Zone1 Paying Reparations for the Past

[IM2]

That makes it sound as though you are more interested in the partisan politics than the justice of reparations.

Why do you believe that the Democrats - now fully in power - are not even discussing reparations?

Except they are the ones who have been listening. I do think that working on this inflation and Ukraine might be higher priorities. Republicans won't even vote for voting rights.

 

[IM2]

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Hey! I'll make you a deal. The blacks in the United States have to pay back all the money given to them by the US government to the ACLU, other black agencies and universities, along with other money slotted just for blacks for housing, food, scholarships, endowments, employment opportunities, etc,... along with the interest that would have accumulated at say 5% interest and we'll consider doling out say a trillion dollars to be divided equally all among black people in the United States.

*****SMILE*****

No, that's not a deal since whites have received many times more the amount. You don't get to consider anything. Unless you become a member of congress.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Except they are the ones who have been listening. I do think that working on this inflation and Ukraine might be higher priorities. Republicans won't even vote for voting rights.

This is why the Dems take the Black voters in this country for granted and concentrate their actual help on other minorities. If all Black voters want if for Dems to "listen" and to call Republicans "racists," then why should they ever do more?

 

[IM2]

They're in office already so they dont give a shit.
Wait until the next presidential election and they'll run on the same lies like they always do. And blacks will fall for it yet again.

What lies? Because Republican policies suck. So lets quit pretending voting republican is a viable option for blacks.

 

[IM2]

This is why the Dems take the Black voters in this country for granted and concentrate their actual help on other minorities. If all Black voters want if for Dems to "listen" and to call Republicans "racists," then why should they ever do more?

Democrats have done more than listen and republicans don't even do that. Right now the republican party is controlled by racists. I you don't like hearing that, stop supporting them.

 

[IM2]

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That was before the breakup.

Your case is being brought up after the Confederacy existed.

Do pay attention.

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Except my case really has nothing to do with the confederacy. You racists shamelessly try any dodge you can.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Democrats have done more than listen and republicans don't even do that. Right now the republican party is controlled by racists. I you don't like hearing that, stop supporting them.

I don't, I'm libertarian. Apologies, I should have agreed earlier when you said that Republicans give reparations to corporations. They do, especially the Military Industrial Complex.

I don't like the idea of reparations for anyone, but if we are going to have them, clearly American Blacks should be first in line.

The Democrats are not so busy with Ukraine that they can't give massive settlements to illegal aliens and full social services to new illegal aliens, including plane rides to whatever cities their traffickers tell them to go to. They seem to have plenty of time to cater to Trump bashers with one hearing after another, and their work on behalf of the radical LGBT-Q community goes on unimpeded by inflation.

They have plenty of time to investigate people the teacher's unions don't like as "domestic terrorists." But nothing for blacks, who built this country with their blood and sweat, and were thwarted over and over in trying to be full citizens, not just a hundred fifty years ago, but to this day.

Free surgeries for transgender pre-teens, but nothing for you?

Why not y'all? If not now, when? If not Biden, who?

 

[IM2]

I don't, I'm libertarian. Apologies, I should have agreed earlier when you said that Republicans give reparations to corporations. They do, especially the Military Industrial Complex.

I don't like the idea of reparations for anyone, but if we are going to have them, clearly American Blacks should be first in line.

The Democrats are not so busy with Ukraine that they can't give massive settlements to illegal aliens and full social services to new illegal aliens, including plane rides to whatever cities their traffickers tell them to go to. They seem to have plenty of time to cater to Trump bashers with one hearing after another, and their work on behalf of the radical LGBT-Q community goes on unimpeded by inflation.

They have plenty of time to investigate people the teacher's unions don't like as "domestic terrorists." But nothing for blacks, who built this country with their blood and sweat, and were thwarted over and over in trying to be full citizens, not just a hundred fifty years ago, but to this day.

Free surgeries for transgender pre-teens, but nothing for you?

Why not y'all? If not now, when? If not Biden, who?

I don't think massive settlements are going to every illegal immigrant and there is the matter of how much blacks should be paid and how the money should be disbursed. Finally, please quit acting like blacks are the only ones who have ever demanded reparations.

I find it funny how some whites try telling us about our politics.

H.R.40 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): Commission to Study and Develop Reparation Proposals for African-Americans Act

Summary of H.R.40 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): Commission to Study and Develop Reparation Proposals for African-Americans Act

www.congress.gov

 

[Seymour Flops]

I don't think massive settlements are going to every illegal immigrant and there is the matter of how much blacks should be paid and how the money should be disbursed. Finally, please quit acting like blacks are the only ones who have ever demanded reparations.

I find it funny how some whites try telling us about our politics.

H.R.40 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): Commission to Study and Develop Reparation Proposals for African-Americans Act

Summary of H.R.40 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): Commission to Study and Develop Reparation Proposals for African-Americans Act

www.congress.gov

No, the settlements are not going to every illegal immigrant.

My point is that the Dems have prioritized every single minority with a grievance of any kind, no matter how frivolous, over the very real grievances of Black Americans.

You don't want to hear from me because I am white? So be it, I'll stop talking. But, I assume that you do not apply the same to the white bosses of the Democratic Party, otherwise you would not be so loyal to them, no matter how they treat you.

 

[IM2]

No, the settlements are not going to every illegal immigrant.

My point is that the Dems have prioritized every single minority with a grievance of any kind, no matter how frivolous, over the very real grievances of Black Americans.

You don't want to hear from me because I am white? So be it, I'll stop talking. But, I assume that you do not apply the same to the white bosses of the Democratic Party, otherwise you would not be so loyal to them, no matter how they treat you.

Not really Seymour.

A black man is in charge of the DNC. Blacks chair committees in congress. The Democratic caucus is chaired by a black man. So you're being a bit disingenuous because there are other things blacks are concerned with that Democrats have fought for but since 10 republicans are needed in the senate they can't get it done. Things like voting rights and law enforcement reform.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

What lies? Because Republican policies suck. So lets quit pretending voting republican is a viable option for blacks.

Keep on believing your dem overlords ....sucker.

 

[Toro]

As a black man, I philosophically oppose paying reparations.

Pierre Trudeau, former PM of Canada and much smarter dad of Justin Trudeau, agrees with me. He said

"A government can only be just in its time."

None of the modern day people are guilty of the past.

If you believe they are, then if you're black and your ancestors committed crimes, then you too are guilty of committing crimes, and need to pay restitution to society. So black people whose great grandparents committed crimes need to go to prison or pay fines even if they've never committed crimes. Because reparations for past crimes and injustices.

(White people too.)

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

No. This is a case against the government.

Who funds the government?

 

[IM2]

As a black man, I philosophically oppose paying reparations.

Pierre Trudeau, former PM of Canada and much smarter dad of Justin Trudeau, agrees with me. He said

"A government can only be just in its time."

None of the modern day people are guilty of the past.

If you believe they are, then if you're black and your ancestors committed crimes, then you too are guilty of committing crimes, and need to pay restitution to society. So black people whose great grandparents committed crimes need to go to prison or pay fines even if they've never committed crimes. Because reparations for past crimes and injustices.

(White people too.)

Your argument is stupid. Blacks did not make slavery legal, they did not create black codes, apartheid, convct leasing, the acts of racial terror, restrictive cvenants, redlining, contract selling and a myriad of other things this government allowed. Furthermore whites have recieved direct economic assstance from the government that blcks were basically excluded from on a least 4 occasiabns, Headrights, Hmstead Acts, New Deal, Servicemens readjustment Act. I provided oone example of reparations paid forpast gocernment wrongs. Basically the opposition to reparations for blacks is based on racism and ignorance relative to the matter of reparaations.

 

[IM2]

Who funds the government?

The same people who funded the reparations Native American tribes have received for crimes committed before you were born.

 

[IM2]

You guys really don't have an argument. You have been shown just 1 of many examples of the government paying reparations in modern times for what was done in the past.

The Treaty of Washington is a treaty between the United States and representatives of the Ottawa and Chippewa nations of Native Americans. With this treaty, the tribes ceded an area of approximately 13,837,207 acres (55,997 km²) in the northwest portion of the Lower Peninsula of Michigan and the eastern portion of the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. This area represents approximately 37% of the current land area of the state of Michigan.

The treaty was concluded and signed on March 28, 1836 in Washington D.C. by Henry Schoolcraft, Indian Commissioner for the United States and several representatives of the Native American nations. The treaty was proclaimed on May 27, 1836.

Treaty of Washington (1836) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Nobody here was alive in 1836 and nobody alive in 1986 were around when the Treaty of Washington was signed either. But in 1986 the U.S. government awarded the Ottawas of Michigan 32 million dollars in reparations payments.

LibGuides: Reparations in the United States: Home

An Historical Timeline of Reparations Payments Made From 1783 through 2022 by the United States Government, States, Cities, Religious Institutions, Universities, Corporations, and Communities

guides.library.umass.edu

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

The same people who funded the reparations Native American tribes have received for crimes committed before you were born.

Sorry...I had nothing to do with the indians or slaves.

 

[IM2]

Sorry...I had nothing to do with the indians or slaves.

What you didn't do is irrelevant. This is about what the government allowed.

 

[ninja007]

blacks get reperations every first of the month for 50 plus years.

 

[westwall]

The opposition to black reparations is based on sheer racist hatred. Precedents have been set as other groups who have been harmed by the government have received reparations. As for the tired worn out excuse of “why should I pay for something I did not do,” here is an example of reparations made in modern times for things done by past generations:

I am quite sure no one living in 1980 was alive when the U.S. government made the Fort Laramie treaty with the Sioux Nation or were participants in Custers violation of that treaty. Nor were they alive when President Grant decided it was OK to let settlers and people prospecting for gold tresspass into land promised to the Sioux thereby violating the treaty. No one in 1980 was alive when the U.S. government decided to take the land from the Sioux by military force. No one in 1980 was alive when the U.S. government decided to cut off supplies they promised the Sioux as condition for their surrender after whipping the U.S. Army at The Battle of Little Bighorn. But in 1980, the government of the United States decided reparations were due to the Sioux Nation for what was done to them in the 1800’s. They awarded the Sioux nation 105 million dollars. Now to our Sioux Nation brothers and sisters, let me say that money is just a pittance of what you are truly owed, but my point here is to render the excuses made in opposition to reparations for blacks to what it is, the racist refusal to take responsibility for what this government has done to black citizens of this nation.

United States v. Sioux Nation of Indians :: 448 U.S. 371 (1980) :: Justia US Supreme Court Center, United States v. Sioux Nation of Indians, 448 U.S. 371 (1980)

When mentioning situations like the one cited above, I get told how the government made treaties with the First Nations and how treaties are not reparations. Inevitably there is always one person who calls themselves being a smart aleck who will ask me to show any treaties blacks made with the government. This dumbing down of our culture is the result of listening to victimhood radio, better known as right wing talk radio.

The Webster’s definition of reparations: a repairing or keeping in repair, b. reparations plural : REPAIRS 2a: the act of making amends, offering expiation, or giving satisfaction for a wrong or injury; b: something done or given as amends or satisfaction, 3: the payment of damages : INDEMNIFICATION specifically : compensation in money or materials payable by a defeated nation for damages to or expenditures sustained by another nation as a result of hostilities with the defeated nation. The treaties made to First Nations set the precedent for American government payment of reparations. The government has consistently paid citizens of the First Nations reparations although the truth of the matter is that there will NEVER, EVER be enough United States currency printed to provide the proper reparations the First Nations deserve. Still whatever feeble effort that has been made has also been done in recent times to repay for things no one today was alive do do. Therefore the opposition to black reparations based on that argument is without merit.

No, it isn't. It's based on the fact that none of you deserve it.