Perspective: How Many Conservatives Would Kill You?

It's time to pull over and change the air in your head!

LOL You have no shame, more evidence of your Narcissistic Personality Disorder.



"You have no shame,...."

And you have no intellect.

The proof, of course, is that irritation and ire over the OP brought you out of your oubliette (better look that up, you dunce) yet you have been unable to dispute anything in that amazingly well constructed exposition.

And....when asked what is obvious from your post....this....
...What is the reason you imbeciles....er, Liberals....always take the side of predators and perpetrators over innocent Americans????


....you slithered off and hid?

Nope, I had dinner with my wife, walked the dog, watched some baseball and we then went to bed at 0930 and read for a while. This morning I fed the dog, took her out to use the facilities and made coffee.

BTW, there are no Conservatives I would kill, many are already brain dead. Serious question, how do you feel about the realpolitik?

Example: Your ideology is neither moral nor is it pragmatic. You play a zero sum game which you never win, but pretend you do. Your behavior on line was aptly described in Eric Berne's book Games People Play.

What is the reason you imbeciles....er, Liberals....always take the side of predators and perpetrators over innocent Americans????

Wet and moldy straw will not burn, no matter how much gas you pass trying to ignite it.




You've shown that propensity to defend and shield 7th century barbarians, and felons of every stripe....

...so why the palpable fear of this simple query?


What is the reason you imbeciles....er, Liberals....always take the side of predators and perpetrators over innocent Americans????
 
LOL You have no shame, more evidence of your Narcissistic Personality Disorder.



"You have no shame,...."

And you have no intellect.

The proof, of course, is that irritation and ire over the OP brought you out of your oubliette (better look that up, you dunce) yet you have been unable to dispute anything in that amazingly well constructed exposition.

And....when asked what is obvious from your post....this....
...What is the reason you imbeciles....er, Liberals....always take the side of predators and perpetrators over innocent Americans????


....you slithered off and hid?

Nope, I had dinner with my wife, walked the dog, watched some baseball and we then went to bed at 0930 and read for a while. This morning I fed the dog, took her out to use the facilities and made coffee.

BTW, there are no Conservatives I would kill, many are already brain dead. Serious question, how do you feel about the realpolitik?

Example: Your ideology is neither moral nor is it pragmatic. You play a zero sum game which you never win, but pretend you do. Your behavior on line was aptly described in Eric Berne's book Games People Play.

What is the reason you imbeciles....er, Liberals....always take the side of predators and perpetrators over innocent Americans????

Wet and moldy straw will not burn, no matter how much gas you pass trying to ignite it.




You've shown that propensity to defend and shield 7th century barbarians, and felons of every stripe....

...so why the palpable fear of this simple query?


What is the reason you imbeciles....er, Liberals....always take the side of predators and perpetrators over innocent Americans????

More evidence my evaluation of you is spot on: Arrogant, Self Serving, Schadenfreude Hole, or when used as an acronym, an asshole.
 
"You have no shame,...."

And you have no intellect.

The proof, of course, is that irritation and ire over the OP brought you out of your oubliette (better look that up, you dunce) yet you have been unable to dispute anything in that amazingly well constructed exposition.

And....when asked what is obvious from your post....this....
...What is the reason you imbeciles....er, Liberals....always take the side of predators and perpetrators over innocent Americans????


....you slithered off and hid?

Nope, I had dinner with my wife, walked the dog, watched some baseball and we then went to bed at 0930 and read for a while. This morning I fed the dog, took her out to use the facilities and made coffee.

BTW, there are no Conservatives I would kill, many are already brain dead. Serious question, how do you feel about the realpolitik?

Example: Your ideology is neither moral nor is it pragmatic. You play a zero sum game which you never win, but pretend you do. Your behavior on line was aptly described in Eric Berne's book Games People Play.

What is the reason you imbeciles....er, Liberals....always take the side of predators and perpetrators over innocent Americans????

Wet and moldy straw will not burn, no matter how much gas you pass trying to ignite it.




You've shown that propensity to defend and shield 7th century barbarians, and felons of every stripe....

...so why the palpable fear of this simple query?


What is the reason you imbeciles....er, Liberals....always take the side of predators and perpetrators over innocent Americans????

More evidence my evaluation of you is spot on: Arrogant, Self Serving, Schadenfreude Hole, or when used as an acronym, an asshole.



The only evidence is that you are a cowardly cur who won't stand up for his own proffered beliefs.


You've shown that propensity to defend and shield 7th century barbarians, and felons of every stripe....

...so why the palpable fear of this simple query?


What is the reason you imbeciles....er, Liberals....always take the side of predators and perpetrators over innocent Americans????
 
First, the number of pertinent groups...then the view on homicide.

1. "US Conservatives Outnumber Liberals by Narrowing Margin JANUARY 3, 2017
  • 36% of Americans now conservative, 25% liberal
  • Liberal figure has inched up from 17% in 1990s
  • Conservatives mainly steady, while moderates decline
US Conservatives Outnumber Liberals by Narrowing Margin

2. Since about 130 million votes were cast in the last presidential election ... More votes were cast in 2016 than in 2012 — but that doesn’t mean turnout was great
....that would translate to about 46.8 million conservatives.



How would you react if poll of conservatives found that over 9 million of 'em were perfectly fine with killing......slaughtering......any who didn't agree with conservative viewpoints????
Have you ever heard such killings voiced or approved by conservatives?





3.That's a serious consideration, and it's evidence of the insanity of Democrats/Liberals. Here's why:
"When asked whether targeting and killing civilians can be justified to further a political, social or religious cause, 84% of U.S. Muslims say such tactics can rarely (8%) or never (76%) be justified, while 12% say such violence can sometimes (7%) or often (5%) be justified."
U.S. Muslims Concerned About Their Place in Society, but Continue to Believe in the American Dream

4. For specific context,
"... President Barack Obama stated that “Over [the] last eight years, no foreign terrorist organization has successfully planned and executed an attack on our homeland.”
Talk about something actually deserving of being labeled as “fake news.”

When President George W. Bush left office, the U.S. had faced 28 Islamist plots after 9/11, only one of which was successful. Now there have been 93 Islamist plots since 9/11, and 14 successful attacks.

.... the vast majority of the terror plots and all of the successful attacks since 9/11 have involved homegrown terrorists—that is, terrorists who radicalized and plotted here in the U.S.
The threat has morphed and the U.S. must now do more to counter homegrown and lone wolf Islamist terrorists.

Obama’s comment obscures the truth that in his eight years in office, as shown by the sharp increase in the number of Islamist plots and successful attacks, the homeland has been less safe.
Claiming victory while the U.S. is in the most active period of terrorist activity since 9/11 is not only pushing a false narrative, but it risks diverting our attention from what needs to be done to defend the U.S. homeland."
Obama’s Terrorism Claim Hides an Inconvenient Truth




5. Now...how does this amount to the insanity of Democrats/Liberals?

"Immigraton To Swell Muslim Population to 6.2 Million
According to U.S. Census Data, the United States admits roughly 100,000 Muslim immigrants legally each year, representing the fastest growing block of immigration into the United States. Tennessee, in fact, is home to one of the fastest growing immigrant populations in the country, causing thePresident to give a recent speech there in favor of expansive immigration.

This demographic change is entirely the product of legal admissions–that is, it is a formal policy of the federal government adopted by Congress.

Another major source of Middle Eastern immigration into the United States is done through our nation’s refugee program. Every year the United Stated admits 70,000 asylees and refugees.Arabic is the most common language spoken by refugees, and 91.4 percent of refugees from the Middle East are on food stamps.

The importation of Middle Eastern immigrants through the nation’s refugee program has led to the development of pockets of radicalized communities throughout the United States." Immigration to Swell U.S. Muslim Population to 6.2 Million - Breitbart


And Bill's wife wanted to increase this by 550%.
The infidel are those that don't believe in God. How many liberals on this board don't believe in God? Muslims have no problem with beheading the infidels, since the time I spent in Saudi Arabia, plenty went to the chopping block.
It's why Islam and Democrats are strange bedfellows.
Both see freedom as a threat.
 
First, the number of pertinent groups...then the view on homicide.

1. "US Conservatives Outnumber Liberals by Narrowing Margin JANUARY 3, 2017
  • 36% of Americans now conservative, 25% liberal
  • Liberal figure has inched up from 17% in 1990s
  • Conservatives mainly steady, while moderates decline
US Conservatives Outnumber Liberals by Narrowing Margin

2. Since about 130 million votes were cast in the last presidential election ... More votes were cast in 2016 than in 2012 — but that doesn’t mean turnout was great
....that would translate to about 46.8 million conservatives.



How would you react if poll of conservatives found that over 9 million of 'em were perfectly fine with killing......slaughtering......any who didn't agree with conservative viewpoints????
Have you ever heard such killings voiced or approved by conservatives?





3.That's a serious consideration, and it's evidence of the insanity of Democrats/Liberals. Here's why:
"When asked whether targeting and killing civilians can be justified to further a political, social or religious cause, 84% of U.S. Muslims say such tactics can rarely (8%) or never (76%) be justified, while 12% say such violence can sometimes (7%) or often (5%) be justified."
U.S. Muslims Concerned About Their Place in Society, but Continue to Believe in the American Dream

4. For specific context,
"... President Barack Obama stated that “Over [the] last eight years, no foreign terrorist organization has successfully planned and executed an attack on our homeland.”
Talk about something actually deserving of being labeled as “fake news.”

When President George W. Bush left office, the U.S. had faced 28 Islamist plots after 9/11, only one of which was successful. Now there have been 93 Islamist plots since 9/11, and 14 successful attacks.

.... the vast majority of the terror plots and all of the successful attacks since 9/11 have involved homegrown terrorists—that is, terrorists who radicalized and plotted here in the U.S.
The threat has morphed and the U.S. must now do more to counter homegrown and lone wolf Islamist terrorists.

Obama’s comment obscures the truth that in his eight years in office, as shown by the sharp increase in the number of Islamist plots and successful attacks, the homeland has been less safe.
Claiming victory while the U.S. is in the most active period of terrorist activity since 9/11 is not only pushing a false narrative, but it risks diverting our attention from what needs to be done to defend the U.S. homeland."
Obama’s Terrorism Claim Hides an Inconvenient Truth




5. Now...how does this amount to the insanity of Democrats/Liberals?

"Immigraton To Swell Muslim Population to 6.2 Million
According to U.S. Census Data, the United States admits roughly 100,000 Muslim immigrants legally each year, representing the fastest growing block of immigration into the United States. Tennessee, in fact, is home to one of the fastest growing immigrant populations in the country, causing thePresident to give a recent speech there in favor of expansive immigration.

This demographic change is entirely the product of legal admissions–that is, it is a formal policy of the federal government adopted by Congress.

Another major source of Middle Eastern immigration into the United States is done through our nation’s refugee program. Every year the United Stated admits 70,000 asylees and refugees.Arabic is the most common language spoken by refugees, and 91.4 percent of refugees from the Middle East are on food stamps.

The importation of Middle Eastern immigrants through the nation’s refugee program has led to the development of pockets of radicalized communities throughout the United States." Immigration to Swell U.S. Muslim Population to 6.2 Million - Breitbart


And Bill's wife wanted to increase this by 550%.
The infidel are those that don't believe in God. How many liberals on this board don't believe in God? Muslims have no problem with beheading the infidels, since the time I spent in Saudi Arabia, plenty went to the chopping block.
It's why Islam and Democrats are strange bedfellows.
Both see freedom as a threat.



And....it may be the same concept.....both demand submission.
 
"so"

And explain how many of these "plots" were successful and carried out by:
  • Native born Americans
  • Adults brought to the US as children
  • Plots carried out with guns
  • Plots by single actors
  • Plots by liberals or progressive
  • Plots by religious zealots, aka conservatives



It's time to pull over and change the air in your head!

LOL You have no shame, more evidence of your Narcissistic Personality Disorder.



"You have no shame,...."

And you have no intellect.

The proof, of course, is that irritation and ire over the OP brought you out of your oubliette (better look that up, you dunce) yet you have been unable to dispute anything in that amazingly well constructed exposition.

And....when asked what is obvious from your post....this....
...What is the reason you imbeciles....er, Liberals....always take the side of predators and perpetrators over innocent Americans????


....you slithered off and hid?

Nope, I had dinner with my wife, walked the dog, watched some baseball and we then went to bed at 0930 and read for a while. This morning I fed the dog, took her out to use the facilities and made coffee.

BTW, there are no Conservatives I would kill, many are already brain dead. Serious question, how do you feel about the realpolitik?

Example: Your ideology is neither moral nor is it pragmatic. You play a zero sum game which you never win, but pretend you do. Your behavior on line was aptly described in Eric Berne's book Games People Play.

What is the reason you imbeciles....er, Liberals....always take the side of predators and perpetrators over innocent Americans????
The reason why liberals love Radical Muslims, is that both want humans to die. Liberals do it because that would mean less CO2, while Muslims do it because those they kill don't believe in Sharia. Both have the same effect but like with Hitler and Stalin, both started with Socialism and ended up fighting each other, because one Socialist wanted to do it better than the other. It will happen the same with Islam and Liberalism, if they ever are the last on the planet, it will Muslims killing liberals, as the pansy ass liberal would rather die, than be thought of Muslims haters. Self destruction is the way of liberals, but they want others to go first.
 
Why the hell should we let criminals affect our policies? The shits couldn't follow the law, why should they be involved in voting? I consider that as part of the price for committing crimes; "civil death" is the official term. - Felony disenfranchisement - Wikipedia

Anti suffrage is anti democratic, and a goal of the Republican Party's conservative wing. We punish people by fines or a loss of liberty (jail/prison); those who advocate taking away the right to vote is voter suppression, plain and simple; a necessary component of the Republican's goal of keeping sole power over We the People.

Universal suffrage is one of the great checks and balances in our nation's long history of stability in government. Power transfers back and forth, when the party in power overreaches and becomes too authoritarian and too insulated from the people, they will seek change.

During the past six months, more and more citizens have lost faith in the Executive and Legislative Branches, and if not corrected we can expect a sea change once again in Nov. 2018.
 
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Why the hell should we let criminals affect our policies? The shits couldn't follow the law, why should they be involved in voting? I consider that as part of the price for committing crimes; "civil death" is the official term. - Felony disenfranchisement - Wikipedia

Anti suffrage is anti democratic, and a goal of the Republican Party's conservative wing. We punish people by fines or a loss of liberty (jail/prison); those who advocate taking away the right to vote is voter suppression, plain and simple; a necessary component of the Republican's goal of keeping sole power over We the People.

Universal suffrage is one of the great checks and balances in our nation's long history of stability in government. Power transfers back and forth, when the party in power overreaches and becomes too authoritarian and too insulated from the people, they will seek change.

During the past six months, more and more citizens have lost faith in the Executive and Legislative Branches, and if not corrected we can expect a sea change once again in Nov. 2018.



"Anti suffrage is anti democratic, and a goal of the Republican Party's conservative wing."

Gads, you're a moron.

It was Republicans that got women the right to vote.....fighting a President and a Democrat Congress that filibustered against suffrage.


1. It was a Republican who introduced what became the 19th Amendment, women’s suffrage. On May 21, 1919, U.S. Representative James R. Mann (1856-1922), a Republican from Illinois and chairman of the Suffrage Committee, proposed the House resolution to approve the Susan Anthony Amendment granting women the right to vote. The measure passed the House 304-89—a full 42 votes above the required two-thirds majority. 19th Amendment - Women’s History - HISTORY.com

2. The 1919 vote in the House of Representatives was possible because Republicans had retaken control of the House. Attempts to get it passed through Democrat-controlled Congresses had failed.

3. The Senate vote was approved only after a Democrat filibuster; and 82% of the Republican Senators voted for it….and 54% of the Democrats.

4. 26 of the 36 states that ratified the 19th Amendment had Republican legislatures.

5. Two weeks later, on June 4, 1919, the Senate passed the 19th Amendment by two votes over its two-thirds required majority, 56-25. The amendment was then sent to the states for ratification. Within six days of the ratification cycle, Illinois, Michigan and Wisconsin each ratified the amendment. Kansas, New York and Ohio followed on June 16, 1919. By March of the following year, a total of 35 states had approved the amendment, one state shy of the two-thirds required for ratification. Southern states were adamantly opposed to the amendment, however, and seven of them—Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Maryland, Mississippi, South Carolina and Virginia—had already rejected it before Tennessee's vote on August 18, 1920. It was up to Tennessee to tip the scale for woman suffrage. Op. Cit.

6. The outlook appeared bleak, given the outcomes in other Southern states and given the position of Tennessee's state legislators in their 48-48 tie. The state's decision came down to 23-year-old Representative Harry T. Burn (1895-1977), a Republican from McMinn County, to cast the deciding vote. Although Burn opposed the amendment, his mother convinced him to approve it. (Mrs. Burn reportedly wrote to her son: "Don't forget to be a good boy and help Mrs. Catt put the 'rat' in ratification.") With Burn's vote, the 19th Amendment was ratified. Certification by U.S. Secretary of State Bainbridge Colby (1869-1950) followed on August 26, 1920. Op. Cit.

7. The National Women's Party led by Alice Paul became the first "cause" to picket outside the White House. Paul and Lucy Burns led a series of protests against the Wilson Administration in Washington. Wilson ignored the protests for six months, but on June 20, 1917, as a Russian delegation drove up to the White House, suffragettes unfurled a banner which stated; "We women of America tell you that America is not a democracy. Twenty million women are denied the right to vote. President Wilson is the chief opponent of their national enfranchisement".[24] Another banner on August 14, 1917, referred to "Kaiser Wilson" and compared the plight of the German people with that of American women. With this manner of protest, the women were subject to arrests and many were jailed.[25] On October 17, Alice Paul was sentenced to seven months and on October 30 began a hunger strike, but after a few days prison authorities began to force feed her.[24] After years of opposition, Wilson changed his position in 1918 to advocate women's suffrage as a war measure.[26] Women's suffrage in the United States - Wikipedia 24. ^ a b James Ciment, Thaddeus Russell (2007). "The home front encyclopedia: United States, Britain, and Canada in World Wars I and II, Volume 1". p.163. ABC-CLIO, 2007

25. ^ Stevens et al., Jailed for Freedom: American Women Win the Vote, NewSage Press (March 21, 1995).

26. ^ Lemons, J. Stanley (1973). "The woman citizen: social feminism in the 1920s" p.13. University of Virginia Press, 1973

a. During the 1912 presidential campaign against Theodore Roosevelt, Wilson and his opponent agreed on many reform measures such as child-labor laws and pro-union legislation. They differed, however, on the subject of women's suffrage, as Roosevelt was in favor of giving women the vote. President Woodrow Wilson picketed by women suffragists - Aug 28, 1917 - HISTORY.com




Be clear: the next time you claim Democrats got women the vote, or Republicans resisted same, you will reveal yourself to be what both of us know you to be: a low-life lying Liberal.



Did you notice how I destroyed you without any vulgarity?
Learn from it.
 
Why the hell should we let criminals affect our policies? The shits couldn't follow the law, why should they be involved in voting? I consider that as part of the price for committing crimes; "civil death" is the official term. - Felony disenfranchisement - Wikipedia

Anti suffrage is anti democratic, and a goal of the Republican Party's conservative wing. We punish people by fines or a loss of liberty (jail/prison); those who advocate taking away the right to vote is voter suppression, plain and simple; a necessary component of the Republican's goal of keeping sole power over We the People.

Universal suffrage is one of the great checks and balances in our nation's long history of stability in government. Power transfers back and forth, when the party in power overreaches and becomes too authoritarian and too insulated from the people, they will seek change.

During the past six months, more and more citizens have lost faith in the Executive and Legislative Branches, and if not corrected we can expect a sea change once again in Nov. 2018.
I think you are a hypocrite
you talk about felons being able to vote afer their sentence is done, but I bet you are fine with felons being denied other basic human rights for the rest of their lives
 
The 'Feebles' have tried to move this thread in all sorts of directions, but not in the direction at which it was aimed.


Must mean that it did as intended, and put the big hurt on the Democrats/Liberals.




But, it's time for a review:


1. Conservatives, who are the target of so much contumely and fabrications by the Democrats/Liberals, neither threaten to slaughter innocent Americans, nor are they guilty of plots and attempts to do just that, and yet they are hated by the Leftists.


2. Democrats/Liberals have made it their aim to bring in millions of unvetted refugees who were brought up on hatred and violence, many of whom wish to live under a doctrine the very antithesis of the Constitution.


3. Under Obama's reign, there were 93 such plots on American soil against America, 14 of which were carried out. Yet... Democrats/Liberals have made it their aim to bring in millions of the kith and kin of these same religionists.


4. As the OP reports, 20% of Muslims who live here in the land of free, are perfectly willing to do what the Q'ran tells them to do: kill innocents if it fits their plans.
And, of course, the title of the thread is in juxtaposition with that desire.


5. None of the above was able to be refuted or disputed....hence, it brought out all the hatred and viciousness and inanity that one has come to expect from the Left.
 
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Why the hell should we let criminals affect our policies? The shits couldn't follow the law, why should they be involved in voting? I consider that as part of the price for committing crimes; "civil death" is the official term. - Felony disenfranchisement - Wikipedia

Anti suffrage is anti democratic, and a goal of the Republican Party's conservative wing. We punish people by fines or a loss of liberty (jail/prison); those who advocate taking away the right to vote is voter suppression, plain and simple; a necessary component of the Republican's goal of keeping sole power over We the People.

Universal suffrage is one of the great checks and balances in our nation's long history of stability in government. Power transfers back and forth, when the party in power overreaches and becomes too authoritarian and too insulated from the people, they will seek change.

During the past six months, more and more citizens have lost faith in the Executive and Legislative Branches, and if not corrected we can expect a sea change once again in Nov. 2018.
The only people the Conservatives want to take the "right to vote" away from, are Felons, illegals, and those who have voted in another jurisdiction. Is there a problem with that? Or should illegal take the vote away from legal US citizens? You are a fucking traitor.
 
Why the hell should we let criminals affect our policies? The shits couldn't follow the law, why should they be involved in voting? I consider that as part of the price for committing crimes; "civil death" is the official term. - Felony disenfranchisement - Wikipedia

Anti suffrage is anti democratic, and a goal of the Republican Party's conservative wing. We punish people by fines or a loss of liberty (jail/prison); those who advocate taking away the right to vote is voter suppression, plain and simple; a necessary component of the Republican's goal of keeping sole power over We the People.

Universal suffrage is one of the great checks and balances in our nation's long history of stability in government. Power transfers back and forth, when the party in power overreaches and becomes too authoritarian and too insulated from the people, they will seek change.

During the past six months, more and more citizens have lost faith in the Executive and Legislative Branches, and if not corrected we can expect a sea change once again in Nov. 2018.
I think you are a hypocrite
you talk about felons being able to vote afer their sentence is done, but I bet you are fine with felons being denied other basic human rights for the rest of their lives
Can you imagine a Felon getting back their right to vote, but would the shit face liberal allow the Felon to get a gun?
 
Why the hell should we let criminals affect our policies? The shits couldn't follow the law, why should they be involved in voting? I consider that as part of the price for committing crimes; "civil death" is the official term. - Felony disenfranchisement - Wikipedia

Anti suffrage is anti democratic, and a goal of the Republican Party's conservative wing. We punish people by fines or a loss of liberty (jail/prison); those who advocate taking away the right to vote is voter suppression, plain and simple; a necessary component of the Republican's goal of keeping sole power over We the People.

Universal suffrage is one of the great checks and balances in our nation's long history of stability in government. Power transfers back and forth, when the party in power overreaches and becomes too authoritarian and too insulated from the people, they will seek change.

During the past six months, more and more citizens have lost faith in the Executive and Legislative Branches, and if not corrected we can expect a sea change once again in Nov. 2018.
The only people the Conservatives want to take the "right to vote" away from, are Felons, illegals, and those who have voted in another jurisdiction. Is there a problem with that? Or should illegal take the vote away from legal US citizens? You are a fucking traitor.
of course people serv ing time, people who have already voted in antoher jurisdiction and illegals shouldnt be voting. but if someone is free, not in jail, not on parole, they should have all the rights as anyone else...if they are too incompetent or dangerous to have those rights, they belong locked up. period. no exceptions.
 
Why the hell should we let criminals affect our policies? The shits couldn't follow the law, why should they be involved in voting? I consider that as part of the price for committing crimes; "civil death" is the official term. - Felony disenfranchisement - Wikipedia

Anti suffrage is anti democratic, and a goal of the Republican Party's conservative wing. We punish people by fines or a loss of liberty (jail/prison); those who advocate taking away the right to vote is voter suppression, plain and simple; a necessary component of the Republican's goal of keeping sole power over We the People.

Universal suffrage is one of the great checks and balances in our nation's long history of stability in government. Power transfers back and forth, when the party in power overreaches and becomes too authoritarian and too insulated from the people, they will seek change.

During the past six months, more and more citizens have lost faith in the Executive and Legislative Branches, and if not corrected we can expect a sea change once again in Nov. 2018.
I think you are a hypocrite
you talk about felons being able to vote afer their sentence is done, but I bet you are fine with felons being denied other basic human rights for the rest of their lives
Can you imagine a Felon getting back their right to vote, but would the shit face liberal allow the Felon to get a gun?
thats exactly what I'm talking about........as far as I'm concerned, if someone has committed a crime bad enough to justify taking their 2A rights away permanently, they have committed a crime worthy of death or life without parole.
 
Why the hell should we let criminals affect our policies? The shits couldn't follow the law, why should they be involved in voting? I consider that as part of the price for committing crimes; "civil death" is the official term. - Felony disenfranchisement - Wikipedia

Anti suffrage is anti democratic, and a goal of the Republican Party's conservative wing. We punish people by fines or a loss of liberty (jail/prison); those who advocate taking away the right to vote is voter suppression, plain and simple; a necessary component of the Republican's goal of keeping sole power over We the People.

Universal suffrage is one of the great checks and balances in our nation's long history of stability in government. Power transfers back and forth, when the party in power overreaches and becomes too authoritarian and too insulated from the people, they will seek change.

During the past six months, more and more citizens have lost faith in the Executive and Legislative Branches, and if not corrected we can expect a sea change once again in Nov. 2018.
The only people the Conservatives want to take the "right to vote" away from, are Felons, illegals, and those who have voted in another jurisdiction. Is there a problem with that? Or should illegal take the vote away from legal US citizens? You are a fucking traitor.
of course people serv ing time, people who have already voted in antoher jurisdiction and illegals shouldnt be voting. but if someone is free, not in jail, not on parole, they should have all the rights as anyone else...if they are too incompetent or dangerous to have those rights, they belong locked up. period. no exceptions.
Even if that person took the rights away from someone else, or worse, the other persons life?
 
Why the hell should we let criminals affect our policies? The shits couldn't follow the law, why should they be involved in voting? I consider that as part of the price for committing crimes; "civil death" is the official term. - Felony disenfranchisement - Wikipedia

Anti suffrage is anti democratic, and a goal of the Republican Party's conservative wing. We punish people by fines or a loss of liberty (jail/prison); those who advocate taking away the right to vote is voter suppression, plain and simple; a necessary component of the Republican's goal of keeping sole power over We the People.

Universal suffrage is one of the great checks and balances in our nation's long history of stability in government. Power transfers back and forth, when the party in power overreaches and becomes too authoritarian and too insulated from the people, they will seek change.

During the past six months, more and more citizens have lost faith in the Executive and Legislative Branches, and if not corrected we can expect a sea change once again in Nov. 2018.
I think you are a hypocrite
you talk about felons being able to vote afer their sentence is done, but I bet you are fine with felons being denied other basic human rights for the rest of their lives

You would lose that bet. The only restriction on the rights of a felon who had completed their sentence that I would support is to deny a violent felon the right to own, possess or have in his or her custody and control a gun.

{California made a major adjustment in the late 70's which in my experience created serious problems. Before these "reforms", for example, a 459 PC (burglary) had a sentence range of 5 years to life. Parole could be granted for good time, allowing the parole authority to release the convict after serving half that time (2.5 years); however, the offender could remain on parole for life.

[After serving time and being paroled the offender had Terms and Conditions to follow. If s/he violated any Term or Condition the parolee could be returned to prison after a Morrissey Hearing (see: Morrissey v. Brewer, 408 U.S. 471 (1972)) without the cost of a trail for a short stint, or for life.]

[The down side to the "reform" left prisoners with no motivation to cooperate with the staff or institution, and they had no goal since their 'date' was fixed by the legislature. The Consequence being the rise of prison gangs, higher rates of recidivism and since parole was "reformed" too, and was only for six months.]

For a lot more detail on this issue, see:

http://scholarship.law.berkeley.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2883&context=facpubs

and,

Sentencing, Incarceration, & Parole
 
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Why the hell should we let criminals affect our policies? The shits couldn't follow the law, why should they be involved in voting? I consider that as part of the price for committing crimes; "civil death" is the official term. - Felony disenfranchisement - Wikipedia

Anti suffrage is anti democratic, and a goal of the Republican Party's conservative wing. We punish people by fines or a loss of liberty (jail/prison); those who advocate taking away the right to vote is voter suppression, plain and simple; a necessary component of the Republican's goal of keeping sole power over We the People.

Universal suffrage is one of the great checks and balances in our nation's long history of stability in government. Power transfers back and forth, when the party in power overreaches and becomes too authoritarian and too insulated from the people, they will seek change.

During the past six months, more and more citizens have lost faith in the Executive and Legislative Branches, and if not corrected we can expect a sea change once again in Nov. 2018.
I think you are a hypocrite
you talk about felons being able to vote afer their sentence is done, but I bet you are fine with felons being denied other basic human rights for the rest of their lives

You would lose that bet. The only restriction on the rights of a felon that I would support is to deny a violent felon the right to own, possess or have in his or her custody and control a gun.

However, California made a major adjustment in the late 70's which in my experience created serious problems. Before these "reforms", for example, a 459 PC (burglary) had a sentence range of 5 years to life. Parole could be granted for good time, allowing the parole authority to release the convict after serving half that time (2.5 years); however, the offender could remain on parole for life.

After serving time and being paroled the offender had Terms and Conditions to follow. If s/he violated any Term or Condition the parolee could be returned to prison after a Morrissey Hearing (see: Morrissey v. Brewer, 408 U.S. 471 (1972)) without the cost of a trail for a short stint, or for life.

The down side to the "reform" left prisoners with no motivation to cooperate with the staff or institution, and they had no goal since their 'date' was fixed by the legislature. The Consequence being the rise of prison gangs, higher rates of recidivism and since parole was "reformed" too, and was only for six months.
You would lose that bet. The only restriction on the rights of a felon that I would support is to deny a violent felon the right to own, possess or have in his or her custody and control a gun.
Why? You want them to have all rights of a free man, why not the right to own a gun? Are you a fucking hypocrite? Yes you are...
 
Why the hell should we let criminals affect our policies? The shits couldn't follow the law, why should they be involved in voting? I consider that as part of the price for committing crimes; "civil death" is the official term. - Felony disenfranchisement - Wikipedia

Anti suffrage is anti democratic, and a goal of the Republican Party's conservative wing. We punish people by fines or a loss of liberty (jail/prison); those who advocate taking away the right to vote is voter suppression, plain and simple; a necessary component of the Republican's goal of keeping sole power over We the People.

Universal suffrage is one of the great checks and balances in our nation's long history of stability in government. Power transfers back and forth, when the party in power overreaches and becomes too authoritarian and too insulated from the people, they will seek change.

During the past six months, more and more citizens have lost faith in the Executive and Legislative Branches, and if not corrected we can expect a sea change once again in Nov. 2018.
The only people the Conservatives want to take the "right to vote" away from, are Felons, illegals, and those who have voted in another jurisdiction. Is there a problem with that? Or should illegal take the vote away from legal US citizens? You are a fucking traitor.
of course people serv ing time, people who have already voted in antoher jurisdiction and illegals shouldnt be voting. but if someone is free, not in jail, not on parole, they should have all the rights as anyone else...if they are too incompetent or dangerous to have those rights, they belong locked up. period. no exceptions.
Even if that person took the rights away from someone else, or worse, the other persons life?
in those cases, at least many of them...life imprinonment or the death penalty is called for
 
Why the hell should we let criminals affect our policies? The shits couldn't follow the law, why should they be involved in voting? I consider that as part of the price for committing crimes; "civil death" is the official term. - Felony disenfranchisement - Wikipedia

Anti suffrage is anti democratic, and a goal of the Republican Party's conservative wing. We punish people by fines or a loss of liberty (jail/prison); those who advocate taking away the right to vote is voter suppression, plain and simple; a necessary component of the Republican's goal of keeping sole power over We the People.

Universal suffrage is one of the great checks and balances in our nation's long history of stability in government. Power transfers back and forth, when the party in power overreaches and becomes too authoritarian and too insulated from the people, they will seek change.

During the past six months, more and more citizens have lost faith in the Executive and Legislative Branches, and if not corrected we can expect a sea change once again in Nov. 2018.
I think you are a hypocrite
you talk about felons being able to vote afer their sentence is done, but I bet you are fine with felons being denied other basic human rights for the rest of their lives

You would lose that bet. The only restriction on the rights of a felon who had completed their sentence that I would support is to deny a violent felon the right to own, possess or have in his or her custody and control a gun.

{California made a major adjustment in the late 70's which in my experience created serious problems. Before these "reforms", for example, a 459 PC (burglary) had a sentence range of 5 years to life. Parole could be granted for good time, allowing the parole authority to release the convict after serving half that time (2.5 years); however, the offender could remain on parole for life.

[After serving time and being paroled the offender had Terms and Conditions to follow. If s/he violated any Term or Condition the parolee could be returned to prison after a Morrissey Hearing (see: Morrissey v. Brewer, 408 U.S. 471 (1972)) without the cost of a trail for a short stint, or for life.]

[The down side to the "reform" left prisoners with no motivation to cooperate with the staff or institution, and they had no goal since their 'date' was fixed by the legislature. The Consequence being the rise of prison gangs, higher rates of recidivism and since parole was "reformed" too, and was only for six months.]

For a lot more detail on this issue, see:

http://scholarship.law.berkeley.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2883&context=facpubs

and,

Sentencing, Incarceration, & Parole
that is exactly what Im talking about...you are a hypocrite...being armed is a basic human right
 

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