Pete Buttigieg Twists Christianity: ‘Salvation’ Depends on Being ‘Useful.’

[Lysistrata]

TL;DR and all irrelevant anyway. This thread has a bullshit title. Buttigieg said nothing about "what Christianism believes". He said, and again I quote, "My faith". Once again, "my" is a singular.

How else could he describe his faith? Especially when everyone else in his party are atheists or Jews.

Exactly the way he did --- "MY faith".
I don't think you know the faiths of "everyone else in his party", nor is it relevant to anything anyway. We ain't running a god damned fucking theocracy.

Good Lord, put the crack pipe down. No one is disputing his faith and beliefs are different than most others. That’s actually the point of the OP, his faith is a twisted version of Christianity. He is the son of a Jesuit, and is in a looney Christian denomination that promotes queers.

Why do you think that you have any right to define what Christianity is and judge another Christian? graham, jeffress, southern baptists, are all pretty twisted themselves.

Go pray your way. Let other people pray their way. There is no reason for you to interfere with the spiritual lives of others.

I have the First Amendment right to define Christianity however I want, and there isn’t a damned thing you can do about it. I can judge other Christians if I want as well.

Funny how you attack me and question my right to define what a Christian is, then you turn around and call certain Christians twisted yourself. It’s almost unreal how fucking retarded you people are.

Yes, little boy. You have the right to define Christianity however you want, but for yourself only. Buttigieg has the same right. Why are you attacking him? I have the same right. As I said before, I think that the southern baptists are a pretty twisted group of people who have no recognition of Jesus at all. They are not a pretty people. Islam is not a religion? There is something called the "end times"? Women must subject themselves to the penis in their households? This is bullshit. All they seem to want to do is cause more mayhem between Christian groups, as well as people of other faiths. Europeans have done this for centuries, then they landed this cancer on the North American continent.

 

[theHawk]

How else could he describe his faith? Especially when everyone else in his party are atheists or Jews.

Exactly the way he did --- "MY faith".
I don't think you know the faiths of "everyone else in his party", nor is it relevant to anything anyway. We ain't running a god damned fucking theocracy.

Good Lord, put the crack pipe down. No one is disputing his faith and beliefs are different than most others. That’s actually the point of the OP, his faith is a twisted version of Christianity. He is the son of a Jesuit, and is in a looney Christian denomination that promotes queers.

Why do you think that you have any right to define what Christianity is and judge another Christian? graham, jeffress, southern baptists, are all pretty twisted themselves.

Go pray your way. Let other people pray their way. There is no reason for you to interfere with the spiritual lives of others.

I have the First Amendment right to define Christianity however I want, and there isn’t a damned thing you can do about it. I can judge other Christians if I want as well.

Funny how you attack me and question my right to define what a Christian is, then you turn around and call certain Christians twisted yourself. It’s almost unreal how fucking retarded you people are.

Yes, little boy. You have the right to define Christianity however you want, but for yourself only. Buttigieg has the same right. Why are you attacking him? I have the same right. As I said before, I think that the southern baptists are a pretty twisted group of people who have no recognition of Jesus at all. They are not a pretty people. Islam is not a religion? There is something called the "end times"? Women must subject themselves to the penis in their households? This is bullshit. All they seem to want to do is cause more mayhem between Christian groups, as well as people of other faiths. Europeans have done this for centuries, then they landed this cancer on the North American continent.

I never claimed Buttplug didn’t have the same right.

The rest of your post is a bunch of nonsense I’m not going to bother trying to decipher, other than the last little bit on how you really feel about Western civilization. It explains a lot about you. You’re welcome to move to Africa or the Middle East at any time if you hate Europeans so much.

 

[Lysistrata]

Exactly the way he did --- "MY faith".
I don't think you know the faiths of "everyone else in his party", nor is it relevant to anything anyway. We ain't running a god damned fucking theocracy.

Good Lord, put the crack pipe down. No one is disputing his faith and beliefs are different than most others. That’s actually the point of the OP, his faith is a twisted version of Christianity. He is the son of a Jesuit, and is in a looney Christian denomination that promotes queers.

Why do you think that you have any right to define what Christianity is and judge another Christian? graham, jeffress, southern baptists, are all pretty twisted themselves.

Go pray your way. Let other people pray their way. There is no reason for you to interfere with the spiritual lives of others.

I have the First Amendment right to define Christianity however I want, and there isn’t a damned thing you can do about it. I can judge other Christians if I want as well.

Funny how you attack me and question my right to define what a Christian is, then you turn around and call certain Christians twisted yourself. It’s almost unreal how fucking retarded you people are.

Yes, little boy. You have the right to define Christianity however you want, but for yourself only. Buttigieg has the same right. Why are you attacking him? I have the same right. As I said before, I think that the southern baptists are a pretty twisted group of people who have no recognition of Jesus at all. They are not a pretty people. Islam is not a religion? There is something called the "end times"? Women must subject themselves to the penis in their households? This is bullshit. All they seem to want to do is cause more mayhem between Christian groups, as well as people of other faiths. Europeans have done this for centuries, then they landed this cancer on the North American continent.

I never claimed Buttplug didn’t have the same right.

The rest of your post is a bunch of nonsense I’m not going to bother trying to decipher, other than the last little bit on how you really feel about Western civilization. It explains a lot about you. You’re welcome to move to Africa or the Middle East at any time if you hate Europeans so much.

BS. There is a lot more to "Western civilization" than your extremely narrow definition of it. The U.S. has a very rich and varied culture; full of ideas, books, music, etc., with a lot of influence from Europe, but a lot from elsewhere, as well. You don't seem to have had much contact with it. What country are you planning to move to?

 

[Dragonlady]

I loved when Pelosi told the Vatican they were wrong and didn't know what they were talking about when the Vatican corrected her on abortion.

The Vatican is wrong on abortion. God gave women choice. The Vatican denies that choice.

The Catholic Church, throughout recorded history has been corrupt and political. Not suprising that you consider a group which covers up corruption and pedophilia to be a reliable moral arbitor.

 

[Thinker101]

I loved when Pelosi told the Vatican they were wrong and didn't know what they were talking about when the Vatican corrected her on abortion.

The Vatican is wrong on abortion. God gave women choice. The Vatican denies that choice.

The Catholic Church, throughout recorded history has been corrupt and political. Not suprising that you consider a group which covers up corruption and pedophilia to be a reliable moral arbitor.

Wow, that's pretty impressive, that you have been around longer than the Vatican, have helped more people than the Vatican, have more money than the Vatican, know more than the Vatican and the best one is that you speak for God...quite impressive.

 

[Dragonlady]

I loved when Pelosi told the Vatican they were wrong and didn't know what they were talking about when the Vatican corrected her on abortion.

The Vatican is wrong on abortion. God gave women choice. The Vatican denies that choice.

The Catholic Church, throughout recorded history has been corrupt and political. Not suprising that you consider a group which covers up corruption and pedophilia to be a reliable moral arbitor.

Wow, that's pretty impressive, that you have been around longer than the Vatican, have helped more people than the Vatican, have more money than the Vatican, know more than the Vatican and the best one is that you speak for God...quite impressive.

The record of the Catholic Church throughout recorded history is a litany of corruption, torture, genocide and other horrors. The Church condoned all manner of wars and abuses, and encouraged forced coversions of "heathens".. The destructive and corrosive effect of a priesthood that doesn't marry cannot be overstated. I have no regard for the Catholic Church whatsoever. Their worldwide cover up of sexual abuse and perversion is the last straw.

 

[Thinker101]

I loved when Pelosi told the Vatican they were wrong and didn't know what they were talking about when the Vatican corrected her on abortion.

The Vatican is wrong on abortion. God gave women choice. The Vatican denies that choice.

The Catholic Church, throughout recorded history has been corrupt and political. Not suprising that you consider a group which covers up corruption and pedophilia to be a reliable moral arbitor.

Wow, that's pretty impressive, that you have been around longer than the Vatican, have helped more people than the Vatican, have more money than the Vatican, know more than the Vatican and the best one is that you speak for God...quite impressive.

The record of the Catholic Church throughout recorded history is a litany of corruption, torture, genocide and other horrors. The Church condoned all manner of wars and abuses, and encouraged forced coversions of "heathens".. The destructive and corrosive effect of a priesthood that doesn't marry cannot be overstated. I have no regard for the Catholic Church whatsoever. Their worldwide cover up of sexual abuse and perversion is the last straw.

Well, you loons always want to insist California is wonderful because it has the 5th largest economy. The Vatican is the largest and richest corporation in the world.

 

[Lysistrata]

I loved when Pelosi told the Vatican they were wrong and didn't know what they were talking about when the Vatican corrected her on abortion.

The Vatican is wrong on abortion. God gave women choice. The Vatican denies that choice.

The Catholic Church, throughout recorded history has been corrupt and political. Not suprising that you consider a group which covers up corruption and pedophilia to be a reliable moral arbitor.

Wow, that's pretty impressive, that you have been around longer than the Vatican, have helped more people than the Vatican, have more money than the Vatican, know more than the Vatican and the best one is that you speak for God...quite impressive.

Do remember that "The Vatican" is merely a collective name for whatever group of guys was running an institution at any given point in human history, guys who have very consciously excluded the other half of the human species from the institution. It's just a boys' club. Their claim to having some sort of authority is absurd. BTW: over the course of centuries, these boys have screwed up big-time.

 

[BS Filter]

How else could he describe his faith? Especially when everyone else in his party are atheists or Jews.

Exactly the way he did --- "MY faith".
I don't think you know the faiths of "everyone else in his party", nor is it relevant to anything anyway. We ain't running a god damned fucking theocracy.

Good Lord, put the crack pipe down. No one is disputing his faith and beliefs are different than most others. That’s actually the point of the OP, his faith is a twisted version of Christianity. He is the son of a Jesuit, and is in a looney Christian denomination that promotes queers.

Why do you think that you have any right to define what Christianity is and judge another Christian? graham, jeffress, southern baptists, are all pretty twisted themselves.

Go pray your way. Let other people pray their way. There is no reason for you to interfere with the spiritual lives of others.

I have the First Amendment right to define Christianity however I want, and there isn’t a damned thing you can do about it. I can judge other Christians if I want as well.

Funny how you attack me and question my right to define what a Christian is, then you turn around and call certain Christians twisted yourself. It’s almost unreal how fucking retarded you people are.

Yes, little boy. You have the right to define Christianity however you want, but for yourself only. Buttigieg has the same right. Why are you attacking him? I have the same right. As I said before, I think that the southern baptists are a pretty twisted group of people who have no recognition of Jesus at all. They are not a pretty people. Islam is not a religion? There is something called the "end times"? Women must subject themselves to the penis in their households? This is bullshit. All they seem to want to do is cause more mayhem between Christian groups, as well as people of other faiths. Europeans have done this for centuries, then they landed this cancer on the North American continent.

The Bible defines what a Christian is and the requirement for salvation, not a person's opinion.

 

[BS Filter]

I loved when Pelosi told the Vatican they were wrong and didn't know what they were talking about when the Vatican corrected her on abortion.

The Vatican is wrong on abortion. God gave women choice. The Vatican denies that choice.

The Catholic Church, throughout recorded history has been corrupt and political. Not suprising that you consider a group which covers up corruption and pedophilia to be a reliable moral arbitor.

Wow, that's pretty impressive, that you have been around longer than the Vatican, have helped more people than the Vatican, have more money than the Vatican, know more than the Vatican and the best one is that you speak for God...quite impressive.

Do remember that "The Vatican" is merely a collective name for whatever group of guys was running an institution at any given point in human history, guys who have very consciously excluded the other half of the human species from the institution. It's just a boys' club. Their claim to having some sort of authority is absurd. BTW: over the course of centuries, these boys have screwed up big-time.

I agree with you. They lost their way and became a tradition of men. Christians should study the Bible and follow Jesus, the Head of the Church, not a Pope.

 

[Thinker101]

Exactly the way he did --- "MY faith".
I don't think you know the faiths of "everyone else in his party", nor is it relevant to anything anyway. We ain't running a god damned fucking theocracy.

Good Lord, put the crack pipe down. No one is disputing his faith and beliefs are different than most others. That’s actually the point of the OP, his faith is a twisted version of Christianity. He is the son of a Jesuit, and is in a looney Christian denomination that promotes queers.

Why do you think that you have any right to define what Christianity is and judge another Christian? graham, jeffress, southern baptists, are all pretty twisted themselves.

Go pray your way. Let other people pray their way. There is no reason for you to interfere with the spiritual lives of others.

I have the First Amendment right to define Christianity however I want, and there isn’t a damned thing you can do about it. I can judge other Christians if I want as well.

Funny how you attack me and question my right to define what a Christian is, then you turn around and call certain Christians twisted yourself. It’s almost unreal how fucking retarded you people are.

Yes, little boy. You have the right to define Christianity however you want, but for yourself only. Buttigieg has the same right. Why are you attacking him? I have the same right. As I said before, I think that the southern baptists are a pretty twisted group of people who have no recognition of Jesus at all. They are not a pretty people. Islam is not a religion? There is something called the "end times"? Women must subject themselves to the penis in their households? This is bullshit. All they seem to want to do is cause more mayhem between Christian groups, as well as people of other faiths. Europeans have done this for centuries, then they landed this cancer on the North American continent.

The Bible defines what a Christian is and the requirement for salvation, not a person's opinion.

Except Dragonlady's, don't ya know.

 

[Pogo]

Exactly the way he did --- "MY faith".
I don't think you know the faiths of "everyone else in his party", nor is it relevant to anything anyway. We ain't running a god damned fucking theocracy.

Good Lord, put the crack pipe down. No one is disputing his faith and beliefs are different than most others. That’s actually the point of the OP, his faith is a twisted version of Christianity. He is the son of a Jesuit, and is in a looney Christian denomination that promotes queers.

Nothing anywhere in his statement has anything to do with "queers".
Just as nothing anywhere in his statement has anything to do with "Christianity".

I never claimed his specific statement was.

Actually you just claimed it was "the point of the OP". Read your own post.

The point of the OP is that Buttigieg has a twisted interpretation of Christianity. He is right.

You’re trying to claim Buttigieg isn’t a Christian at all, or something, hard to tell what your point is. You just keep ranting about his “faith”. Maybe he is a Muslim now? A fairy? Why don’t you enlighten us?

LOOK. It ain't that complex. The thread title claims Buttigieg made (whatever) claim about "Christianity". HE DID NOT. He didn't even bring up Christianity. He said, and again I quote, which I quoted when I got here and which is plainly right there in the OP's own link, "My faith". PERIOD. What we have here is a fake click-bait headline that the OP was too stupid to see through. THAT'S ALL THERE IS TO IT, FULL STOP.

"Christianity" is a name of a religious practice. It's a broad term that covers millions in various denominations and diversities of expression. "My faith" is singular and personal. He did not choose the broad term that covers millions. He chose the singular and personal. And if there's a shred of doubt about that, see the part just before where he introduces the passage as talking about "what's in my heart". AGAIN, "the heart" is a general concept common to everybody, while "MY heart" is SINGULAR AND PERSONAL and SPECIFIC.

Summa y'all go to excruciating lengths to avoid admitting you got punked by a fake headline because you didn't bother to vet it. Next time just DO YOUR HOMEWORK.

 

[Votto]

He should repent and stop engaging in a unnatural lifestyle

To be fair, he is only living the life he is trying to sell to us all. Do unto others as you want done to you.

So just vote "D" and grab your ankles.

Sicko!

 

[BS Filter]

Good Lord, put the crack pipe down. No one is disputing his faith and beliefs are different than most others. That’s actually the point of the OP, his faith is a twisted version of Christianity. He is the son of a Jesuit, and is in a looney Christian denomination that promotes queers.

Nothing anywhere in his statement has anything to do with "queers".
Just as nothing anywhere in his statement has anything to do with "Christianity".

I never claimed his specific statement was.

Actually you just claimed it was "the point of the OP". Read your own post.

The point of the OP is that Buttigieg has a twisted interpretation of Christianity. He is right.

You’re trying to claim Buttigieg isn’t a Christian at all, or something, hard to tell what your point is. You just keep ranting about his “faith”. Maybe he is a Muslim now? A fairy? Why don’t you enlighten us?

LOOK. It ain't that complex. The thread title claims Buttigieg made (whatever) claim about "Christianity". HE DID NOT. He didn't even bring up Christianity. He said, and again I quote, which I quoted when I got here and which is plainly right there in the OP's own link, "My faith". PERIOD. What we have here is a fake click-bait headline that the OP was too stupid to see through. THAT'S ALL THERE IS TO IT, FULL STOP.

So what's his "faith"?

 

[Pogo]

Mayor Pete said, "I care about this because my faith teaches me that salvation has to do with how I make myself useful to those who have been excluded, marginalized, and cast aside and oppressed in society."

THAT is your idea of heresy?

You wouldn't have like that Jesus guy much at all...

That might depend on how he defines “being useful” to the “marginalized” is. Using them as victims in identity politics to further a Marxist Agenda? Yes that might be heresy.

Whatever his intent is, it’s not tied to salvation. Salvation is accomplished in the belief in Jesus as the Christ.

Your problem here is you're addicted to this idea that you get to dick-tate what other people think.

The speaker CLEARLY spoke of his personal values, even went out of his way to preface that that was what he was doing. Yet here you sit purporting to judge what he means about his own values. YOU DON'T GET TO DO THAT, K?

This is what I call rhetorical fascism. "Don't tell me what you think, let me tell YOU what you think". Control freak writ large. YOU DON'T OWN other people's ruminations. Get that through your dense cranium.

 

[Pogo]

Mayor Pete said, "I care about this because my faith teaches me that salvation has to do with how I make myself useful to those who have been excluded, marginalized, and cast aside and oppressed in society."

THAT is your idea of heresy?

You wouldn't have like that Jesus guy much at all...

THE DEVIL IS A LIAR

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.
He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.
When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own:
for he is a liar, and the father of it.

John 8:44

When he says 'I care about this', he is speaking of himself
He has been excluded, marginalized, cast aside and oppressed
for being homosexual and entering into a marriage with a man

His 'faith' rests on self that engaging in a homosexual lifestyle
is ok with God and not sin and his marriage to another man
is not only blessed by God but was His doing

His 'faith' in his salvation is based on lies from satan
He doesn't like God's truth, he likes satan's lies
He doesn't want to accept God's way,
he wants God to accept his way...not happening

YET MORE control-freak rhetorical fascism.

**NOTHING** in the entire passage related in any way to sex. You just inserted that in there. Nor did anything refer to your ridiculously childish monster-under-the-bed "Satan". Hence you are a liar.

 

[Lysistrata]

I loved when Pelosi told the Vatican they were wrong and didn't know what they were talking about when the Vatican corrected her on abortion.

The Vatican is wrong on abortion. God gave women choice. The Vatican denies that choice.

The Catholic Church, throughout recorded history has been corrupt and political. Not suprising that you consider a group which covers up corruption and pedophilia to be a reliable moral arbitor.

Wow, that's pretty impressive, that you have been around longer than the Vatican, have helped more people than the Vatican, have more money than the Vatican, know more than the Vatican and the best one is that you speak for God...quite impressive.

Do remember that "The Vatican" is merely a collective name for whatever group of guys was running an institution at any given point in human history, guys who have very consciously excluded the other half of the human species from the institution. It's just a boys' club. Their claim to having some sort of authority is absurd. BTW: over the course of centuries, these boys have screwed up big-time.

I agree with you. They lost their way and became a tradition of men. Christians should study the Bible and follow Jesus, the Head of the Church, not a Pope.

But do not take the bible as inerrant or infallible, learn to take much of what is in it as allegory. strip away anything that cannot be attributed to Jesus himself (like Paul, Timothy, Revelations), and consider all ancient pertinent writings including the Gnostic Gospels.

Learn to discern that which is connected to the thoughts and teachings of Jesus, and those writers who were merely concerned with continuing the primitive customs of the day, like a woman being "unclean" after childbirth and "unclean" for a certain time depending on the sex of the child she had, and requiring a guy to impregnate his dead brother's wife. I'm not even going to touch on animal sacrifices.

Also, compare it to what was going on spiritually among people all over the earth at the same time. There are deeper meanings to all of this that are universal among humans.

 

[Pogo]

Exactly the way he did --- "MY faith".
I don't think you know the faiths of "everyone else in his party", nor is it relevant to anything anyway. We ain't running a god damned fucking theocracy.

Good Lord, put the crack pipe down. No one is disputing his faith and beliefs are different than most others. That’s actually the point of the OP, his faith is a twisted version of Christianity. He is the son of a Jesuit, and is in a looney Christian denomination that promotes queers.

Why do you think that you have any right to define what Christianity is and judge another Christian? graham, jeffress, southern baptists, are all pretty twisted themselves.

Go pray your way. Let other people pray their way. There is no reason for you to interfere with the spiritual lives of others.

I have the First Amendment right to define Christianity however I want, and there isn’t a damned thing you can do about it. I can judge other Christians if I want as well.

Funny how you attack me and question my right to define what a Christian is, then you turn around and call certain Christians twisted yourself. It’s almost unreal how fucking retarded you people are.

Yes, little boy. You have the right to define Christianity however you want, but for yourself only. Buttigieg has the same right. Why are you attacking him? I have the same right. As I said before, I think that the southern baptists are a pretty twisted group of people who have no recognition of Jesus at all. They are not a pretty people. Islam is not a religion? There is something called the "end times"? Women must subject themselves to the penis in their households? This is bullshit. All they seem to want to do is cause more mayhem between Christian groups, as well as people of other faiths. Europeans have done this for centuries, then they landed this cancer on the North American continent.

I never claimed Buttplug didn’t have the same right.

BULL SHIT. That's exactly what you've been doing.

 

[theHawk]

I loved when Pelosi told the Vatican they were wrong and didn't know what they were talking about when the Vatican corrected her on abortion.

The Vatican is wrong on abortion. God gave women choice. The Vatican denies that choice.

The Catholic Church, throughout recorded history has been corrupt and political. Not suprising that you consider a group which covers up corruption and pedophilia to be a reliable moral arbitor.

Wow, that's pretty impressive, that you have been around longer than the Vatican, have helped more people than the Vatican, have more money than the Vatican, know more than the Vatican and the best one is that you speak for God...quite impressive.

The record of the Catholic Church throughout recorded history is a litany of corruption, torture, genocide and other horrors. The Church condoned all manner of wars and abuses, and encouraged forced coversions of "heathens".. The destructive and corrosive effect of a priesthood that doesn't marry cannot be overstated. I have no regard for the Catholic Church whatsoever. Their worldwide cover up of sexual abuse and perversion is the last straw.

So virtually every Latino is complicit in these church abuses?

 

[Dragonlady]

Exactly the way he did --- "MY faith".
I don't think you know the faiths of "everyone else in his party", nor is it relevant to anything anyway. We ain't running a god damned fucking theocracy.

Good Lord, put the crack pipe down. No one is disputing his faith and beliefs are different than most others. That’s actually the point of the OP, his faith is a twisted version of Christianity. He is the son of a Jesuit, and is in a looney Christian denomination that promotes queers.

Why do you think that you have any right to define what Christianity is and judge another Christian? graham, jeffress, southern baptists, are all pretty twisted themselves.

Go pray your way. Let other people pray their way. There is no reason for you to interfere with the spiritual lives of others.

I have the First Amendment right to define Christianity however I want, and there isn’t a damned thing you can do about it. I can judge other Christians if I want as well.

Funny how you attack me and question my right to define what a Christian is, then you turn around and call certain Christians twisted yourself. It’s almost unreal how fucking retarded you people are.

Yes, little boy. You have the right to define Christianity however you want, but for yourself only. Buttigieg has the same right. Why are you attacking him? I have the same right. As I said before, I think that the southern baptists are a pretty twisted group of people who have no recognition of Jesus at all. They are not a pretty people. Islam is not a religion? There is something called the "end times"? Women must subject themselves to the penis in their households? This is bullshit. All they seem to want to do is cause more mayhem between Christian groups, as well as people of other faiths. Europeans have done this for centuries, then they landed this cancer on the North American continent.

I never claimed Buttplug didn’t have the same right.

The rest of your post is a bunch of nonsense I’m not going to bother trying to decipher, other than the last little bit on how you really feel about Western civilization. It explains a lot about you. You’re welcome to move to Africa or the Middle East at any time if you hate Europeans so much.

So what you're saying is that YOUR First Amendment rights matter, but Lysistra has no right to her own beliefs. Non-Catholic women find the Catholic Church to be odious, at best. There is far too much emphasis on women's sexuality, and on sexuality in general. Women have no power, authority, and their spiritual lives are ruled by men who have taken vows of celibacy and consider women to be the source of all sin. Eve ate that apple and ruined it all.

Here's the problem for you Hawk: Everyone's right to freedom of religion is exactly the same as yours. You don't get to define religion for anyone but yourself. That's the real meaning of the First Amendment. You're free to believe as you wish but YOU HAVE TO EXTEND THAT FREEDOM TO EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THE COUNTRY AND NONE THEM ARE REQUIRED TO BELIEVE AS YOU DO.

Conservatives are really quick to claim rights for themselves, but not to extend the same rights to those who disagree with them. Worse, they foolishly believe that other people having equal rights, somehow dimishes their rights, when in fact, the opposite is true. When everyone is free to worship as they believe, there is peace. The attempts to restricts the rights of others, generates conflict.

Had the bakers baked the cake, instead of publishing the names and addresses of the gay couple, and fighting the order to cease and desist their attacks on the gay couple, as their "right to free speech" the couple would have received a nice cake for their wedding, and the whole thing would have ended joyfully.

The bakers made a choice to make an issue on religious grounds, in violation of local laws. Instead of obeying court orders not to publish the names and addresses of the gay couple, the bakers kept fighting and fighting for the right to embarass, humiliate and threaten the gay couple, until the bakers lost everything, the couple nearly lost their children, and there is hate and resentment all around. Freedom has no value for anyone, unless it is there for everyone.

The religious right likes to claim victimhood, while they continue to attempt to restrict the rights of women to access safe, legal abortions, birth control (because it contributes to immoral lifestyles by preventing pregnancy), and in general, force their religious beliefs on their employees or students at their universities by writing their health insurance packages to exclude things THEY don't believe in. The health insurance is part of the employee's compensation package, and as such the employer should have NO RIGHT to determine what someone else's health insurance covers based on the employer's religious beliefs.