Perfect Questions For Trumpers

[colfax_m]

Serious question for Trumpers: why would Obama ‘SPY’ on Trump campaign but not do anything with the info?” he asks rhetorically. “Put another way, why would Obama WH go to extreme lengths to break the law but not help Hillary win? That’s the dumbest conspiracy of all time.”

They were over confident

No one in lib la la land gave trump a chance of winning

Raises a really good question why would the Obama administration break laws to spy on someone for political purposes if no one thought he had a chance at winning.

Besides, Hillary was going to bury the wrongdoing.

Why break the law for no reason? Your attempt at ascribing a motive makes zero sense.

Why break the law for no reason?

They broke the law to get dirt on their opponent.
It would have been buried if she won. No risk.

She was the most qualified candidate ever.....how could she lose?

This theory defies all logic.
One, the dirt was never used. The application wasn’t even approved until two weeks before the election. Carter Page was only tangentially involved in the campaign and had left well before the warrant was issued.

One, the dirt was never used.

Probably because they didn't find anything that would help.

Trump’s campaign was literally meeting with Russians trying to give them dirt on Clinton to help his campaign.

You think that wasn’t potentially harmful information?

Hardly

it was the other way around

the dems were the ones conspiring with russia

What were the Dems conspiring with Russia to do exactly? Hack their server again?

You can sneer all you want

hillary paid for the Steele dossier which was largely if not entirely supplied by the russians

That’s your conspiracy? Hillary paid a law firm who paid a research firm who paid a former intelligence agent to ask his network of Russian expatriates if Russia has any information on Trump. None of which was used.

Meanwhile Trump’s flesh and blood was in a room asking Russians for official prosecutor documents.

So yeah, I’ll sneer at the absurdity.

That was just the opening moves of the anti trump conspiracy

eventually it involved the FBI CIA, the dc police and bigh ranking members of the previous administration including obama

Conspiratorial nonsense.

We both know Russia was working to elect Trump. Drop the charade. Oh wait, you aren’t a Seth Rich truther, are you?

You are stuck on an outdated lie

hillary and the dnc were the criminals not trump

It’s a “lie” that has been confirmed by every serious investigation into the matter. The only people still expressing disbelief are 4chan internet trolls and the gullible.

I guess we will have to wait and see what develops

you may never see or admit the truth

but I think its clear the Deep State tried to stage a coup

It’s always wait and see with you geniuses. The FBI report confirmed it was Russia so you told us to wait for the House investigation. The house investigation told us it was Russia so you told us to wait for the Mueller report. The Mueller report told us it was Russia so you told us to wait for the Senate report. The Senate report told us it was Russia so now we have to wait for something else, who knows, but you can never be proven wrong because there’s always something else to cling to.

nonsense

the cia and lib news media has lied to us and to congress since day one

The CIA hasn’t said anything. They’re the CIA. They’re not too chatty.
The conservative media has been living in a parallel universe by ignoring everything that doesn’t fit Trump’s narrative.

Bullshit

clapper is on TV all the time

and what he cant say is leaked to the lib news media who tell us “unnamed sources said...”

Clapper was DNI.

Face it, every serious investigation came up with the same result. The House. The Senate. The intelligence community. The DoJ. Every single investigation. Same result.

You just don’t want to accept it.

The same lie you mean

Your conspiracy is getting bigger and bigger. Now it encapsulates the Congressional Republicans

Paul Ryan maybe

He seems to have bought the lib lie

but dont act so surprised

republican swamp rats in washington are human and fallible too

Yep. Glad you’re smarter and more well informed than every Republican and Democrat in Congress. Smarter and more well informed than US intelligence. Smarter and more well informed than the justice dept.

I am not smarter

just more honest

I have no reason to lie but they do

in ryan’s case he’s part of the good old boy swamp rat club in Washington who were embarrassed and offended that a rank beginner and political outsider could beat the pros at their own game

I think you’re not honest with yourself. You’re coming up with stories to tell yourself so that you don’t have to believe what you don’t want.

Ok, whatever you say

the evidence against the washington swamp rat community is growing whether you choose to accept it or not

What do you care about evidence? You can just swipe away any evidence you don’t want to believe.

I have not seen any evidence against stump

or flynn

So none of the court filings or judgements mean anything to you?

Under corrupt proceedings?

they dont mean a thing

trump did not collude with russia

I haven't seen any evidence the proceedings were corrupt.

Flynn told the FBI he didn't talk sanctions with Kislyak. Flynn did indeed talk sanctions with Kislyak. These are facts that no one really disputes.

Flynn told the FBI he didn't talk sanctions with Kislyak. Flynn did indeed talk sanctions with Kislyak.

If that's the case, how did his false answer impede an investigation?

Don't know if it impeded an investigation. But that's not a requirement of 18 USC 1001

there was no investigation to impede

the fbi know what was said and none of it was criminal

Counter intelligence is within the jurisdiction of the FBI

A high ranking official with access to some of our most closely held secrets is lying to the president and vice president of the United States about what he's saying to Russian government officials and you DON'T think that the FBI should investigate? Give me a break.

Flynn did not divulge any secrets to the russians

Not the point. He’s lying. To his boss. About communications with Russian officials. You going to trust a liar to keep our nation’s closest secrets?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Don't know if it impeded an investigation. But that's not a requirement of 18 USC 1001

Don't know if it impeded an investigation.

It didn't. Especially because it was being dropped.

But that's not a requirement of 18 USC 1001

18 U.S. Code § 1001 - Statements or entries generally

www.law.cornell.edu

Material(ly) is the key word.

 

[Faun]

Obamagate rants by the President and Rwinger media sound so desperate it makes them look stupid.
How long this will last is your guess.
Remember, the 2020 election will be a referendum on Trump.
Also, he will be running against Joe Biden. Remember?

"Vanity Fair reporter Gabriel Sherman, however, writes on Twitter that Trump’s conspiratorial ramblings about Obama fall apart at the slightest scrutiny."

“Serious question for Trumpers: why would Obama ‘SPY’ on Trump campaign but not do anything with the info?” he asks rhetorically. “Put another way, why would Obama WH go to extreme lengths to break the law but not help Hillary win? That’s the dumbest conspiracy of all time.”

'The dumbest conspiracy of all time': Veteran reporter blows up Trump's crazed 'Obamagate' ramblings

President Donald Trump over the weekend launched a series of attacks on former President Barack Obama in an effort to cast him as the purported mastermind of a conspiracy to ensnare former national security adviser Mike Flynn into a perjury trap.Vanity Fair reporter Gabriel Sherman, however...

www.rawstory.com

Anything to distract from covid. Trump has long been envious of Obama.

Penis envy.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

If lying under oath only counts if it is relevant, how the fuck did Bill Clinton get impeached? How was his supposed lie relevant to his Presidency?

Clinton accused of sexually harassing a subordinate,
caught having sex in the White House with a subordinate.........not relevant?

Now what crime was Flynn accused of before the phone call?

Paula Jones sued in civil court.

He was not impeached for his affair with Monica.

Therefore, his pretend perjury in the Paul Jones civil suit was irrelevant to criminal law and to his job as President. You proved that when you voted for Trump. Trump had multiple affairs & accusations prior to his Presidency & you loved him for it.

Paula Jones sued in civil court.

Oh.....you can lie under oath in civil lawsuits......good to know.

He was not impeached for his affair with Monica.

Where did I say he was? Link?

 

[HaShev]

Obamagate rants by the President and Rwinger media sound so desperate it makes them look stupid.
How long this will last is your guess.
Remember, the 2020 election will be a referendum on Trump.
Also, he will be running against Joe Biden. Remember?

"Vanity Fair reporter Gabriel Sherman, however, writes on Twitter that Trump’s conspiratorial ramblings about Obama fall apart at the slightest scrutiny."

“Serious question for Trumpers: why would Obama ‘SPY’ on Trump campaign but not do anything with the info?” he asks rhetorically. “Put another way, why would Obama WH go to extreme lengths to break the law but not help Hillary win? That’s the dumbest conspiracy of all time.”

'The dumbest conspiracy of all time': Veteran reporter blows up Trump's crazed 'Obamagate' ramblings

President Donald Trump over the weekend launched a series of attacks on former President Barack Obama in an effort to cast him as the purported mastermind of a conspiracy to ensnare former national security adviser Mike Flynn into a perjury trap.Vanity Fair reporter Gabriel Sherman, however...

www.rawstory.com

So you admit through deflection:
"Former Presidents and wives of presidents and Left wing media sound so desperate with the whole fake Russia hoax and the Kavanaugh hoax, and the Ukrainian Hoax, and the sham impeachment, and the two scoops of icecream scandal, it makes them look stupid."
Then you call investigation of those hoaxes as stupid because you are on the side of the lawless abuse of powers? Brilliant!

 

[Wyatt earp]

They spied on the Donald to find dirt. They got nothing.
The Hussein actually bought into the media hype, thinking there was no way Trump could win. When he did win, the Hussein panicked and expelled the Russians to sabotage US-Russian relations. No one is more petty, corrupt, and treasonous than Barrack Hussein Obama.

God. Conspiracy whackadoodles everywhere.
You know, the right have the Senate, presidency and USSC. They had the house up until two years ago. For a two-year period you had it all. Start taking responsibility for the shit you cause or fuck off. Seriously, you nimrods are just fucking nits - actually I was supposed to say nuts, but I think nits is better.

Shut up numb nuts the right only had it all for 13 months mostly consisting of RINOs

 

[colfax_m]

Don't know if it impeded an investigation. But that's not a requirement of 18 USC 1001

Don't know if it impeded an investigation.

It didn't. Especially because it was being dropped.

But that's not a requirement of 18 USC 1001

View attachment 336055

18 U.S. Code § 1001 - Statements or entries generally

www.law.cornell.edu

Material(ly) is the key word.

It's easy to say that lying about the conversation to Russian officials is material to the investigation into whether Flynn has involvement with Russian officials not known to the security apparatus of the United States. Again, these are extremely high level officials. They have access to the top secrets. If they're not being truthful, that's grounds for concern regarding their security clearances.

I think you're thinking of obstruction, which i think requires an investigation to be impeded. That's just not the situation with false statements.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

If lying under oath only counts if it is relevant, how the fuck did Bill Clinton get impeached? How was his supposed lie relevant to his Presidency?

Lying under oath is an impeachable offense.
Jesus....get a clue.

 

[Dr Grump]

They spied on the Donald to find dirt. They got nothing.
The Hussein actually bought into the media hype, thinking there was no way Trump could win. When he did win, the Hussein panicked and expelled the Russians to sabotage US-Russian relations. No one is more petty, corrupt, and treasonous than Barrack Hussein Obama.

God. Conspiracy whackadoodles everywhere.
You know, the right have the Senate, presidency and USSC. They had the house up until two years ago. For a two-year period you had it all. Start taking responsibility for the shit you cause or fuck off. Seriously, you nimrods are just fucking nits - actually I was supposed to say nuts, but I think nits is better.

Shut up numb nuts the right only had it all for 13 months mostly consisting of RINOs

A lot can get done in 13 months. What did they get done? And they still have three out of the four - judicial, presidency and senate. Stop blaming shit on other people and start taking responsibility.

 

[Dr Grump]

If lying under oath only counts if it is relevant, how the fuck did Bill Clinton get impeached? How was his supposed lie relevant to his Presidency?

Lying under oath is an impeachable offense.
Jesus....get a clue.

I think you need to reread his answer....you're not understanding what he is saying.

 

[RealDave]

If lying under oath only counts if it is relevant, how the fuck did Bill Clinton get impeached? How was his supposed lie relevant to his Presidency?

Clinton accused of sexually harassing a subordinate,
caught having sex in the White House with a subordinate.........not relevant?

Now what crime was Flynn accused of before the phone call?

Paula Jones sued in civil court.

He was not impeached for his affair with Monica.

Therefore, his pretend perjury in the Paul Jones civil suit was irrelevant to criminal law and to his job as President. You proved that when you voted for Trump. Trump had multiple affairs & accusations prior to his Presidency & you loved him for it.

Paula Jones sued in civil court.

Oh.....you can lie under oath in civil lawsuits......good to know.

He was not impeached for his affair with Monica.

Where did I say he was? Link?

People lie their asses off in civil cases & no one givers a fuck.

Ask any lawyer. You can't sue them for lying. Good luck getting law enforcement to prosecute. I have hear several lawyers tell me this. Hell, thet even talk about it on lawyer shows on cable.


Did you post this: "caught having sex in the White House with a subordinate.........not relevant?"

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Don't know if it impeded an investigation. But that's not a requirement of 18 USC 1001

Don't know if it impeded an investigation.

It didn't. Especially because it was being dropped.

But that's not a requirement of 18 USC 1001

View attachment 336055

18 U.S. Code § 1001 - Statements or entries generally

www.law.cornell.edu

Material(ly) is the key word.

It's easy to say that lying about the conversation to Russian officials is material to the investigation into whether Flynn has involvement with Russian officials not known to the security apparatus of the United States. Again, these are extremely high level officials. They have access to the top secrets. If they're not being truthful, that's grounds for concern regarding their security clearances.

I think you're thinking of obstruction, which i think requires an investigation to be impeded. That's just not the situation with false statements.

It's easy to say that lying about the conversation to Russian officials is material to the investigation into whether Flynn has involvement with Russian officials

They were investigating his "involvement with Russian officials"?
Is that illegal? Why were they dropping the investigation on January 4th, a week after the call?

Flynn has involvement with Russian officials not known to the security apparatus of the United States.

Which ones? How do you know, if the "security apparatus of the United States" doesn't?

I think you're thinking of obstruction, which i think requires an investigation to be impeded.

Nope. I'm thinking no damage to an investigation based on his lie about the call, no help to an investigation if he was 100% truthful about the call. Because it was not material.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

I think you need to reread his answer....you're not understanding what he is saying.

I don't think I do. Clinton's lie under oath doesn't need to be connected to his presidency per se
although it was since this happened while Slick Willie was in office.
A deliberate lie in court is the sort of high crime and misdemeanor that is prescribed in the Constitution.

Clinton DID like under oath. Clinton WAS impeached. You connect the dots, Columbo.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

If lying under oath only counts if it is relevant, how the fuck did Bill Clinton get impeached? How was his supposed lie relevant to his Presidency?

Clinton accused of sexually harassing a subordinate,
caught having sex in the White House with a subordinate.........not relevant?

Now what crime was Flynn accused of before the phone call?

Paula Jones sued in civil court.

He was not impeached for his affair with Monica.

Therefore, his pretend perjury in the Paul Jones civil suit was irrelevant to criminal law and to his job as President. You proved that when you voted for Trump. Trump had multiple affairs & accusations prior to his Presidency & you loved him for it.

Paula Jones sued in civil court.

Oh.....you can lie under oath in civil lawsuits......good to know.

He was not impeached for his affair with Monica.

Where did I say he was? Link?

People lie their asses off in civil cases & no one givers a fuck.

Ask any lawyer. You can't sue them for lying. Good luck getting law enforcement to prosecute. I have hear several lawyers tell me this. Hell, thet even talk about it on lawyer shows on cable.


Did you post this: "caught having sex in the White House with a subordinate.........not relevant?"

People lie their asses off in civil cases & no one givers a fuck.

That must be why you testify under oath, because no one cares. DURR.

Did you post this: "caught having sex in the White House with a subordinate.........not relevant?"

When you're being sued for sexually harassing a subordinate, you're damn right that getting caught having sex with another subordinate is relevant.

 

[colfax_m]

Don't know if it impeded an investigation. But that's not a requirement of 18 USC 1001

Don't know if it impeded an investigation.

It didn't. Especially because it was being dropped.

But that's not a requirement of 18 USC 1001

View attachment 336055

18 U.S. Code § 1001 - Statements or entries generally

www.law.cornell.edu

Material(ly) is the key word.

It's easy to say that lying about the conversation to Russian officials is material to the investigation into whether Flynn has involvement with Russian officials not known to the security apparatus of the United States. Again, these are extremely high level officials. They have access to the top secrets. If they're not being truthful, that's grounds for concern regarding their security clearances.

I think you're thinking of obstruction, which i think requires an investigation to be impeded. That's just not the situation with false statements.

It's easy to say that lying about the conversation to Russian officials is material to the investigation into whether Flynn has involvement with Russian officials

They were investigating his "involvement with Russian officials"?
Is that illegal? Why were they dropping the investigation on January 4th, a week after the call?

Flynn has involvement with Russian officials not known to the security apparatus of the United States.

Which ones? How do you know, if the "security apparatus of the United States" doesn't?

I think you're thinking of obstruction, which i think requires an investigation to be impeded.

Nope. I'm thinking no damage to an investigation based on his lie about the call, no help to an investigation if he was 100% truthful about the call. Because it was not material.

Some agents recommended dropping the investigation after preliminary searches didn't turn anything up. They didn't know about the call, that came from the higher ups.

For the fifth time, the FBI investigates more than just violations of law. They are the nation's counter intelligence operation.
They were investigating what Flynn was up to with regard to Russian government and why he was lying about it. That's legitimate counter intelligence investigation. His lie was material to that investigation.

 

[Mac-7]

Serious question for Trumpers: why would Obama ‘SPY’ on Trump campaign but not do anything with the info?” he asks rhetorically. “Put another way, why would Obama WH go to extreme lengths to break the law but not help Hillary win? That’s the dumbest conspiracy of all time.”

They were over confident

No one in lib la la land gave trump a chance of winning

Raises a really good question why would the Obama administration break laws to spy on someone for political purposes if no one thought he had a chance at winning.

Besides, Hillary was going to bury the wrongdoing.

Why break the law for no reason? Your attempt at ascribing a motive makes zero sense.

Why break the law for no reason?

They broke the law to get dirt on their opponent.
It would have been buried if she won. No risk.

She was the most qualified candidate ever.....how could she lose?

This theory defies all logic.
One, the dirt was never used. The application wasn’t even approved until two weeks before the election. Carter Page was only tangentially involved in the campaign and had left well before the warrant was issued.

One, the dirt was never used.

Probably because they didn't find anything that would help.

Trump’s campaign was literally meeting with Russians trying to give them dirt on Clinton to help his campaign.

You think that wasn’t potentially harmful information?

Hardly

it was the other way around

the dems were the ones conspiring with russia

What were the Dems conspiring with Russia to do exactly? Hack their server again?

You can sneer all you want

hillary paid for the Steele dossier which was largely if not entirely supplied by the russians

That’s your conspiracy? Hillary paid a law firm who paid a research firm who paid a former intelligence agent to ask his network of Russian expatriates if Russia has any information on Trump. None of which was used.

Meanwhile Trump’s flesh and blood was in a room asking Russians for official prosecutor documents.

So yeah, I’ll sneer at the absurdity.

That was just the opening moves of the anti trump conspiracy

eventually it involved the FBI CIA, the dc police and bigh ranking members of the previous administration including obama

Conspiratorial nonsense.

We both know Russia was working to elect Trump. Drop the charade. Oh wait, you aren’t a Seth Rich truther, are you?

You are stuck on an outdated lie

hillary and the dnc were the criminals not trump

It’s a “lie” that has been confirmed by every serious investigation into the matter. The only people still expressing disbelief are 4chan internet trolls and the gullible.

I guess we will have to wait and see what develops

you may never see or admit the truth

but I think its clear the Deep State tried to stage a coup

It’s always wait and see with you geniuses. The FBI report confirmed it was Russia so you told us to wait for the House investigation. The house investigation told us it was Russia so you told us to wait for the Mueller report. The Mueller report told us it was Russia so you told us to wait for the Senate report. The Senate report told us it was Russia so now we have to wait for something else, who knows, but you can never be proven wrong because there’s always something else to cling to.

nonsense

the cia and lib news media has lied to us and to congress since day one

The CIA hasn’t said anything. They’re the CIA. They’re not too chatty.
The conservative media has been living in a parallel universe by ignoring everything that doesn’t fit Trump’s narrative.

Bullshit

clapper is on TV all the time

and what he cant say is leaked to the lib news media who tell us “unnamed sources said...”

Clapper was DNI.

Face it, every serious investigation came up with the same result. The House. The Senate. The intelligence community. The DoJ. Every single investigation. Same result.

You just don’t want to accept it.

The same lie you mean

Your conspiracy is getting bigger and bigger. Now it encapsulates the Congressional Republicans

Paul Ryan maybe

He seems to have bought the lib lie

but dont act so surprised

republican swamp rats in washington are human and fallible too

Yep. Glad you’re smarter and more well informed than every Republican and Democrat in Congress. Smarter and more well informed than US intelligence. Smarter and more well informed than the justice dept.

I am not smarter

just more honest

I have no reason to lie but they do

in ryan’s case he’s part of the good old boy swamp rat club in Washington who were embarrassed and offended that a rank beginner and political outsider could beat the pros at their own game

I think you’re not honest with yourself. You’re coming up with stories to tell yourself so that you don’t have to believe what you don’t want.

Ok, whatever you say

the evidence against the washington swamp rat community is growing whether you choose to accept it or not

What do you care about evidence? You can just swipe away any evidence you don’t want to believe.

I have not seen any evidence against stump

or flynn

So none of the court filings or judgements mean anything to you?

Under corrupt proceedings?

they dont mean a thing

trump did not collude with russia

I haven't seen any evidence the proceedings were corrupt.

Flynn told the FBI he didn't talk sanctions with Kislyak. Flynn did indeed talk sanctions with Kislyak. These are facts that no one really disputes.

Flynn told the FBI he didn't talk sanctions with Kislyak. Flynn did indeed talk sanctions with Kislyak.

If that's the case, how did his false answer impede an investigation?

Don't know if it impeded an investigation. But that's not a requirement of 18 USC 1001

there was no investigation to impede

the fbi know what was said and none of it was criminal

Counter intelligence is within the jurisdiction of the FBI

A high ranking official with access to some of our most closely held secrets is lying to the president and vice president of the United States about what he's saying to Russian government officials and you DON'T think that the FBI should investigate? Give me a break.

Flynn did not divulge any secrets to the russians

Not the point. He’s lying. To his boss. About communications with Russian officials. You going to trust a liar to keep our nation’s closest secrets?

I dont know what flynn told the vp

bit they didnt sic the FBI on him or try to put him in jail

flynn was the target of the Deep State

 

[Mac-7]

Don't know if it impeded an investigation. But that's not a requirement of 18 USC 1001

Don't know if it impeded an investigation.

It didn't. Especially because it was being dropped.

But that's not a requirement of 18 USC 1001

View attachment 336055

18 U.S. Code § 1001 - Statements or entries generally

www.law.cornell.edu

Material(ly) is the key word.

It's easy to say that lying about the conversation to Russian officials is material to the investigation into whether Flynn has involvement with Russian officials not known to the security apparatus of the United States. Again, these are extremely high level officials. They have access to the top secrets. If they're not being truthful, that's grounds for concern regarding their security clearances.

I think you're thinking of obstruction, which i think requires an investigation to be impeded. That's just not the situation with false statements.

It's easy to say that lying about the conversation to Russian officials is material to the investigation into whether Flynn has involvement with Russian officials

They were investigating his "involvement with Russian officials"?
Is that illegal? Why were they dropping the investigation on January 4th, a week after the call?

Flynn has involvement with Russian officials not known to the security apparatus of the United States.

Which ones? How do you know, if the "security apparatus of the United States" doesn't?

I think you're thinking of obstruction, which i think requires an investigation to be impeded.

Nope. I'm thinking no damage to an investigation based on his lie about the call, no help to an investigation if he was 100% truthful about the call. Because it was not material.

Some agents recommended dropping the investigation after preliminary searches didn't turn anything up. They didn't know about the call, that came from the higher ups.

For the fifth time, the FBI investigates more than just violations of law. They are the nation's counter intelligence operation.
They were investigating what Flynn was up to with regard to Russian government and why he was lying about it. That's legitimate counter intelligence investigation. His lie was material to that investigation.

Unfortunately for you, flynn did not compromise security with the russians

his crime was going to work for trump

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Don't know if it impeded an investigation. But that's not a requirement of 18 USC 1001

Don't know if it impeded an investigation.

It didn't. Especially because it was being dropped.

But that's not a requirement of 18 USC 1001

View attachment 336055

18 U.S. Code § 1001 - Statements or entries generally

www.law.cornell.edu

Material(ly) is the key word.

It's easy to say that lying about the conversation to Russian officials is material to the investigation into whether Flynn has involvement with Russian officials not known to the security apparatus of the United States. Again, these are extremely high level officials. They have access to the top secrets. If they're not being truthful, that's grounds for concern regarding their security clearances.

I think you're thinking of obstruction, which i think requires an investigation to be impeded. That's just not the situation with false statements.

It's easy to say that lying about the conversation to Russian officials is material to the investigation into whether Flynn has involvement with Russian officials

They were investigating his "involvement with Russian officials"?
Is that illegal? Why were they dropping the investigation on January 4th, a week after the call?

Flynn has involvement with Russian officials not known to the security apparatus of the United States.

Which ones? How do you know, if the "security apparatus of the United States" doesn't?

I think you're thinking of obstruction, which i think requires an investigation to be impeded.

Nope. I'm thinking no damage to an investigation based on his lie about the call, no help to an investigation if he was 100% truthful about the call. Because it was not material.

Some agents recommended dropping the investigation after preliminary searches didn't turn anything up. They didn't know about the call, that came from the higher ups.

For the fifth time, the FBI investigates more than just violations of law. They are the nation's counter intelligence operation.
They were investigating what Flynn was up to with regard to Russian government and why he was lying about it. That's legitimate counter intelligence investigation. His lie was material to that investigation.

Some agents recommended dropping the investigation after preliminary searches didn't turn anything up. They didn't know about the call, that came from the higher ups.

The agents investigating his ties to Russia didn't know about his phones calls with the Russian ambassador, a week after the FBI had the transcript? None of them? Any proof of this claim?

For the fifth time, the FBI investigates more than just violations of law. They are the nation's counter intelligence operation.

And that's why they had the transcripts. Which showed nothing illegal.

They were investigating what Flynn was up to with regard to Russian government and why he was lying about it.

You mean the agents who said they didn't think he was lying?

 

[colfax_m]

Serious question for Trumpers: why would Obama ‘SPY’ on Trump campaign but not do anything with the info?” he asks rhetorically. “Put another way, why would Obama WH go to extreme lengths to break the law but not help Hillary win? That’s the dumbest conspiracy of all time.”

They were over confident

No one in lib la la land gave trump a chance of winning

Raises a really good question why would the Obama administration break laws to spy on someone for political purposes if no one thought he had a chance at winning.

Besides, Hillary was going to bury the wrongdoing.

Why break the law for no reason? Your attempt at ascribing a motive makes zero sense.

Why break the law for no reason?

They broke the law to get dirt on their opponent.
It would have been buried if she won. No risk.

She was the most qualified candidate ever.....how could she lose?

This theory defies all logic.
One, the dirt was never used. The application wasn’t even approved until two weeks before the election. Carter Page was only tangentially involved in the campaign and had left well before the warrant was issued.

One, the dirt was never used.

Probably because they didn't find anything that would help.

Trump’s campaign was literally meeting with Russians trying to give them dirt on Clinton to help his campaign.

You think that wasn’t potentially harmful information?

Hardly

it was the other way around

the dems were the ones conspiring with russia

What were the Dems conspiring with Russia to do exactly? Hack their server again?

You can sneer all you want

hillary paid for the Steele dossier which was largely if not entirely supplied by the russians

That’s your conspiracy? Hillary paid a law firm who paid a research firm who paid a former intelligence agent to ask his network of Russian expatriates if Russia has any information on Trump. None of which was used.

Meanwhile Trump’s flesh and blood was in a room asking Russians for official prosecutor documents.

So yeah, I’ll sneer at the absurdity.

That was just the opening moves of the anti trump conspiracy

eventually it involved the FBI CIA, the dc police and bigh ranking members of the previous administration including obama

Conspiratorial nonsense.

We both know Russia was working to elect Trump. Drop the charade. Oh wait, you aren’t a Seth Rich truther, are you?

You are stuck on an outdated lie

hillary and the dnc were the criminals not trump

It’s a “lie” that has been confirmed by every serious investigation into the matter. The only people still expressing disbelief are 4chan internet trolls and the gullible.

I guess we will have to wait and see what develops

you may never see or admit the truth

but I think its clear the Deep State tried to stage a coup

It’s always wait and see with you geniuses. The FBI report confirmed it was Russia so you told us to wait for the House investigation. The house investigation told us it was Russia so you told us to wait for the Mueller report. The Mueller report told us it was Russia so you told us to wait for the Senate report. The Senate report told us it was Russia so now we have to wait for something else, who knows, but you can never be proven wrong because there’s always something else to cling to.

nonsense

the cia and lib news media has lied to us and to congress since day one

The CIA hasn’t said anything. They’re the CIA. They’re not too chatty.
The conservative media has been living in a parallel universe by ignoring everything that doesn’t fit Trump’s narrative.

Bullshit

clapper is on TV all the time

and what he cant say is leaked to the lib news media who tell us “unnamed sources said...”

Clapper was DNI.

Face it, every serious investigation came up with the same result. The House. The Senate. The intelligence community. The DoJ. Every single investigation. Same result.

You just don’t want to accept it.

The same lie you mean

Your conspiracy is getting bigger and bigger. Now it encapsulates the Congressional Republicans

Paul Ryan maybe

He seems to have bought the lib lie

but dont act so surprised

republican swamp rats in washington are human and fallible too

Yep. Glad you’re smarter and more well informed than every Republican and Democrat in Congress. Smarter and more well informed than US intelligence. Smarter and more well informed than the justice dept.

I am not smarter

just more honest

I have no reason to lie but they do

in ryan’s case he’s part of the good old boy swamp rat club in Washington who were embarrassed and offended that a rank beginner and political outsider could beat the pros at their own game

I think you’re not honest with yourself. You’re coming up with stories to tell yourself so that you don’t have to believe what you don’t want.

Ok, whatever you say

the evidence against the washington swamp rat community is growing whether you choose to accept it or not

What do you care about evidence? You can just swipe away any evidence you don’t want to believe.

I have not seen any evidence against stump

or flynn

So none of the court filings or judgements mean anything to you?

Under corrupt proceedings?

they dont mean a thing

trump did not collude with russia

I haven't seen any evidence the proceedings were corrupt.

Flynn told the FBI he didn't talk sanctions with Kislyak. Flynn did indeed talk sanctions with Kislyak. These are facts that no one really disputes.

Flynn told the FBI he didn't talk sanctions with Kislyak. Flynn did indeed talk sanctions with Kislyak.

If that's the case, how did his false answer impede an investigation?

Don't know if it impeded an investigation. But that's not a requirement of 18 USC 1001

there was no investigation to impede

the fbi know what was said and none of it was criminal

Counter intelligence is within the jurisdiction of the FBI

A high ranking official with access to some of our most closely held secrets is lying to the president and vice president of the United States about what he's saying to Russian government officials and you DON'T think that the FBI should investigate? Give me a break.

Flynn did not divulge any secrets to the russians

Not the point. He’s lying. To his boss. About communications with Russian officials. You going to trust a liar to keep our nation’s closest secrets?

I dont know what flynn told the vp

bit they didnt sic the FBI on him or try to put him in jail

flynn was the target of the Deep State

What? Flynn is the one having conversations with the Russians and then lying about it. That makes him a target for investigation. If this were anyone else, you'd acknowledge that this makes total sense.

 

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Don't know if it impeded an investigation. But that's not a requirement of 18 USC 1001

Don't know if it impeded an investigation.

It didn't. Especially because it was being dropped.

But that's not a requirement of 18 USC 1001

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Material(ly) is the key word.

It's easy to say that lying about the conversation to Russian officials is material to the investigation into whether Flynn has involvement with Russian officials not known to the security apparatus of the United States. Again, these are extremely high level officials. They have access to the top secrets. If they're not being truthful, that's grounds for concern regarding their security clearances.

I think you're thinking of obstruction, which i think requires an investigation to be impeded. That's just not the situation with false statements.

It's easy to say that lying about the conversation to Russian officials is material to the investigation into whether Flynn has involvement with Russian officials

They were investigating his "involvement with Russian officials"?
Is that illegal? Why were they dropping the investigation on January 4th, a week after the call?

Flynn has involvement with Russian officials not known to the security apparatus of the United States.

Which ones? How do you know, if the "security apparatus of the United States" doesn't?

I think you're thinking of obstruction, which i think requires an investigation to be impeded.

Nope. I'm thinking no damage to an investigation based on his lie about the call, no help to an investigation if he was 100% truthful about the call. Because it was not material.

Some agents recommended dropping the investigation after preliminary searches didn't turn anything up. They didn't know about the call, that came from the higher ups.

For the fifth time, the FBI investigates more than just violations of law. They are the nation's counter intelligence operation.
They were investigating what Flynn was up to with regard to Russian government and why he was lying about it. That's legitimate counter intelligence investigation. His lie was material to that investigation.

Unfortunately for you, flynn did not compromise security with the russians

his crime was going to work for trump

Wait, so you think we should entrust our national secrets to someone who lies to the highest levels of our government? That makes no sense.