Palestinians Reject Two State Solution

... a democratic secular state will evolve in which people of different religions will have equal rights.

Newsflash! A democratic secular State in which people of different religions have equal rights already exists. Its called Israel.

Israel has control over about 4-5 million people that have no rights at all. Nothing democratic about it, unless you believe the way non-whites were considered non-citizens living in South African controlled Bantustans made Apartheid South Africa democratic.

And within Israel non-Jews do not have equal rights. Non-Jews cannot buy land that Jews can buy. Non-Jews in Israel cannot have family members non-citizens, even spouses, join them in Israel as Jews can. And, non-Jews whose ancestors owned homes in what is now Israel, have no right of return to their homes, whereas a person the claims to be of the Jewish faith can. Those are just a few examples. Now, the non-Jews under Israeli control outside of Israel, have no rights at all.

Oh come on! This is just an emotional outburst painfully lacking in facts.

Israel has control of 4-5 million people who have NO rights AT ALL?! You are talking about four very distinct groups of people here:

the Arab Israelis who have full and equal rights in all ways, and actually more rights than the Jewish people in our own land

the Arab Palestinians living under the authority of the PA and whose rights are largely determined by the PA

the Arab Palestinians living under the authority of Hamas and whose rights are largely determined by Hamas

the Arab Palestinians living in Area C

Israel's control over the four groups are distinctly different and every single one of these groups has fundamental rights. You would look much less like a Pom-Pom flailer (borrowing the term from Hollie) if you attempted to make a reasoned, educated and detailed argument based on facts about various rights of various peoples in the territories.

For example, you said, "non-Jews can not buy land that Jews can buy". Factually, legally, untrue. There is no land in Israel that is legally distinguished as being land that only Jews can buy. And if you can find me any such Israeli law, please present it.

You said, non-Jews in Israel can not have family member non-citizens join them but Jews can. Factually untrue. Its much, much more complicated than that. And yes, there is very likely to be practical discrimination, but it is not a legal discrimination as far as I understand. Again, if you can find me the specific Israeli law which discriminates by ethnicity, please let me know.

The right of return is a complicated political issue and deserves not to be treated as a one-liner.
 
For example, you said, "non-Jews can not buy land that Jews can buy". Factually, legally, untrue. There is no land in Israel that is legally distinguished as being land that only Jews can buy. And if you can find me any such Israeli law, please present it.
Palestinian citizens of Israel cannot even claim their own land.
 
You said, non-Jews in Israel can not have family member non-citizens join them but Jews can.
Any Jew can marry a Jew from anyplace and live as a couple in Israel. Palestinians who marry a non citizen Palestinian cannot bring the spouse into the country.

Laila El Haddad from Gaza married a Palestinian from a refugee camp in Lebanon. Israel will not allow him to live with his wife in Gaza.
 
You said, non-Jews in Israel can not have family member non-citizens join them but Jews can.
Any Jew can marry a Jew from anyplace and live as a couple in Israel. Palestinians who marry a non citizen Palestinian cannot bring the spouse into the country.

Laila El Haddad from Gaza married a Palestinian from a refugee camp in Lebanon. Israel will not allow him to live with his wife in Gaza.

Wait, what? The Laila El Haddad who was born in Kuwait, was raised in Saudi Arabia and who went to school in the US and who now lives in the US with her husband? THAT Laila El Haddad?
 
You said, non-Jews in Israel can not have family member non-citizens join them but Jews can.
Any Jew can marry a Jew from anyplace and live as a couple in Israel. Palestinians who marry a non citizen Palestinian cannot bring the spouse into the country.

Laila El Haddad from Gaza married a Palestinian from a refugee camp in Lebanon. Israel will not allow him to live with his wife in Gaza.

Wait, what? The Laila El Haddad who was born in Kuwait, was raised in Saudi Arabia and who went to school in the US and who now lives in the US with her husband? THAT Laila El Haddad?
That is the story of Palestinians. Everywhere but home.
 
Oh and wait what? The Laila El Hadda who is married to the Lebanese man who was educated in the US?

What the F&*K does this have to do with being Palestinian?

You guys are seriously SO awesome at tearing down your own arguments.
 
Oh and wait what? The Laila El Hadda who is married to the Lebanese man who was educated in the US?

What the F&*K does this have to do with being Palestinian?

You guys are seriously SO awesome at tearing down your own arguments.
He isn't Lebanese, he is a Palestinian refugee.
 
... a democratic secular state will evolve in which people of different religions will have equal rights.

Newsflash! A democratic secular State in which people of different religions have equal rights already exists. Its called Israel.

Israel has control over about 4-5 million people that have no rights at all. Nothing democratic about it, unless you believe the way non-whites were considered non-citizens living in South African controlled Bantustans made Apartheid South Africa democratic.

And within Israel non-Jews do not have equal rights. Non-Jews cannot buy land that Jews can buy. Non-Jews in Israel cannot have family members non-citizens, even spouses, join them in Israel as Jews can. And, non-Jews whose ancestors owned homes in what is now Israel, have no right of return to their homes, whereas a person the claims to be of the Jewish faith can. Those are just a few examples. Now, the non-Jews under Israeli control outside of Israel, have no rights at all.

Oh come on! This is just an emotional outburst painfully lacking in facts.

Israel has control of 4-5 million people who have NO rights AT ALL?! You are talking about four very distinct groups of people here:

the Arab Israelis who have full and equal rights in all ways, and actually more rights than the Jewish people in our own land

the Arab Palestinians living under the authority of the PA and whose rights are largely determined by the PA

the Arab Palestinians living under the authority of Hamas and whose rights are largely determined by Hamas

the Arab Palestinians living in Area C

Israel's control over the four groups are distinctly different and every single one of these groups has fundamental rights. You would look much less like a Pom-Pom flailer (borrowing the term from Hollie) if you attempted to make a reasoned, educated and detailed argument based on facts about various rights of various peoples in the territories.

For example, you said, "non-Jews can not buy land that Jews can buy". Factually, legally, untrue. There is no land in Israel that is legally distinguished as being land that only Jews can buy. And if you can find me any such Israeli law, please present it.

You said, non-Jews in Israel can not have family member non-citizens join them but Jews can. Factually untrue. Its much, much more complicated than that. And yes, there is very likely to be practical discrimination, but it is not a legal discrimination as far as I understand. Again, if you can find me the specific Israeli law which discriminates by ethnicity, please let me know.

The right of return is a complicated political issue and deserves not to be treated as a one-liner.

1. A military occupation and being subjected to martial law denotes control. Do you actually believe what you write? Are you that delusional?

2. Israeli Arabs have the same rights as Jews? As far as family reunification law for non-Jews the law was extended recently:

15/06/2016

"Law affects tens of thousands of Palestinian families, creates a separate track of naturalization for spouses of Palestinian citizens of Israel from OPT and "enemy states."
Israeli lawmakers voted on 13 June 2016 to extend by an additional year the Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law, an emergency regulation that prevents Palestinian citizens of Israel who are married to residents of the Occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip, as well as countries that Israel considers "enemy states," from living with their families."

The law affects tens of thousands of Palestinian families on both sides of the Green Line boundary between Israel and the West Bank, preventing Palestinians from legally moving into Israel to join their spouses.

65 Members of Knesset voted in favor of extending the law and 14 voted against it.

Israel extends ban on Palestinian family reunification - Adalah

3. JNF does not sell/lease land to non-Jews. This is from the U.S. State Department 20015 Country Report on Israel..

"Legal petitions against the JNF policy of leasing public land only to Jews continued at year’s end. The NGO Israel Land Fund continued its program to purchase Arab land throughout the country and market it to Jewish buyers, including in the diaspora. The organization claimed all the land belonged to Jews and described as a “danger” the purchase of Jewish-owned lands by non-Jews."

Country Reports on Human Rights Practices for 2015
 
... a democratic secular state will evolve in which people of different religions will have equal rights.

Newsflash! A democratic secular State in which people of different religions have equal rights already exists. Its called Israel.

Israel has control over about 4-5 million people that have no rights at all. Nothing democratic about it, unless you believe the way non-whites were considered non-citizens living in South African controlled Bantustans made Apartheid South Africa democratic.

And within Israel non-Jews do not have equal rights. Non-Jews cannot buy land that Jews can buy. Non-Jews in Israel cannot have family members non-citizens, even spouses, join them in Israel as Jews can. And, non-Jews whose ancestors owned homes in what is now Israel, have no right of return to their homes, whereas a person the claims to be of the Jewish faith can. Those are just a few examples. Now, the non-Jews under Israeli control outside of Israel, have no rights at all.

Oh come on! This is just an emotional outburst painfully lacking in facts.

Israel has control of 4-5 million people who have NO rights AT ALL?! You are talking about four very distinct groups of people here:

the Arab Israelis who have full and equal rights in all ways, and actually more rights than the Jewish people in our own land

the Arab Palestinians living under the authority of the PA and whose rights are largely determined by the PA

the Arab Palestinians living under the authority of Hamas and whose rights are largely determined by Hamas

the Arab Palestinians living in Area C

Israel's control over the four groups are distinctly different and every single one of these groups has fundamental rights. You would look much less like a Pom-Pom flailer (borrowing the term from Hollie) if you attempted to make a reasoned, educated and detailed argument based on facts about various rights of various peoples in the territories.

For example, you said, "non-Jews can not buy land that Jews can buy". Factually, legally, untrue. There is no land in Israel that is legally distinguished as being land that only Jews can buy. And if you can find me any such Israeli law, please present it.

You said, non-Jews in Israel can not have family member non-citizens join them but Jews can. Factually untrue. Its much, much more complicated than that. And yes, there is very likely to be practical discrimination, but it is not a legal discrimination as far as I understand. Again, if you can find me the specific Israeli law which discriminates by ethnicity, please let me know.

The right of return is a complicated political issue and deserves not to be treated as a one-liner.

1. A military occupation and being subjected to martial law denotes control. Do you actually believe what you write? Are you that delusional?

2. Israeli Arabs have the same rights as Jews? As far as family reunification law for non-Jews the law was extended recently:

15/06/2016

"Law affects tens of thousands of Palestinian families, creates a separate track of naturalization for spouses of Palestinian citizens of Israel from OPT and "enemy states."
Israeli lawmakers voted on 13 June 2016 to extend by an additional year the Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law, an emergency regulation that prevents Palestinian citizens of Israel who are married to residents of the Occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip, as well as countries that Israel considers "enemy states," from living with their families."

The law affects tens of thousands of Palestinian families on both sides of the Green Line boundary between Israel and the West Bank, preventing Palestinians from legally moving into Israel to join their spouses.

65 Members of Knesset voted in favor of extending the law and 14 voted against it.

Israel extends ban on Palestinian family reunification - Adalah

3. JNF does not sell/lease land to non-Jews. This is from the U.S. State Department 20015 Country Report on Israel..

"Legal petitions against the JNF policy of leasing public land only to Jews continued at year’s end. The NGO Israel Land Fund continued its program to purchase Arab land throughout the country and market it to Jewish buyers, including in the diaspora. The organization claimed all the land belonged to Jews and described as a “danger” the purchase of Jewish-owned lands by non-Jews."

Country Reports on Human Rights Practices for 2015
... a democratic secular state will evolve in which people of different religions will have equal rights.

Newsflash! A democratic secular State in which people of different religions have equal rights already exists. Its called Israel.

Israel has control over about 4-5 million people that have no rights at all. Nothing democratic about it, unless you believe the way non-whites were considered non-citizens living in South African controlled Bantustans made Apartheid South Africa democratic.

And within Israel non-Jews do not have equal rights. Non-Jews cannot buy land that Jews can buy. Non-Jews in Israel cannot have family members non-citizens, even spouses, join them in Israel as Jews can. And, non-Jews whose ancestors owned homes in what is now Israel, have no right of return to their homes, whereas a person the claims to be of the Jewish faith can. Those are just a few examples. Now, the non-Jews under Israeli control outside of Israel, have no rights at all.

Oh come on! This is just an emotional outburst painfully lacking in facts.

Israel has control of 4-5 million people who have NO rights AT ALL?! You are talking about four very distinct groups of people here:

the Arab Israelis who have full and equal rights in all ways, and actually more rights than the Jewish people in our own land

the Arab Palestinians living under the authority of the PA and whose rights are largely determined by the PA

the Arab Palestinians living under the authority of Hamas and whose rights are largely determined by Hamas

the Arab Palestinians living in Area C

Israel's control over the four groups are distinctly different and every single one of these groups has fundamental rights. You would look much less like a Pom-Pom flailer (borrowing the term from Hollie) if you attempted to make a reasoned, educated and detailed argument based on facts about various rights of various peoples in the territories.

For example, you said, "non-Jews can not buy land that Jews can buy". Factually, legally, untrue. There is no land in Israel that is legally distinguished as being land that only Jews can buy. And if you can find me any such Israeli law, please present it.

You said, non-Jews in Israel can not have family member non-citizens join them but Jews can. Factually untrue. Its much, much more complicated than that. And yes, there is very likely to be practical discrimination, but it is not a legal discrimination as far as I understand. Again, if you can find me the specific Israeli law which discriminates by ethnicity, please let me know.

The right of return is a complicated political issue and deserves not to be treated as a one-liner.

1. A military occupation and being subjected to martial law denotes control. Do you actually believe what you write? Are you that delusional?

2. Israeli Arabs have the same rights as Jews? As far as family reunification law for non-Jews the law was extended recently:

15/06/2016

"Law affects tens of thousands of Palestinian families, creates a separate track of naturalization for spouses of Palestinian citizens of Israel from OPT and "enemy states."
Israeli lawmakers voted on 13 June 2016 to extend by an additional year the Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law, an emergency regulation that prevents Palestinian citizens of Israel who are married to residents of the Occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip, as well as countries that Israel considers "enemy states," from living with their families."

The law affects tens of thousands of Palestinian families on both sides of the Green Line boundary between Israel and the West Bank, preventing Palestinians from legally moving into Israel to join their spouses.

65 Members of Knesset voted in favor of extending the law and 14 voted against it.

Israel extends ban on Palestinian family reunification - Adalah

3. JNF does not sell/lease land to non-Jews. This is from the U.S. State Department 20015 Country Report on Israel..

"Legal petitions against the JNF policy of leasing public land only to Jews continued at year’s end. The NGO Israel Land Fund continued its program to purchase Arab land throughout the country and market it to Jewish buyers, including in the diaspora. The organization claimed all the land belonged to Jews and described as a “danger” the purchase of Jewish-owned lands by non-Jews."

Country Reports on Human Rights Practices for 2015

PA Court: Sale of Palestinian Land to Israelis Is Punishable by Death.


read more: PA court: Sale of Palestinian land to Israelis is punishable by death
 
... a democratic secular state will evolve in which people of different religions will have equal rights.

Newsflash! A democratic secular State in which people of different religions have equal rights already exists. Its called Israel.

Israel has control over about 4-5 million people that have no rights at all. Nothing democratic about it, unless you believe the way non-whites were considered non-citizens living in South African controlled Bantustans made Apartheid South Africa democratic.

And within Israel non-Jews do not have equal rights. Non-Jews cannot buy land that Jews can buy. Non-Jews in Israel cannot have family members non-citizens, even spouses, join them in Israel as Jews can. And, non-Jews whose ancestors owned homes in what is now Israel, have no right of return to their homes, whereas a person the claims to be of the Jewish faith can. Those are just a few examples. Now, the non-Jews under Israeli control outside of Israel, have no rights at all.







And yet the UN says they do have rights and exercise them daily, they are only restricted when it comes to violence and terrorism. They have free determination, a government and the right to worship. The US has the same laws as does palestine so why are you singling out Israel for special treatment, is it cos you is racist and an anti semitic POS.
How is it that Israel such a small nation with so few citizens can rule the world as you claim and stop the rest of the world from attacking them and forcing them to give the arab muslims what they demand. Could it be that you are LYING and the Jews are actually within international laws and are doing no wrong, but the arab muslims are the ones that enforce such things on non muslims and you ignore them completely.
 
For example, you said, "non-Jews can not buy land that Jews can buy". Factually, legally, untrue. There is no land in Israel that is legally distinguished as being land that only Jews can buy. And if you can find me any such Israeli law, please present it.
Palestinian citizens of Israel cannot even claim their own land.







How can they claim what they cant prove, all they have are rusty keys and fake title deeds sold by arafat in the 1990's
 
You said, non-Jews in Israel can not have family member non-citizens join them but Jews can.
Any Jew can marry a Jew from anyplace and live as a couple in Israel. Palestinians who marry a non citizen Palestinian cannot bring the spouse into the country.

Laila El Haddad from Gaza married a Palestinian from a refugee camp in Lebanon. Israel will not allow him to live with his wife in Gaza.






Similar laws apply in the US, and also in palestine, Jordan, Syria and most other islamic nations. So what is your point in singling out Israel for attention ?
 
You said, non-Jews in Israel can not have family member non-citizens join them but Jews can.
Any Jew can marry a Jew from anyplace and live as a couple in Israel. Palestinians who marry a non citizen Palestinian cannot bring the spouse into the country.

Laila El Haddad from Gaza married a Palestinian from a refugee camp in Lebanon. Israel will not allow him to live with his wife in Gaza.

Wait, what? The Laila El Haddad who was born in Kuwait, was raised in Saudi Arabia and who went to school in the US and who now lives in the US with her husband? THAT Laila El Haddad?
That is the story of Palestinians. Everywhere but home.







A home they have repeatedly refused to prove is theirs other than by repeating the words of mo'mad when he told them they owned the world and the lack of an international treaty giving them the land.
 
Oh and wait what? The Laila El Hadda who is married to the Lebanese man who was educated in the US?

What the F&*K does this have to do with being Palestinian?

You guys are seriously SO awesome at tearing down your own arguments.
He isn't Lebanese, he is a Palestinian refugee.





Not according to the laws applying to refugees that say they take on the nationality of the nation they reside in. Also he would need to be first generation to be a refugee under the same laws.

I advise you to read them and get a better understanding on where you are going wrong
 
... a democratic secular state will evolve in which people of different religions will have equal rights.

Newsflash! A democratic secular State in which people of different religions have equal rights already exists. Its called Israel.

Israel has control over about 4-5 million people that have no rights at all. Nothing democratic about it, unless you believe the way non-whites were considered non-citizens living in South African controlled Bantustans made Apartheid South Africa democratic.

And within Israel non-Jews do not have equal rights. Non-Jews cannot buy land that Jews can buy. Non-Jews in Israel cannot have family members non-citizens, even spouses, join them in Israel as Jews can. And, non-Jews whose ancestors owned homes in what is now Israel, have no right of return to their homes, whereas a person the claims to be of the Jewish faith can. Those are just a few examples. Now, the non-Jews under Israeli control outside of Israel, have no rights at all.

Oh come on! This is just an emotional outburst painfully lacking in facts.

Israel has control of 4-5 million people who have NO rights AT ALL?! You are talking about four very distinct groups of people here:

the Arab Israelis who have full and equal rights in all ways, and actually more rights than the Jewish people in our own land

the Arab Palestinians living under the authority of the PA and whose rights are largely determined by the PA

the Arab Palestinians living under the authority of Hamas and whose rights are largely determined by Hamas

the Arab Palestinians living in Area C

Israel's control over the four groups are distinctly different and every single one of these groups has fundamental rights. You would look much less like a Pom-Pom flailer (borrowing the term from Hollie) if you attempted to make a reasoned, educated and detailed argument based on facts about various rights of various peoples in the territories.

For example, you said, "non-Jews can not buy land that Jews can buy". Factually, legally, untrue. There is no land in Israel that is legally distinguished as being land that only Jews can buy. And if you can find me any such Israeli law, please present it.

You said, non-Jews in Israel can not have family member non-citizens join them but Jews can. Factually untrue. Its much, much more complicated than that. And yes, there is very likely to be practical discrimination, but it is not a legal discrimination as far as I understand. Again, if you can find me the specific Israeli law which discriminates by ethnicity, please let me know.

The right of return is a complicated political issue and deserves not to be treated as a one-liner.

1. A military occupation and being subjected to martial law denotes control. Do you actually believe what you write? Are you that delusional?

2. Israeli Arabs have the same rights as Jews? As far as family reunification law for non-Jews the law was extended recently:

15/06/2016

"Law affects tens of thousands of Palestinian families, creates a separate track of naturalization for spouses of Palestinian citizens of Israel from OPT and "enemy states."
Israeli lawmakers voted on 13 June 2016 to extend by an additional year the Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law, an emergency regulation that prevents Palestinian citizens of Israel who are married to residents of the Occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip, as well as countries that Israel considers "enemy states," from living with their families."

The law affects tens of thousands of Palestinian families on both sides of the Green Line boundary between Israel and the West Bank, preventing Palestinians from legally moving into Israel to join their spouses.

65 Members of Knesset voted in favor of extending the law and 14 voted against it.

Israel extends ban on Palestinian family reunification - Adalah

3. JNF does not sell/lease land to non-Jews. This is from the U.S. State Department 20015 Country Report on Israel..

"Legal petitions against the JNF policy of leasing public land only to Jews continued at year’s end. The NGO Israel Land Fund continued its program to purchase Arab land throughout the country and market it to Jewish buyers, including in the diaspora. The organization claimed all the land belonged to Jews and described as a “danger” the purchase of Jewish-owned lands by non-Jews."

Country Reports on Human Rights Practices for 2015





Correct but does not take away any rights

Same laws that all the civilised world put in operation to stop terrorists from entering
 
Challenger, et al,

That would be correct.

... a democratic secular state will evolve in which people of different religions will have equal rights.

Newsflash! A democratic secular State in which people of different religions have equal rights already exists. Its called Israel.

Zionist Israel is lightyears away from being a democratic state in which people of different religions have equal rights. Herrenvolk democracies like Zionist Israel have a long way to go in that regard.
(COMMENT)

Israel IS NOT a democracy. But then, neither is the United States. They are both republics.

Most Respectfully,
R

Talking of getting heads straightened, who said it was? Both Shusha and I stated "democratic secular state" and "a democratic state" no-one mentioned the word democracy.
 
First, I don't think you known anything about the technology available to the Israeli Defense Force (IDF).

Don't need to, just have to look in Jane's or IISS publications and if I can't be bothered to do that, there's always Wikipedia to point the way for more detailed information Military equipment of Israel - Wikipedia

You inserted video was not an example of Counter-battery fire on Hostile Arab Palestinians

No, it was an example of the availability of precision munitions in Zionist Israel, do keep up.

Second, I do not believe that the Israeli Air Force currently has strategic bombers capable of (as you say) "carper bombing."

No idea what "carper bombing" is but carpet bombing is a figure of speech and also a technical term forom WW2 for an indiscriminate wide area saturation attack with high explosive ordinance. Oh, and given your average F-16 can carry oa bomb load rough that of two B-17 WW2 era strategic bombers, who needs actual strategic bombers?

Third, I don't think that the Israeli Air Force has the inventory to answer the 4000 rocket launches leading up to the Israeli Military respond in 2014. For instance, the air-to-ground Hellfire FMS costs is about $115,000 each. The FMS cost of a Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) is in excess of $25K each.

Maybe not, but Uncle Sam has. US Restocks Israel's Ammunition Supplies Hours After Condemning Attack On A UN School In Gaza

You will not find any similar legal apparatus or self-policing mechanism in the Arab Palestinian system. No Hostile Arab Palestinian review is anywhere nowhere near as moral as the Israel system.

If only the IDF took any notice whatsoever of the Israeli legal system:

Israeli Chief Rabbi To Troops: Ignore Courts, Commander, Just Kill Armed Palestinians

..: IDF Ignores Rulings of Israels Supreme Court :..

Yeah, OK, if I was attempting to hide something from you, I would not have given you the direct link back to the copied photo source. The Daily Stormer, photocopy just happened to be the first copied photo in the query. If you go to the query page, you will find that is the only one that replicates what you rendered.

I honestly don't think you were attempting to hide anything, your hubris just prevented you from bothering to check. Had you done so you'd have scrolled down and found 18 alternative versions of that photograph in both left wing and right wing media and sources that you could have chosen instead.
 
For example, you said, "non-Jews can not buy land that Jews can buy". Factually, legally, untrue. There is no land in Israel that is legally distinguished as being land that only Jews can buy. And if you can find me any such Israeli law, please present it.
Palestinian citizens of Israel cannot even claim their own land.

Gosh I wonder how many Palestinian citizens of Israel have opted to leave Israel? I don't know of even one. Do you?
 

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