Kalam
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In that case, I'm sure you'll have no trouble linking to a non-Zionist source which proves that the use of children in suicide operations is widespread. The few "children" who do this tend to be in their late teens and acted impulsively because Zionists killed one or more of their family members.
I will not tolerate you talking out of your ass about a situation you're completely unfamiliar with. I will correct you out of pity -- consider this a gift.
The first problem with ignorantly invoking Beslan is that the incident was expressly condemned by the leaders of the mujahideen when it occurred:
"In the eyes of the resistance, such operations have no legitimacy... we ourselves were horrified by what they did in Beslan." - Dokka Umarov (HA), current Amir of the Caucasus
"...he posted a letter on the internet in which he condemned the Beslan incident and denied any connection between 'the Ansar in Chechnya with the killing of children, women and unarmed people in the Beslan school in North Ossetia '" - referring to Abu Hafs al-Urduni (RA), fmr. Amir of foreign mujahideen in Chechnya (KIA 2006)
"Mr. Maskhadov described the perpetrators of Beslan as "madmen" driven out of their senses by Russian acts of brutality. To the end, he condemned the killing of civilians." - referring to Aslan Maskhadov (RA), fmr. President of the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria (KIA 2005)
"...he posted a letter on the internet in which he condemned the Beslan incident and denied any connection between 'the Ansar in Chechnya with the killing of children, women and unarmed people in the Beslan school in North Ossetia '" - referring to Abu Hafs al-Urduni (RA), fmr. Amir of foreign mujahideen in Chechnya (KIA 2006)
"Mr. Maskhadov described the perpetrators of Beslan as "madmen" driven out of their senses by Russian acts of brutality. To the end, he condemned the killing of civilians." - referring to Aslan Maskhadov (RA), fmr. President of the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria (KIA 2005)
It's also deceptive because Basayev was prevented from carrying out any additional attacks against civilians by Maskhadov's successor, Shaykh Abdul-Halim Sadulayev (RA). Upon his assumption of the presidency, Sadulayev declared that hostage-taking and targeting civilians would not be tolerated -- no attacks on civilians occurred between then and his death in 2006.
Russia: New Chechen Resistance Leader Vows No More Hostage Takings - Radio Free Europe / Radio Liberty 2010
St. Petersburg Times
The third issue is that you refuse to consider why this incident occurred. Keep Maskhadov's assessment of the perpetrators in mind: "madmen" driven out of their senses by Russian acts of brutality. Beslans are a daily occurrence in Chechnya -- I don't know where to begin.
Samaskhi, 1995: 250 or more civilians massacred by Russian soldiers. (Amnesty) A surgeon's eyewitness account:
"Dozens of charred corpses of women and children lay in the courtyard of the mosque, which had been destroyed. The first thing my eye fell on was the burned body of a baby, lying in fetal position... A wild-eyed woman emerged from a burned-out house holding a dead baby. Trucks with bodies piled in the back rolled through the streets on the way to the cemetery. While treating the wounded, I heard stories of young men - gagged and trussed up - dragged with chains behind personnel carriers. I heard of Russian aviators who threw Chechen prisoners, screaming, out their helicopters. There were rapes, but it was hard to know how many because women were too ashamed to report them. One girl was raped in front of her father. I heard of one case in which the mercenaries grabbed a newborn baby, threw it among each other like a ball, then shot it dead in the air. Leaving the village for the hospital in Grozny, I passed a Russian armored personnel carrier with the word SAMASHKI written on its side in bold, black letters. I looked in my rearview mirror and to my horror saw a human skull mounted on the front of the vehicle. The bones were white; someone must have boiled the skull to remove the flesh." - Dr. Khassan Baiev, "The Oath: A Surgeon Under Fire"
Alkhan-Yurt, 1999 - "Scores" of civilians massacred by Russian soldiers:
Human Rights Watch today said that Russian troops went on a devastating rampage after capturing the village of Alkhan-Yurt, ten miles south-west of Grozny. According to the testimonies of three witnesses interviewed by Human Rights Watch, Russian troops looted and destroyed many of the remaining houses in the village, and summarily executed numerous civilians who resisted the looting.
"Russian troops in Alkhan-Yurt are killing civilians and looting their property with what appears to be complete impunity," said Holly Cartner, executive director of the Europe and Central Asia Division of Human Rights Watch. "It's a shocking case of Russian force's intentional violation of international law." (HRW)
"Russian troops in Alkhan-Yurt are killing civilians and looting their property with what appears to be complete impunity," said Holly Cartner, executive director of the Europe and Central Asia Division of Human Rights Watch. "It's a shocking case of Russian force's intentional violation of international law." (HRW)
Elistanzhi, 1999: Russian planes massacre nearly 50 civilians when they attack a village with cluster munitions, bombing the school while children were inside. There was absolutely no separatist presence in the village and it was not connected to any Russian military objectives. (VOA)
Novye Aldi, 2000: Russian soldiers massacre 82 civilians in a Grozny suburb, also raping 6 women and burning down houses. Russians demanded money from many of the civilians and executed them if they felt that the amount was insufficient. Victims included an eight months-pregnant Chechen woman (shot in the stomach), a 70 year-old Russian woman (shot in the face at point-blank range), and an infant (shot in the head and burned.) (Guardian) (HRW)
Staropromyslovski, 2000: Russian soldiers massacre at least 38 civilians in another district of Grozny. All victims, mostly women and old men, were shot at close range. (HRW)
Grozny, 1999: Russian police massacre a refugee convoy leaving the besieged capital. Vehicles were marked with white flags, and the massacre took place in a Russian-designated "safe corridor." Earlier, Russia had dropped leaflets over Grozny warning civilians that they would "be viewed as terrorists and bandits" if they did not evacuate the city via that corridor. In 2008, a mass grave of 300 people was discovered near another route leading out of Grozny; they are thought to be victims of a similar Russian massacre. (Guardian) (CNN)
Baku-Rostov highway, 1999: The Russian Air Force massacres another refugee convoy using another "safe exit" route. Multiple vehicles were marked with Red Cross emblems and Amnesty International confirms that "no legitimate military targets" were present in the area, making it obvious that the murder of civilians was deliberate.
Since your propaganda is generally accompanied by pictures, I'll share a few here.
Grozny, which the UN declared the "most destroyed city in the world":
(City center)
The next time you get the urge to insult the victims of Russia's oppression and genocide with your crude attempts at propaganda, don't. Educate yourself instead:
Preventing Genocide - Who is at Risk? - Chechnya, Russia
