Palestinian children tortured, used as shields by Israel: U.N.

[toastman]

Maybe they should not have attacked Israel in the first place?

Vae victus.

And the Germans blamed Kristalnacht on the Jewish Boycott of Germany.

As I've already said...

The Jews were not suicide-bombing the Germans, nor launching indiscriminate massed rocket attacks on the Germans, nor did they swear to drive the Germans into the North Sea, nor did the Jews collaborate with all of the Jewish-dominated countries surrounding Germany, nor did they join repeatedly with those Jewish-dominated neighbor-countries in order to slaughter the Germans, so...

When you've got a context-aware analogy that you can make along those lines, you go right ahead... until then, well... we'll just set your observations on the back-burner until you can actually substantiate them in an objective fashion...

Best to leave him alone. Anytime a pro - Palestinian brings up Nazi Germany to compare to Israel, you know he's pinned to a corner and has no other legit argument. It's a very typical method used by them.

 

[Kondor3]

"...P.S. We're still waiting for you to justify your broad, sweeping comment Hyrcanus (aka Otter)."

Never gonna happen... he can't, and he knows it... he just doesn't seem able to admit it...

 

[Kondor3]

"...Best to leave him alone. Anytime a pro - Palestinian brings up Nazi Germany to compare to Israel, you know he's pinned to a corner and has no other legit argument. It's a very typical method used by them."

Point well taken... I'm always reluctant to pin that sort of tag on someone but I must confess that I'm just about there myself with this 'newcomer' - whom I suspect is not so new after all...

 

[Coyote]

Lets get back to the topic - if you want to discuss socks or dirty laundry, take it to the Flame Zone.

 

[Kondor3]

Maybe the Arabs should not have attacked the Israelis after all, then, eh?

Welcome to your consequences.

Israel forced out tens of thousands of Arabs even after the 1948 war ended.

Maybe they should not have attacked Israel in the first place?

Vae victus.

I just received some Neg-Rep from our favorite pro-Palestinian colleague, accusing me of throwing this up as a 'red herring'.

Now, wasn't that just extra-special?

How precious...

A sure-fire way of indicating to me that I was on the right track with that one...

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Israel forced out tens of thousands of Arabs even after the 1948 war ended.

Maybe they should not have attacked Israel in the first place?

Vae victus.

I just received some Neg-Rep from our favorite pro-Palestinian colleague, accusing me of throwing this up as a 'red herring'.

Now, wasn't that just extra-special?

How precious...

A sure-fire way of indicating to me that I was on the right track with that one...

Haha!! Didn't Sherri remind you of the Church Lady? (For those of us who are older and remember her from Saturday Night Live.)

 

[holston]

Best to leave him alone. Anytime a pro - Palestinian brings up Nazi Germany to compare to Israel, you know he's pinned to a corner and has no other legit argument. It's a very typical method used by them.

ADL Condemns Use of Nazi Terminology Against IDF Soldiers by Settlement Supporters

ADL's Israel Office issued the following statement:



"As we have said on numerous occasions, regardless of one's political views using such language and evoking Nazi imagery is offensive, demeaning to victims of the Holocaust and is a perversion of history.

Furthermore, as the term "Nazi" has come to symbolize the personification of evil, using such language is inciteful and can serve to legitimize violence against Israeli soldiers by anyone who disagrees with the policies of the government.

Exposing the ?Nazi? Epithet ? Who started it, why, how, and who benefits | Justice for Germans

The term “Nazi” (along with “Nazism”) is a political epithet invented by Konrad Heiden (7 August 1901 – 18 June 1966) during the 1920s as a means of denigrating the NSDAP and National Socialism. Heiden was a journalist and member of the Social Democratic Party.

The fact is, that the term “Nazi” was created by the enemies of the National Socialists (the NSDAP). It was a pejorative term; an insult or a slur. The Germans, not even Hitler nor any other top party officials ever called themselves “Nazis”! They called themselves “National Socialists” and nothing else. Those who can read German and have studied any of the original documents and speeches know this already, but most don’t.

So, if for no other reason, one should easily understand why the term was regarded as derogatory by the National Socialists and why they would never use it to describe themselves. One should also see why it would be used and popularized by Marxist-Bolshevik agitators and understand how it was seized upon by various other political opponents and subversive types, both within Germany and abroad, including the international media and political leaders of the western powers.

What we must also know about Mr. Heiden, however, is that he was not just any other political opponent in the days of the Weimar Republic. He, himself was a “Jew”, and his father was a trade unionist, and that the trade unions were teaming with subversive, violent, Marxist-Bolsheviks. And NO, that is not “racist” statement, nor is intended to promote hatred. Merely to sate the facts.

Wikipedia states that:

“Konrad Heiden (7 August 1901 – 18 June 1966) was an influential Jewish journalist and historian of the Weimar Republic and Nazi eras, most noted for the first influential biographies of German dictator Adolf Hitler. Often, he wrote under the pseudonym “Klaus Bredow.”

 

[Lipush]

Holston, with all due respect, your opinion cannot really be taken seriously on this subject, or ANYTHING concerning Israel, since you are motivated by the Nazi-Ideology, and doesn't even TRY to cover it up.

Really now, what kind of wisdom can you bring forth taking to mind that small fact?

I mean. Seriously.

 

[holston]

Holston, with all due respect, your opinion cannot really be taken seriously on this subject, or ANYTHING concerning Israel, since you are motivated by the Nazi-Ideology, and doesn't even TRY to cover it up.

Really now, what kind of wisdom can you bring forth taking to mind that small fact?

I mean. Seriously.

There you go again with that "N" word.

 

[Lipush]

I wasn't the one using it in the first place.

You really wanna go there?

 

[MHunterB]

Holston, with all due respect, your opinion cannot really be taken seriously on this subject, or ANYTHING concerning Israel, since you are motivated by the Nazi-Ideology, and doesn't even TRY to cover it up.

Really now, what kind of wisdom can you bring forth taking to mind that small fact?

I mean. Seriously.

There you go again with that "N" word.

Tsk-tsk, no better source that some shitstain of a blog seeking to whitewash homicidal genocidal fascists.......

 

[Lipush]

The dude blamed me for being racist because I dislike Nazis.

I mean. WTF.

Let us get back to the issue, I am interested to know what our government is going to say once this issue is checked.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

The report addressed in the OP is by The Committee on the Rights of the Child and I am going try to discuss the contents of this report. The link is provided in a prior post. http://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/149015072?width=640
From page 1, I read that the Committee asked Israel for information and data on children living in the OPT, to include Occupied East Jerusalem and the Occupied Golan Heights, before writing this report. The Committee states on Pg 1 that Israel refused to provide requested information. And the Committee advises Israel to comply with the 2004 Intl Court of Justice Opinion on The Wall and to abide by her obligations under The Geneva Convention in Israel and the OPT, to include the WB and Gaza and the Golan Heights. (These comments clarify the UN views all of these areas as remaining under Israeli Occupation). Pg 1 ends with the Committee speaking favorably of specific Israeli legislation favorable to children. On Pg 1 and Pg 2 six legislative measures are addressed that the Committee speaks favorably of. Amendment 14 to the Youth Law gives priority to rehabilitation over punishment for children accused and/or convicted of committing a crime and prohibits detention of children below 14 without a court order, enacted in 2009, A second legislative measure establishes the right for a child victim of sexual violence to receive immediate assistance in crisis centre. I find myself wondering the extent to which these two measures actually in practice operate to benefit Palestinian children, as I continue to read of young children imprisoned and children sexually molested, with seeming impunity for settlers or IDF officials who sexually abuse/ molest children.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Why can't posters address Israel's abuses/crimes against nonJewish children in Israel and the OPT? Not one single day passes but that children are not unlawfully detained and abused and subjected to myraid other crimes against intl law in Israel and Occupied Palestine and Occupied Syria. The abuses against children by Israel is the topic of this thread. As I write this post, I find myself thinking about Sheeba Farms. I expect there are human rights abuses there, too.

 

[MHunterB]

OK, so which part of Syria is 'Occupied' Syria - according to you? (The body count has topped 100,000 there: it's nice you've finally noticed)

Wile we're talking about abuses of children, shouldn't we also mention the HAMAS 'supper camps' training young children to be jihadis? And the HAMAS TV shows for very young children indoctrinating them with hatred?

 

[RoccoR]

SherriMunnerlyn, et al,

Some people consider the Shebaa Farms plot of land (about 10 sq mi) as Israeli-occupied Syria in conjunction with the Golan Heights Occupation.

As I write this post, I find myself thinking about Sheeba Farms. I expect there are human rights abuses there, too.

(COMMENT)

Shebaa Farms is "high ground." From a defensive standpoint, it is nearly always better to deny the enemy (Hezbollah and Syrian Army) the "high ground."

Shebaa Farms is not so important as a tactical position (although rocket, heavy machine gun, or recoilless rifle are greatly enhanced in effectiveness), as it is important in terms of its C3ISR value (Command, Control, Communications, Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance) and target acquisition view over the tri-border area.

But Shebaa Farms is more about securing water. There is no human rights issue.

Why can't posters address Israel's abuses/crimes against nonJewish children in Israel and the OPT? Not one single day passes but that children are not unlawfully detained and abused and subjected to myraid other crimes against intl law in Israel and Occupied Palestine and Occupied Syria. The abuses against children by Israel is the topic of this thread.

(COMMENT)

What new information do you have?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Coyote]

This thread has been cleaned again. An further derailments that belong in the Flame Zone will result in infractions on a case by case basis.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

OK, so which part of Syria is 'Occupied' Syria - according to you? (The body count has topped 100,000 there: it's nice you've finally noticed)

Wile we're talking about abuses of children, shouldn't we also mention the HAMAS 'supper camps' training young children to be jihadis? And the HAMAS TV shows for very young children indoctrinating them with hatred?

Golan Heights is Occupied by Israel and it is specifically addressed in UN Report documenting abuses against children addressed in the OP and Syria has sovereignty rights there. Sheeba Farms is Occupied and there is an apparent dispute over whether Syria or Lebanon have sovereignty rights there. So far, I have not noticed specific references to Sheeba Farms addressed in the UN report discussed in the OP.The report in the OP addresses human rights abuses documented by the UN and other human rights groups. They are not concerned with Fantasy claims of human rights abuses by Zionist Hasbara Propaganda sources like MEMRI. Sherri

 

[toastman]

SHEEBA FARMS WAS not part of the withdrawal line that the u.n drew following Operation Litani. The Sheeba farms will never be returned. Never. Ever. Like ever.

 

[Kondor3]

And, of course, we all know that the UN is entirely impartial and objective when it comes to Israel...

So that anything its Palestinian -leaning agencies have to say about Israeli behavior vis-a-vis the so-called Occupied Territories is entirely reliable and trustworthy and beyond question...

Not...

Anything they have to say about the Israeli presence upon either the Golan or Sheeba Farms is just Same-Old-Same-Old... more of the same... and largely interchangeable with the subjective and condemnatory tone of similar 'research and findings' pertaining to other parts of the region.