?

 

[PoliticalChic]

I've gone over this many times, and I'll be more than happy to go over it again.

Similar behaviors of the Left and the Right:

1. Spin
2. Hyperbole
3. Distortion
4. Deflection
5. Personal Insults
6. Name Calling
   
7. Denial
8. Tunnel Vision
   
9. Straw Man Arguments
10. Outright Lies

Now, if you want to pretend that the Left does not engage in those behaviors, great. That would be an example of #7.
.

Mac, as usual you won't answer a simple question. Staying on topic, in a thread where a poll is saying 60% of white Republicans think Obama wasn't born in Hawaii, how are both sides equal? Bet you still won't answer the question.

Although you lied about it earlier in the thread, I've never said Hussein wasn't born in the United States....

....but I do so enjoy making you dolts hop around, stamp your weedle feet, and foam at the mouth.


Thus:
I simply pointed out three facts...

1. Hillary Clinton's campaign began the view that Hussein was born elsewhere

2. Hussein himself told his agent/publisher to write that he was from Kenya....or, did they just pick a country out of a hatd?

3. Michelle Obama made the claim that Kenya was Hussein's 'homecountry'


Sooo......what's the beef?????

You're a birther and you keep reposting the same debunked lies and won't even bother to challenge any of them, you simply pretend they don't exist and keep repeating yourself. You're credibility is zero.

Nothing I post is untrue....as proven by you Three Stooges....

1. Hillary Clinton's campaign began the view that Hussein was born elsewhere
“Hillary Clinton and her campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy,” Trump said today. His campaign subsequently circulated a link to a memo written by Clinton’s 2008 chief strategist, Mark Penn, suggesting they promote then Senator Obama’s “lack of American roots,” as well as the transcript of an interview Clinton’s 2008 campaign manager Patty Solis Doyle, where she tells Wolf Blitzer a staffer forwarded an email promoting the birther conspiracy in 2007, but that staffer was immediately fired.

Penn did write a memo in 2007 saying that Obama’s foreign background could present a weakness for him, and Clinton should emphasize her middle-class Midwestern upbringing.

"His roots to American values and culture are at best limited," the memo says. "I cannot imagine America electing a president during a time of war who is not at his center fundamentally American in his thinking and values."
Fact-Checking Trump's Claim Clinton Started 'Birther' Movement


2. Hussein himself told his agent/publisher to write that he was from Kenya....or, did they just pick a country out of a hat?
"A 1991 literary promotional booklet identified Barack Obama as having been born in Kenya.

TRUE
Obama's Literary Agent Said He Was Born in Kenya?



3. Michelle Obama made the claim that Kenya was Hussein's 'homecountry'





So.....what's the beef???

1. The Clinton campaign did not start the birther movement. Since you're using Snopes (incorrectly) as a source then certainly you'll accept them here:
Did Clinton Supporters Start the 'Birther' Movement?

Don't worry, nobody expects you to directly respond to the info in the link, you're not honest enough to.

2. "Hussein himself told his agent/publisher to write that he was from Kenya....or, did they just pick a country out of a hat?"

Nope, nowhere in your link (Snopes) is there a claim that Obama told his publisher he was born in Kenya, you are simply lying. In fact your own link specifically says it was the agent who edited the bio to include Kenya. So, you're simply just lying again. Basically, you proved you're a liar.

Now, if you're looking for a reason why Kenya instead of another location, most likely it's because Barack Obama Sr. was born in Kenya. But no, you insist that Kenya was so random. You're intellectually dishonest and kind of stupid.

3. Changing the goal posts now are we? First you claimed that Michelle said Barack was 'born in Kenya', that was an obvious lie. And now you're simply hanging onto semantics and using logic that doesn't make any sense.

You say you never said Obama was born in Kenya, but you offer nothing but birther conspiracies, you're a birther. Either that or you are claiming Michelle Obama is a birther. You lack common sense and yes, you're very much a liar.

. "Hussein himself told his agent/publisher to write that he was from Kenya....or, did they just pick a country out of a hat?"


How did the agent/publisher know he was born in Kenya?

 

[PoliticalChic]

I've gone over this many times, and I'll be more than happy to go over it again.

Similar behaviors of the Left and the Right:

1. Spin
2. Hyperbole
3. Distortion
4. Deflection
5. Personal Insults
6. Name Calling
   
7. Denial
8. Tunnel Vision
   
9. Straw Man Arguments
10. Outright Lies

Now, if you want to pretend that the Left does not engage in those behaviors, great. That would be an example of #7.
.

Mac, as usual you won't answer a simple question. Staying on topic, in a thread where a poll is saying 60% of white Republicans think Obama wasn't born in Hawaii, how are both sides equal? Bet you still won't answer the question.

Although you lied about it earlier in the thread, I've never said Hussein wasn't born in the United States....

....but I do so enjoy making you dolts hop around, stamp your weedle feet, and foam at the mouth.


Thus:
I simply pointed out three facts...

1. Hillary Clinton's campaign began the view that Hussein was born elsewhere

2. Hussein himself told his agent/publisher to write that he was from Kenya....or, did they just pick a country out of a hatd?

3. Michelle Obama made the claim that Kenya was Hussein's 'homecountry'


Sooo......what's the beef?????

You're a birther and you keep reposting the same debunked lies and won't even bother to challenge any of them, you simply pretend they don't exist and keep repeating yourself. You're credibility is zero.

Nothing I post is untrue....as proven by you Three Stooges....

1. Hillary Clinton's campaign began the view that Hussein was born elsewhere
“Hillary Clinton and her campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy,” Trump said today. His campaign subsequently circulated a link to a memo written by Clinton’s 2008 chief strategist, Mark Penn, suggesting they promote then Senator Obama’s “lack of American roots,” as well as the transcript of an interview Clinton’s 2008 campaign manager Patty Solis Doyle, where she tells Wolf Blitzer a staffer forwarded an email promoting the birther conspiracy in 2007, but that staffer was immediately fired.

Penn did write a memo in 2007 saying that Obama’s foreign background could present a weakness for him, and Clinton should emphasize her middle-class Midwestern upbringing.

"His roots to American values and culture are at best limited," the memo says. "I cannot imagine America electing a president during a time of war who is not at his center fundamentally American in his thinking and values."
Fact-Checking Trump's Claim Clinton Started 'Birther' Movement


2. Hussein himself told his agent/publisher to write that he was from Kenya....or, did they just pick a country out of a hat?
"A 1991 literary promotional booklet identified Barack Obama as having been born in Kenya.

TRUE
Obama's Literary Agent Said He Was Born in Kenya?



3. Michelle Obama made the claim that Kenya was Hussein's 'homecountry'





So.....what's the beef???

1. The Clinton campaign did not start the birther movement. Since you're using Snopes (incorrectly) as a source then certainly you'll accept them here:
Did Clinton Supporters Start the 'Birther' Movement?

Don't worry, nobody expects you to directly respond to the info in the link, you're not honest enough to.

2. "Hussein himself told his agent/publisher to write that he was from Kenya....or, did they just pick a country out of a hat?"

Nope, nowhere in your link (Snopes) is there a claim that Obama told his publisher he was born in Kenya, you are simply lying. In fact your own link specifically says it was the agent who edited the bio to include Kenya. So, you're simply just lying again. Basically, you proved you're a liar.

Now, if you're looking for a reason why Kenya instead of another location, most likely it's because Barack Obama Sr. was born in Kenya. But no, you insist that Kenya was so random. You're intellectually dishonest and kind of stupid.

3. Changing the goal posts now are we? First you claimed that Michelle said Barack was 'born in Kenya', that was an obvious lie. And now you're simply hanging onto semantics and using logic that doesn't make any sense.

You say you never said Obama was born in Kenya, but you offer nothing but birther conspiracies, you're a birther. Either that or you are claiming Michelle Obama is a birther. You lack common sense and yes, you're very much a liar.

" First you claimed that Michelle said Barack was 'born in Kenya', that was an obvious lie."

Clearly it's no lie....or, will you define the term 'home country'?


No?

Keep running.

 

[Mac1958]

Yes, I wasn't expecting an admission.

Thanks.
.

An admission of what? You basically agreed with another poster playing bothsiderism.

Who knows what you're talking about. You asked a question, I answered. You lied, I pointed it out.

You now know precisely what I mean when I say the two sides are very similar in their behaviors. If you don't like it, too bad.
.

OK, so we can both agree, Birtherism is not a one sided issue and that the right is absolutely wrong and the left is correct. Right? No problem agreeing with that?

Yes, birthers are silly conservative talk radio goofballs.
.

Yeah, didn't think you could do it. I'm not talking about talk radio, I'm talking about the 60% of white Republcians who believe in birtherism. I'm talking about the wingnuts on this very board who are birthers.

Say it with me, the majority of white Republicans and the conservative birthers on this board are wrong and the left/liberals are correct. Can you bring yourself to posting that? Or are you stuck on bothsiderism so much that you can't even bring yourself to agreeing with me on this?

I think you're trying far too hard here. I really thought my response was clear, but your perception appears to be distorted by your ideology.

Calm down a bit.

Yes, of course, birthers are wrong, and those who disagree with them are correct. The left/liberals are correct. "Yes" was the first word in my answer.

I know you don't like being compared to those you loathe. That's not my problem. Take a breath. Decaf, maybe.
.

 

[HappyJoy]

Ultimately the argument you two are having is incredibly stupid. There is nothing to gain from it for either of you. Various click bait websites put out stupid inflammtory bullshit that means NOTHING to anyone yet some moron shares the link and the race to the bottom of the barrel is off.

As with a lot of other things, I wonder what people think is being gained by this shit.
.

Oh, there we go again.

Birther conspiracy theory idiots claiming a former President was not a natural born citizen and therefore illegitimate vs. The truth being debated on a political discussion forum and your conclusion is just grouping both sides of the argument together as though they are equal?

Good one, Mac, thanks for wasting your time adding your 2 cents.

Oops, struck a nerve again.

The two ends are very similar in their behaviors. I wonder what it's like being so similar to those you loathe.

If you don't like that I point it out, too bad. You'll just have to live with it.
.

How are they similar? For once in your life try to answer a question. One side lies about the birth place of a former President and therefore his legitimacy while the other side has the truth. How are they comparable? I bet as usual you won't answer.

More than half of Democrats believed Bush knew

Add to that the percentage of Democrats that think Bush stole the 2000 election and then again in the 2004 election.

Both extremes are absolutely nuts, I see no real difference.

This was the question asked:

How likely is it that people in the federal government either assisted in the 9/11 attacks or took no action to stop the attacks because they wanted the United States to go to war in the Middle East?

That is a poorly written question that should have been broken down into three parts.

Did the federal government assist in the 9/11 attacks?

Did the federal government take no action to stop the 9/11 attacks?

Did the federal government want to go to war in the Middle East?

First question, no.

Second question, depends. We know that the government and the current administration didn't take OBL threats seriously, they didn't even bother to meet about it. However I don't believe they had intel on anything specific either.

Third question - Yes, absolutely they wanted to go to war in Iraq and 9/11 was a great excuse.

So, sorry, I don't trust the poll question.

 

[HappyJoy]

An admission of what? You basically agreed with another poster playing bothsiderism.

Who knows what you're talking about. You asked a question, I answered. You lied, I pointed it out.

You now know precisely what I mean when I say the two sides are very similar in their behaviors. If you don't like it, too bad.
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OK, so we can both agree, Birtherism is not a one sided issue and that the right is absolutely wrong and the left is correct. Right? No problem agreeing with that?

Yes, birthers are silly conservative talk radio goofballs.
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Yeah, didn't think you could do it. I'm not talking about talk radio, I'm talking about the 60% of white Republcians who believe in birtherism. I'm talking about the wingnuts on this very board who are birthers.

Say it with me, the majority of white Republicans and the conservative birthers on this board are wrong and the left/liberals are correct. Can you bring yourself to posting that? Or are you stuck on bothsiderism so much that you can't even bring yourself to agreeing with me on this?

I think you're trying far too hard here. I really thought my response was clear, but your perception appears to be distorted by your ideology.

Calm down a bit.

Yes, of course, birthers are wrong, and those who disagree with them are correct. The left/liberals are correct. "Yes" was the first word in my answer.

I know you don't like being compared to those you loathe. That's not my problem. Take a breath. Decaf, maybe.
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I don't really consider what you say about me at all, its irrelevant. I get tired of the 'both sides do it' mantra. When actually, everybody even you has their own biases and that's why debate should be decided with facts and not some pre-canned response that has nothing to do with the debate at hand.

Thank you for your reply, it's like pulling teeth but hey, you actually were able to call right wingnuts the liars that they are.

 

[Papageorgio]

As with a lot of other things, I wonder what people think is being gained by this shit.
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Oh, there we go again.

Birther conspiracy theory idiots claiming a former President was not a natural born citizen and therefore illegitimate vs. The truth being debated on a political discussion forum and your conclusion is just grouping both sides of the argument together as though they are equal?

Good one, Mac, thanks for wasting your time adding your 2 cents.

Oops, struck a nerve again.

The two ends are very similar in their behaviors. I wonder what it's like being so similar to those you loathe.

If you don't like that I point it out, too bad. You'll just have to live with it.
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How are they similar? For once in your life try to answer a question. One side lies about the birth place of a former President and therefore his legitimacy while the other side has the truth. How are they comparable? I bet as usual you won't answer.

More than half of Democrats believed Bush knew

Add to that the percentage of Democrats that think Bush stole the 2000 election and then again in the 2004 election.

Both extremes are absolutely nuts, I see no real difference.

This was the question asked:

How likely is it that people in the federal government either assisted in the 9/11 attacks or took no action to stop the attacks because they wanted the United States to go to war in the Middle East?

That is a poorly written question that should have been broken down into three parts.

Did the federal government assist in the 9/11 attacks?

Did the federal government take no action to stop the 9/11 attacks?

Did the federal government want to go to war in the Middle East?

First question, no.

Second question, depends. We know that the government and the current administration didn't take OBL threats seriously, they didn't even bother to meet about it. However I don't believe they had intel on anything specific either.

Third question - Yes, absolutely they wanted to go to war in Iraq and 9/11 was a great excuse.

So, sorry, I don't trust the poll question.

I expect nothing different from you. Again, both extremes are nuts.

Tons of evidence points to it, however partisans won’t see it that way.

 

[OldLady]

Pretty hard to believe we're still arguing about this.

 

[Skylar]

Pretty hard to believe we're still arguing about this.

You're dealing with people that don't use evidence. And genuinely believe that if they repeat the same lies often enough, they become true.

Why wouldn't these fools still be arguing for the birther conspiracy?

 

[Mac1958]

Who knows what you're talking about. You asked a question, I answered. You lied, I pointed it out.

You now know precisely what I mean when I say the two sides are very similar in their behaviors. If you don't like it, too bad.
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OK, so we can both agree, Birtherism is not a one sided issue and that the right is absolutely wrong and the left is correct. Right? No problem agreeing with that?

Yes, birthers are silly conservative talk radio goofballs.
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Yeah, didn't think you could do it. I'm not talking about talk radio, I'm talking about the 60% of white Republcians who believe in birtherism. I'm talking about the wingnuts on this very board who are birthers.

Say it with me, the majority of white Republicans and the conservative birthers on this board are wrong and the left/liberals are correct. Can you bring yourself to posting that? Or are you stuck on bothsiderism so much that you can't even bring yourself to agreeing with me on this?

I think you're trying far too hard here. I really thought my response was clear, but your perception appears to be distorted by your ideology.

Calm down a bit.

Yes, of course, birthers are wrong, and those who disagree with them are correct. The left/liberals are correct. "Yes" was the first word in my answer.

I know you don't like being compared to those you loathe. That's not my problem. Take a breath. Decaf, maybe.
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I don't really consider what you say about me at all, its irrelevant. I get tired of the 'both sides do it' mantra. When actually, everybody even you has their own biases and that's why debate should be decided with facts and not some pre-canned response that has nothing to do with the debate at hand.

Thank you for your reply, it's like pulling teeth but hey, you actually were able to call right wingnuts the liars that they are.

You folks absolutely fascinate me.

I said they were "wrong", and in your mind, you think I was calling them "liars". You equate the two. You don't see a difference.

This is why I have such respect for the power of partisan ideology. It literally warps perceptions and thought processes.

Always interesting. This place is like a mental Petri dish for me.
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[Mac1958]

Pretty hard to believe we're still arguing about this.

I would have thought this would have faded away by now, but they're just as adamant as ever.
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