PC Gone Bizerk!

[Oldguy]

I thought you libs believe in equality. Shouldn't everyone qualify for subsidized student loans if you are going to subsidize them while they are in school?

My subsidized loans only paid for a small portion of my degree, and it was only for 3 years. The vast majority of my loans were unsubsidized stafford loans and private loans.

And, I thought you righties wanted to curtail federal spending. Yet, here you are suggesting we ought to just give away MORE federal money to keep from changing a government form.

Talk about PC!

If you're going to have stupid programs that just cause the cost of education to go up to benefit liberal institutions, why discriminate? I thought you libs love equality. So why would the income levels of someone's guardians or parents matter to an applicant that is a legal adult that the parent or guardian is in no way financilaly responsible for by law any more? The entire FAFSA is discriminatory because it will deny people federal benefits based upon the income levels of people who are not legally obligated to provide for them anymore.

If you were a college student, over 18 and estranged from your parents, but they are rich, you will be denied those benefits despite not getting a penny in support from your parents. Do you approve of that?

Oh, now we're going to shift the focus once again to the whole student aid program! How much farther can you retreat from the original premise before starting a whole new thread is warranted?

This one is done. Thread fail.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

FAFSA Modernizes to Recognize LGBT Families | Center for American Progress

everyone must sacrifice so a tiny group of deviants can feel included.

What are you sacrificing?

Reality.

How is that?

 

[buckeye45_73]

Another classic example of the right-wing propaganda machine at work!

Somebody first spins the story (don't know who yet, but I think it's the predictable Washington Times), leaving out a couple of important points, then it's picked up by every other right wing "news" outlet and quickly spread around to the Nutter websites and blog sites. Within the past 3 days, it's already generated NINE PAGES of mostly ultra-right hits on Google and a good many of them include the word "Obama." Google it yourself and see. Then, of course, some water-carrier brings it here and the outpouring of emotional response begins.

That, of course, is the objective. Truth is not the goal here. It's to get you stirred up, angry and frightened. And, being conditioned to react to any OMG! OBAMA thing that comes along, you all react just as planned because they KNOW you won't take the time to look behind the story and see what they're doing. Worse, they know you don't CARE to know the truth and that's probably the most troubling aspect of the whole, well-oiled machine which keeps this shit going. Too many people are willingly compliant.

Thank goodness you have me to set you straight.

Now...here's the REAL story behind the propaganda:

Yes, the Department of Education is doing just what the OP story says. It involves changing the wording on the Free Application for Federal Student Aid form (FAFSA). That form asks income information so the government can determine whether or not a student meets the income requirements for a student loan. In the past, it asked for the income of the student's "Father" and "Mother."

But, this is the 21st century and not every student comes from a family with a biological Father and Mother. There are now more types of families than there were when the program first started back in the 1960's.

So, in response to our changing demographics, Congress updated the relevant law (the Higher Education Act) in 2008 (No, Obama wasn't President then). Among other things, Congress directed the Department of Education to update its rules and regulations to reflect the new reality of American families. This is a part of that Congressionally mandated action.

Here's WHY it's prudent to change the wording on that form:

"....Secretary of Education Arne Duncan said, "All students should be able to apply for federal student aid within a system that incorporates their unique family dynamics…. [that] provide an inclusive form that reflects the diversity of American families."

In the past, the FSAF has been used by the Department of Education to collect information about a student's parents – only if they were married. The change allows for legal parents to be identified if they are biological or adoptive and unmarried and accounts for same-sex marriage parents...."

Read more at Department of Education to Eliminate 'Mother,' 'Father' From Federal Student Aid Forms

See? It's not a conspiracy, a sign of some impending socialist takeover or even anything Obama has done. It's simply an effort to deal with the realities of today and make the system fair for everybody.

But, who cares about all that, right? IT'S OBAMA I TELL YA! IT'S OBAMA! OMG!

Don't y'all EVER get tired of being played, or do you just like being pawns?

you just contradicted yourself....look we all know it's for the homos....it's not like we didnt get that little fact. Again Liberals redefining things....I think we should have 6 parent families....Jesus you people are retarded

 

[Oldguy]

Another classic example of the right-wing propaganda machine at work!

Somebody first spins the story (don't know who yet, but I think it's the predictable Washington Times), leaving out a couple of important points, then it's picked up by every other right wing "news" outlet and quickly spread around to the Nutter websites and blog sites. Within the past 3 days, it's already generated NINE PAGES of mostly ultra-right hits on Google and a good many of them include the word "Obama." Google it yourself and see. Then, of course, some water-carrier brings it here and the outpouring of emotional response begins.

That, of course, is the objective. Truth is not the goal here. It's to get you stirred up, angry and frightened. And, being conditioned to react to any OMG! OBAMA thing that comes along, you all react just as planned because they KNOW you won't take the time to look behind the story and see what they're doing. Worse, they know you don't CARE to know the truth and that's probably the most troubling aspect of the whole, well-oiled machine which keeps this shit going. Too many people are willingly compliant.

Thank goodness you have me to set you straight.

Now...here's the REAL story behind the propaganda:

Yes, the Department of Education is doing just what the OP story says. It involves changing the wording on the Free Application for Federal Student Aid form (FAFSA). That form asks income information so the government can determine whether or not a student meets the income requirements for a student loan. In the past, it asked for the income of the student's "Father" and "Mother."

But, this is the 21st century and not every student comes from a family with a biological Father and Mother. There are now more types of families than there were when the program first started back in the 1960's.

So, in response to our changing demographics, Congress updated the relevant law (the Higher Education Act) in 2008 (No, Obama wasn't President then). Among other things, Congress directed the Department of Education to update its rules and regulations to reflect the new reality of American families. This is a part of that Congressionally mandated action.

Here's WHY it's prudent to change the wording on that form:

"....Secretary of Education Arne Duncan said, "All students should be able to apply for federal student aid within a system that incorporates their unique family dynamics…. [that] provide an inclusive form that reflects the diversity of American families."

In the past, the FSAF has been used by the Department of Education to collect information about a student's parents – only if they were married. The change allows for legal parents to be identified if they are biological or adoptive and unmarried and accounts for same-sex marriage parents...."

Read more at Department of Education to Eliminate 'Mother,' 'Father' From Federal Student Aid Forms

See? It's not a conspiracy, a sign of some impending socialist takeover or even anything Obama has done. It's simply an effort to deal with the realities of today and make the system fair for everybody.

But, who cares about all that, right? IT'S OBAMA I TELL YA! IT'S OBAMA! OMG!

Don't y'all EVER get tired of being played, or do you just like being pawns?

you just contradicted yourself....look we all know it's for the homos....it's not like we didnt get that little fact. Again Liberals redefining things....I think we should have 6 parent families....Jesus you people are retarded

Have you always had a problem with reading comprehension, or did it just develop after you became an Obamaphobe?

 

[LoneLaugher]

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So...it's "stupid" to ask how much money a family makes before giving away YOUR tax money?

I thought you libs believe in equality. Shouldn't everyone qualify for subsidized student loans if you are going to subsidize them while they are in school?

My subsidized loans only paid for a small portion of my degree, and it was only for 3 years. The vast majority of my loans were unsubsidized stafford loans and private loans.

Idiot,

Liberals do not "believe in" equality. Inequality, in moderate doses, is a very good thing. It provides incentive.

Learn something about Liberals, please.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Those opposed to the change, please discuss why you are opposed.

Thanks.

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So...it's "stupid" to ask how much money a family makes before giving away YOUR tax money?

No its stupid having it written as parent 1 and parent 2 thats so retarded, I didnt know a guy can poop out a kid, Boy you learn something new on here every day and I wouldnt want to be describe as just "parent 2" 2nd place is just the 1st loser.

 

[Oldguy]

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So...it's "stupid" to ask how much money a family makes before giving away YOUR tax money?

No its stupid having it written as parent 1 and parent 2 thats so retarded, I didnt know a guy can poop out a kid, Boy you learn something new on here every day and I wouldnt want to be describe as just "parent 2" 2nd place is just the 1st loser.

Alright. How should it be written to include the income data from un-married, co-habitating, non-biological authority figures supporting the applying student? If parent 1 and parent 2 doesn't suit you, what does?

 

[Wyatt earp]

So...it's "stupid" to ask how much money a family makes before giving away YOUR tax money?

No its stupid having it written as parent 1 and parent 2 thats so retarded, I didnt know a guy can poop out a kid, Boy you learn something new on here every day and I wouldnt want to be describe as just "parent 2" 2nd place is just the 1st loser.

Alright. How should it be written to include the income data from un-married, co-habitating, non-biological authority figures supporting the applying student? If parent 1 and parent 2 doesn't suit you, what does?

Oh I dont know, how about Mother and Father. just a thought and write the names in like they have been doing.

 

[Oldguy]

No its stupid having it written as parent 1 and parent 2 thats so retarded, I didnt know a guy can poop out a kid, Boy you learn something new on here every day and I wouldnt want to be describe as just "parent 2" 2nd place is just the 1st loser.

Alright. How should it be written to include the income data from un-married, co-habitating, non-biological authority figures supporting the applying student? If parent 1 and parent 2 doesn't suit you, what does?

Oh I dont know, how about Mother and Father. just a thought and write the names in like they have been doing.

That's what it says now and those terms don't account for applicants not living with their Mothers and Fathers.

Don't you get it yet?

 

[buckeye45_73]

Those opposed to the change, please discuss why you are opposed.

Thanks.

Is this a serious question?

Why are you opposed to change, climate change? After all it is the 21st century

 

[Mr. H.]

Another classic example of the right-wing propaganda machine at work!

Somebody first spins the story (don't know who yet, but I think it's the predictable Washington Times), leaving out a couple of important points, then it's picked up by every other right wing "news" outlet and quickly spread around to the Nutter websites and blog sites. Within the past 3 days, it's already generated NINE PAGES of mostly ultra-right hits on Google and a good many of them include the word "Obama." Google it yourself and see. Then, of course, some water-carrier brings it here and the outpouring of emotional response begins.

That, of course, is the objective. Truth is not the goal here. It's to get you stirred up, angry and frightened. And, being conditioned to react to any OMG! OBAMA thing that comes along, you all react just as planned because they KNOW you won't take the time to look behind the story and see what they're doing. Worse, they know you don't CARE to know the truth and that's probably the most troubling aspect of the whole, well-oiled machine which keeps this shit going. Too many people are willingly compliant.

Thank goodness you have me to set you straight.

Now...here's the REAL story behind the propaganda:

Yes, the Department of Education is doing just what the OP story says. It involves changing the wording on the Free Application for Federal Student Aid form (FAFSA). That form asks income information so the government can determine whether or not a student meets the income requirements for a student loan. In the past, it asked for the income of the student's "Father" and "Mother."

But, this is the 21st century and not every student comes from a family with a biological Father and Mother. There are now more types of families than there were when the program first started back in the 1960's.

So, in response to our changing demographics, Congress updated the relevant law (the Higher Education Act) in 2008 (No, Obama wasn't President then). Among other things, Congress directed the Department of Education to update its rules and regulations to reflect the new reality of American families. This is a part of that Congressionally mandated action.

Here's WHY it's prudent to change the wording on that form:

"....Secretary of Education Arne Duncan said, "All students should be able to apply for federal student aid within a system that incorporates their unique family dynamics…. [that] provide an inclusive form that reflects the diversity of American families."

In the past, the FSAF has been used by the Department of Education to collect information about a student's parents – only if they were married. The change allows for legal parents to be identified if they are biological or adoptive and unmarried and accounts for same-sex marriage parents...."

Read more at Department of Education to Eliminate 'Mother,' 'Father' From Federal Student Aid Forms

See? It's not a conspiracy, a sign of some impending socialist takeover or even anything Obama has done. It's simply an effort to deal with the realities of today and make the system fair for everybody.

But, who cares about all that, right? IT'S OBAMA I TELL YA! IT'S OBAMA! OMG!

Don't y'all EVER get tired of being played, or do you just like being pawns?

The old "21st Century" gambit. Get with it, or get over it. LOL

The century belongs to all, not just the re-writers of sense and sensibility.

So...you're for asking a student applying for a federal loan (YOUR tax money) about whatever income his parents have ONLY IF they are married? You're not interested in how much his unmarried or adoptive parents make?

I am referring to the hackneyed "21st Century" phrase used by the Left as justification for thrusting society away from long-established mores, morals, and traditions.

Anyone not on board, or who chooses to adhere to their own beliefs and standards are not a part of the Liberal "21st Century" and are castigated and demeaned for it.

Like I say, the century belongs to all.

 

[Oldguy]

The old "21st Century" gambit. Get with it, or get over it. LOL

The century belongs to all, not just the re-writers of sense and sensibility.

So...you're for asking a student applying for a federal loan (YOUR tax money) about whatever income his parents have ONLY IF they are married? You're not interested in how much his unmarried or adoptive parents make?

I am referring to the hackneyed "21st Century" phrase used by the Left as justification for thrusting society away from long-established mores, morals, and traditions.

Anyone not on board, or who chooses to adhere to their own beliefs and standards are not a part of the Liberal "21st Century" and are castigated and demeaned for it.

Like I say, the century belongs to all.

What the hell does that have to do with this? All the DOEd wants to know is how much income an applicant's family has.

 

[mudwhistle]

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Well wait a minute here.

Couldn't the term "Parent" hurt someone's "feelings" too?

Maybe they should be called "Guardian Human" or perhaps "Temporarily Managing Sentient Being".

Gosh, someone should complain. This is very, very mean.

.

They could change Parent to "originator, procreator, progenitor, wellspring".

 

[theDoctorisIn]

The FAFSA form doesn't care about the biological parents. That's not the information that matters to them.

The "reality" is that thousands of children are, at this moment, being raised by same-sex couples - and the FAFSA form changes reflect that reality.

 

[Mr. H.]

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Well wait a minute here.

Couldn't the term "Parent" hurt someone's "feelings" too?

Maybe they should be called "Guardian Human" or perhaps "Temporarily Managing Sentient Being".

Gosh, someone should complain. This is very, very mean.

.

They could change Parent to "originator, procreator, progenitor, wellspring".

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j5MFIwU3dI]Brother - Pater Familias - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Mr. H.]

So...you're for asking a student applying for a federal loan (YOUR tax money) about whatever income his parents have ONLY IF they are married? You're not interested in how much his unmarried or adoptive parents make?

I am referring to the hackneyed "21st Century" phrase used by the Left as justification for thrusting society away from long-established mores, morals, and traditions.

Anyone not on board, or who chooses to adhere to their own beliefs and standards are not a part of the Liberal "21st Century" and are castigated and demeaned for it.

Like I say, the century belongs to all.

What the hell does that have to do with this? All the DOEd wants to know is how much income an applicant's family has.

I like to hear myself talk, and I make shit up as I type.
It's the 21st Century!

 

[buckeye45_73]

Another classic example of the right-wing propaganda machine at work!

Somebody first spins the story (don't know who yet, but I think it's the predictable Washington Times), leaving out a couple of important points, then it's picked up by every other right wing "news" outlet and quickly spread around to the Nutter websites and blog sites. Within the past 3 days, it's already generated NINE PAGES of mostly ultra-right hits on Google and a good many of them include the word "Obama." Google it yourself and see. Then, of course, some water-carrier brings it here and the outpouring of emotional response begins.

That, of course, is the objective. Truth is not the goal here. It's to get you stirred up, angry and frightened. And, being conditioned to react to any OMG! OBAMA thing that comes along, you all react just as planned because they KNOW you won't take the time to look behind the story and see what they're doing. Worse, they know you don't CARE to know the truth and that's probably the most troubling aspect of the whole, well-oiled machine which keeps this shit going. Too many people are willingly compliant.

Thank goodness you have me to set you straight.

Now...here's the REAL story behind the propaganda:

Yes, the Department of Education is doing just what the OP story says. It involves changing the wording on the Free Application for Federal Student Aid form (FAFSA). That form asks income information so the government can determine whether or not a student meets the income requirements for a student loan. In the past, it asked for the income of the student's "Father" and "Mother."

But, this is the 21st century and not every student comes from a family with a biological Father and Mother. There are now more types of families than there were when the program first started back in the 1960's.

So, in response to our changing demographics, Congress updated the relevant law (the Higher Education Act) in 2008 (No, Obama wasn't President then). Among other things, Congress directed the Department of Education to update its rules and regulations to reflect the new reality of American families. This is a part of that Congressionally mandated action.

Here's WHY it's prudent to change the wording on that form:

"....Secretary of Education Arne Duncan said, "All students should be able to apply for federal student aid within a system that incorporates their unique family dynamics…. [that] provide an inclusive form that reflects the diversity of American families."

In the past, the FSAF has been used by the Department of Education to collect information about a student's parents – only if they were married. The change allows for legal parents to be identified if they are biological or adoptive and unmarried and accounts for same-sex marriage parents...."

Read more at Department of Education to Eliminate 'Mother,' 'Father' From Federal Student Aid Forms

See? It's not a conspiracy, a sign of some impending socialist takeover or even anything Obama has done. It's simply an effort to deal with the realities of today and make the system fair for everybody.

But, who cares about all that, right? IT'S OBAMA I TELL YA! IT'S OBAMA! OMG!

Don't y'all EVER get tired of being played, or do you just like being pawns?

you just contradicted yourself....look we all know it's for the homos....it's not like we didnt get that little fact. Again Liberals redefining things....I think we should have 6 parent families....Jesus you people are retarded

Have you always had a problem with reading comprehension, or did it just develop after you became an Obamaphobe?

Good question, where did i mention obama?
You contadicted yourself, saying the op was wrong, then you said the article was correct

 

[mudwhistle]

The FAFSA form doesn't care about the biological parents. That's not the information that matters to them.

The "reality" is that thousands of children are, at this moment, being raised by same-sex couples - and the FAFSA form changes reflect that reality.

I think Mother or Father works better than Biological Parent.

I'm still scratching my head.

Why do they always have to make everything so God Damned complicated.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

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Well wait a minute here.

Couldn't the term "Parent" hurt someone's "feelings" too?

Maybe they should be called "Guardian Human" or perhaps "Temporarily Managing Sentient Being".

Gosh, someone should complain. This is very, very mean.

.

They could change Parent to "originator, procreator, progenitor, wellspring".

Why would they do that? That's not the data that they're asking form.

The FAFSA form isn't asking for an applicant's "wellspring", or "originator". They're asking who is raising the child, not who gave birth to the child.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

The FAFSA form doesn't care about the biological parents. That's not the information that matters to them.

The "reality" is that thousands of children are, at this moment, being raised by same-sex couples - and the FAFSA form changes reflect that reality.

I think Mother or Father works better than Biological Parent.

I'm still scratching my head.

Why do they always have to make everything so God Damned complicated.

I was adopted by my mother as a single parent. When I was a year old, she met my "father", and they got married. My father never legally adopted me.

Should I have left the "father" field blank on my FAFSA? After all, my father was not technically my "father".

Life is complicated.