Shusha
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... a democratic secular state will evolve in which people of different religions will have equal rights.
Newsflash! A democratic secular State in which people of different religions have equal rights already exists. Its called Israel.
Israel has control over about 4-5 million people that have no rights at all. Nothing democratic about it, unless you believe the way non-whites were considered non-citizens living in South African controlled Bantustans made Apartheid South Africa democratic.
And within Israel non-Jews do not have equal rights. Non-Jews cannot buy land that Jews can buy. Non-Jews in Israel cannot have family members non-citizens, even spouses, join them in Israel as Jews can. And, non-Jews whose ancestors owned homes in what is now Israel, have no right of return to their homes, whereas a person the claims to be of the Jewish faith can. Those are just a few examples. Now, the non-Jews under Israeli control outside of Israel, have no rights at all.
Oh come on! This is just an emotional outburst painfully lacking in facts.
Israel has control of 4-5 million people who have NO rights AT ALL?! You are talking about four very distinct groups of people here:
the Arab Israelis who have full and equal rights in all ways, and actually more rights than the Jewish people in our own land
the Arab Palestinians living under the authority of the PA and whose rights are largely determined by the PA
the Arab Palestinians living under the authority of Hamas and whose rights are largely determined by Hamas
the Arab Palestinians living in Area C
Israel's control over the four groups are distinctly different and every single one of these groups has fundamental rights. You would look much less like a Pom-Pom flailer (borrowing the term from Hollie) if you attempted to make a reasoned, educated and detailed argument based on facts about various rights of various peoples in the territories.
For example, you said, "non-Jews can not buy land that Jews can buy". Factually, legally, untrue. There is no land in Israel that is legally distinguished as being land that only Jews can buy. And if you can find me any such Israeli law, please present it.
You said, non-Jews in Israel can not have family member non-citizens join them but Jews can. Factually untrue. Its much, much more complicated than that. And yes, there is very likely to be practical discrimination, but it is not a legal discrimination as far as I understand. Again, if you can find me the specific Israeli law which discriminates by ethnicity, please let me know.
The right of return is a complicated political issue and deserves not to be treated as a one-liner.