Palestine : proposing a 2-state solution with flexible borders

[surada]

I have some ideas about the entrenched, painful, conflict between the Isrealis and the Palestinians.

I took a look at the map, and figured out a possible solution.
It would require the Palestinians to be content with building new homes and farmland (powered by Israeli supplied water[1]), and for the Egyptians to sell some of the land that borders with Israel to Israel and Palestine.

This would start by the Palestinians moving some of their farmland and residences to the South of the current West Bank region, and later into what are now Egyptian lands bordering Israel.

In return, the Palestinians would get prolonged peace and a unified strip of land, the Israelis would get room to expand (into the West Bank, and later towards the south of the West Bank too), and the Egyptians would get international credit, and money (supplied by both the Israelis, and Palestinian farm products).

[1] Freshwater (industrial scale) from seawater, on sunlight | Physics Forums - The Fusion of Science and Community

i have this idea to produce fresh water for farming and all the other uses of fresh water, from seawater, on sunlight, using mostly/only off-the-shelf parts.. i am currently not able to pursue this idea myself due to financial constraints, so i thought i'd float the idea here looking for some constructive feedback.. i'm also not a mechanical engineer, i have studied software engineering, so i have a couple of specific hurdles with the engineering that i'd like your feedback on.. it starts with pvc tubing bringing seawater to a desert/climatically-hot area.. the pvc tubing does not need to be raised above ground level but rather be just laid on the ground to preheat the seawater. at the conversion site, you'd have multiple evaporation chambers made out of black plastic funnels, one normally upright beneath one inverted (so narrow part pointing straight up) and tied together using black ducktape perhaps. problem 1 is maintaining a stable water level in the lower (upright, narrow part of the funnel pointing down) funnels, and bringing new seawater to those lower funnels over terrain that varies in height aswell (potentially for several miles).. problem 2 is the condensation of vaporized freshwater from the 2-funnels devices back into liquid form for transportation to a farming area (which is suspect are pentiful), any area that could be farmed if it would receive a stable freshwater supply.. this idea is copylefted and donated to humanity by me. you are free to implement it entirely on your own and perhaps even turn it into a business where you take a modest percentage of revenue (the food output) to make the thing economically sustainable and interesting-to-scale-up..

What Egyptian lands are you speaking of?

Jerusalem is completely controlled by massive Jewish population on all 4 sides
They ain’t getting Jerusalem back nor should they

Jordan is the only other state in the region who made a claim for it, and they ceded that claim in the 1990's, along with the rest of the West Bank. What some gangsters want to claim is of no interest or validity.

it wasn't Jordan's to cede... They simply administered it along with East Jerusalem.

So what? They dropped any claims they had to it, and they're the real 'Palestinian state', not your thugsters running Hamas and the PLA.

Palestine was a province of Syria as far back as 500 BC.. Have you read Herodotus? It was called Syria-Palestine.. Chaucer and Shakespeare also mention Palestine.

Do you remember the West Bank before Israel attacked Egypt in 1967? Do you remember the Almond Trees and Pomegranates, and ancient Olive groves. Some of those olive trees were 500 years old and they weren't watered and tended by Europeans.

How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas - WSJ
https://www.wsj.com › articles › SB123275572295011847
Israel cooperated with a crippled, half-blind cleric named Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, even as he was laying the foundations for what would become Hamas.

Um, Herodotus coined the word palestine (palaistine), he didn’t discover a place called palestine. He wasn’t the Greek Christopher Columbus. So, palaistine existed in his book but not in reality. Sorry to confuse you with facts.

Herodotus didn't make it up.. It was called Palestine even when Egypt controlled Sina and Canaan during the Exodus.

No it wasn't, stop making things up.

And what difference does it make how Greeks called a land on another continent,
if those who today falsely appropriate the name, can't even pronounce it?

Ancient Greeks generally called the country Judea, signifying land of the Jews. Romans, too. Persians called it Yehud. Herodotus used the name palaistine referring to the Mediterranean coast formerly occupied by philistines, who were also from the Greek world like Herodotus. It wasn‘t palestine as people generally think of it.

Never thought about how Herodotus came up with the name,
but the root of the word is in Hebrew, it's not Greek.

It actually shows Herodotus wasn't personally familiar with the region from first witness,
or even realize what the word meant, his knowledge of the specific region was limited only to reports from other Greeks who were not familiar with the local language.

No native would call himself "Palestinian", by definition.

They sure did in 1950.. Alot of them went to my church.

 

[Lee Edwin]

I have some ideas about the entrenched, painful, conflict between the Isrealis and the Palestinians.

I took a look at the map, and figured out a possible solution.
It would require the Palestinians to be content with building new homes and farmland (powered by Israeli supplied water[1]), and for the Egyptians to sell some of the land that borders with Israel to Israel and Palestine.

This would start by the Palestinians moving some of their farmland and residences to the South of the current West Bank region, and later into what are now Egyptian lands bordering Israel.

In return, the Palestinians would get prolonged peace and a unified strip of land, the Israelis would get room to expand (into the West Bank, and later towards the south of the West Bank too), and the Egyptians would get international credit, and money (supplied by both the Israelis, and Palestinian farm products).

[1] Freshwater (industrial scale) from seawater, on sunlight | Physics Forums - The Fusion of Science and Community

i have this idea to produce fresh water for farming and all the other uses of fresh water, from seawater, on sunlight, using mostly/only off-the-shelf parts.. i am currently not able to pursue this idea myself due to financial constraints, so i thought i'd float the idea here looking for some constructive feedback.. i'm also not a mechanical engineer, i have studied software engineering, so i have a couple of specific hurdles with the engineering that i'd like your feedback on.. it starts with pvc tubing bringing seawater to a desert/climatically-hot area.. the pvc tubing does not need to be raised above ground level but rather be just laid on the ground to preheat the seawater. at the conversion site, you'd have multiple evaporation chambers made out of black plastic funnels, one normally upright beneath one inverted (so narrow part pointing straight up) and tied together using black ducktape perhaps. problem 1 is maintaining a stable water level in the lower (upright, narrow part of the funnel pointing down) funnels, and bringing new seawater to those lower funnels over terrain that varies in height aswell (potentially for several miles).. problem 2 is the condensation of vaporized freshwater from the 2-funnels devices back into liquid form for transportation to a farming area (which is suspect are pentiful), any area that could be farmed if it would receive a stable freshwater supply.. this idea is copylefted and donated to humanity by me. you are free to implement it entirely on your own and perhaps even turn it into a business where you take a modest percentage of revenue (the food output) to make the thing economically sustainable and interesting-to-scale-up..

What Egyptian lands are you speaking of?

Jerusalem is completely controlled by massive Jewish population on all 4 sides
They ain’t getting Jerusalem back nor should they

Jordan is the only other state in the region who made a claim for it, and they ceded that claim in the 1990's, along with the rest of the West Bank. What some gangsters want to claim is of no interest or validity.

it wasn't Jordan's to cede... They simply administered it along with East Jerusalem.

So what? They dropped any claims they had to it, and they're the real 'Palestinian state', not your thugsters running Hamas and the PLA.

Palestine was a province of Syria as far back as 500 BC.. Have you read Herodotus? It was called Syria-Palestine.. Chaucer and Shakespeare also mention Palestine.

Do you remember the West Bank before Israel attacked Egypt in 1967? Do you remember the Almond Trees and Pomegranates, and ancient Olive groves. Some of those olive trees were 500 years old and they weren't watered and tended by Europeans.

How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas - WSJ
https://www.wsj.com › articles › SB123275572295011847
Israel cooperated with a crippled, half-blind cleric named Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, even as he was laying the foundations for what would become Hamas.

Um, Herodotus coined the word palestine (palaistine), he didn’t discover a place called palestine. He wasn’t the Greek Christopher Columbus. So, palaistine existed in his book but not in reality. Sorry to confuse you with facts.

Herodotus didn't make it up.. It was called Palestine even when Egypt controlled Sina and Canaan during the Exodus.

No it wasn't, stop making things up.

And what difference does it make how Greeks called a land on another continent,
if those who today falsely appropriate the name, can't even pronounce it?

Ancient Greeks generally called the country Judea, signifying land of the Jews. Romans, too. Persians called it Yehud. Herodotus used the name palaistine referring to the Mediterranean coast formerly occupied by philistines, who were also from the Greek world like Herodotus. It wasn‘t palestine as people generally think of it.

Never thought about how Herodotus came up with the name,
but the root of the word is in Hebrew, it's not Greek.

It actually shows Herodotus wasn't personally familiar with the region from first witness,
or even realize what the word meant, his knowledge of the specific region was limited only to reports from other Greeks who were not familiar with the local language.

No native would call himself "Palestinian", by definition.

I have some ideas about the entrenched, painful, conflict between the Isrealis and the Palestinians.

I took a look at the map, and figured out a possible solution.
It would require the Palestinians to be content with building new homes and farmland (powered by Israeli supplied water[1]), and for the Egyptians to sell some of the land that borders with Israel to Israel and Palestine.

This would start by the Palestinians moving some of their farmland and residences to the South of the current West Bank region, and later into what are now Egyptian lands bordering Israel.

In return, the Palestinians would get prolonged peace and a unified strip of land, the Israelis would get room to expand (into the West Bank, and later towards the south of the West Bank too), and the Egyptians would get international credit, and money (supplied by both the Israelis, and Palestinian farm products).

[1] Freshwater (industrial scale) from seawater, on sunlight | Physics Forums - The Fusion of Science and Community

i have this idea to produce fresh water for farming and all the other uses of fresh water, from seawater, on sunlight, using mostly/only off-the-shelf parts.. i am currently not able to pursue this idea myself due to financial constraints, so i thought i'd float the idea here looking for some constructive feedback.. i'm also not a mechanical engineer, i have studied software engineering, so i have a couple of specific hurdles with the engineering that i'd like your feedback on.. it starts with pvc tubing bringing seawater to a desert/climatically-hot area.. the pvc tubing does not need to be raised above ground level but rather be just laid on the ground to preheat the seawater. at the conversion site, you'd have multiple evaporation chambers made out of black plastic funnels, one normally upright beneath one inverted (so narrow part pointing straight up) and tied together using black ducktape perhaps. problem 1 is maintaining a stable water level in the lower (upright, narrow part of the funnel pointing down) funnels, and bringing new seawater to those lower funnels over terrain that varies in height aswell (potentially for several miles).. problem 2 is the condensation of vaporized freshwater from the 2-funnels devices back into liquid form for transportation to a farming area (which is suspect are pentiful), any area that could be farmed if it would receive a stable freshwater supply.. this idea is copylefted and donated to humanity by me. you are free to implement it entirely on your own and perhaps even turn it into a business where you take a modest percentage of revenue (the food output) to make the thing economically sustainable and interesting-to-scale-up..

What Egyptian lands are you speaking of?

Jerusalem is completely controlled by massive Jewish population on all 4 sides
They ain’t getting Jerusalem back nor should they

Jordan is the only other state in the region who made a claim for it, and they ceded that claim in the 1990's, along with the rest of the West Bank. What some gangsters want to claim is of no interest or validity.

it wasn't Jordan's to cede... They simply administered it along with East Jerusalem.

So what? They dropped any claims they had to it, and they're the real 'Palestinian state', not your thugsters running Hamas and the PLA.

Palestine was a province of Syria as far back as 500 BC.. Have you read Herodotus? It was called Syria-Palestine.. Chaucer and Shakespeare also mention Palestine.

Do you remember the West Bank before Israel attacked Egypt in 1967? Do you remember the Almond Trees and Pomegranates, and ancient Olive groves. Some of those olive trees were 500 years old and they weren't watered and tended by Europeans.

How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas - WSJ
https://www.wsj.com › articles › SB123275572295011847
Israel cooperated with a crippled, half-blind cleric named Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, even as he was laying the foundations for what would become Hamas.

Um, Herodotus coined the word palestine (palaistine), he didn’t discover a place called palestine. He wasn’t the Greek Christopher Columbus. So, palaistine existed in his book but not in reality. Sorry to confuse you with facts.

Herodotus didn't make it up.. It was called Palestine even when Egypt controlled Sina and Canaan during the Exodus.

No it wasn't, stop making things up.

And what difference does it make how Greeks called a land on another continent,
if those who today falsely appropriate the name, can't even pronounce it?

Ancient Greeks generally called the country Judea, signifying land of the Jews. Romans, too. Persians called it Yehud. Herodotus used the name palaistine referring to the Mediterranean coast formerly occupied by philistines, who were also from the Greek world like Herodotus. It wasn‘t palestine as people generally think of it.

Never thought about how Herodotus came up with the name,
but the root of the word is in Hebrew, it's not Greek.

It actually shows Herodotus wasn't personally familiar with the region from first witness,
or even realize what the word meant, his knowledge of the specific region was limited only to reports from other Greeks who were not familiar with the local language.

No native would call himself "Palestinian", by definition.

Jewish Bible calls the Philistines “Pelishtim“ and their location on the Mediterranean coast is called Peleshet. Bible actually refers to the Mediterranean as “sea of the Philistines.” The Greeks like Herodotus knew of the Philistines because they originated from the Greek world. In his book, he says palaistine is between Phoenicia (modern Lebanon) and Egypt, on a “peninsula beside our sea” (Mediterranean). There is no account of him traveling inland.

 

[Lee Edwin]

I have some ideas about the entrenched, painful, conflict between the Isrealis and the Palestinians.

I took a look at the map, and figured out a possible solution.
It would require the Palestinians to be content with building new homes and farmland (powered by Israeli supplied water[1]), and for the Egyptians to sell some of the land that borders with Israel to Israel and Palestine.

This would start by the Palestinians moving some of their farmland and residences to the South of the current West Bank region, and later into what are now Egyptian lands bordering Israel.

In return, the Palestinians would get prolonged peace and a unified strip of land, the Israelis would get room to expand (into the West Bank, and later towards the south of the West Bank too), and the Egyptians would get international credit, and money (supplied by both the Israelis, and Palestinian farm products).

[1] Freshwater (industrial scale) from seawater, on sunlight | Physics Forums - The Fusion of Science and Community

i have this idea to produce fresh water for farming and all the other uses of fresh water, from seawater, on sunlight, using mostly/only off-the-shelf parts.. i am currently not able to pursue this idea myself due to financial constraints, so i thought i'd float the idea here looking for some constructive feedback.. i'm also not a mechanical engineer, i have studied software engineering, so i have a couple of specific hurdles with the engineering that i'd like your feedback on.. it starts with pvc tubing bringing seawater to a desert/climatically-hot area.. the pvc tubing does not need to be raised above ground level but rather be just laid on the ground to preheat the seawater. at the conversion site, you'd have multiple evaporation chambers made out of black plastic funnels, one normally upright beneath one inverted (so narrow part pointing straight up) and tied together using black ducktape perhaps. problem 1 is maintaining a stable water level in the lower (upright, narrow part of the funnel pointing down) funnels, and bringing new seawater to those lower funnels over terrain that varies in height aswell (potentially for several miles).. problem 2 is the condensation of vaporized freshwater from the 2-funnels devices back into liquid form for transportation to a farming area (which is suspect are pentiful), any area that could be farmed if it would receive a stable freshwater supply.. this idea is copylefted and donated to humanity by me. you are free to implement it entirely on your own and perhaps even turn it into a business where you take a modest percentage of revenue (the food output) to make the thing economically sustainable and interesting-to-scale-up..

What Egyptian lands are you speaking of?

Jerusalem is completely controlled by massive Jewish population on all 4 sides
They ain’t getting Jerusalem back nor should they

Jordan is the only other state in the region who made a claim for it, and they ceded that claim in the 1990's, along with the rest of the West Bank. What some gangsters want to claim is of no interest or validity.

it wasn't Jordan's to cede... They simply administered it along with East Jerusalem.

So what? They dropped any claims they had to it, and they're the real 'Palestinian state', not your thugsters running Hamas and the PLA.

Palestine was a province of Syria as far back as 500 BC.. Have you read Herodotus? It was called Syria-Palestine.. Chaucer and Shakespeare also mention Palestine.

Do you remember the West Bank before Israel attacked Egypt in 1967? Do you remember the Almond Trees and Pomegranates, and ancient Olive groves. Some of those olive trees were 500 years old and they weren't watered and tended by Europeans.

How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas - WSJ
https://www.wsj.com › articles › SB123275572295011847
Israel cooperated with a crippled, half-blind cleric named Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, even as he was laying the foundations for what would become Hamas.

Um, Herodotus coined the word palestine (palaistine), he didn’t discover a place called palestine. He wasn’t the Greek Christopher Columbus. So, palaistine existed in his book but not in reality. Sorry to confuse you with facts.

Herodotus didn't make it up.. It was called Palestine even when Egypt controlled Sina and Canaan during the Exodus.

No it wasn't, stop making things up.

And what difference does it make how Greeks called a land on another continent,
if those who today falsely appropriate the name, can't even pronounce it?

Ancient Greeks generally called the country Judea, signifying land of the Jews. Romans, too. Persians called it Yehud. Herodotus used the name palaistine referring to the Mediterranean coast formerly occupied by philistines, who were also from the Greek world like Herodotus. It wasn‘t palestine as people generally think of it.

Fellahin has nothing to do with Philistines and there's no P in Arabic. Hebrew is derived from Canaanite.. so Jordan makes sense.

I have some ideas about the entrenched, painful, conflict between the Isrealis and the Palestinians.

I took a look at the map, and figured out a possible solution.
It would require the Palestinians to be content with building new homes and farmland (powered by Israeli supplied water[1]), and for the Egyptians to sell some of the land that borders with Israel to Israel and Palestine.

This would start by the Palestinians moving some of their farmland and residences to the South of the current West Bank region, and later into what are now Egyptian lands bordering Israel.

In return, the Palestinians would get prolonged peace and a unified strip of land, the Israelis would get room to expand (into the West Bank, and later towards the south of the West Bank too), and the Egyptians would get international credit, and money (supplied by both the Israelis, and Palestinian farm products).

[1] Freshwater (industrial scale) from seawater, on sunlight | Physics Forums - The Fusion of Science and Community

i have this idea to produce fresh water for farming and all the other uses of fresh water, from seawater, on sunlight, using mostly/only off-the-shelf parts.. i am currently not able to pursue this idea myself due to financial constraints, so i thought i'd float the idea here looking for some constructive feedback.. i'm also not a mechanical engineer, i have studied software engineering, so i have a couple of specific hurdles with the engineering that i'd like your feedback on.. it starts with pvc tubing bringing seawater to a desert/climatically-hot area.. the pvc tubing does not need to be raised above ground level but rather be just laid on the ground to preheat the seawater. at the conversion site, you'd have multiple evaporation chambers made out of black plastic funnels, one normally upright beneath one inverted (so narrow part pointing straight up) and tied together using black ducktape perhaps. problem 1 is maintaining a stable water level in the lower (upright, narrow part of the funnel pointing down) funnels, and bringing new seawater to those lower funnels over terrain that varies in height aswell (potentially for several miles).. problem 2 is the condensation of vaporized freshwater from the 2-funnels devices back into liquid form for transportation to a farming area (which is suspect are pentiful), any area that could be farmed if it would receive a stable freshwater supply.. this idea is copylefted and donated to humanity by me. you are free to implement it entirely on your own and perhaps even turn it into a business where you take a modest percentage of revenue (the food output) to make the thing economically sustainable and interesting-to-scale-up..

What Egyptian lands are you speaking of?

Jerusalem is completely controlled by massive Jewish population on all 4 sides
They ain’t getting Jerusalem back nor should they

Jordan is the only other state in the region who made a claim for it, and they ceded that claim in the 1990's, along with the rest of the West Bank. What some gangsters want to claim is of no interest or validity.

it wasn't Jordan's to cede... They simply administered it along with East Jerusalem.

So what? They dropped any claims they had to it, and they're the real 'Palestinian state', not your thugsters running Hamas and the PLA.

Palestine was a province of Syria as far back as 500 BC.. Have you read Herodotus? It was called Syria-Palestine.. Chaucer and Shakespeare also mention Palestine.

Do you remember the West Bank before Israel attacked Egypt in 1967? Do you remember the Almond Trees and Pomegranates, and ancient Olive groves. Some of those olive trees were 500 years old and they weren't watered and tended by Europeans.

How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas - WSJ
https://www.wsj.com › articles › SB123275572295011847
Israel cooperated with a crippled, half-blind cleric named Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, even as he was laying the foundations for what would become Hamas.

Um, Herodotus coined the word palestine (palaistine), he didn’t discover a place called palestine. He wasn’t the Greek Christopher Columbus. So, palaistine existed in his book but not in reality. Sorry to confuse you with facts.

Herodotus didn't make it up.. It was called Palestine even when Egypt controlled Sina and Canaan during the Exodus.

No it wasn't, stop making things up.

And what difference does it make how Greeks called a land on another continent,
if those who today falsely appropriate the name, can't even pronounce it?

Ancient Greeks generally called the country Judea, signifying land of the Jews. Romans, too. Persians called it Yehud. Herodotus used the name palaistine referring to the Mediterranean coast formerly occupied by philistines, who were also from the Greek world like Herodotus. It wasn‘t palestine as people generally think of it.

Fellahin has nothing to do with Philistines and there's no P in Arabic. Hebrew is derived from Canaanite.. so Jordan makes sense.

Arabs call the country Jordan, an English word, not palestine because no place palestine existed for Arabs. When the Jordanians seized Judea and Samaria in the ‘48 War, they called the land West Bank, also not palestine.

The Jews were not given The West Bank or East Jerusalem or the Golan Heights or the Shaaba Farms in 1948. Chaim Wiezman was very disappointed.

Remember Palestine had stamps, currency and newspapers and it was called Palestine in all the documents found at the Avalon Project, Yale. In any case, the Arab Jews were a tiny minority up in until 1930. You can't erase the Muslim or Christian Arabs..

Palestine was just Britain’s name for the British Mandate, a standard generic European name. Palestine coins and stamps were created in England.

 

[surada]

I have some ideas about the entrenched, painful, conflict between the Isrealis and the Palestinians.

I took a look at the map, and figured out a possible solution.
It would require the Palestinians to be content with building new homes and farmland (powered by Israeli supplied water[1]), and for the Egyptians to sell some of the land that borders with Israel to Israel and Palestine.

This would start by the Palestinians moving some of their farmland and residences to the South of the current West Bank region, and later into what are now Egyptian lands bordering Israel.

In return, the Palestinians would get prolonged peace and a unified strip of land, the Israelis would get room to expand (into the West Bank, and later towards the south of the West Bank too), and the Egyptians would get international credit, and money (supplied by both the Israelis, and Palestinian farm products).

[1] Freshwater (industrial scale) from seawater, on sunlight | Physics Forums - The Fusion of Science and Community

i have this idea to produce fresh water for farming and all the other uses of fresh water, from seawater, on sunlight, using mostly/only off-the-shelf parts.. i am currently not able to pursue this idea myself due to financial constraints, so i thought i'd float the idea here looking for some constructive feedback.. i'm also not a mechanical engineer, i have studied software engineering, so i have a couple of specific hurdles with the engineering that i'd like your feedback on.. it starts with pvc tubing bringing seawater to a desert/climatically-hot area.. the pvc tubing does not need to be raised above ground level but rather be just laid on the ground to preheat the seawater. at the conversion site, you'd have multiple evaporation chambers made out of black plastic funnels, one normally upright beneath one inverted (so narrow part pointing straight up) and tied together using black ducktape perhaps. problem 1 is maintaining a stable water level in the lower (upright, narrow part of the funnel pointing down) funnels, and bringing new seawater to those lower funnels over terrain that varies in height aswell (potentially for several miles).. problem 2 is the condensation of vaporized freshwater from the 2-funnels devices back into liquid form for transportation to a farming area (which is suspect are pentiful), any area that could be farmed if it would receive a stable freshwater supply.. this idea is copylefted and donated to humanity by me. you are free to implement it entirely on your own and perhaps even turn it into a business where you take a modest percentage of revenue (the food output) to make the thing economically sustainable and interesting-to-scale-up..

What Egyptian lands are you speaking of?

Jerusalem is completely controlled by massive Jewish population on all 4 sides
They ain’t getting Jerusalem back nor should they

Jordan is the only other state in the region who made a claim for it, and they ceded that claim in the 1990's, along with the rest of the West Bank. What some gangsters want to claim is of no interest or validity.

it wasn't Jordan's to cede... They simply administered it along with East Jerusalem.

So what? They dropped any claims they had to it, and they're the real 'Palestinian state', not your thugsters running Hamas and the PLA.

Palestine was a province of Syria as far back as 500 BC.. Have you read Herodotus? It was called Syria-Palestine.. Chaucer and Shakespeare also mention Palestine.

Do you remember the West Bank before Israel attacked Egypt in 1967? Do you remember the Almond Trees and Pomegranates, and ancient Olive groves. Some of those olive trees were 500 years old and they weren't watered and tended by Europeans.

How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas - WSJ
https://www.wsj.com › articles › SB123275572295011847
Israel cooperated with a crippled, half-blind cleric named Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, even as he was laying the foundations for what would become Hamas.

Um, Herodotus coined the word palestine (palaistine), he didn’t discover a place called palestine. He wasn’t the Greek Christopher Columbus. So, palaistine existed in his book but not in reality. Sorry to confuse you with facts.

Herodotus didn't make it up.. It was called Palestine even when Egypt controlled Sina and Canaan during the Exodus.

No it wasn't, stop making things up.

And what difference does it make how Greeks called a land on another continent,
if those who today falsely appropriate the name, can't even pronounce it?

Ancient Greeks generally called the country Judea, signifying land of the Jews. Romans, too. Persians called it Yehud. Herodotus used the name palaistine referring to the Mediterranean coast formerly occupied by philistines, who were also from the Greek world like Herodotus. It wasn‘t palestine as people generally think of it.

Never thought about how Herodotus came up with the name,
but the root of the word is in Hebrew, it's not Greek.

It actually shows Herodotus wasn't personally familiar with the region from first witness,
or even realize what the word meant, his knowledge of the specific region was limited only to reports from other Greeks who were not familiar with the local language.

No native would call himself "Palestinian", by definition.

I have some ideas about the entrenched, painful, conflict between the Isrealis and the Palestinians.

I took a look at the map, and figured out a possible solution.
It would require the Palestinians to be content with building new homes and farmland (powered by Israeli supplied water[1]), and for the Egyptians to sell some of the land that borders with Israel to Israel and Palestine.

This would start by the Palestinians moving some of their farmland and residences to the South of the current West Bank region, and later into what are now Egyptian lands bordering Israel.

In return, the Palestinians would get prolonged peace and a unified strip of land, the Israelis would get room to expand (into the West Bank, and later towards the south of the West Bank too), and the Egyptians would get international credit, and money (supplied by both the Israelis, and Palestinian farm products).

[1] Freshwater (industrial scale) from seawater, on sunlight | Physics Forums - The Fusion of Science and Community

i have this idea to produce fresh water for farming and all the other uses of fresh water, from seawater, on sunlight, using mostly/only off-the-shelf parts.. i am currently not able to pursue this idea myself due to financial constraints, so i thought i'd float the idea here looking for some constructive feedback.. i'm also not a mechanical engineer, i have studied software engineering, so i have a couple of specific hurdles with the engineering that i'd like your feedback on.. it starts with pvc tubing bringing seawater to a desert/climatically-hot area.. the pvc tubing does not need to be raised above ground level but rather be just laid on the ground to preheat the seawater. at the conversion site, you'd have multiple evaporation chambers made out of black plastic funnels, one normally upright beneath one inverted (so narrow part pointing straight up) and tied together using black ducktape perhaps. problem 1 is maintaining a stable water level in the lower (upright, narrow part of the funnel pointing down) funnels, and bringing new seawater to those lower funnels over terrain that varies in height aswell (potentially for several miles).. problem 2 is the condensation of vaporized freshwater from the 2-funnels devices back into liquid form for transportation to a farming area (which is suspect are pentiful), any area that could be farmed if it would receive a stable freshwater supply.. this idea is copylefted and donated to humanity by me. you are free to implement it entirely on your own and perhaps even turn it into a business where you take a modest percentage of revenue (the food output) to make the thing economically sustainable and interesting-to-scale-up..

What Egyptian lands are you speaking of?

Jerusalem is completely controlled by massive Jewish population on all 4 sides
They ain’t getting Jerusalem back nor should they

Jordan is the only other state in the region who made a claim for it, and they ceded that claim in the 1990's, along with the rest of the West Bank. What some gangsters want to claim is of no interest or validity.

it wasn't Jordan's to cede... They simply administered it along with East Jerusalem.

So what? They dropped any claims they had to it, and they're the real 'Palestinian state', not your thugsters running Hamas and the PLA.

Palestine was a province of Syria as far back as 500 BC.. Have you read Herodotus? It was called Syria-Palestine.. Chaucer and Shakespeare also mention Palestine.

Do you remember the West Bank before Israel attacked Egypt in 1967? Do you remember the Almond Trees and Pomegranates, and ancient Olive groves. Some of those olive trees were 500 years old and they weren't watered and tended by Europeans.

How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas - WSJ
https://www.wsj.com › articles › SB123275572295011847
Israel cooperated with a crippled, half-blind cleric named Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, even as he was laying the foundations for what would become Hamas.

Um, Herodotus coined the word palestine (palaistine), he didn’t discover a place called palestine. He wasn’t the Greek Christopher Columbus. So, palaistine existed in his book but not in reality. Sorry to confuse you with facts.

Herodotus didn't make it up.. It was called Palestine even when Egypt controlled Sina and Canaan during the Exodus.

No it wasn't, stop making things up.

And what difference does it make how Greeks called a land on another continent,
if those who today falsely appropriate the name, can't even pronounce it?

Ancient Greeks generally called the country Judea, signifying land of the Jews. Romans, too. Persians called it Yehud. Herodotus used the name palaistine referring to the Mediterranean coast formerly occupied by philistines, who were also from the Greek world like Herodotus. It wasn‘t palestine as people generally think of it.

Never thought about how Herodotus came up with the name,
but the root of the word is in Hebrew, it's not Greek.

It actually shows Herodotus wasn't personally familiar with the region from first witness,
or even realize what the word meant, his knowledge of the specific region was limited only to reports from other Greeks who were not familiar with the local language.

No native would call himself "Palestinian", by definition.

Jewish Bible calls the Philistines “Pelishtim“ and their location on the Mediterranean coast is called Peleshet. Bible actually refers to the Mediterranean as “sea of the Philistines.” The Greeks like Herodotus knew of the Philistines because they originated from the Greek world. In his book, he says palaistine is between Phoenicia (modern Lebanon) and Egypt, on a “peninsula beside our sea” (Mediterranean). There is no account of him traveling inland.

There is no P in Arabic.. the word is Fellahin..

 

[rylah]

I have some ideas about the entrenched, painful, conflict between the Isrealis and the Palestinians.

I took a look at the map, and figured out a possible solution.
It would require the Palestinians to be content with building new homes and farmland (powered by Israeli supplied water[1]), and for the Egyptians to sell some of the land that borders with Israel to Israel and Palestine.

This would start by the Palestinians moving some of their farmland and residences to the South of the current West Bank region, and later into what are now Egyptian lands bordering Israel.

In return, the Palestinians would get prolonged peace and a unified strip of land, the Israelis would get room to expand (into the West Bank, and later towards the south of the West Bank too), and the Egyptians would get international credit, and money (supplied by both the Israelis, and Palestinian farm products).

[1] Freshwater (industrial scale) from seawater, on sunlight | Physics Forums - The Fusion of Science and Community

i have this idea to produce fresh water for farming and all the other uses of fresh water, from seawater, on sunlight, using mostly/only off-the-shelf parts.. i am currently not able to pursue this idea myself due to financial constraints, so i thought i'd float the idea here looking for some constructive feedback.. i'm also not a mechanical engineer, i have studied software engineering, so i have a couple of specific hurdles with the engineering that i'd like your feedback on.. it starts with pvc tubing bringing seawater to a desert/climatically-hot area.. the pvc tubing does not need to be raised above ground level but rather be just laid on the ground to preheat the seawater. at the conversion site, you'd have multiple evaporation chambers made out of black plastic funnels, one normally upright beneath one inverted (so narrow part pointing straight up) and tied together using black ducktape perhaps. problem 1 is maintaining a stable water level in the lower (upright, narrow part of the funnel pointing down) funnels, and bringing new seawater to those lower funnels over terrain that varies in height aswell (potentially for several miles).. problem 2 is the condensation of vaporized freshwater from the 2-funnels devices back into liquid form for transportation to a farming area (which is suspect are pentiful), any area that could be farmed if it would receive a stable freshwater supply.. this idea is copylefted and donated to humanity by me. you are free to implement it entirely on your own and perhaps even turn it into a business where you take a modest percentage of revenue (the food output) to make the thing economically sustainable and interesting-to-scale-up..

What Egyptian lands are you speaking of?

Jerusalem is completely controlled by massive Jewish population on all 4 sides
They ain’t getting Jerusalem back nor should they

Jordan is the only other state in the region who made a claim for it, and they ceded that claim in the 1990's, along with the rest of the West Bank. What some gangsters want to claim is of no interest or validity.

it wasn't Jordan's to cede... They simply administered it along with East Jerusalem.

So what? They dropped any claims they had to it, and they're the real 'Palestinian state', not your thugsters running Hamas and the PLA.

Palestine was a province of Syria as far back as 500 BC.. Have you read Herodotus? It was called Syria-Palestine.. Chaucer and Shakespeare also mention Palestine.

Do you remember the West Bank before Israel attacked Egypt in 1967? Do you remember the Almond Trees and Pomegranates, and ancient Olive groves. Some of those olive trees were 500 years old and they weren't watered and tended by Europeans.

How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas - WSJ
https://www.wsj.com › articles › SB123275572295011847
Israel cooperated with a crippled, half-blind cleric named Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, even as he was laying the foundations for what would become Hamas.

Um, Herodotus coined the word palestine (palaistine), he didn’t discover a place called palestine. He wasn’t the Greek Christopher Columbus. So, palaistine existed in his book but not in reality. Sorry to confuse you with facts.

Herodotus didn't make it up.. It was called Palestine even when Egypt controlled Sina and Canaan during the Exodus.

No it wasn't, stop making things up.

And what difference does it make how Greeks called a land on another continent,
if those who today falsely appropriate the name, can't even pronounce it?

Ancient Greeks generally called the country Judea, signifying land of the Jews. Romans, too. Persians called it Yehud. Herodotus used the name palaistine referring to the Mediterranean coast formerly occupied by philistines, who were also from the Greek world like Herodotus. It wasn‘t palestine as people generally think of it.

Fellahin has nothing to do with Philistines and there's no P in Arabic. Hebrew is derived from Canaanite.. so Jordan makes sense.

Indeed no 'P' in Arabic,
and no root nor meaning for 'Palestine' in their language.

But let's look even further -

the approximately 1 million Jews who returned from Arab occupied countries,
and who's main language was Arabic for centuries, could effortlessly pronounce 'P'.

Yet the approximately 1 million Arabs who claim to have owned and fled the country,
NONE of them can pronounce 'P-alestine' without learning a foreign language.

How do You dance around this absurdity?
Maybe Herodotus can help with that...

 

[Lee Edwin]

I have some ideas about the entrenched, painful, conflict between the Isrealis and the Palestinians.

I took a look at the map, and figured out a possible solution.
It would require the Palestinians to be content with building new homes and farmland (powered by Israeli supplied water[1]), and for the Egyptians to sell some of the land that borders with Israel to Israel and Palestine.

This would start by the Palestinians moving some of their farmland and residences to the South of the current West Bank region, and later into what are now Egyptian lands bordering Israel.

In return, the Palestinians would get prolonged peace and a unified strip of land, the Israelis would get room to expand (into the West Bank, and later towards the south of the West Bank too), and the Egyptians would get international credit, and money (supplied by both the Israelis, and Palestinian farm products).

[1] Freshwater (industrial scale) from seawater, on sunlight | Physics Forums - The Fusion of Science and Community

i have this idea to produce fresh water for farming and all the other uses of fresh water, from seawater, on sunlight, using mostly/only off-the-shelf parts.. i am currently not able to pursue this idea myself due to financial constraints, so i thought i'd float the idea here looking for some constructive feedback.. i'm also not a mechanical engineer, i have studied software engineering, so i have a couple of specific hurdles with the engineering that i'd like your feedback on.. it starts with pvc tubing bringing seawater to a desert/climatically-hot area.. the pvc tubing does not need to be raised above ground level but rather be just laid on the ground to preheat the seawater. at the conversion site, you'd have multiple evaporation chambers made out of black plastic funnels, one normally upright beneath one inverted (so narrow part pointing straight up) and tied together using black ducktape perhaps. problem 1 is maintaining a stable water level in the lower (upright, narrow part of the funnel pointing down) funnels, and bringing new seawater to those lower funnels over terrain that varies in height aswell (potentially for several miles).. problem 2 is the condensation of vaporized freshwater from the 2-funnels devices back into liquid form for transportation to a farming area (which is suspect are pentiful), any area that could be farmed if it would receive a stable freshwater supply.. this idea is copylefted and donated to humanity by me. you are free to implement it entirely on your own and perhaps even turn it into a business where you take a modest percentage of revenue (the food output) to make the thing economically sustainable and interesting-to-scale-up..

What Egyptian lands are you speaking of?

Jerusalem is completely controlled by massive Jewish population on all 4 sides
They ain’t getting Jerusalem back nor should they

Jordan is the only other state in the region who made a claim for it, and they ceded that claim in the 1990's, along with the rest of the West Bank. What some gangsters want to claim is of no interest or validity.

it wasn't Jordan's to cede... They simply administered it along with East Jerusalem.

So what? They dropped any claims they had to it, and they're the real 'Palestinian state', not your thugsters running Hamas and the PLA.

Palestine was a province of Syria as far back as 500 BC.. Have you read Herodotus? It was called Syria-Palestine.. Chaucer and Shakespeare also mention Palestine.

Do you remember the West Bank before Israel attacked Egypt in 1967? Do you remember the Almond Trees and Pomegranates, and ancient Olive groves. Some of those olive trees were 500 years old and they weren't watered and tended by Europeans.

How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas - WSJ
https://www.wsj.com › articles › SB123275572295011847
Israel cooperated with a crippled, half-blind cleric named Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, even as he was laying the foundations for what would become Hamas.

Um, Herodotus coined the word palestine (palaistine), he didn’t discover a place called palestine. He wasn’t the Greek Christopher Columbus. So, palaistine existed in his book but not in reality. Sorry to confuse you with facts.

Herodotus didn't make it up.. It was called Palestine even when Egypt controlled Sina and Canaan during the Exodus.

No it wasn't, stop making things up.

And what difference does it make how Greeks called a land on another continent,
if those who today falsely appropriate the name, can't even pronounce it?

Ancient Greeks generally called the country Judea, signifying land of the Jews. Romans, too. Persians called it Yehud. Herodotus used the name palaistine referring to the Mediterranean coast formerly occupied by philistines, who were also from the Greek world like Herodotus. It wasn‘t palestine as people generally think of it.

Fellahin has nothing to do with Philistines and there's no P in Arabic. Hebrew is derived from Canaanite.. so Jordan makes sense.

I have some ideas about the entrenched, painful, conflict between the Isrealis and the Palestinians.

I took a look at the map, and figured out a possible solution.
It would require the Palestinians to be content with building new homes and farmland (powered by Israeli supplied water[1]), and for the Egyptians to sell some of the land that borders with Israel to Israel and Palestine.

This would start by the Palestinians moving some of their farmland and residences to the South of the current West Bank region, and later into what are now Egyptian lands bordering Israel.

In return, the Palestinians would get prolonged peace and a unified strip of land, the Israelis would get room to expand (into the West Bank, and later towards the south of the West Bank too), and the Egyptians would get international credit, and money (supplied by both the Israelis, and Palestinian farm products).

[1] Freshwater (industrial scale) from seawater, on sunlight | Physics Forums - The Fusion of Science and Community

i have this idea to produce fresh water for farming and all the other uses of fresh water, from seawater, on sunlight, using mostly/only off-the-shelf parts.. i am currently not able to pursue this idea myself due to financial constraints, so i thought i'd float the idea here looking for some constructive feedback.. i'm also not a mechanical engineer, i have studied software engineering, so i have a couple of specific hurdles with the engineering that i'd like your feedback on.. it starts with pvc tubing bringing seawater to a desert/climatically-hot area.. the pvc tubing does not need to be raised above ground level but rather be just laid on the ground to preheat the seawater. at the conversion site, you'd have multiple evaporation chambers made out of black plastic funnels, one normally upright beneath one inverted (so narrow part pointing straight up) and tied together using black ducktape perhaps. problem 1 is maintaining a stable water level in the lower (upright, narrow part of the funnel pointing down) funnels, and bringing new seawater to those lower funnels over terrain that varies in height aswell (potentially for several miles).. problem 2 is the condensation of vaporized freshwater from the 2-funnels devices back into liquid form for transportation to a farming area (which is suspect are pentiful), any area that could be farmed if it would receive a stable freshwater supply.. this idea is copylefted and donated to humanity by me. you are free to implement it entirely on your own and perhaps even turn it into a business where you take a modest percentage of revenue (the food output) to make the thing economically sustainable and interesting-to-scale-up..

What Egyptian lands are you speaking of?

Jerusalem is completely controlled by massive Jewish population on all 4 sides
They ain’t getting Jerusalem back nor should they

Jordan is the only other state in the region who made a claim for it, and they ceded that claim in the 1990's, along with the rest of the West Bank. What some gangsters want to claim is of no interest or validity.

it wasn't Jordan's to cede... They simply administered it along with East Jerusalem.

So what? They dropped any claims they had to it, and they're the real 'Palestinian state', not your thugsters running Hamas and the PLA.

Palestine was a province of Syria as far back as 500 BC.. Have you read Herodotus? It was called Syria-Palestine.. Chaucer and Shakespeare also mention Palestine.

Do you remember the West Bank before Israel attacked Egypt in 1967? Do you remember the Almond Trees and Pomegranates, and ancient Olive groves. Some of those olive trees were 500 years old and they weren't watered and tended by Europeans.

How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas - WSJ
https://www.wsj.com › articles › SB123275572295011847
Israel cooperated with a crippled, half-blind cleric named Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, even as he was laying the foundations for what would become Hamas.

Um, Herodotus coined the word palestine (palaistine), he didn’t discover a place called palestine. He wasn’t the Greek Christopher Columbus. So, palaistine existed in his book but not in reality. Sorry to confuse you with facts.

Herodotus didn't make it up.. It was called Palestine even when Egypt controlled Sina and Canaan during the Exodus.

No it wasn't, stop making things up.

And what difference does it make how Greeks called a land on another continent,
if those who today falsely appropriate the name, can't even pronounce it?

Ancient Greeks generally called the country Judea, signifying land of the Jews. Romans, too. Persians called it Yehud. Herodotus used the name palaistine referring to the Mediterranean coast formerly occupied by philistines, who were also from the Greek world like Herodotus. It wasn‘t palestine as people generally think of it.

Fellahin has nothing to do with Philistines and there's no P in Arabic. Hebrew is derived from Canaanite.. so Jordan makes sense.

Arabs call the country Jordan, an English word, not palestine because no place palestine existed for Arabs. When the Jordanians seized Judea and Samaria in the ‘48 War, they called the land West Bank, also not palestine.

The Jews were not given The West Bank or East Jerusalem or the Golan Heights or the Shaaba Farms in 1948. Chaim Wiezman was very disappointed.

Remember Palestine had stamps, currency and newspapers and it was called Palestine in all the documents found at the Avalon Project, Yale. In any case, the Arab Jews were a tiny minority up in until 1930. You can't erase the Muslim or Christian Arabs..

The newspaper Filastin was owned by Arabs who were Greek Orthodox Christian, a small minority—-They obtained the name from their European Christian co-religionists who coined the name palestine.

 

[surada]

I have some ideas about the entrenched, painful, conflict between the Isrealis and the Palestinians.

I took a look at the map, and figured out a possible solution.
It would require the Palestinians to be content with building new homes and farmland (powered by Israeli supplied water[1]), and for the Egyptians to sell some of the land that borders with Israel to Israel and Palestine.

This would start by the Palestinians moving some of their farmland and residences to the South of the current West Bank region, and later into what are now Egyptian lands bordering Israel.

In return, the Palestinians would get prolonged peace and a unified strip of land, the Israelis would get room to expand (into the West Bank, and later towards the south of the West Bank too), and the Egyptians would get international credit, and money (supplied by both the Israelis, and Palestinian farm products).

[1] Freshwater (industrial scale) from seawater, on sunlight | Physics Forums - The Fusion of Science and Community

i have this idea to produce fresh water for farming and all the other uses of fresh water, from seawater, on sunlight, using mostly/only off-the-shelf parts.. i am currently not able to pursue this idea myself due to financial constraints, so i thought i'd float the idea here looking for some constructive feedback.. i'm also not a mechanical engineer, i have studied software engineering, so i have a couple of specific hurdles with the engineering that i'd like your feedback on.. it starts with pvc tubing bringing seawater to a desert/climatically-hot area.. the pvc tubing does not need to be raised above ground level but rather be just laid on the ground to preheat the seawater. at the conversion site, you'd have multiple evaporation chambers made out of black plastic funnels, one normally upright beneath one inverted (so narrow part pointing straight up) and tied together using black ducktape perhaps. problem 1 is maintaining a stable water level in the lower (upright, narrow part of the funnel pointing down) funnels, and bringing new seawater to those lower funnels over terrain that varies in height aswell (potentially for several miles).. problem 2 is the condensation of vaporized freshwater from the 2-funnels devices back into liquid form for transportation to a farming area (which is suspect are pentiful), any area that could be farmed if it would receive a stable freshwater supply.. this idea is copylefted and donated to humanity by me. you are free to implement it entirely on your own and perhaps even turn it into a business where you take a modest percentage of revenue (the food output) to make the thing economically sustainable and interesting-to-scale-up..

What Egyptian lands are you speaking of?

Jerusalem is completely controlled by massive Jewish population on all 4 sides
They ain’t getting Jerusalem back nor should they

Jordan is the only other state in the region who made a claim for it, and they ceded that claim in the 1990's, along with the rest of the West Bank. What some gangsters want to claim is of no interest or validity.

it wasn't Jordan's to cede... They simply administered it along with East Jerusalem.

So what? They dropped any claims they had to it, and they're the real 'Palestinian state', not your thugsters running Hamas and the PLA.

Palestine was a province of Syria as far back as 500 BC.. Have you read Herodotus? It was called Syria-Palestine.. Chaucer and Shakespeare also mention Palestine.

Do you remember the West Bank before Israel attacked Egypt in 1967? Do you remember the Almond Trees and Pomegranates, and ancient Olive groves. Some of those olive trees were 500 years old and they weren't watered and tended by Europeans.

How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas - WSJ
https://www.wsj.com › articles › SB123275572295011847
Israel cooperated with a crippled, half-blind cleric named Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, even as he was laying the foundations for what would become Hamas.

Um, Herodotus coined the word palestine (palaistine), he didn’t discover a place called palestine. He wasn’t the Greek Christopher Columbus. So, palaistine existed in his book but not in reality. Sorry to confuse you with facts.

Herodotus didn't make it up.. It was called Palestine even when Egypt controlled Sina and Canaan during the Exodus.

No it wasn't, stop making things up.

And what difference does it make how Greeks called a land on another continent,
if those who today falsely appropriate the name, can't even pronounce it?

Ancient Greeks generally called the country Judea, signifying land of the Jews. Romans, too. Persians called it Yehud. Herodotus used the name palaistine referring to the Mediterranean coast formerly occupied by philistines, who were also from the Greek world like Herodotus. It wasn‘t palestine as people generally think of it.

Fellahin has nothing to do with Philistines and there's no P in Arabic. Hebrew is derived from Canaanite.. so Jordan makes sense.

Indeed there's no 'P' in Arabic,
and the word 'Palestine' has no root nor meaning in their language.

Now explain this -

the approximately 1 million Jews who returned from Arab countries,
and who's main language was Arabic, could effortlessly pronounce 'P'.

Yet the approximately 1 million Arabs who claim to have owned and fled the country,
NONE of them can pronounce 'P-alestine' without learning a foreign language.

How do You explain that absurdity?

Hebrew was largely a dead language until 1948 when the Israelis set up language schools for the immigrants and refugees. The Ottomans owned most of the land.. although the Jewish immigrants had bought 6% of the land by 1948.

 

[Lee Edwin]

I have some ideas about the entrenched, painful, conflict between the Isrealis and the Palestinians.

I took a look at the map, and figured out a possible solution.
It would require the Palestinians to be content with building new homes and farmland (powered by Israeli supplied water[1]), and for the Egyptians to sell some of the land that borders with Israel to Israel and Palestine.

This would start by the Palestinians moving some of their farmland and residences to the South of the current West Bank region, and later into what are now Egyptian lands bordering Israel.

In return, the Palestinians would get prolonged peace and a unified strip of land, the Israelis would get room to expand (into the West Bank, and later towards the south of the West Bank too), and the Egyptians would get international credit, and money (supplied by both the Israelis, and Palestinian farm products).

[1] Freshwater (industrial scale) from seawater, on sunlight | Physics Forums - The Fusion of Science and Community

i have this idea to produce fresh water for farming and all the other uses of fresh water, from seawater, on sunlight, using mostly/only off-the-shelf parts.. i am currently not able to pursue this idea myself due to financial constraints, so i thought i'd float the idea here looking for some constructive feedback.. i'm also not a mechanical engineer, i have studied software engineering, so i have a couple of specific hurdles with the engineering that i'd like your feedback on.. it starts with pvc tubing bringing seawater to a desert/climatically-hot area.. the pvc tubing does not need to be raised above ground level but rather be just laid on the ground to preheat the seawater. at the conversion site, you'd have multiple evaporation chambers made out of black plastic funnels, one normally upright beneath one inverted (so narrow part pointing straight up) and tied together using black ducktape perhaps. problem 1 is maintaining a stable water level in the lower (upright, narrow part of the funnel pointing down) funnels, and bringing new seawater to those lower funnels over terrain that varies in height aswell (potentially for several miles).. problem 2 is the condensation of vaporized freshwater from the 2-funnels devices back into liquid form for transportation to a farming area (which is suspect are pentiful), any area that could be farmed if it would receive a stable freshwater supply.. this idea is copylefted and donated to humanity by me. you are free to implement it entirely on your own and perhaps even turn it into a business where you take a modest percentage of revenue (the food output) to make the thing economically sustainable and interesting-to-scale-up..

What Egyptian lands are you speaking of?

Jerusalem is completely controlled by massive Jewish population on all 4 sides
They ain’t getting Jerusalem back nor should they

Jordan is the only other state in the region who made a claim for it, and they ceded that claim in the 1990's, along with the rest of the West Bank. What some gangsters want to claim is of no interest or validity.

it wasn't Jordan's to cede... They simply administered it along with East Jerusalem.

So what? They dropped any claims they had to it, and they're the real 'Palestinian state', not your thugsters running Hamas and the PLA.

Palestine was a province of Syria as far back as 500 BC.. Have you read Herodotus? It was called Syria-Palestine.. Chaucer and Shakespeare also mention Palestine.

Do you remember the West Bank before Israel attacked Egypt in 1967? Do you remember the Almond Trees and Pomegranates, and ancient Olive groves. Some of those olive trees were 500 years old and they weren't watered and tended by Europeans.

How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas - WSJ
https://www.wsj.com › articles › SB123275572295011847
Israel cooperated with a crippled, half-blind cleric named Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, even as he was laying the foundations for what would become Hamas.

Um, Herodotus coined the word palestine (palaistine), he didn’t discover a place called palestine. He wasn’t the Greek Christopher Columbus. So, palaistine existed in his book but not in reality. Sorry to confuse you with facts.

Herodotus didn't make it up.. It was called Palestine even when Egypt controlled Sina and Canaan during the Exodus.

No it wasn't, stop making things up.

And what difference does it make how Greeks called a land on another continent,
if those who today falsely appropriate the name, can't even pronounce it?

Ancient Greeks generally called the country Judea, signifying land of the Jews. Romans, too. Persians called it Yehud. Herodotus used the name palaistine referring to the Mediterranean coast formerly occupied by philistines, who were also from the Greek world like Herodotus. It wasn‘t palestine as people generally think of it.

Fellahin has nothing to do with Philistines and there's no P in Arabic. Hebrew is derived from Canaanite.. so Jordan makes sense.

Indeed there's no 'P' in Arabic,
and the word 'Palestine' has no root nor meaning in their language.

Now explain this -

the approximately 1 million Jews who returned from Arab countries,
and who's main language was Arabic, could effortlessly pronounce 'P'.

Yet the approximately 1 million Arabs who claim to have owned and fled the country,
NONE of them can pronounce 'P-alestine' without learning a foreign language.

How do You explain that absurdity?

There wasn’t any entity palestine in the Ottoman Empire. Arabs viewed the country as Syria or Sham in Arabic. Palestine was viewed by Arabs and Muslims as a Western invention created with Zionists. There are travel posters from back in the day to come to palestine, and they were created by a Jewish Israeli.

 

[rylah]

I have some ideas about the entrenched, painful, conflict between the Isrealis and the Palestinians.

I took a look at the map, and figured out a possible solution.
It would require the Palestinians to be content with building new homes and farmland (powered by Israeli supplied water[1]), and for the Egyptians to sell some of the land that borders with Israel to Israel and Palestine.

This would start by the Palestinians moving some of their farmland and residences to the South of the current West Bank region, and later into what are now Egyptian lands bordering Israel.

In return, the Palestinians would get prolonged peace and a unified strip of land, the Israelis would get room to expand (into the West Bank, and later towards the south of the West Bank too), and the Egyptians would get international credit, and money (supplied by both the Israelis, and Palestinian farm products).

[1] Freshwater (industrial scale) from seawater, on sunlight | Physics Forums - The Fusion of Science and Community

i have this idea to produce fresh water for farming and all the other uses of fresh water, from seawater, on sunlight, using mostly/only off-the-shelf parts.. i am currently not able to pursue this idea myself due to financial constraints, so i thought i'd float the idea here looking for some constructive feedback.. i'm also not a mechanical engineer, i have studied software engineering, so i have a couple of specific hurdles with the engineering that i'd like your feedback on.. it starts with pvc tubing bringing seawater to a desert/climatically-hot area.. the pvc tubing does not need to be raised above ground level but rather be just laid on the ground to preheat the seawater. at the conversion site, you'd have multiple evaporation chambers made out of black plastic funnels, one normally upright beneath one inverted (so narrow part pointing straight up) and tied together using black ducktape perhaps. problem 1 is maintaining a stable water level in the lower (upright, narrow part of the funnel pointing down) funnels, and bringing new seawater to those lower funnels over terrain that varies in height aswell (potentially for several miles).. problem 2 is the condensation of vaporized freshwater from the 2-funnels devices back into liquid form for transportation to a farming area (which is suspect are pentiful), any area that could be farmed if it would receive a stable freshwater supply.. this idea is copylefted and donated to humanity by me. you are free to implement it entirely on your own and perhaps even turn it into a business where you take a modest percentage of revenue (the food output) to make the thing economically sustainable and interesting-to-scale-up..

What Egyptian lands are you speaking of?

Jerusalem is completely controlled by massive Jewish population on all 4 sides
They ain’t getting Jerusalem back nor should they

Jordan is the only other state in the region who made a claim for it, and they ceded that claim in the 1990's, along with the rest of the West Bank. What some gangsters want to claim is of no interest or validity.

it wasn't Jordan's to cede... They simply administered it along with East Jerusalem.

So what? They dropped any claims they had to it, and they're the real 'Palestinian state', not your thugsters running Hamas and the PLA.

Palestine was a province of Syria as far back as 500 BC.. Have you read Herodotus? It was called Syria-Palestine.. Chaucer and Shakespeare also mention Palestine.

Do you remember the West Bank before Israel attacked Egypt in 1967? Do you remember the Almond Trees and Pomegranates, and ancient Olive groves. Some of those olive trees were 500 years old and they weren't watered and tended by Europeans.

How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas - WSJ
https://www.wsj.com › articles › SB123275572295011847
Israel cooperated with a crippled, half-blind cleric named Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, even as he was laying the foundations for what would become Hamas.

Um, Herodotus coined the word palestine (palaistine), he didn’t discover a place called palestine. He wasn’t the Greek Christopher Columbus. So, palaistine existed in his book but not in reality. Sorry to confuse you with facts.

Herodotus didn't make it up.. It was called Palestine even when Egypt controlled Sina and Canaan during the Exodus.

No it wasn't, stop making things up.

And what difference does it make how Greeks called a land on another continent,
if those who today falsely appropriate the name, can't even pronounce it?

Ancient Greeks generally called the country Judea, signifying land of the Jews. Romans, too. Persians called it Yehud. Herodotus used the name palaistine referring to the Mediterranean coast formerly occupied by philistines, who were also from the Greek world like Herodotus. It wasn‘t palestine as people generally think of it.

Fellahin has nothing to do with Philistines and there's no P in Arabic. Hebrew is derived from Canaanite.. so Jordan makes sense.

Indeed there's no 'P' in Arabic,
and the word 'Palestine' has no root nor meaning in their language.

Now explain this -

the approximately 1 million Jews who returned from Arab countries,
and who's main language was Arabic, could effortlessly pronounce 'P'.

Yet the approximately 1 million Arabs who claim to have owned and fled the country,
NONE of them can pronounce 'P-alestine' without learning a foreign language.

How do You explain that absurdity?

Hebrew was largely a dead language until 1948 when the Israelis set up language schools for the immigrants and refugees. The Ottomans owned most of the land.. although the Jewish immigrants had bought 6% of the land by 1948.

So if Hebrew was a dead language,
this only makes my question even stronger -

how come Jews who lived in Arab occupied lands,
and spoke Arabic, could pronounce 'P-alestine',
but none of Arabs occupying Palestine could?

 

[Lee Edwin]

I have some ideas about the entrenched, painful, conflict between the Isrealis and the Palestinians.

I took a look at the map, and figured out a possible solution.
It would require the Palestinians to be content with building new homes and farmland (powered by Israeli supplied water[1]), and for the Egyptians to sell some of the land that borders with Israel to Israel and Palestine.

This would start by the Palestinians moving some of their farmland and residences to the South of the current West Bank region, and later into what are now Egyptian lands bordering Israel.

In return, the Palestinians would get prolonged peace and a unified strip of land, the Israelis would get room to expand (into the West Bank, and later towards the south of the West Bank too), and the Egyptians would get international credit, and money (supplied by both the Israelis, and Palestinian farm products).

[1] Freshwater (industrial scale) from seawater, on sunlight | Physics Forums - The Fusion of Science and Community

i have this idea to produce fresh water for farming and all the other uses of fresh water, from seawater, on sunlight, using mostly/only off-the-shelf parts.. i am currently not able to pursue this idea myself due to financial constraints, so i thought i'd float the idea here looking for some constructive feedback.. i'm also not a mechanical engineer, i have studied software engineering, so i have a couple of specific hurdles with the engineering that i'd like your feedback on.. it starts with pvc tubing bringing seawater to a desert/climatically-hot area.. the pvc tubing does not need to be raised above ground level but rather be just laid on the ground to preheat the seawater. at the conversion site, you'd have multiple evaporation chambers made out of black plastic funnels, one normally upright beneath one inverted (so narrow part pointing straight up) and tied together using black ducktape perhaps. problem 1 is maintaining a stable water level in the lower (upright, narrow part of the funnel pointing down) funnels, and bringing new seawater to those lower funnels over terrain that varies in height aswell (potentially for several miles).. problem 2 is the condensation of vaporized freshwater from the 2-funnels devices back into liquid form for transportation to a farming area (which is suspect are pentiful), any area that could be farmed if it would receive a stable freshwater supply.. this idea is copylefted and donated to humanity by me. you are free to implement it entirely on your own and perhaps even turn it into a business where you take a modest percentage of revenue (the food output) to make the thing economically sustainable and interesting-to-scale-up..

What Egyptian lands are you speaking of?

Jerusalem is completely controlled by massive Jewish population on all 4 sides
They ain’t getting Jerusalem back nor should they

Jordan is the only other state in the region who made a claim for it, and they ceded that claim in the 1990's, along with the rest of the West Bank. What some gangsters want to claim is of no interest or validity.

it wasn't Jordan's to cede... They simply administered it along with East Jerusalem.

So what? They dropped any claims they had to it, and they're the real 'Palestinian state', not your thugsters running Hamas and the PLA.

Palestine was a province of Syria as far back as 500 BC.. Have you read Herodotus? It was called Syria-Palestine.. Chaucer and Shakespeare also mention Palestine.

Do you remember the West Bank before Israel attacked Egypt in 1967? Do you remember the Almond Trees and Pomegranates, and ancient Olive groves. Some of those olive trees were 500 years old and they weren't watered and tended by Europeans.

How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas - WSJ
https://www.wsj.com › articles › SB123275572295011847
Israel cooperated with a crippled, half-blind cleric named Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, even as he was laying the foundations for what would become Hamas.

Um, Herodotus coined the word palestine (palaistine), he didn’t discover a place called palestine. He wasn’t the Greek Christopher Columbus. So, palaistine existed in his book but not in reality. Sorry to confuse you with facts.

Herodotus didn't make it up.. It was called Palestine even when Egypt controlled Sina and Canaan during the Exodus.

No it wasn't, stop making things up.

And what difference does it make how Greeks called a land on another continent,
if those who today falsely appropriate the name, can't even pronounce it?

Ancient Greeks generally called the country Judea, signifying land of the Jews. Romans, too. Persians called it Yehud. Herodotus used the name palaistine referring to the Mediterranean coast formerly occupied by philistines, who were also from the Greek world like Herodotus. It wasn‘t palestine as people generally think of it.

Fellahin has nothing to do with Philistines and there's no P in Arabic. Hebrew is derived from Canaanite.. so Jordan makes sense.

Indeed there's no 'P' in Arabic,
and the word 'Palestine' has no root nor meaning in their language.

Now explain this -

the approximately 1 million Jews who returned from Arab countries,
and who's main language was Arabic, could effortlessly pronounce 'P'.

Yet the approximately 1 million Arabs who claim to have owned and fled the country,
NONE of them can pronounce 'P-alestine' without learning a foreign language.

How do You explain that absurdity?

Hebrew was largely a dead language until 1948 when the Israelis set up language schools for the immigrants and refugees. The Ottomans owned most of the land.. although the Jewish immigrants had bought 6% of the land by 1948.

So if Hebrew was a dead language,
this only makes my question even stronger -

how come Jews who lived in Arab occupied lands,
and spoke Arabic, could pronounce 'P-alestine',
but none of Arabs occupying Palestine could?

Jews called the country Eretz Yisrael, land of Israel. European Jews like Herzl used the name palestine because that was the standard name known to Europeans like Balfour.

 

[Taz]

I have some ideas about the entrenched, painful, conflict between the Isrealis and the Palestinians.

I took a look at the map, and figured out a possible solution.
It would require the Palestinians to be content with building new homes and farmland (powered by Israeli supplied water[1]), and for the Egyptians to sell some of the land that borders with Israel to Israel and Palestine.

This would start by the Palestinians moving some of their farmland and residences to the South of the current West Bank region, and later into what are now Egyptian lands bordering Israel.

In return, the Palestinians would get prolonged peace and a unified strip of land, the Israelis would get room to expand (into the West Bank, and later towards the south of the West Bank too), and the Egyptians would get international credit, and money (supplied by both the Israelis, and Palestinian farm products).

[1] Freshwater (industrial scale) from seawater, on sunlight | Physics Forums - The Fusion of Science and Community

i have this idea to produce fresh water for farming and all the other uses of fresh water, from seawater, on sunlight, using mostly/only off-the-shelf parts.. i am currently not able to pursue this idea myself due to financial constraints, so i thought i'd float the idea here looking for some constructive feedback.. i'm also not a mechanical engineer, i have studied software engineering, so i have a couple of specific hurdles with the engineering that i'd like your feedback on.. it starts with pvc tubing bringing seawater to a desert/climatically-hot area.. the pvc tubing does not need to be raised above ground level but rather be just laid on the ground to preheat the seawater. at the conversion site, you'd have multiple evaporation chambers made out of black plastic funnels, one normally upright beneath one inverted (so narrow part pointing straight up) and tied together using black ducktape perhaps. problem 1 is maintaining a stable water level in the lower (upright, narrow part of the funnel pointing down) funnels, and bringing new seawater to those lower funnels over terrain that varies in height aswell (potentially for several miles).. problem 2 is the condensation of vaporized freshwater from the 2-funnels devices back into liquid form for transportation to a farming area (which is suspect are pentiful), any area that could be farmed if it would receive a stable freshwater supply.. this idea is copylefted and donated to humanity by me. you are free to implement it entirely on your own and perhaps even turn it into a business where you take a modest percentage of revenue (the food output) to make the thing economically sustainable and interesting-to-scale-up..

What Egyptian lands are you speaking of?

Jerusalem is completely controlled by massive Jewish population on all 4 sides
They ain’t getting Jerusalem back nor should they

Jordan is the only other state in the region who made a claim for it, and they ceded that claim in the 1990's, along with the rest of the West Bank. What some gangsters want to claim is of no interest or validity.

it wasn't Jordan's to cede... They simply administered it along with East Jerusalem.

So what? They dropped any claims they had to it, and they're the real 'Palestinian state', not your thugsters running Hamas and the PLA.

Palestine was a province of Syria as far back as 500 BC.. Have you read Herodotus? It was called Syria-Palestine.. Chaucer and Shakespeare also mention Palestine.

Do you remember the West Bank before Israel attacked Egypt in 1967? Do you remember the Almond Trees and Pomegranates, and ancient Olive groves. Some of those olive trees were 500 years old and they weren't watered and tended by Europeans.

How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas - WSJ
https://www.wsj.com › articles › SB123275572295011847
Israel cooperated with a crippled, half-blind cleric named Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, even as he was laying the foundations for what would become Hamas.

Um, Herodotus coined the word palestine (palaistine), he didn’t discover a place called palestine. He wasn’t the Greek Christopher Columbus. So, palaistine existed in his book but not in reality. Sorry to confuse you with facts.

Herodotus didn't make it up.. It was called Palestine even when Egypt controlled Sina and Canaan during the Exodus.

Herodotus made up the name palaistine, a Greek word. Palestine is the anglicized version.

I have some ideas about the entrenched, painful, conflict between the Isrealis and the Palestinians.

I took a look at the map, and figured out a possible solution.
It would require the Palestinians to be content with building new homes and farmland (powered by Israeli supplied water[1]), and for the Egyptians to sell some of the land that borders with Israel to Israel and Palestine.

This would start by the Palestinians moving some of their farmland and residences to the South of the current West Bank region, and later into what are now Egyptian lands bordering Israel.

In return, the Palestinians would get prolonged peace and a unified strip of land, the Israelis would get room to expand (into the West Bank, and later towards the south of the West Bank too), and the Egyptians would get international credit, and money (supplied by both the Israelis, and Palestinian farm products).

[1] Freshwater (industrial scale) from seawater, on sunlight | Physics Forums - The Fusion of Science and Community

i have this idea to produce fresh water for farming and all the other uses of fresh water, from seawater, on sunlight, using mostly/only off-the-shelf parts.. i am currently not able to pursue this idea myself due to financial constraints, so i thought i'd float the idea here looking for some constructive feedback.. i'm also not a mechanical engineer, i have studied software engineering, so i have a couple of specific hurdles with the engineering that i'd like your feedback on.. it starts with pvc tubing bringing seawater to a desert/climatically-hot area.. the pvc tubing does not need to be raised above ground level but rather be just laid on the ground to preheat the seawater. at the conversion site, you'd have multiple evaporation chambers made out of black plastic funnels, one normally upright beneath one inverted (so narrow part pointing straight up) and tied together using black ducktape perhaps. problem 1 is maintaining a stable water level in the lower (upright, narrow part of the funnel pointing down) funnels, and bringing new seawater to those lower funnels over terrain that varies in height aswell (potentially for several miles).. problem 2 is the condensation of vaporized freshwater from the 2-funnels devices back into liquid form for transportation to a farming area (which is suspect are pentiful), any area that could be farmed if it would receive a stable freshwater supply.. this idea is copylefted and donated to humanity by me. you are free to implement it entirely on your own and perhaps even turn it into a business where you take a modest percentage of revenue (the food output) to make the thing economically sustainable and interesting-to-scale-up..

I have a better idea, boot all the Pals over to Jordan and renamed it Palestine, or whatever those sand monkeys want.

You can't do that.. Palestinians have lived in Palestine for a thousand years and Arabs have lived there since Abraham .. long before Islam. In fact, Sargon 2 settled 4 Arab tribes in Samaria circa 500 BC. Palestine was a province of Syria since before 500 BC. Remember? Vespasian's legions were stationed in Syria in 66 AD and made up of Arabs, Greeks, Egyptians.

Stop living in the past, the Pals would get all of Jordan, a much better deal than what they have now.

Jordan has already taken in many, many Palestinians driven out of Jerusalem the West Bank and the Negev since 1948 and 1967... They have also taken in refugees from US adventures in Lebanon, Iraq and Syria.

How would you like it if the US population doubled with foreign refugees who were willing to let you live on 1/3 of your property?

The difference is, the Pals were beaten, badly, over and over. It's time they recognized their losses and move on. They would be much better off in Jordan.

Yep.. those Palestinian peasant farmers had no army or weapons.

It's over, time to move on. And for the Pals, that should be in Jordan. They can have it all. Nothing but sand toads there right now.

You've never been to Jordan, have you?

All the time, why?

 

[Hollie]

I have some ideas about the entrenched, painful, conflict between the Isrealis and the Palestinians.

I took a look at the map, and figured out a possible solution.
It would require the Palestinians to be content with building new homes and farmland (powered by Israeli supplied water[1]), and for the Egyptians to sell some of the land that borders with Israel to Israel and Palestine.

This would start by the Palestinians moving some of their farmland and residences to the South of the current West Bank region, and later into what are now Egyptian lands bordering Israel.

In return, the Palestinians would get prolonged peace and a unified strip of land, the Israelis would get room to expand (into the West Bank, and later towards the south of the West Bank too), and the Egyptians would get international credit, and money (supplied by both the Israelis, and Palestinian farm products).

[1] Freshwater (industrial scale) from seawater, on sunlight | Physics Forums - The Fusion of Science and Community

i have this idea to produce fresh water for farming and all the other uses of fresh water, from seawater, on sunlight, using mostly/only off-the-shelf parts.. i am currently not able to pursue this idea myself due to financial constraints, so i thought i'd float the idea here looking for some constructive feedback.. i'm also not a mechanical engineer, i have studied software engineering, so i have a couple of specific hurdles with the engineering that i'd like your feedback on.. it starts with pvc tubing bringing seawater to a desert/climatically-hot area.. the pvc tubing does not need to be raised above ground level but rather be just laid on the ground to preheat the seawater. at the conversion site, you'd have multiple evaporation chambers made out of black plastic funnels, one normally upright beneath one inverted (so narrow part pointing straight up) and tied together using black ducktape perhaps. problem 1 is maintaining a stable water level in the lower (upright, narrow part of the funnel pointing down) funnels, and bringing new seawater to those lower funnels over terrain that varies in height aswell (potentially for several miles).. problem 2 is the condensation of vaporized freshwater from the 2-funnels devices back into liquid form for transportation to a farming area (which is suspect are pentiful), any area that could be farmed if it would receive a stable freshwater supply.. this idea is copylefted and donated to humanity by me. you are free to implement it entirely on your own and perhaps even turn it into a business where you take a modest percentage of revenue (the food output) to make the thing economically sustainable and interesting-to-scale-up..

The Arabs-Moslems masquerading as Pal’istanians could have peace now if that is what they wanted. They still refuse it. They could have had peace 70 years ago but refused it then.

Arab-Moslem intransigence, the built-in Jew hatreds that are a part of Islamic ideology and the tribal social mores of the culture all coalesced to give them what they deserve.

 

[Coyote]

This would start by the Palestinians moving some of their farmland and residences to the South of the current West Bank region`

You can not "move" farm land.

and later into what are now Egyptian lands bordering Israel.

Now this zion wants to start a war by invading Egypt.

Nut jobes should write down what they are going to say, read it three (3) times and then make the appropriate changes, then post.

Otherwise, it sounds like you are from cook-koo land.

-

Sina is a pretty harsh place. Its high desert. .. not much water or grazing land.. Its about130 miles across at its widest point.. and has a population of 600,000. Plus you're talking about taking land from the Egyptians to solve Israel's problem. Have you been there?

Ya, I have a hard time visualizing people wanting to move from workable farmland to high desert that is already inhabited.

 

[Lee Edwin]

I have some ideas about the entrenched, painful, conflict between the Isrealis and the Palestinians.

I took a look at the map, and figured out a possible solution.
It would require the Palestinians to be content with building new homes and farmland (powered by Israeli supplied water[1]), and for the Egyptians to sell some of the land that borders with Israel to Israel and Palestine.

This would start by the Palestinians moving some of their farmland and residences to the South of the current West Bank region, and later into what are now Egyptian lands bordering Israel.

In return, the Palestinians would get prolonged peace and a unified strip of land, the Israelis would get room to expand (into the West Bank, and later towards the south of the West Bank too), and the Egyptians would get international credit, and money (supplied by both the Israelis, and Palestinian farm products).

[1] Freshwater (industrial scale) from seawater, on sunlight | Physics Forums - The Fusion of Science and Community

i have this idea to produce fresh water for farming and all the other uses of fresh water, from seawater, on sunlight, using mostly/only off-the-shelf parts.. i am currently not able to pursue this idea myself due to financial constraints, so i thought i'd float the idea here looking for some constructive feedback.. i'm also not a mechanical engineer, i have studied software engineering, so i have a couple of specific hurdles with the engineering that i'd like your feedback on.. it starts with pvc tubing bringing seawater to a desert/climatically-hot area.. the pvc tubing does not need to be raised above ground level but rather be just laid on the ground to preheat the seawater. at the conversion site, you'd have multiple evaporation chambers made out of black plastic funnels, one normally upright beneath one inverted (so narrow part pointing straight up) and tied together using black ducktape perhaps. problem 1 is maintaining a stable water level in the lower (upright, narrow part of the funnel pointing down) funnels, and bringing new seawater to those lower funnels over terrain that varies in height aswell (potentially for several miles).. problem 2 is the condensation of vaporized freshwater from the 2-funnels devices back into liquid form for transportation to a farming area (which is suspect are pentiful), any area that could be farmed if it would receive a stable freshwater supply.. this idea is copylefted and donated to humanity by me. you are free to implement it entirely on your own and perhaps even turn it into a business where you take a modest percentage of revenue (the food output) to make the thing economically sustainable and interesting-to-scale-up..

The Arabs-Moslems masquerading as Pal’istanians could have peace now if that is what they wanted. They still refuse it. They could have had peace 70 years ago but refused it then.

Arab-Moslem intransigence, the built-in Jew hatreds that are a part of Islamic ideology and the tribal social mores of the culture all coalesced to give them what they deserve.

Arabs adopted the palestinian identity as anti-Israel propaganda , “longing” for their ancestral homeland palestine that was just a European name for Israel. There will be peace when they renounce this fraudulent ideology...

PLO head honcho in 1977: “Palestinian identity is just a tactical ploy”

There is an amusing story (probably apocryphal) about Zvi Yechezkeli, the Channel 10 Arab Affairs correspondent, giving a lecture at Bir-Zeit University in the West Bank. He starts off with a story…

spinstrangenesscharm.wordpress.com

 

[surada]

 

[Lee Edwin]

Palestine Pound, printed in England by “Thomas De La Rue” printers which is noted at its bottom.

 

[surada]

I have some ideas about the entrenched, painful, conflict between the Isrealis and the Palestinians.

I took a look at the map, and figured out a possible solution.
It would require the Palestinians to be content with building new homes and farmland (powered by Israeli supplied water[1]), and for the Egyptians to sell some of the land that borders with Israel to Israel and Palestine.

This would start by the Palestinians moving some of their farmland and residences to the South of the current West Bank region, and later into what are now Egyptian lands bordering Israel.

In return, the Palestinians would get prolonged peace and a unified strip of land, the Israelis would get room to expand (into the West Bank, and later towards the south of the West Bank too), and the Egyptians would get international credit, and money (supplied by both the Israelis, and Palestinian farm products).

[1] Freshwater (industrial scale) from seawater, on sunlight | Physics Forums - The Fusion of Science and Community

i have this idea to produce fresh water for farming and all the other uses of fresh water, from seawater, on sunlight, using mostly/only off-the-shelf parts.. i am currently not able to pursue this idea myself due to financial constraints, so i thought i'd float the idea here looking for some constructive feedback.. i'm also not a mechanical engineer, i have studied software engineering, so i have a couple of specific hurdles with the engineering that i'd like your feedback on.. it starts with pvc tubing bringing seawater to a desert/climatically-hot area.. the pvc tubing does not need to be raised above ground level but rather be just laid on the ground to preheat the seawater. at the conversion site, you'd have multiple evaporation chambers made out of black plastic funnels, one normally upright beneath one inverted (so narrow part pointing straight up) and tied together using black ducktape perhaps. problem 1 is maintaining a stable water level in the lower (upright, narrow part of the funnel pointing down) funnels, and bringing new seawater to those lower funnels over terrain that varies in height aswell (potentially for several miles).. problem 2 is the condensation of vaporized freshwater from the 2-funnels devices back into liquid form for transportation to a farming area (which is suspect are pentiful), any area that could be farmed if it would receive a stable freshwater supply.. this idea is copylefted and donated to humanity by me. you are free to implement it entirely on your own and perhaps even turn it into a business where you take a modest percentage of revenue (the food output) to make the thing economically sustainable and interesting-to-scale-up..

What Egyptian lands are you speaking of?

Jerusalem is completely controlled by massive Jewish population on all 4 sides
They ain’t getting Jerusalem back nor should they

Jordan is the only other state in the region who made a claim for it, and they ceded that claim in the 1990's, along with the rest of the West Bank. What some gangsters want to claim is of no interest or validity.

it wasn't Jordan's to cede... They simply administered it along with East Jerusalem.

So what? They dropped any claims they had to it, and they're the real 'Palestinian state', not your thugsters running Hamas and the PLA.

Palestine was a province of Syria as far back as 500 BC.. Have you read Herodotus? It was called Syria-Palestine.. Chaucer and Shakespeare also mention Palestine.

Do you remember the West Bank before Israel attacked Egypt in 1967? Do you remember the Almond Trees and Pomegranates, and ancient Olive groves. Some of those olive trees were 500 years old and they weren't watered and tended by Europeans.

How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas - WSJ
https://www.wsj.com › articles › SB123275572295011847
Israel cooperated with a crippled, half-blind cleric named Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, even as he was laying the foundations for what would become Hamas.

Um, Herodotus coined the word palestine (palaistine), he didn’t discover a place called palestine. He wasn’t the Greek Christopher Columbus. So, palaistine existed in his book but not in reality. Sorry to confuse you with facts.

Herodotus didn't make it up.. It was called Palestine even when Egypt controlled Sina and Canaan during the Exodus.

No it wasn't, stop making things up.

And what difference does it make how Greeks called a land on another continent,
if those who today falsely appropriate the name, can't even pronounce it?

Ancient Greeks generally called the country Judea, signifying land of the Jews. Romans, too. Persians called it Yehud. Herodotus used the name palaistine referring to the Mediterranean coast formerly occupied by philistines, who were also from the Greek world like Herodotus. It wasn‘t palestine as people generally think of it.

Fellahin has nothing to do with Philistines and there's no P in Arabic. Hebrew is derived from Canaanite.. so Jordan makes sense.

I have some ideas about the entrenched, painful, conflict between the Isrealis and the Palestinians.

I took a look at the map, and figured out a possible solution.
It would require the Palestinians to be content with building new homes and farmland (powered by Israeli supplied water[1]), and for the Egyptians to sell some of the land that borders with Israel to Israel and Palestine.

This would start by the Palestinians moving some of their farmland and residences to the South of the current West Bank region, and later into what are now Egyptian lands bordering Israel.

In return, the Palestinians would get prolonged peace and a unified strip of land, the Israelis would get room to expand (into the West Bank, and later towards the south of the West Bank too), and the Egyptians would get international credit, and money (supplied by both the Israelis, and Palestinian farm products).

[1] Freshwater (industrial scale) from seawater, on sunlight | Physics Forums - The Fusion of Science and Community

i have this idea to produce fresh water for farming and all the other uses of fresh water, from seawater, on sunlight, using mostly/only off-the-shelf parts.. i am currently not able to pursue this idea myself due to financial constraints, so i thought i'd float the idea here looking for some constructive feedback.. i'm also not a mechanical engineer, i have studied software engineering, so i have a couple of specific hurdles with the engineering that i'd like your feedback on.. it starts with pvc tubing bringing seawater to a desert/climatically-hot area.. the pvc tubing does not need to be raised above ground level but rather be just laid on the ground to preheat the seawater. at the conversion site, you'd have multiple evaporation chambers made out of black plastic funnels, one normally upright beneath one inverted (so narrow part pointing straight up) and tied together using black ducktape perhaps. problem 1 is maintaining a stable water level in the lower (upright, narrow part of the funnel pointing down) funnels, and bringing new seawater to those lower funnels over terrain that varies in height aswell (potentially for several miles).. problem 2 is the condensation of vaporized freshwater from the 2-funnels devices back into liquid form for transportation to a farming area (which is suspect are pentiful), any area that could be farmed if it would receive a stable freshwater supply.. this idea is copylefted and donated to humanity by me. you are free to implement it entirely on your own and perhaps even turn it into a business where you take a modest percentage of revenue (the food output) to make the thing economically sustainable and interesting-to-scale-up..

What Egyptian lands are you speaking of?

Jerusalem is completely controlled by massive Jewish population on all 4 sides
They ain’t getting Jerusalem back nor should they

Jordan is the only other state in the region who made a claim for it, and they ceded that claim in the 1990's, along with the rest of the West Bank. What some gangsters want to claim is of no interest or validity.

it wasn't Jordan's to cede... They simply administered it along with East Jerusalem.

So what? They dropped any claims they had to it, and they're the real 'Palestinian state', not your thugsters running Hamas and the PLA.

Palestine was a province of Syria as far back as 500 BC.. Have you read Herodotus? It was called Syria-Palestine.. Chaucer and Shakespeare also mention Palestine.

Do you remember the West Bank before Israel attacked Egypt in 1967? Do you remember the Almond Trees and Pomegranates, and ancient Olive groves. Some of those olive trees were 500 years old and they weren't watered and tended by Europeans.

How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas - WSJ
https://www.wsj.com › articles › SB123275572295011847
Israel cooperated with a crippled, half-blind cleric named Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, even as he was laying the foundations for what would become Hamas.

Um, Herodotus coined the word palestine (palaistine), he didn’t discover a place called palestine. He wasn’t the Greek Christopher Columbus. So, palaistine existed in his book but not in reality. Sorry to confuse you with facts.

Herodotus didn't make it up.. It was called Palestine even when Egypt controlled Sina and Canaan during the Exodus.

No it wasn't, stop making things up.

And what difference does it make how Greeks called a land on another continent,
if those who today falsely appropriate the name, can't even pronounce it?

Ancient Greeks generally called the country Judea, signifying land of the Jews. Romans, too. Persians called it Yehud. Herodotus used the name palaistine referring to the Mediterranean coast formerly occupied by philistines, who were also from the Greek world like Herodotus. It wasn‘t palestine as people generally think of it.

Fellahin has nothing to do with Philistines and there's no P in Arabic. Hebrew is derived from Canaanite.. so Jordan makes sense.

Arabs call the country Jordan, an English word, not palestine because no place palestine existed for Arabs. When the Jordanians seized Judea and Samaria in the ‘48 War, they called the land West Bank, also not palestine.

The Jews were not given The West Bank or East Jerusalem or the Golan Heights or the Shaaba Farms in 1948. Chaim Wiezman was very disappointed.

Remember Palestine had stamps, currency and newspapers and it was called Palestine in all the documents found at the Avalon Project, Yale. In any case, the Arab Jews were a tiny minority up in until 1930. You can't erase the Muslim or Christian Arabs..

The newspaper Filastin was owned by Arabs who were Greek Orthodox Christian, a small minority—-They obtained the name from their European Christian co-religionists who coined the name palestine.

 

[surada]

I have some ideas about the entrenched, painful, conflict between the Isrealis and the Palestinians.

I took a look at the map, and figured out a possible solution.
It would require the Palestinians to be content with building new homes and farmland (powered by Israeli supplied water[1]), and for the Egyptians to sell some of the land that borders with Israel to Israel and Palestine.

This would start by the Palestinians moving some of their farmland and residences to the South of the current West Bank region, and later into what are now Egyptian lands bordering Israel.

In return, the Palestinians would get prolonged peace and a unified strip of land, the Israelis would get room to expand (into the West Bank, and later towards the south of the West Bank too), and the Egyptians would get international credit, and money (supplied by both the Israelis, and Palestinian farm products).

[1] Freshwater (industrial scale) from seawater, on sunlight | Physics Forums - The Fusion of Science and Community

i have this idea to produce fresh water for farming and all the other uses of fresh water, from seawater, on sunlight, using mostly/only off-the-shelf parts.. i am currently not able to pursue this idea myself due to financial constraints, so i thought i'd float the idea here looking for some constructive feedback.. i'm also not a mechanical engineer, i have studied software engineering, so i have a couple of specific hurdles with the engineering that i'd like your feedback on.. it starts with pvc tubing bringing seawater to a desert/climatically-hot area.. the pvc tubing does not need to be raised above ground level but rather be just laid on the ground to preheat the seawater. at the conversion site, you'd have multiple evaporation chambers made out of black plastic funnels, one normally upright beneath one inverted (so narrow part pointing straight up) and tied together using black ducktape perhaps. problem 1 is maintaining a stable water level in the lower (upright, narrow part of the funnel pointing down) funnels, and bringing new seawater to those lower funnels over terrain that varies in height aswell (potentially for several miles).. problem 2 is the condensation of vaporized freshwater from the 2-funnels devices back into liquid form for transportation to a farming area (which is suspect are pentiful), any area that could be farmed if it would receive a stable freshwater supply.. this idea is copylefted and donated to humanity by me. you are free to implement it entirely on your own and perhaps even turn it into a business where you take a modest percentage of revenue (the food output) to make the thing economically sustainable and interesting-to-scale-up..

What Egyptian lands are you speaking of?

Jerusalem is completely controlled by massive Jewish population on all 4 sides
They ain’t getting Jerusalem back nor should they

Jordan is the only other state in the region who made a claim for it, and they ceded that claim in the 1990's, along with the rest of the West Bank. What some gangsters want to claim is of no interest or validity.

it wasn't Jordan's to cede... They simply administered it along with East Jerusalem.

So what? They dropped any claims they had to it, and they're the real 'Palestinian state', not your thugsters running Hamas and the PLA.

Palestine was a province of Syria as far back as 500 BC.. Have you read Herodotus? It was called Syria-Palestine.. Chaucer and Shakespeare also mention Palestine.

Do you remember the West Bank before Israel attacked Egypt in 1967? Do you remember the Almond Trees and Pomegranates, and ancient Olive groves. Some of those olive trees were 500 years old and they weren't watered and tended by Europeans.

How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas - WSJ
https://www.wsj.com › articles › SB123275572295011847
Israel cooperated with a crippled, half-blind cleric named Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, even as he was laying the foundations for what would become Hamas.

Um, Herodotus coined the word palestine (palaistine), he didn’t discover a place called palestine. He wasn’t the Greek Christopher Columbus. So, palaistine existed in his book but not in reality. Sorry to confuse you with facts.

Herodotus didn't make it up.. It was called Palestine even when Egypt controlled Sina and Canaan during the Exodus.

No it wasn't, stop making things up.

And what difference does it make how Greeks called a land on another continent,
if those who today falsely appropriate the name, can't even pronounce it?

Ancient Greeks generally called the country Judea, signifying land of the Jews. Romans, too. Persians called it Yehud. Herodotus used the name palaistine referring to the Mediterranean coast formerly occupied by philistines, who were also from the Greek world like Herodotus. It wasn‘t palestine as people generally think of it.

Never thought about how Herodotus came up with the name,
but the root of the word is in Hebrew, it's not Greek.

It actually shows Herodotus wasn't personally familiar with the region from first witness,
or even realize what the word meant, his knowledge of the specific region was limited only to reports from other Greeks who were not familiar with the local language.

No native would call himself "Palestinian", by definition.

I have some ideas about the entrenched, painful, conflict between the Isrealis and the Palestinians.

I took a look at the map, and figured out a possible solution.
It would require the Palestinians to be content with building new homes and farmland (powered by Israeli supplied water[1]), and for the Egyptians to sell some of the land that borders with Israel to Israel and Palestine.

This would start by the Palestinians moving some of their farmland and residences to the South of the current West Bank region, and later into what are now Egyptian lands bordering Israel.

In return, the Palestinians would get prolonged peace and a unified strip of land, the Israelis would get room to expand (into the West Bank, and later towards the south of the West Bank too), and the Egyptians would get international credit, and money (supplied by both the Israelis, and Palestinian farm products).

[1] Freshwater (industrial scale) from seawater, on sunlight | Physics Forums - The Fusion of Science and Community

i have this idea to produce fresh water for farming and all the other uses of fresh water, from seawater, on sunlight, using mostly/only off-the-shelf parts.. i am currently not able to pursue this idea myself due to financial constraints, so i thought i'd float the idea here looking for some constructive feedback.. i'm also not a mechanical engineer, i have studied software engineering, so i have a couple of specific hurdles with the engineering that i'd like your feedback on.. it starts with pvc tubing bringing seawater to a desert/climatically-hot area.. the pvc tubing does not need to be raised above ground level but rather be just laid on the ground to preheat the seawater. at the conversion site, you'd have multiple evaporation chambers made out of black plastic funnels, one normally upright beneath one inverted (so narrow part pointing straight up) and tied together using black ducktape perhaps. problem 1 is maintaining a stable water level in the lower (upright, narrow part of the funnel pointing down) funnels, and bringing new seawater to those lower funnels over terrain that varies in height aswell (potentially for several miles).. problem 2 is the condensation of vaporized freshwater from the 2-funnels devices back into liquid form for transportation to a farming area (which is suspect are pentiful), any area that could be farmed if it would receive a stable freshwater supply.. this idea is copylefted and donated to humanity by me. you are free to implement it entirely on your own and perhaps even turn it into a business where you take a modest percentage of revenue (the food output) to make the thing economically sustainable and interesting-to-scale-up..

What Egyptian lands are you speaking of?

Jerusalem is completely controlled by massive Jewish population on all 4 sides
They ain’t getting Jerusalem back nor should they

Jordan is the only other state in the region who made a claim for it, and they ceded that claim in the 1990's, along with the rest of the West Bank. What some gangsters want to claim is of no interest or validity.

it wasn't Jordan's to cede... They simply administered it along with East Jerusalem.

So what? They dropped any claims they had to it, and they're the real 'Palestinian state', not your thugsters running Hamas and the PLA.

Palestine was a province of Syria as far back as 500 BC.. Have you read Herodotus? It was called Syria-Palestine.. Chaucer and Shakespeare also mention Palestine.

Do you remember the West Bank before Israel attacked Egypt in 1967? Do you remember the Almond Trees and Pomegranates, and ancient Olive groves. Some of those olive trees were 500 years old and they weren't watered and tended by Europeans.

How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas - WSJ
https://www.wsj.com › articles › SB123275572295011847
Israel cooperated with a crippled, half-blind cleric named Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, even as he was laying the foundations for what would become Hamas.

Um, Herodotus coined the word palestine (palaistine), he didn’t discover a place called palestine. He wasn’t the Greek Christopher Columbus. So, palaistine existed in his book but not in reality. Sorry to confuse you with facts.

Herodotus didn't make it up.. It was called Palestine even when Egypt controlled Sina and Canaan during the Exodus.

No it wasn't, stop making things up.

And what difference does it make how Greeks called a land on another continent,
if those who today falsely appropriate the name, can't even pronounce it?

Ancient Greeks generally called the country Judea, signifying land of the Jews. Romans, too. Persians called it Yehud. Herodotus used the name palaistine referring to the Mediterranean coast formerly occupied by philistines, who were also from the Greek world like Herodotus. It wasn‘t palestine as people generally think of it.

Never thought about how Herodotus came up with the name,
but the root of the word is in Hebrew, it's not Greek.

It actually shows Herodotus wasn't personally familiar with the region from first witness,
or even realize what the word meant, his knowledge of the specific region was limited only to reports from other Greeks who were not familiar with the local language.

No native would call himself "Palestinian", by definition.

Jewish Bible calls the Philistines “Pelishtim“ and their location on the Mediterranean coast is called Peleshet. Bible actually refers to the Mediterranean as “sea of the Philistines.” The Greeks like Herodotus knew of the Philistines because they originated from the Greek world. In his book, he says palaistine is between Phoenicia (modern Lebanon) and Egypt, on a “peninsula beside our sea” (Mediterranean). There is no account of him traveling inland.

The Philistines were indeed sea people probably from the Greek Islands.. When they took over the coast, the Hebrew moved into the hillcountry.. Nomads have a symbiotic relationship with settled people who grow grains.. Its essential.

 

[Lee Edwin]

I have some ideas about the entrenched, painful, conflict between the Isrealis and the Palestinians.

I took a look at the map, and figured out a possible solution.
It would require the Palestinians to be content with building new homes and farmland (powered by Israeli supplied water[1]), and for the Egyptians to sell some of the land that borders with Israel to Israel and Palestine.

This would start by the Palestinians moving some of their farmland and residences to the South of the current West Bank region, and later into what are now Egyptian lands bordering Israel.

In return, the Palestinians would get prolonged peace and a unified strip of land, the Israelis would get room to expand (into the West Bank, and later towards the south of the West Bank too), and the Egyptians would get international credit, and money (supplied by both the Israelis, and Palestinian farm products).

[1] Freshwater (industrial scale) from seawater, on sunlight | Physics Forums - The Fusion of Science and Community

i have this idea to produce fresh water for farming and all the other uses of fresh water, from seawater, on sunlight, using mostly/only off-the-shelf parts.. i am currently not able to pursue this idea myself due to financial constraints, so i thought i'd float the idea here looking for some constructive feedback.. i'm also not a mechanical engineer, i have studied software engineering, so i have a couple of specific hurdles with the engineering that i'd like your feedback on.. it starts with pvc tubing bringing seawater to a desert/climatically-hot area.. the pvc tubing does not need to be raised above ground level but rather be just laid on the ground to preheat the seawater. at the conversion site, you'd have multiple evaporation chambers made out of black plastic funnels, one normally upright beneath one inverted (so narrow part pointing straight up) and tied together using black ducktape perhaps. problem 1 is maintaining a stable water level in the lower (upright, narrow part of the funnel pointing down) funnels, and bringing new seawater to those lower funnels over terrain that varies in height aswell (potentially for several miles).. problem 2 is the condensation of vaporized freshwater from the 2-funnels devices back into liquid form for transportation to a farming area (which is suspect are pentiful), any area that could be farmed if it would receive a stable freshwater supply.. this idea is copylefted and donated to humanity by me. you are free to implement it entirely on your own and perhaps even turn it into a business where you take a modest percentage of revenue (the food output) to make the thing economically sustainable and interesting-to-scale-up..

What Egyptian lands are you speaking of?

Jerusalem is completely controlled by massive Jewish population on all 4 sides
They ain’t getting Jerusalem back nor should they

Jordan is the only other state in the region who made a claim for it, and they ceded that claim in the 1990's, along with the rest of the West Bank. What some gangsters want to claim is of no interest or validity.

it wasn't Jordan's to cede... They simply administered it along with East Jerusalem.

So what? They dropped any claims they had to it, and they're the real 'Palestinian state', not your thugsters running Hamas and the PLA.

Palestine was a province of Syria as far back as 500 BC.. Have you read Herodotus? It was called Syria-Palestine.. Chaucer and Shakespeare also mention Palestine.

Do you remember the West Bank before Israel attacked Egypt in 1967? Do you remember the Almond Trees and Pomegranates, and ancient Olive groves. Some of those olive trees were 500 years old and they weren't watered and tended by Europeans.

How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas - WSJ
https://www.wsj.com › articles › SB123275572295011847
Israel cooperated with a crippled, half-blind cleric named Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, even as he was laying the foundations for what would become Hamas.

Um, Herodotus coined the word palestine (palaistine), he didn’t discover a place called palestine. He wasn’t the Greek Christopher Columbus. So, palaistine existed in his book but not in reality. Sorry to confuse you with facts.

Herodotus didn't make it up.. It was called Palestine even when Egypt controlled Sina and Canaan during the Exodus.

No it wasn't, stop making things up.

And what difference does it make how Greeks called a land on another continent,
if those who today falsely appropriate the name, can't even pronounce it?

Ancient Greeks generally called the country Judea, signifying land of the Jews. Romans, too. Persians called it Yehud. Herodotus used the name palaistine referring to the Mediterranean coast formerly occupied by philistines, who were also from the Greek world like Herodotus. It wasn‘t palestine as people generally think of it.

Fellahin has nothing to do with Philistines and there's no P in Arabic. Hebrew is derived from Canaanite.. so Jordan makes sense.

I have some ideas about the entrenched, painful, conflict between the Isrealis and the Palestinians.

I took a look at the map, and figured out a possible solution.
It would require the Palestinians to be content with building new homes and farmland (powered by Israeli supplied water[1]), and for the Egyptians to sell some of the land that borders with Israel to Israel and Palestine.

This would start by the Palestinians moving some of their farmland and residences to the South of the current West Bank region, and later into what are now Egyptian lands bordering Israel.

In return, the Palestinians would get prolonged peace and a unified strip of land, the Israelis would get room to expand (into the West Bank, and later towards the south of the West Bank too), and the Egyptians would get international credit, and money (supplied by both the Israelis, and Palestinian farm products).

[1] Freshwater (industrial scale) from seawater, on sunlight | Physics Forums - The Fusion of Science and Community

i have this idea to produce fresh water for farming and all the other uses of fresh water, from seawater, on sunlight, using mostly/only off-the-shelf parts.. i am currently not able to pursue this idea myself due to financial constraints, so i thought i'd float the idea here looking for some constructive feedback.. i'm also not a mechanical engineer, i have studied software engineering, so i have a couple of specific hurdles with the engineering that i'd like your feedback on.. it starts with pvc tubing bringing seawater to a desert/climatically-hot area.. the pvc tubing does not need to be raised above ground level but rather be just laid on the ground to preheat the seawater. at the conversion site, you'd have multiple evaporation chambers made out of black plastic funnels, one normally upright beneath one inverted (so narrow part pointing straight up) and tied together using black ducktape perhaps. problem 1 is maintaining a stable water level in the lower (upright, narrow part of the funnel pointing down) funnels, and bringing new seawater to those lower funnels over terrain that varies in height aswell (potentially for several miles).. problem 2 is the condensation of vaporized freshwater from the 2-funnels devices back into liquid form for transportation to a farming area (which is suspect are pentiful), any area that could be farmed if it would receive a stable freshwater supply.. this idea is copylefted and donated to humanity by me. you are free to implement it entirely on your own and perhaps even turn it into a business where you take a modest percentage of revenue (the food output) to make the thing economically sustainable and interesting-to-scale-up..

What Egyptian lands are you speaking of?

Jerusalem is completely controlled by massive Jewish population on all 4 sides
They ain’t getting Jerusalem back nor should they

Jordan is the only other state in the region who made a claim for it, and they ceded that claim in the 1990's, along with the rest of the West Bank. What some gangsters want to claim is of no interest or validity.

it wasn't Jordan's to cede... They simply administered it along with East Jerusalem.

So what? They dropped any claims they had to it, and they're the real 'Palestinian state', not your thugsters running Hamas and the PLA.

Palestine was a province of Syria as far back as 500 BC.. Have you read Herodotus? It was called Syria-Palestine.. Chaucer and Shakespeare also mention Palestine.

Do you remember the West Bank before Israel attacked Egypt in 1967? Do you remember the Almond Trees and Pomegranates, and ancient Olive groves. Some of those olive trees were 500 years old and they weren't watered and tended by Europeans.

How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas - WSJ
https://www.wsj.com › articles › SB123275572295011847
Israel cooperated with a crippled, half-blind cleric named Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, even as he was laying the foundations for what would become Hamas.

Um, Herodotus coined the word palestine (palaistine), he didn’t discover a place called palestine. He wasn’t the Greek Christopher Columbus. So, palaistine existed in his book but not in reality. Sorry to confuse you with facts.

Herodotus didn't make it up.. It was called Palestine even when Egypt controlled Sina and Canaan during the Exodus.

No it wasn't, stop making things up.

And what difference does it make how Greeks called a land on another continent,
if those who today falsely appropriate the name, can't even pronounce it?

Ancient Greeks generally called the country Judea, signifying land of the Jews. Romans, too. Persians called it Yehud. Herodotus used the name palaistine referring to the Mediterranean coast formerly occupied by philistines, who were also from the Greek world like Herodotus. It wasn‘t palestine as people generally think of it.

Fellahin has nothing to do with Philistines and there's no P in Arabic. Hebrew is derived from Canaanite.. so Jordan makes sense.

Arabs call the country Jordan, an English word, not palestine because no place palestine existed for Arabs. When the Jordanians seized Judea and Samaria in the ‘48 War, they called the land West Bank, also not palestine.

The Jews were not given The West Bank or East Jerusalem or the Golan Heights or the Shaaba Farms in 1948. Chaim Wiezman was very disappointed.

Remember Palestine had stamps, currency and newspapers and it was called Palestine in all the documents found at the Avalon Project, Yale. In any case, the Arab Jews were a tiny minority up in until 1930. You can't erase the Muslim or Christian Arabs..

The newspaper Filastin was owned by Arabs who were Greek Orthodox Christian, a small minority—-They obtained the name from their European Christian co-religionists who coined the name palestine.

Palestine = British Mandate. Palestine Post was the predecessor of the Israeli Jerusalem Post.

 

[surada]

Palestine Pound, printed in England by “Thomas De La Rue” printers which is noted at its bottom.

Yep....