Patriot Sarah Palin Storms D.C., Riot Police Show Up!

[Stephanie]

oh well the thread started out nice enough, put in the off in the badlands where they will take it...

I'm out of it

 

[theDoctorisIn]

No, Obama did. The National Parks fall under the executive branch and this is the first time in history with 17 previous government shutdowns, that our memorials were closed.

Obama did not write the rules for what closes and what does not during a gov't shutdown. That's where you people are just phucking WRONG:

Office of Management and Budget’s (OMB’s) website, at The White House
omb/contingency-plans.

When federal agencies and programs lack appropriated funding, they experience a funding gap.
Under the Antideficiency Act, they must cease operations, except in certain emergency situations
or when law authorizes continued activity. Failure of the President and Congress to reach
agreement on interim or full-year funding measures occasionally has caused government
shutdowns, the longest of which lasted 21 full days, from December 16, 1995, to January 6, 1996.
Government shutdowns have necessitated furloughs of several hundred thousand federal
employees, required cessation or reduction of many government activities, and affected numerous
sectors of the economy. This report discusses the causes, processes, and effects of federal
government shutdowns, including potential issues for Congress.
For questions concerning the impact of a shutdown on a specific agency or program,
congressional operations, or judicial operations,
• see the contact information for CRS subject matter experts who are listed in CRS
Report R41723, Funding Gaps and Government Shutdowns: CRS Experts,
coordinated by Clinton T. Brass;
• call CRS at 7-5700; or
• see the “Key Policy Staff” table at the end of this report.
For analysis of potential effects of a shutdown on the Department of Defense, see CRS Report
R41745, Government Shutdown: Operations of the Department of Defense During a Lapse in
Appropriations, by Pat Towell and Amy Belasco.
For analysis of the government’s contractual rights and how it could use these in the event of a
shutdown, see CRS Report R42469, Government Procurement in Times of Fiscal Uncertainty, by
Kate M. Manuel and Erika K. Lunder.
For discussion of funding gaps and a detailed chronology of two funding gaps that led to the two
shutdowns of FY1996, see CRS Report RS20348, Federal Funding Gaps: A Brief Overview, by
Jessica Tollestrup.
For an annotated list of historical documents and other resources related to past government
shutdowns, see CRS Report R41759, Past Government Shutdowns: Key Resources, by Jared C.
Nagel and Justin Murray.

Then perhaps you can explain why the memorials never closed during any previous shutdown.

But you probably can't.

Seriously? Are you old enough to remember the 95-96 shutdown?

 

[daveman]

This was updated September 2013 from the OMB, that's why. The POTUS does not dictate what shall close and what doesn't. The Office of Management and Budget does under the advice of CONGRESS.

OMB works for the White House, genius.

Office of Management and Budget | The White House

 

[HenryBHough]

OMB works for the White House, genius.

Something associated with The White House works?

Sorry, there's nothing to credit THAT claim!

 

[JakeStarkey]

Sarah is Sarah, so, yes the publicity hound is out of there.

But . . . in this case I don't mind her being Sarah because this is a for a good cause.

Good for her.

 

[daveman]

Obama did not write the rules for what closes and what does not during a gov't shutdown. That's where you people are just phucking WRONG:

Office of Management and Budget’s (OMB’s) website, at The White House
omb/contingency-plans.

When federal agencies and programs lack appropriated funding, they experience a funding gap.
Under the Antideficiency Act, they must cease operations, except in certain emergency situations
or when law authorizes continued activity. Failure of the President and Congress to reach
agreement on interim or full-year funding measures occasionally has caused government
shutdowns, the longest of which lasted 21 full days, from December 16, 1995, to January 6, 1996.
Government shutdowns have necessitated furloughs of several hundred thousand federal
employees, required cessation or reduction of many government activities, and affected numerous
sectors of the economy. This report discusses the causes, processes, and effects of federal
government shutdowns, including potential issues for Congress.
For questions concerning the impact of a shutdown on a specific agency or program,
congressional operations, or judicial operations,
• see the contact information for CRS subject matter experts who are listed in CRS
Report R41723, Funding Gaps and Government Shutdowns: CRS Experts,
coordinated by Clinton T. Brass;
• call CRS at 7-5700; or
• see the “Key Policy Staff” table at the end of this report.
For analysis of potential effects of a shutdown on the Department of Defense, see CRS Report
R41745, Government Shutdown: Operations of the Department of Defense During a Lapse in
Appropriations, by Pat Towell and Amy Belasco.
For analysis of the government’s contractual rights and how it could use these in the event of a
shutdown, see CRS Report R42469, Government Procurement in Times of Fiscal Uncertainty, by
Kate M. Manuel and Erika K. Lunder.
For discussion of funding gaps and a detailed chronology of two funding gaps that led to the two
shutdowns of FY1996, see CRS Report RS20348, Federal Funding Gaps: A Brief Overview, by
Jessica Tollestrup.
For an annotated list of historical documents and other resources related to past government
shutdowns, see CRS Report R41759, Past Government Shutdowns: Key Resources, by Jared C.
Nagel and Justin Murray.

Then perhaps you can explain why the memorials never closed during any previous shutdown.

But you probably can't.

Because they were closed.

1995 and 2013: Three differences between two shutdowns - CNN.com

You link doesn't mention the open-air memorials.

However, they were closed previously -- but people weren't denied access:

Obama's expensive, unprecedented monument and park closings | The Daily Caller

Although President Obama claims that he can’t avoid shutting down public sites and monuments, war memorials were in fact kept open during the 1995/1996 government shutdowns. The administration’s decision to barricade the Lincoln Memorial marks the first time in its history the memorial has been totally off limits to visitors during a shutdown.

The administration has also balked at efforts by non-governmental groups to maintain access to public sites. (Related: RNC offers to pay to keep WWII memorial open)

But during the Clinton-era shutdown, World War II veterans kept the Pearl Harbor memorial open.

“Despite the federal government shutdown and an unrepaired sign that reads ‘Arizona Memorial closed,’ tourists are still getting expert commentary about the World War II memorial at Pearl Harbor,” wrote the Associated Press on January 1, 1996.

“It’s our way of helping to preserve the history of this place,” Bob Kinzler, president of the Aloha Chapter of the Pearl Harbor Survivors, told the AP.

Barricades went up in national parks across Washington, D.C. Wednesday, including the Lincoln Memorial. This, too, was unprecedented.​

Meanwhile, the cost of keeping the memorials closed is GREATER than the cost of keeping them open:

The American people are currently paying for eight mounted cops to keep people out of the World War II memorial.

Daniel Burnett, a volunteer with Honor Flight, sent The Daily Caller FOAIed documents showing how much the Park Service is spending on the mounted police. To house, feed, and care for the horses it costs more than $41,000 year. Park police starting salary is $52,020, according to their website.​

 

[daveman]

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."
Sinclair Lewis, 1935

Ted Cruz, Sarah Palin, and the whole fucking Tea Party fall into right into this quote.

Lewis was wrong. When fascism comes to America, it will be carrying a protest sign and screeching, "It's for the CHILDREN!!"

 

[Sallow]

omg, a nationalist. so what are hater's like you exactly?
why do people like you hate this country and anyone who is patriotic to their country? so much they would join the military and parents like Sarah would watch their sons and daughters go off to fight and die for people like YOU to enjoy the Freedoms you now have...
you and quite a few others here have become quite a hater of someone who now has no bearing on any of you all's pathetic lives

I don't hate the country at all, quite the opposite.

And what about Palin, or even her family..makes her a Patriot? Her father was a school teacher. Was he in the military? I can't find anything on that. Anyone in the Heath Family in the military? I do remember Todd Palin was part of an Alaska secessionist movement. That's not very patriotic.

Was Sarah Palin in the military? I don't remember seeing anything about that. Track Palin went to Iraq. Good for him.

Sarah has an agenda. She wants an America that fits her point of view. All other point of views be damned. That's not an America as described by the Constitution.

Here..let me introduce you to a real patriot.



See how that works?

Supports an American President he doesn't politically agree with.

That's patriotism.

 

[Sallow]

Then perhaps you can explain why the memorials never closed during any previous shutdown.

But you probably can't.

Because they were closed.

1995 and 2013: Three differences between two shutdowns - CNN.com

You link doesn't mention the open-air memorials.

However, they were closed previously -- but people weren't denied access:

Obama's expensive, unprecedented monument and park closings | The Daily Caller

Although President Obama claims that he can’t avoid shutting down public sites and monuments, war memorials were in fact kept open during the 1995/1996 government shutdowns. The administration’s decision to barricade the Lincoln Memorial marks the first time in its history the memorial has been totally off limits to visitors during a shutdown.

The administration has also balked at efforts by non-governmental groups to maintain access to public sites. (Related: RNC offers to pay to keep WWII memorial open)

But during the Clinton-era shutdown, World War II veterans kept the Pearl Harbor memorial open.

“Despite the federal government shutdown and an unrepaired sign that reads ‘Arizona Memorial closed,’ tourists are still getting expert commentary about the World War II memorial at Pearl Harbor,” wrote the Associated Press on January 1, 1996.

“It’s our way of helping to preserve the history of this place,” Bob Kinzler, president of the Aloha Chapter of the Pearl Harbor Survivors, told the AP.

Barricades went up in national parks across Washington, D.C. Wednesday, including the Lincoln Memorial. This, too, was unprecedented.​

Meanwhile, the cost of keeping the memorials closed is GREATER than the cost of keeping them open:

The American people are currently paying for eight mounted cops to keep people out of the World War II memorial.

Daniel Burnett, a volunteer with Honor Flight, sent The Daily Caller FOAIed documents showing how much the Park Service is spending on the mounted police. To house, feed, and care for the horses it costs more than $41,000 year. Park police starting salary is $52,020, according to their website.​

Citing the Daily Caller? Really?

Conservative website accused of paying prostitutes to lie about sex with senator - CBS News

 

[daveman]

Obama did not write the rules for what closes and what does not during a gov't shutdown. That's where you people are just phucking WRONG:

Office of Management and Budget’s (OMB’s) website, at The White House
omb/contingency-plans.

When federal agencies and programs lack appropriated funding, they experience a funding gap.
Under the Antideficiency Act, they must cease operations, except in certain emergency situations
or when law authorizes continued activity. Failure of the President and Congress to reach
agreement on interim or full-year funding measures occasionally has caused government
shutdowns, the longest of which lasted 21 full days, from December 16, 1995, to January 6, 1996.
Government shutdowns have necessitated furloughs of several hundred thousand federal
employees, required cessation or reduction of many government activities, and affected numerous
sectors of the economy. This report discusses the causes, processes, and effects of federal
government shutdowns, including potential issues for Congress.
For questions concerning the impact of a shutdown on a specific agency or program,
congressional operations, or judicial operations,
• see the contact information for CRS subject matter experts who are listed in CRS
Report R41723, Funding Gaps and Government Shutdowns: CRS Experts,
coordinated by Clinton T. Brass;
• call CRS at 7-5700; or
• see the “Key Policy Staff” table at the end of this report.
For analysis of potential effects of a shutdown on the Department of Defense, see CRS Report
R41745, Government Shutdown: Operations of the Department of Defense During a Lapse in
Appropriations, by Pat Towell and Amy Belasco.
For analysis of the government’s contractual rights and how it could use these in the event of a
shutdown, see CRS Report R42469, Government Procurement in Times of Fiscal Uncertainty, by
Kate M. Manuel and Erika K. Lunder.
For discussion of funding gaps and a detailed chronology of two funding gaps that led to the two
shutdowns of FY1996, see CRS Report RS20348, Federal Funding Gaps: A Brief Overview, by
Jessica Tollestrup.
For an annotated list of historical documents and other resources related to past government
shutdowns, see CRS Report R41759, Past Government Shutdowns: Key Resources, by Jared C.
Nagel and Justin Murray.

Then perhaps you can explain why the memorials never closed during any previous shutdown.

But you probably can't.

Seriously? Are you old enough to remember the 95-96 shutdown?

It's amazing what one can find on the internet.

Gadsden Times - Google News Archive Search

 

[daveman]

OMB works for the White House, genius.

Something associated with The White House works?

Sorry, there's nothing to credit THAT claim!

Well...they get paid, and follow Obama's orders...

 

[daveman]

Because they were closed.

1995 and 2013: Three differences between two shutdowns - CNN.com

You link doesn't mention the open-air memorials.

However, they were closed previously -- but people weren't denied access:

Obama's expensive, unprecedented monument and park closings | The Daily Caller

Although President Obama claims that he can’t avoid shutting down public sites and monuments, war memorials were in fact kept open during the 1995/1996 government shutdowns. The administration’s decision to barricade the Lincoln Memorial marks the first time in its history the memorial has been totally off limits to visitors during a shutdown.

The administration has also balked at efforts by non-governmental groups to maintain access to public sites. (Related: RNC offers to pay to keep WWII memorial open)

But during the Clinton-era shutdown, World War II veterans kept the Pearl Harbor memorial open.

“Despite the federal government shutdown and an unrepaired sign that reads ‘Arizona Memorial closed,’ tourists are still getting expert commentary about the World War II memorial at Pearl Harbor,” wrote the Associated Press on January 1, 1996.

“It’s our way of helping to preserve the history of this place,” Bob Kinzler, president of the Aloha Chapter of the Pearl Harbor Survivors, told the AP.

Barricades went up in national parks across Washington, D.C. Wednesday, including the Lincoln Memorial. This, too, was unprecedented.​

Meanwhile, the cost of keeping the memorials closed is GREATER than the cost of keeping them open:

The American people are currently paying for eight mounted cops to keep people out of the World War II memorial.

Daniel Burnett, a volunteer with Honor Flight, sent The Daily Caller FOAIed documents showing how much the Park Service is spending on the mounted police. To house, feed, and care for the horses it costs more than $41,000 year. Park police starting salary is $52,020, according to their website.​

Citing the Daily Caller? Really?

Conservative website accused of paying prostitutes to lie about sex with senator - CBS News

I accept your acknowledgement that you are unable to refute the article's claims.

Meanwhile, your CBS article is laughable. "A Dominican prosecutor said Friday that a local attorney told him someone claiming to work for the conservative website The Daily Caller paid him to find prostitutes who would lie about having sex with U.S. Sen. Robert Menendez."

Third-hand information. And you fell for it. Sucker!!

 

[Stephanie]

they allow some people to overrun any thread...

Quote: Originally Posted by NoTeaPartyPleez View Post
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."
Sinclair Lewis, 1935

Ted Cruz, Sarah Palin, and the whole fucking Tea Party fall into right into this quote.

I'm sorry, but it's turned this place into something not likable

 

[aaronleland]

Sarah is Sarah, so, yes the publicity hound is out of there.

But . . . in this case I don't mind her being Sarah because this is a for a good cause.

Good for her.

It's still a case of her doing the right thing for the wrong reason. I'd be willing to give her the benefit of the doubt if she wasn't such an attention whore.

 

[Sallow]

Then perhaps you can explain why the memorials never closed during any previous shutdown.

But you probably can't.

Seriously? Are you old enough to remember the 95-96 shutdown?

It's amazing what one can find on the internet.

Gadsden Times - Google News Archive Search

Eyah..

Sanford Repeats Claim That DC Memorials Were Open During Last Shutdown

Same suspects..same complaints.

When you shut down the government..what do you think that means, exactly?

 

[aaronleland]

they allow some people to overrun any thread...

Quote: Originally Posted by NoTeaPartyPleez View Post
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."
Sinclair Lewis, 1935

Ted Cruz, Sarah Palin, and the whole fucking Tea Party fall into right into this quote.

I'm sorry, but it's turned this place into something not likable

I'm sure the next time a liberal makes a thread that is overrun by people who disagree you will be the first to come in and defend the OP against them.

 

[Sallow]

You link doesn't mention the open-air memorials.

However, they were closed previously -- but people weren't denied access:

Obama's expensive, unprecedented monument and park closings | The Daily Caller

Although President Obama claims that he can’t avoid shutting down public sites and monuments, war memorials were in fact kept open during the 1995/1996 government shutdowns. The administration’s decision to barricade the Lincoln Memorial marks the first time in its history the memorial has been totally off limits to visitors during a shutdown.

The administration has also balked at efforts by non-governmental groups to maintain access to public sites. (Related: RNC offers to pay to keep WWII memorial open)

But during the Clinton-era shutdown, World War II veterans kept the Pearl Harbor memorial open.

“Despite the federal government shutdown and an unrepaired sign that reads ‘Arizona Memorial closed,’ tourists are still getting expert commentary about the World War II memorial at Pearl Harbor,” wrote the Associated Press on January 1, 1996.

“It’s our way of helping to preserve the history of this place,” Bob Kinzler, president of the Aloha Chapter of the Pearl Harbor Survivors, told the AP.

Barricades went up in national parks across Washington, D.C. Wednesday, including the Lincoln Memorial. This, too, was unprecedented.​

Meanwhile, the cost of keeping the memorials closed is GREATER than the cost of keeping them open:

The American people are currently paying for eight mounted cops to keep people out of the World War II memorial.

Daniel Burnett, a volunteer with Honor Flight, sent The Daily Caller FOAIed documents showing how much the Park Service is spending on the mounted police. To house, feed, and care for the horses it costs more than $41,000 year. Park police starting salary is $52,020, according to their website.​

Citing the Daily Caller? Really?

Conservative website accused of paying prostitutes to lie about sex with senator - CBS News

I accept your acknowledgement that you are unable to refute the article's claims.

Meanwhile, your CBS article is laughable. "A Dominican prosecutor said Friday that a local attorney told him someone claiming to work for the conservative website The Daily Caller paid him to find prostitutes who would lie about having sex with U.S. Sen. Robert Menendez."

Third-hand information. And you fell for it. Sucker!!

Fell for what?

The Daily Caller, lied.

Menendez is still in office.

 

[Sarah G]

Really? The National Park Service works for Ted Cruz?

What derangement syndrome?

This thread was started by a conservative.

He falsely labeled Palin a "patriot".

That's incorrect. Palin is a "Nationalist".

And really not much of one.

She's doing this to keep her name in the media.

omg, a nationalist. so what are hater's like you exactly?
why do people like you hate this country and anyone who is patriotic to their country? so much they would join the military and parents like Sarah would watch their sons and daughters go off to fight and die for people like YOU to enjoy the Freedoms you now have...
you and quite a few others here have become quite a hater of someone who now has no bearing on any of you all's pathetic lives

If she were patriotic, she would not have quit the office as governor of Alaska to criscross the country making money for herself.

She is in it for herself... and the money.

 

[bianco]

Go Sarah!



Is there a woman in America who hasn't had breast augmentation? not that there's anything wrong with that.

 

[daveman]

Seriously? Are you old enough to remember the 95-96 shutdown?

It's amazing what one can find on the internet.

Gadsden Times - Google News Archive Search

Eyah..

Sanford Repeats Claim That DC Memorials Were Open During Last Shutdown

Same suspects..same complaints.

When you shut down the government..what do you think that means, exactly?

So...your answer to the newspaper article that showed people were allowed access to the memorials is to:

1. Pretend it's not there, and

2. Post progressive talking points.

You fail. Yet again, you fail.