Pete Buttigieg Twists Christianity: ‘Salvation’ Depends on Being ‘Useful.’

[Rustic]

More theology lessons from a God hater.

Every time you ask the Left to demonstrate their usefulness to others, it's under the banner of some government redistribution program, transparently used to buy votes from the most needy.

Leftists are only incredibly charitable with other people's money.

Pete Buttigieg Twists Christianity: 'Salvation' Depends on Being 'Useful'

“Works” for salvation? What a fucking moron... lol

It's in the Bible: By their deeds, you will know them.

“Works” have nothing to do with salvation... that is in the Bible
Ephesians 2:8
“For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God”

 

[The Professor]

You know, Mayor Pete does have a point, and it is rooted in the Bible in James 2:14 through 26. It's the part of the Bible where it says that faith without works is dead.

Bible Gateway passage: James 2:14-26 - New King James Version

14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.


18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without a]">[a]your works, and I will show you my faith by b]">[b]my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is c]">[c]dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made d]">[d]perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was e]">[e]accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.


25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?


You can say you have faith, but it is your actions that show where your faith is.

A lot of Christians agree with Mayor Pete that what you do, that is how you treat others, is the most important element of Christianity. Your reference to the Book of James was spot on and there are other verses which support your position. Here is what I posted about the Books Of Matthew and others on July 30, 2013 (see Post # 16) at the following link:

what determines whether a person goes to heaven or not?

The most important verses in the above link are these:

Matthew 16:27:

For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.”

Matthew 25:31-46:

When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

"Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

"Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”

 

[Andylusion]

The only thing Pete has faith in is his boyfriend's penis.

Fucking weird how y'all are all hung up on sex, in a commentary that made no mention of it. Doncha think?

Obsess much?

Well when you claim to be a Christian, then by definition, means you follow the teachings of the Christian Bible.

Pete is a homo. That's what he is, and he's open about it.

These are mutually exclusive. You can't both follow the teaching of the Bible, and be a homo. So yes, we're talking about sex, because it matters and is relevant to this topic.

If I claimed to be a Vegan, and campaigned as a Vegan, and someone brought up pictures of me eating a steak at Texas Roadhouse (which I'm going to this weekend)..... would you laugh if other right-wingers were complaining "You left-wingers are obsessed with meat!" when you complained I wasn't really a Vegan?

Yeah you would, because me eating a steak would be central to the discussion, so yeah, the left-wingers would be obsessed with the fact I'm eating a steak, and claiming to be a Vegan.

Well sparky.... he's ain't a Christian.... or he needs to stop being a rump ranger. It's one or the other. Can't do both.

Once AGAIN ---*** NOTHING *** --- NO THING ,ZERO --- in the entire passage is about sex in any way, shape or form.

This ain't rocket surgery. The poster plugged in something that was not there.

The rest of your self-satisfied holier-than-thou bullshit is summarily dismissed for the sociopathic self-righteous pap it is.

Do you just want me to repeat what I already said?

Well when you claim to be a Christian, then by definition, means you follow the teachings of the Christian Bible.

Pete is a homo. That's what he is, and he's open about it.

These are mutually exclusive. You can't both follow the teaching of the Bible, and be a homo. So yes, we're talking about sex, because it matters and is relevant to this topic.

If I claimed to be a Vegan, and campaigned as a Vegan, and someone brought up pictures of me eating a steak at Texas Roadhouse (which I'm going to this weekend)..... would you laugh if other right-wingers were complaining "You left-wingers are obsessed with meat!" when you complained I wasn't really a Vegan?

Yeah you would, because me eating a steak would be central to the discussion, so yeah, the left-wingers would be obsessed with the fact I'm eating a steak, and claiming to be a Vegan.

Well sparky.... he's ain't a Christian.... or he needs to stop being a rump ranger. It's one or the other. Can't do both.

We can keep repeating to each other as long as you like.

You most certainly can be a Christian and not be perfect. One of the greatest preachers in the country was a man named A.A. Allen. He led thousands to Christ. His revivals would be packed. He died from alcoholism. He simply could not beat it.

Go to most church services and before or later you will hear someone gossip about someone. I'm not even going to argue with you whether it's a sin or not. Even if it was, that is between him and God.

Number of problems with your statement. But before I get to that, let me make it clear that I do not know know A.A.Allen, nor do I know if he was a Christian.

First problem is, there is a difference between not being perfect, and not even trying. Christianity has never been about being perfect, but it is most certainly about trying.

You can be a Christian, and have a struggle with homosexuality. You can NOT be a Christian, and openly embrace homosexuality.

You can be a Christian, had have murdered someone. Paul was a murderer. You can NOT be a Christian, and continue to murder people.

A person can repent of their sins, and be saved. But repenting of sin, means that you turn away from that which is evil, and regret doing it. If you openly embrace sin, and do not regret that sin, nor turn away from it.... then no you are not a Christian.

Again, replace this sin with any other sin.... Murder. Can you just murder forever, and hey G-d will save me because he doesn't expect me to be perfect? No. Even those who say you can repent on your death bed, and be saved..... that involves believing that what you did was wrong, and regretting it. It means if you had the chance to do it again, you would choose not to.

You will not be saved if you do not regret what you did. Pete doesn't even believe what he did was wrong. So no, he's not saved. Period.

Second problem is, there is a difference between being used by G-d, and being saved by G-d. They are not the same. Being used for the sake of Christianity, and being saved into Christianity are not identical.

I would point to King Cyrus of Persia for example. Isaiah 45, directly named the King who would bring his people back to Jerusalem. 100 years later, Ezra records the Cyrus of Persia allowed the Jews to return.

Let me ask you, was Cyrus a G-d fearing Jew? Was he a believer in the torah? No, of course not. Yet he was used by G-d to achieve his goals.

There are many times throughout the old and new testament, where G-d used non-believing people, to promote his plans.

G-d can use anyone to spread Christianity, whether they are a Christian or not.

Third problem is, even saying you are a Christian, and preaching the Bible, does not automatically make you a Christian.

And this is really clear in the Bible itself.

Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?'

Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' -Jesus
​

In Matthew 7:22, Jesus himself says very directly, that even people who say "lord lord" and even those who "prophesy in jesus name" and even those that "perform many miracles" .... even those people, there will be many who are not Christians.

Saying Jesus is Lord, teaching the Bible, and doing good deeds... someone can do all of that, and still not be a Christian.

So as I said at the start, I don't know this A. A. Allen, but he may or may not have been a Christian. Generally, the Bible is clear that G-d gives the power to overcome the struggles of life. If he couldn't overcome a beer, then I would question if he ever knew the Lord.

No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it.
1 Corr 10:13​

Again, I don't know. But I do know that you can't assume someone used by G-d is necessarily a Christian.

However, what we do know is that Pete is simply not. He has denied that something fundamental to the Christian faith, is even wrong. That's not a thing. Biblical doctrine hasn't changed in 2,000 years, and it won't change in the next 2,000 years.

 

[The Professor]

More theology lessons from a God hater.

Every time you ask the Left to demonstrate their usefulness to others, it's under the banner of some government redistribution program, transparently used to buy votes from the most needy.

Leftists are only incredibly charitable with other people's money.

Pete Buttigieg Twists Christianity: 'Salvation' Depends on Being 'Useful'

“Works” for salvation? What a fucking moron... lol

It's in the Bible: By their deeds, you will know them.

“Works” have nothing to do with salvation... that is in the Bible
Ephesians 2:8
“For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God”

There are a number of verses in the Bible which, on their face, establish that justification is by faith alone and works are irrelevant . This are also a number of verses which say that we are judged by our works and that faith without works is dead. Some Christians believe in the former and others in the latter. That's just the way it is.

 

[Rustic]

More theology lessons from a God hater.

Every time you ask the Left to demonstrate their usefulness to others, it's under the banner of some government redistribution program, transparently used to buy votes from the most needy.

Leftists are only incredibly charitable with other people's money.

Pete Buttigieg Twists Christianity: 'Salvation' Depends on Being 'Useful'

“Works” for salvation? What a fucking moron... lol

It's in the Bible: By their deeds, you will know them.

“Works” have nothing to do with salvation... that is in the Bible
Ephesians 2:8
“For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God”

There are a number of verses in the Bible which, on their face, establish that justification is by faith alone and works are irrelevant . This are also a number of verses which say that we are judged by our works and that faith without works is dead. Some Christians believe in the former and others in the latter. That's just the way it is.

lol
“Works” Have absolutely nothing to do with salvation… If they did there would be no reason for the crucifixion of Christ.


1. Eph. 2:8-9 - "For BY GRACE are ye SAVED THROUGH FAITH; and that NOT OF
YOURSELVES: it is the GIFT of God: NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast."
2. Rom. 4:6-7 - God imputes "Righteousness without works." (See #9, #4, #45, #7, #12, #53)
3. Rom. 10:3 - It's a grave mistake for anyone to try to, "Establish their own righteousness."
4. Rom. 5:17 - Heaven deserving righteousness is a "GIFT," not something you earn.
5. Rom. 5:18 - Justification to God is a "FREE GIFT," not something you work toward.
6. Phil. 3:9 - Paul, as ‘good’ as he was, still wouldn't trust his "Own righteousness" to save him.
7. Rom. 3:22 - God's righteousness is credited to "ALL THEM THAT BELIEVE," not all that work.
8. Rom. 8:3-4 - The flesh is too "Weak" to save itself. We need a Saviour. We need Christ. (See #86)
9. Rom. 4:3 - Abraham's faith, not works, "Was counted unto him for righteousness."
10. Rom. 4:4-5 - Works are "Not reckoned of grace, but of debt." Faith is counted as righteousness.
11. Gal. 3:10 - To earn Heaven you'd have to "Continueth," perfectly, in the whole law. (See #81, #86)
12. Titus 3:5 - "NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS which we have done, but according to
his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost."
13. John 5:24 - In Christ we've "PASSED from death unto life." We don't have to "wait" to find out.
14. Rom. 9:31-32 - Israel, "Sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law." (#33, #54)
15. Acts 4:12 - No other name but Christ can save us-- not the name of works, nor our own name.
16. John 1:12-13 - Only God's power, through His Son, makes us a child of God. We are not born into
God's family by "Blood" (heritage, family ‘pedigree’), "Nor will of the flesh" (good works), "Nor will
of man." (minister, or man made religion), "But of God." (See #12, #53, #21, #17, #22, #46, #15)
17. Isa. 45:22 - No one else can save a soul from Hell but God; "There is none else."
18. Acts 13:39 - "And by him [Christ] all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye
COULD NOT BE JUSTIFIED by the law of Moses." (See #33, #54, #53, #5, #42, #64, #82, #87, #80)
19. Rom. 8:7 - We can't follow God's law even if we wanted to. So how can we save ourselves? (#86, #8)
20. Matthew 7:21-23 - Christ describes a future scene in which some who are trusting in their "Many
wonderful works," will, sadly, be told by Christ: "I never knew you: depart from me, Ye that work
iniquity." Their good works will not save them. We all have to trust Christ, and Him ALONE. (#46, #12)
21. John 10:1 - We must enter through Christ, "THE DOOR," not by "Some other way.." (See #46)
22. John 8:24 - A person can work all they want, but it won't save them. Jesus said the bottom line is
that, "If ye believe not that I am he [the only way], ye shall die in your sins." (See #53 and #69)
23. Rom. 4:2 - If Abraham could have saved himself, he'd have something to brag about. (See #25, #1)
24. Acts 10:1-43 - Cornelius' good works would put anyone today to shame, yet he still had to get saved
by trusting solely in Christ to save him. (See #6, #12, #1, #88)
25. Rom. 3:27-28 - "Where is boasting then?...Of WORKS? nay." (See #1 and #23)
26. 1 John 5:13 - If your salvation depends on a lifetime of good works, then why does the Bible teach
that you could "KNOW" for sure, before you die, that you are going to Heaven? The answer is because
salvation doesn't depend on you, but on Christ, who ALREADY paid the price for your sins. (See #87)
27. Heb. 1:3 - "He had BY HIMSELF purged our sins." He doesn't need help from us! (See #15)
28. Heb. 2:3 - If we have to work at earning it, why does the Bible call it "So great salvation"?
29. Heb. 2:9-10 - Christ is "The CAPTAIN of their salvation." He tasted "Death for every man."
30. Heb. 2:14-15 - Christ is the one who will "DELIVER" us from death, not ourselves! (See #53)
31. Heb. 2:17 - Christ makes "RECONCILIATION for the sins." We can't reconcile ourselves.
32. Heb. 5:9 - Christ is "The AUTHOR of eternal salvation," not us! It's not in our hands.



33. Gal. 2:16 - "Knowing that a man IS NOT JUSTIFIED BY THE WORKS of the law, but by the
faith of Jesus Christ, ....that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and NOT by the WORKS
of the law: FOR BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED."
34. Heb. 9:28 - "Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many." God won't accept good works.
35. Heb. 10:10-12 - Christ's body was offered "Once for all." So stop insulting God with your works.
36. Heb. 10:14 - "For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them." STOP WORKING at it!
37. Heb. 10:17-18 - "There is no more offering for sin." So stop offering your good works.
38. 2 Cor. 1:9 - "We should not trust in ourselves, but in God," who has ALREADY paid the price.
39. 2 Cor. 1:10 - Christ "Delivered us from so great a death." He had to; we can't deliver ourselves.
40. Eph. 1:12-13 - You are saved by trusting in Christ, and, "After that believed, ye were SEALED."
41. Jer. 17:5 - "Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm."
42. Job 25:4 - "How then can man be justified with God? or how can he be clean that is born of a
woman?" (For God's answer, see #86, #63, #54, #33, #82, #80, #73, #5 and Isaiah 1:18)
43. Isa. 12:2 - "Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust." Don't trust good works, trust the Saviour.
44. Luke 18:9-14 - Jesus gives a parable teaching that self righteousness WILL NOT save a person.
45. Ezek. 33:13 - "If he trust to his own righteousness..." He better be perfectly sinless or else!
46. John 14:6 - Jesus said, "I am THE WAY...no man cometh unto the Father, BUT BY ME."
47. 1 Tim. 2:5-6 - There's ONLY "One mediator between God and men," Jesus Christ, not ourselves.
48. Col. 2:14 - Christ took our sin debt, "Nailing it to his cross." It's ALREADY paid for! (See #34-37)
49. John 19:30 - While on the cross, Christ said, "It is finished." It's paid. We don't have to work for it.
50. Matt. 11:28-30 - Christ offers "REST" to all those working at trying to earn their way to Heaven.
51. Isa. 53:4-6 - Christ was, "WOUNDED FOR OUR transgressions." Why? So WE don't have to be.
52. Heb. 4:9-10 - The person who accepts Christ as Saviour, "Hath CEASED from his own works."
53. Gal. 2:21 - If you could earn Heaven, why did Christ die? "Then Christ is dead in vain." (See #86, #8)
54. Rom. 3:20 - "Therefore by the deeds of the law there SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED in his
sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin." (See #33, #14, #82, #80, #87, #42, #73)
55. Gal. 5:1-4 - "Christ hath made us free." He had to; we can't free ourselves, no matter how "good."
56. 2 Tim. 1:10 - "Our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death," with no help from us.
57. 1 John 4:14 - Christ was sent, "To be the Saviour of the world"; we couldn't save ourselves.
58. 1 Tim. 4:10 - "The Saviour of ALL men." Why try to save yourself? You already have a Saviour.
59. Acts 16:30-31 - When the Philippian jailer asked, "What must I do to be saved?" Paul didn't say,
keep the Ten Commandments, but rather, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved."
60. Luke 7:49-50 - Christ told the woman: "Thy faith hath saved thee," not thy works! (See #1)
61. Eph. 1:7 - "Redemption through HIS BLOOD, the forgiveness of sins," not through our works.
62. 1 Pet. 1:3-5 - "According to his abundant MERCY," not according to our good deeds. (See #12)
63. Rev. 1:5 - Christ, "Washed us from our sins in his own blood"; can't wash ourselves with works.
64. Titus 3:7 - We are "Justified by his grace," not by our good deeds, baptism, or church membership.
65. Titus 2:11 - "The grace of God that BRINGETH SALVATION hath appeared to ALL MEN."
66. Eph. 4:32 - We are forgiven, "For Christ's sake," not because of our good behavior. (See #88)
67. Eph. 2:4-5 - "(By grace ye are saved)," not by works. The two don't mix according to Rom. 11:6.
68. Acts 26:18 - "Through this man [Christ]...forgiveness of sins," not through our efforts!
69. Heb. 7:25 - Only Christ is "Able to save." Only He can "Make INTERCESSION for them."



70. Rom. 3:10 - "There is none righteous, no, not one." So how can anyone save themselves?
71. Rom. 3:12 - "There is none that doeth good, no, not one." So how can anyone save themselves?
72. Eccl. 7:20 - "There is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good." Can anyone save themselves?
73. Rom. 4:25 - Christ has already died for our sins. He, "Was delivered for our offences and raised
again FOR OUR JUSTIFICATION." So what role does a person play in their own salvation?
74. Rom. 5:10 - "We are reconciled to God by the death of his Son," not by the fruits of our works.
75. John 6:28-29 - "Then said they unto him, WHAT SHALL WE DO, that we might work the works
of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, THIS IS THE WORK OF GOD, THAT YE BELIEVE
ON HIM whom he hath sent." (See #59, #22, #10, #53)
76. 1 Pet. 3:18 - "Suffered for us...that HE might bring us to God." Do we have to help Him save us?
Didn't He suffer enough to pay the price? Heb. 7:25 says He did. He saves to "The uttermost."
77. Matt. 5:20 - Your self-righteousness would have to surpass that of the Pharisees-- Impossible! (#70)
78. 1 John 2:2 - Christ, "Is the propitiation [payment]...for the sins of the whole world." If He can
pay for the sins of the whole world, why would He need our help in saving us-- mere individuals?
79. Rom. 8:8 - "They that are in the flesh cannot please God." So what chance does anyone have?
80. Rom. 3:23-25 - Through Christ's death we are "Justified freely" (made right with God). His death
provides: "Redemption" (we are bought back to God), "Propitiation" (a settlement of our sin debt),
"Remission [forgiveness] of sins." It's all by God's "Grace" not our works. (See #1, #35, #36, #78)
81. James 2:10-11 - "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in ONE POINT, he is
guilty of all." We can't possibly save ourselves; God demands sinless perfection. We need a Saviour.
82. Romans 5:8-9 - We are "Justified by his blood," not our good works. That's why "When we were
sinners, Christ died for us." Therefore, "We shall be saved from wrath through him."
83. Matt. 18:11 - Jesus came "To save that which was lost [us]." Why? Because we can't save ourselves.
Otherwise, why send Christ to die for our sins if we could pay for them ourselves? (See #53, #8, #86, #76)
84. Acts 15:10-11 - "Through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved," not through
works. Grace is not works; works is not grace, as explained in Rom. 11:6 (see #90, #1, #53)
85. 2 Cor. 5:21 - "Christ was made sin for us...that we might be made the righteousness of God in
him." Why trust our own "righteousness" if God offers to impute us His righteousness? (Rom. 4:22-24)
86. Matt. 19:25-26 - "When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, WHO THEN
CAN BE SAVED? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, WITH MEN THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE;
but with God all things are possible." (See #8, #41, #42, #81, #11, #45, #70, #19)
87. Rom. 5:1 - "Therefore being JUSTIFIED BY FAITH, we have PEACE WITH GOD through our
Lord Jesus Christ." There can be no real peace when a person spends their life wondering if they have done
enough good works. Peace is knowing it's been paid for ALREADY. (See #52, #50, #26, #53)
88. 2 Tim. 1:9 - "Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR
WORKS, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the
world began." God had a "payment plan" ready before any of us were even alive to work!
89. Rom. 10:9-13 - "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus [i.e. Repent], and shalt
believe in thine heart [i.e. Trust] that God hath raised him from the dead, THOU SHALT BE SAVED
...For whosoever shall CALL upon the name of the Lord SHALL BE SAVED." (See #15)
90. Rom. 11:6 - "And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace."
91. Gal. 1:4, 92. Rom. 1:16, 93. Gal. 3:21, 94. Heb. 9:22, 95. 1 Tim. 2:6, 96. Acts 10:43,
97. Isa. 43:11, 98. Gal. 3:24, 99. Heb. 9:12-14, 100. 1 Tim. 1:15, 101. Heb. 6:1





IF you were to die today, are you 100% SURE
you would go to Heaven? The Bible says
YOU CAN BE SURE (1 John 5:13).
BUT FIRST, you must realize that what keeps you
from going to Heaven are your sins, because:
"...your iniquities [sins] have separated
between you and your God," Isaiah 59:2.
In fact, in God's eyes YOU ARE A SINNER: "For
all have sinned, and come short
of the glory of God;" Romans 3:23.

SECONDLY, you must realize that there is
NOTHING you can do to save yourself and earn
Heaven: "For by grace are ye saved through
faith; and that not of yourselves: it is
the gift of God: Not of works, lest any
man should boast." Eph. 2:8-9 Baptism, good
deeds, church membership, self-righteousness are
all examples of good works that cannot save you,
because: "Not by works of
righteousness which we have done, but
according to his mercy he [Christ] saved
us," Titus 3:5.

THE ONLY WAY you can get saved is through
Jesus Christ. He said: "I am the way, the
truth, and the life: no man cometh unto
the Father, but by me." (John 14:6) THAT'S
WHY: "...while we were yet sinners, Christ
died for us." (Rom. 5:8-9)

THEREFORE: You must REPENT (change your
mind); admit that you are a Hell deserving sinner
and can't save yourself. And call upon Christ, and
Him alone, to save you. "if thou shalt confess
with thy mouth the Lord Jesus [REPENT], and
shalt believe in thine heart [TRUST] that God
hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be
saved." Romans 10:9

 

[keepitreal]

You know, Mayor Pete does have a point, and it is rooted in the Bible in James 2:14 through 26. It's the part of the Bible where it says that faith without works is dead.

Bible Gateway passage: James 2:14-26 - New King James Version

14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.


18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without a]">[a]your works, and I will show you my faith by b]">[b]my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is c]">[c]dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made d]">[d]perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was e]">[e]accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.


25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?


You can say you have faith, but it is your actions that show where your faith is.

If he's doing it to earn salvation, he's doing it for himself
Faith is a life lived for God, it's a lifestyle
His lifestyle goes directly against God's Word
and he professes God's approval, that is not faith in God

 

[pknopp]

They don't.

But they do... or they put a lien on your house, or they garnish your wages. There are many ways the IRS can take what you have by force. It's true that they do not TYPICALLY put people in prison, but they most certainly do put people in prison.

Of course the primary reason they don't, is because they would rather have you as a slave, than as a prisoner. Prisoners do not generally make a good enough income to pay their masters.... slaves do. Go work your job, and enjoy paying your master.

Paying for the things that you use does not make you a slave.

I have not used, welfare, food stamps, obama phones, section 8 housing, unemployment compensation, a wind mill, ethanol, a city bus, Amtrak, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, cash for clunkers, government funded Union pensions, and I could go on and on and on and on and on and on and on.................

“To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” -Thomas Jefferson.

I would expand that to include, propagation of social programs one does not believe in, is far worse than merely the ideas one disbelieves.

Make up your mind. Either taxation is theft OR you do not approve of where all taxation is spent.

They are not mutually exclusive.

It is theft. Period, end of story, game over.

However, I am not oblivious to the fact that at some level taxation is required. The question is what level.

For example, the original constitution did not allow for an income tax. You can have tariffs, and I do not oppose tariffs in general. I am against protectionist tariffs, because the goal is not to fund the government, but rather to prevent imported goods.

I am all in favor of low level tariffs on all important goods, that produces income for the government.

Additionally, while I want to keep corporate taxes low and competitive to other countries, I don't have a problem with corporate taxes either.

I do have a problem with a national income tax, because the government does not need that money, and should remain frugal and effective specifically on the duties of the Federal government.... which is national defense, security, and that is literally it. All rights, reserved to the states.

Now, on the opposite side of the argument, I have no problem with states deciding how they operate.

If you in your state, with your people vote to have an income tax, while I would oppose that in my state, it still would be constitutional.... all rights reserved for the states.

That's the way it was intended. And if your state wants to bankrupt itself with free health care, that's up to you and your state. All rights reserved for the states.

The reason I vehemently oppose this on the Federal level, is that you can avoid consequences on the Federal level.... you can borrow money to avoid the costs of your badly run, badly managed, federal system.... until it bankrupts the entire country. Which technically our government is utterly bankruptcy right now.

One of the good things about the state-based systems, is that you end up with only good policies moving forward. Bad policies are dropped. Because a state can't borrow until it bankrupts the country. When Hawaii tried to have free health care for children, the system in months went bankrupt, the policy was repealed.

But what would happen if this was a national policy by the Federal Government? The system would continue, built on borrowed money, until the country country imploded like Greece.

This why when you look at local budgets, they are generally much better, than the Federal Budget.

My local city budget, nearly every single dollar is productively used for the good of all people, not winners and losers... not one group paying for the benefits of another group.

It goes to police, that benefit everyone. Roads, that benefit everyone. Sewers, that benefit everyone. And on and on and on.

The very opposite of the Federal Budget, where the majority have their money stolen to pay for things they disagree with, that benefits a minority, largely for the benefit of the politicians themselves who gain support and votes from special interest groups.

That is evil... and it should be eliminated.

Nice write up and I do appreciate when people actually take the time to explain themselves but I pretty much ignored everything after the first couple sentences. If you understand that there are things that must be paid for, paying for it is not theft.

 

[pknopp]

Fucking weird how y'all are all hung up on sex, in a commentary that made no mention of it. Doncha think?

Obsess much?

Well when you claim to be a Christian, then by definition, means you follow the teachings of the Christian Bible.

Pete is a homo. That's what he is, and he's open about it.

These are mutually exclusive. You can't both follow the teaching of the Bible, and be a homo. So yes, we're talking about sex, because it matters and is relevant to this topic.

If I claimed to be a Vegan, and campaigned as a Vegan, and someone brought up pictures of me eating a steak at Texas Roadhouse (which I'm going to this weekend)..... would you laugh if other right-wingers were complaining "You left-wingers are obsessed with meat!" when you complained I wasn't really a Vegan?

Yeah you would, because me eating a steak would be central to the discussion, so yeah, the left-wingers would be obsessed with the fact I'm eating a steak, and claiming to be a Vegan.

Well sparky.... he's ain't a Christian.... or he needs to stop being a rump ranger. It's one or the other. Can't do both.

Once AGAIN ---*** NOTHING *** --- NO THING ,ZERO --- in the entire passage is about sex in any way, shape or form.

This ain't rocket surgery. The poster plugged in something that was not there.

The rest of your self-satisfied holier-than-thou bullshit is summarily dismissed for the sociopathic self-righteous pap it is.

Do you just want me to repeat what I already said?

Well when you claim to be a Christian, then by definition, means you follow the teachings of the Christian Bible.

Pete is a homo. That's what he is, and he's open about it.

These are mutually exclusive. You can't both follow the teaching of the Bible, and be a homo. So yes, we're talking about sex, because it matters and is relevant to this topic.

If I claimed to be a Vegan, and campaigned as a Vegan, and someone brought up pictures of me eating a steak at Texas Roadhouse (which I'm going to this weekend)..... would you laugh if other right-wingers were complaining "You left-wingers are obsessed with meat!" when you complained I wasn't really a Vegan?

Yeah you would, because me eating a steak would be central to the discussion, so yeah, the left-wingers would be obsessed with the fact I'm eating a steak, and claiming to be a Vegan.

Well sparky.... he's ain't a Christian.... or he needs to stop being a rump ranger. It's one or the other. Can't do both.

We can keep repeating to each other as long as you like.

You most certainly can be a Christian and not be perfect. One of the greatest preachers in the country was a man named A.A. Allen. He led thousands to Christ. His revivals would be packed. He died from alcoholism. He simply could not beat it.

Go to most church services and before or later you will hear someone gossip about someone. I'm not even going to argue with you whether it's a sin or not. Even if it was, that is between him and God.

Number of problems with your statement. But before I get to that, let me make it clear that I do not know know A.A.Allen, nor do I know if he was a Christian.

First problem is, there is a difference between not being perfect, and not even trying. Christianity has never been about being perfect, but it is most certainly about trying.

You can be a Christian, and have a struggle with homosexuality. You can NOT be a Christian, and openly embrace homosexuality.

You can be a Christian, had have murdered someone. Paul was a murderer. You can NOT be a Christian, and continue to murder people.

A person can repent of their sins, and be saved. But repenting of sin, means that you turn away from that which is evil, and regret doing it. If you openly embrace sin, and do not regret that sin, nor turn away from it.... then no you are not a Christian.

Again, replace this sin with any other sin.... Murder. Can you just murder forever, and hey G-d will save me because he doesn't expect me to be perfect? No. Even those who say you can repent on your death bed, and be saved..... that involves believing that what you did was wrong, and regretting it. It means if you had the chance to do it again, you would choose not to.

You will not be saved if you do not regret what you did. Pete doesn't even believe what he did was wrong. So no, he's not saved. Period.

Second problem is, there is a difference between being used by G-d, and being saved by G-d. They are not the same. Being used for the sake of Christianity, and being saved into Christianity are not identical.

I would point to King Cyrus of Persia for example. Isaiah 45, directly named the King who would bring his people back to Jerusalem. 100 years later, Ezra records the Cyrus of Persia allowed the Jews to return.

Let me ask you, was Cyrus a G-d fearing Jew? Was he a believer in the torah? No, of course not. Yet he was used by G-d to achieve his goals.

There are many times throughout the old and new testament, where G-d used non-believing people, to promote his plans.

G-d can use anyone to spread Christianity, whether they are a Christian or not.

Third problem is, even saying you are a Christian, and preaching the Bible, does not automatically make you a Christian.

And this is really clear in the Bible itself.

Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?'

Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' -Jesus
​

In Matthew 7:22, Jesus himself says very directly, that even people who say "lord lord" and even those who "prophesy in jesus name" and even those that "perform many miracles" .... even those people, there will be many who are not Christians.

Saying Jesus is Lord, teaching the Bible, and doing good deeds... someone can do all of that, and still not be a Christian.

So as I said at the start, I don't know this A. A. Allen, but he may or may not have been a Christian. Generally, the Bible is clear that G-d gives the power to overcome the struggles of life. If he couldn't overcome a beer, then I would question if he ever knew the Lord.

No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it.
1 Corr 10:13​

Again, I don't know. But I do know that you can't assume someone used by G-d is necessarily a Christian.

However, what we do know is that Pete is simply not. He has denied that something fundamental to the Christian faith, is even wrong. That's not a thing. Biblical doctrine hasn't changed in 2,000 years, and it won't change in the next 2,000 years.

You are unable to judge any of that. I'm not going to vote for Pete because I have a problem with him so readily say he would attack Mexico and that is something I do not understand but his relationship with God is between him and God, not him and me.

 

[The Professor]

More theology lessons from a God hater.

Every time you ask the Left to demonstrate their usefulness to others, it's under the banner of some government redistribution program, transparently used to buy votes from the most needy.

Leftists are only incredibly charitable with other people's money.

Pete Buttigieg Twists Christianity: 'Salvation' Depends on Being 'Useful'

“Works” for salvation? What a fucking moron... lol

It's in the Bible: By their deeds, you will know them.

“Works” have nothing to do with salvation... that is in the Bible
Ephesians 2:8
“For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God”

There are a number of verses in the Bible which, on their face, establish that justification is by faith alone and works are irrelevant . This are also a number of verses which say that we are judged by our works and that faith without works is dead. Some Christians believe in the former and others in the latter. That's just the way it is.

lol
“Works” Have absolutely nothing to do with salvation… If they did there would be no reason for the crucifixion of Christ.


1. Eph. 2:8-9 - "For BY GRACE are ye SAVED THROUGH FAITH; and that NOT OF
YOURSELVES: it is the GIFT of God: NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast."
2. Rom. 4:6-7 - God imputes "Righteousness without works." (See #9, #4, #45, #7, #12, #53)
3. Rom. 10:3 - It's a grave mistake for anyone to try to, "Establish their own righteousness."
4. Rom. 5:17 - Heaven deserving righteousness is a "GIFT," not something you earn.
5. Rom. 5:18 - Justification to God is a "FREE GIFT," not something you work toward.
6. Phil. 3:9 - Paul, as ‘good’ as he was, still wouldn't trust his "Own righteousness" to save him.
7. Rom. 3:22 - God's righteousness is credited to "ALL THEM THAT BELIEVE," not all that work.
8. Rom. 8:3-4 - The flesh is too "Weak" to save itself. We need a Saviour. We need Christ. (See #86)
9. Rom. 4:3 - Abraham's faith, not works, "Was counted unto him for righteousness."
10. Rom. 4:4-5 - Works are "Not reckoned of grace, but of debt." Faith is counted as righteousness.
11. Gal. 3:10 - To earn Heaven you'd have to "Continueth," perfectly, in the whole law. (See #81, #86)
12. Titus 3:5 - "NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS which we have done, but according to
his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost."
13. John 5:24 - In Christ we've "PASSED from death unto life." We don't have to "wait" to find out.
14. Rom. 9:31-32 - Israel, "Sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law." (#33, #54)
15. Acts 4:12 - No other name but Christ can save us-- not the name of works, nor our own name.
16. John 1:12-13 - Only God's power, through His Son, makes us a child of God. We are not born into
God's family by "Blood" (heritage, family ‘pedigree’), "Nor will of the flesh" (good works), "Nor will
of man." (minister, or man made religion), "But of God." (See #12, #53, #21, #17, #22, #46, #15)
17. Isa. 45:22 - No one else can save a soul from Hell but God; "There is none else."
18. Acts 13:39 - "And by him [Christ] all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye
COULD NOT BE JUSTIFIED by the law of Moses." (See #33, #54, #53, #5, #42, #64, #82, #87, #80)
19. Rom. 8:7 - We can't follow God's law even if we wanted to. So how can we save ourselves? (#86, #8)
20. Matthew 7:21-23 - Christ describes a future scene in which some who are trusting in their "Many
wonderful works," will, sadly, be told by Christ: "I never knew you: depart from me, Ye that work
iniquity." Their good works will not save them. We all have to trust Christ, and Him ALONE. (#46, #12)
21. John 10:1 - We must enter through Christ, "THE DOOR," not by "Some other way.." (See #46)
22. John 8:24 - A person can work all they want, but it won't save them. Jesus said the bottom line is
that, "If ye believe not that I am he [the only way], ye shall die in your sins." (See #53 and #69)
23. Rom. 4:2 - If Abraham could have saved himself, he'd have something to brag about. (See #25, #1)
24. Acts 10:1-43 - Cornelius' good works would put anyone today to shame, yet he still had to get saved
by trusting solely in Christ to save him. (See #6, #12, #1, #88)
25. Rom. 3:27-28 - "Where is boasting then?...Of WORKS? nay." (See #1 and #23)
26. 1 John 5:13 - If your salvation depends on a lifetime of good works, then why does the Bible teach
that you could "KNOW" for sure, before you die, that you are going to Heaven? The answer is because
salvation doesn't depend on you, but on Christ, who ALREADY paid the price for your sins. (See #87)
27. Heb. 1:3 - "He had BY HIMSELF purged our sins." He doesn't need help from us! (See #15)
28. Heb. 2:3 - If we have to work at earning it, why does the Bible call it "So great salvation"?
29. Heb. 2:9-10 - Christ is "The CAPTAIN of their salvation." He tasted "Death for every man."
30. Heb. 2:14-15 - Christ is the one who will "DELIVER" us from death, not ourselves! (See #53)
31. Heb. 2:17 - Christ makes "RECONCILIATION for the sins." We can't reconcile ourselves.
32. Heb. 5:9 - Christ is "The AUTHOR of eternal salvation," not us! It's not in our hands.



33. Gal. 2:16 - "Knowing that a man IS NOT JUSTIFIED BY THE WORKS of the law, but by the
faith of Jesus Christ, ....that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and NOT by the WORKS
of the law: FOR BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED."
34. Heb. 9:28 - "Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many." God won't accept good works.
35. Heb. 10:10-12 - Christ's body was offered "Once for all." So stop insulting God with your works.
36. Heb. 10:14 - "For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them." STOP WORKING at it!
37. Heb. 10:17-18 - "There is no more offering for sin." So stop offering your good works.
38. 2 Cor. 1:9 - "We should not trust in ourselves, but in God," who has ALREADY paid the price.
39. 2 Cor. 1:10 - Christ "Delivered us from so great a death." He had to; we can't deliver ourselves.
40. Eph. 1:12-13 - You are saved by trusting in Christ, and, "After that believed, ye were SEALED."
41. Jer. 17:5 - "Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm."
42. Job 25:4 - "How then can man be justified with God? or how can he be clean that is born of a
woman?" (For God's answer, see #86, #63, #54, #33, #82, #80, #73, #5 and Isaiah 1:18)
43. Isa. 12:2 - "Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust." Don't trust good works, trust the Saviour.
44. Luke 18:9-14 - Jesus gives a parable teaching that self righteousness WILL NOT save a person.
45. Ezek. 33:13 - "If he trust to his own righteousness..." He better be perfectly sinless or else!
46. John 14:6 - Jesus said, "I am THE WAY...no man cometh unto the Father, BUT BY ME."
47. 1 Tim. 2:5-6 - There's ONLY "One mediator between God and men," Jesus Christ, not ourselves.
48. Col. 2:14 - Christ took our sin debt, "Nailing it to his cross." It's ALREADY paid for! (See #34-37)
49. John 19:30 - While on the cross, Christ said, "It is finished." It's paid. We don't have to work for it.
50. Matt. 11:28-30 - Christ offers "REST" to all those working at trying to earn their way to Heaven.
51. Isa. 53:4-6 - Christ was, "WOUNDED FOR OUR transgressions." Why? So WE don't have to be.
52. Heb. 4:9-10 - The person who accepts Christ as Saviour, "Hath CEASED from his own works."
53. Gal. 2:21 - If you could earn Heaven, why did Christ die? "Then Christ is dead in vain." (See #86, #8)
54. Rom. 3:20 - "Therefore by the deeds of the law there SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED in his
sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin." (See #33, #14, #82, #80, #87, #42, #73)
55. Gal. 5:1-4 - "Christ hath made us free." He had to; we can't free ourselves, no matter how "good."
56. 2 Tim. 1:10 - "Our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death," with no help from us.
57. 1 John 4:14 - Christ was sent, "To be the Saviour of the world"; we couldn't save ourselves.
58. 1 Tim. 4:10 - "The Saviour of ALL men." Why try to save yourself? You already have a Saviour.
59. Acts 16:30-31 - When the Philippian jailer asked, "What must I do to be saved?" Paul didn't say,
keep the Ten Commandments, but rather, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved."
60. Luke 7:49-50 - Christ told the woman: "Thy faith hath saved thee," not thy works! (See #1)
61. Eph. 1:7 - "Redemption through HIS BLOOD, the forgiveness of sins," not through our works.
62. 1 Pet. 1:3-5 - "According to his abundant MERCY," not according to our good deeds. (See #12)
63. Rev. 1:5 - Christ, "Washed us from our sins in his own blood"; can't wash ourselves with works.
64. Titus 3:7 - We are "Justified by his grace," not by our good deeds, baptism, or church membership.
65. Titus 2:11 - "The grace of God that BRINGETH SALVATION hath appeared to ALL MEN."
66. Eph. 4:32 - We are forgiven, "For Christ's sake," not because of our good behavior. (See #88)
67. Eph. 2:4-5 - "(By grace ye are saved)," not by works. The two don't mix according to Rom. 11:6.
68. Acts 26:18 - "Through this man [Christ]...forgiveness of sins," not through our efforts!
69. Heb. 7:25 - Only Christ is "Able to save." Only He can "Make INTERCESSION for them."



70. Rom. 3:10 - "There is none righteous, no, not one." So how can anyone save themselves?
71. Rom. 3:12 - "There is none that doeth good, no, not one." So how can anyone save themselves?
72. Eccl. 7:20 - "There is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good." Can anyone save themselves?
73. Rom. 4:25 - Christ has already died for our sins. He, "Was delivered for our offences and raised
again FOR OUR JUSTIFICATION." So what role does a person play in their own salvation?
74. Rom. 5:10 - "We are reconciled to God by the death of his Son," not by the fruits of our works.
75. John 6:28-29 - "Then said they unto him, WHAT SHALL WE DO, that we might work the works
of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, THIS IS THE WORK OF GOD, THAT YE BELIEVE
ON HIM whom he hath sent." (See #59, #22, #10, #53)
76. 1 Pet. 3:18 - "Suffered for us...that HE might bring us to God." Do we have to help Him save us?
Didn't He suffer enough to pay the price? Heb. 7:25 says He did. He saves to "The uttermost."
77. Matt. 5:20 - Your self-righteousness would have to surpass that of the Pharisees-- Impossible! (#70)
78. 1 John 2:2 - Christ, "Is the propitiation [payment]...for the sins of the whole world." If He can
pay for the sins of the whole world, why would He need our help in saving us-- mere individuals?
79. Rom. 8:8 - "They that are in the flesh cannot please God." So what chance does anyone have?
80. Rom. 3:23-25 - Through Christ's death we are "Justified freely" (made right with God). His death
provides: "Redemption" (we are bought back to God), "Propitiation" (a settlement of our sin debt),
"Remission [forgiveness] of sins." It's all by God's "Grace" not our works. (See #1, #35, #36, #78)
81. James 2:10-11 - "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in ONE POINT, he is
guilty of all." We can't possibly save ourselves; God demands sinless perfection. We need a Saviour.
82. Romans 5:8-9 - We are "Justified by his blood," not our good works. That's why "When we were
sinners, Christ died for us." Therefore, "We shall be saved from wrath through him."
83. Matt. 18:11 - Jesus came "To save that which was lost [us]." Why? Because we can't save ourselves.
Otherwise, why send Christ to die for our sins if we could pay for them ourselves? (See #53, #8, #86, #76)
84. Acts 15:10-11 - "Through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved," not through
works. Grace is not works; works is not grace, as explained in Rom. 11:6 (see #90, #1, #53)
85. 2 Cor. 5:21 - "Christ was made sin for us...that we might be made the righteousness of God in
him." Why trust our own "righteousness" if God offers to impute us His righteousness? (Rom. 4:22-24)
86. Matt. 19:25-26 - "When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, WHO THEN
CAN BE SAVED? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, WITH MEN THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE;
but with God all things are possible." (See #8, #41, #42, #81, #11, #45, #70, #19)
87. Rom. 5:1 - "Therefore being JUSTIFIED BY FAITH, we have PEACE WITH GOD through our
Lord Jesus Christ." There can be no real peace when a person spends their life wondering if they have done
enough good works. Peace is knowing it's been paid for ALREADY. (See #52, #50, #26, #53)
88. 2 Tim. 1:9 - "Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR
WORKS, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the
world began." God had a "payment plan" ready before any of us were even alive to work!
89. Rom. 10:9-13 - "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus [i.e. Repent], and shalt
believe in thine heart [i.e. Trust] that God hath raised him from the dead, THOU SHALT BE SAVED
...For whosoever shall CALL upon the name of the Lord SHALL BE SAVED." (See #15)
90. Rom. 11:6 - "And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace."
91. Gal. 1:4, 92. Rom. 1:16, 93. Gal. 3:21, 94. Heb. 9:22, 95. 1 Tim. 2:6, 96. Acts 10:43,
97. Isa. 43:11, 98. Gal. 3:24, 99. Heb. 9:12-14, 100. 1 Tim. 1:15, 101. Heb. 6:1





IF you were to die today, are you 100% SURE
you would go to Heaven? The Bible says
YOU CAN BE SURE (1 John 5:13).
BUT FIRST, you must realize that what keeps you
from going to Heaven are your sins, because:
"...your iniquities [sins] have separated
between you and your God," Isaiah 59:2.
In fact, in God's eyes YOU ARE A SINNER: "For
all have sinned, and come short
of the glory of God;" Romans 3:23.

SECONDLY, you must realize that there is
NOTHING you can do to save yourself and earn
Heaven: "For by grace are ye saved through
faith; and that not of yourselves: it is
the gift of God: Not of works, lest any
man should boast." Eph. 2:8-9 Baptism, good
deeds, church membership, self-righteousness are
all examples of good works that cannot save you,
because: "Not by works of
righteousness which we have done, but
according to his mercy he [Christ] saved
us," Titus 3:5.

THE ONLY WAY you can get saved is through
Jesus Christ. He said: "I am the way, the
truth, and the life: no man cometh unto
the Father, but by me." (John 14:6) THAT'S
WHY: "...while we were yet sinners, Christ
died for us." (Rom. 5:8-9)

THEREFORE: You must REPENT (change your
mind); admit that you are a Hell deserving sinner
and can't save yourself. And call upon Christ, and
Him alone, to save you. "if thou shalt confess
with thy mouth the Lord Jesus [REPENT], and
shalt believe in thine heart [TRUST] that God
hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be
saved." Romans 10:9

I don't know why you hit me with all your Bible verses. In the post right before yours, I had already acknowledged that there are verses in the Bible which, taken by themselves, tend to prove the Justification By Faith Doctrine. Further, on July 30, 2013, I posted an article on the USMB in which I quoted verses which tended to prove the same thing (see post #15 at the following link):

what determines whether a person goes to heaven or not?

What you fail to realize is that there are other verses which, taken by themselves, prove that justification is by works, and that faith without works is dead (useless). I will only rehash three of my references.

First
James said that faith without works is dead, meaning useless. According to James, if all you have is bare faith, you have nothing

“And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?” (James 2:16-18, KJV).

According to James, merely believing that Christ is the son of God is meaningless if one does not show his faith by his works.

Second
Matthew makes it crystal clear that all of mankind will be judged by how they treated those in need; those who were kind to their needy fellowmen would inherit eternal life, but those who mistreated them would be condemned to eternal punishment, everlasting fire

“When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

“Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal” (Matthew 25: 31-46, KJV, highlights my own).

Third
The several times Christ was asked what one must do to be saved, His answer was the same: obey the Commandments. Obeying the Commandments is about one's conduct, one's works, and according to the Son of God, doing God's will is what gets you to Heaven.

CONCLUSION: The following is not debatable: There are verses in the Bible which a reasonable person could conclude proves that justification is by faith alone; however, there are other verses which might lead a reasonable person to conclude that works are required for salvation, and without works, there is no hope. That is why real Christians, sensible, rational people, disagree on this issue.

You asked what would be the purpose of Christ's crucifixion if works were necessary for salvation. It s not my desire to get into a prolonged theological debate with you, but I suggest that the crucifixion of Christ, according to the overwhelming consensus of Christian authorities, was for the forgiveness of sins. His death on the cross removed a barrier to eternal life but did not guarantee it. What one did after that determines one's fate.

There are those who suggest that belief in Christ is all one needs for salvation, but such belief must mean more than He is the Son of God and died on the cross to atone for the sins of mankind. It is literally impossible to believe in Christ unless one also believes each and every word He spoke. True belief in Christ means you believe everything about him and every word he said. Christ revealed what it takes to receive eternal life. Whether you believe him or not is your choice.

Now, you have the last word.

 

[Pogo]

Well when you claim to be a Christian, then by definition, means you follow the teachings of the Christian Bible.

Pete is a homo. That's what he is, and he's open about it.

These are mutually exclusive. You can't both follow the teaching of the Bible, and be a homo. So yes, we're talking about sex, because it matters and is relevant to this topic.

If I claimed to be a Vegan, and campaigned as a Vegan, and someone brought up pictures of me eating a steak at Texas Roadhouse (which I'm going to this weekend)..... would you laugh if other right-wingers were complaining "You left-wingers are obsessed with meat!" when you complained I wasn't really a Vegan?

Yeah you would, because me eating a steak would be central to the discussion, so yeah, the left-wingers would be obsessed with the fact I'm eating a steak, and claiming to be a Vegan.

Well sparky.... he's ain't a Christian.... or he needs to stop being a rump ranger. It's one or the other. Can't do both.

Once AGAIN ---*** NOTHING *** --- NO THING ,ZERO --- in the entire passage is about sex in any way, shape or form.

This ain't rocket surgery. The poster plugged in something that was not there.

The rest of your self-satisfied holier-than-thou bullshit is summarily dismissed for the sociopathic self-righteous pap it is.

Do you just want me to repeat what I already said?

Well when you claim to be a Christian, then by definition, means you follow the teachings of the Christian Bible.

Pete is a homo. That's what he is, and he's open about it.

These are mutually exclusive. You can't both follow the teaching of the Bible, and be a homo. So yes, we're talking about sex, because it matters and is relevant to this topic.

If I claimed to be a Vegan, and campaigned as a Vegan, and someone brought up pictures of me eating a steak at Texas Roadhouse (which I'm going to this weekend)..... would you laugh if other right-wingers were complaining "You left-wingers are obsessed with meat!" when you complained I wasn't really a Vegan?

Yeah you would, because me eating a steak would be central to the discussion, so yeah, the left-wingers would be obsessed with the fact I'm eating a steak, and claiming to be a Vegan.

Well sparky.... he's ain't a Christian.... or he needs to stop being a rump ranger. It's one or the other. Can't do both.

We can keep repeating to each other as long as you like.

You most certainly can be a Christian and not be perfect. One of the greatest preachers in the country was a man named A.A. Allen. He led thousands to Christ. His revivals would be packed. He died from alcoholism. He simply could not beat it.

Go to most church services and before or later you will hear someone gossip about someone. I'm not even going to argue with you whether it's a sin or not. Even if it was, that is between him and God.

Number of problems with your statement. But before I get to that, let me make it clear that I do not know know A.A.Allen, nor do I know if he was a Christian.

First problem is, there is a difference between not being perfect, and not even trying. Christianity has never been about being perfect, but it is most certainly about trying.

You can be a Christian, and have a struggle with homosexuality. You can NOT be a Christian, and openly embrace homosexuality.

You can be a Christian, had have murdered someone. Paul was a murderer. You can NOT be a Christian, and continue to murder people.

A person can repent of their sins, and be saved. But repenting of sin, means that you turn away from that which is evil, and regret doing it. If you openly embrace sin, and do not regret that sin, nor turn away from it.... then no you are not a Christian.

Again, replace this sin with any other sin.... Murder. Can you just murder forever, and hey G-d will save me because he doesn't expect me to be perfect? No. Even those who say you can repent on your death bed, and be saved..... that involves believing that what you did was wrong, and regretting it. It means if you had the chance to do it again, you would choose not to.

You will not be saved if you do not regret what you did. Pete doesn't even believe what he did was wrong. So no, he's not saved. Period.

Second problem is, there is a difference between being used by G-d, and being saved by G-d. They are not the same. Being used for the sake of Christianity, and being saved into Christianity are not identical.

I would point to King Cyrus of Persia for example. Isaiah 45, directly named the King who would bring his people back to Jerusalem. 100 years later, Ezra records the Cyrus of Persia allowed the Jews to return.

Let me ask you, was Cyrus a G-d fearing Jew? Was he a believer in the torah? No, of course not. Yet he was used by G-d to achieve his goals.

There are many times throughout the old and new testament, where G-d used non-believing people, to promote his plans.

G-d can use anyone to spread Christianity, whether they are a Christian or not.

Third problem is, even saying you are a Christian, and preaching the Bible, does not automatically make you a Christian.

And this is really clear in the Bible itself.

Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?'

Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' -Jesus
​

In Matthew 7:22, Jesus himself says very directly, that even people who say "lord lord" and even those who "prophesy in jesus name" and even those that "perform many miracles" .... even those people, there will be many who are not Christians.

Saying Jesus is Lord, teaching the Bible, and doing good deeds... someone can do all of that, and still not be a Christian.

So as I said at the start, I don't know this A. A. Allen, but he may or may not have been a Christian. Generally, the Bible is clear that G-d gives the power to overcome the struggles of life. If he couldn't overcome a beer, then I would question if he ever knew the Lord.

No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it.
1 Corr 10:13​

Again, I don't know. But I do know that you can't assume someone used by G-d is necessarily a Christian.

However, what we do know is that Pete is simply not. He has denied that something fundamental to the Christian faith, is even wrong. That's not a thing. Biblical doctrine hasn't changed in 2,000 years, and it won't change in the next 2,000 years.

You are unable to judge any of that. I'm not going to vote for Pete because I have a problem with him so readily say he would attack Mexico and that is something I do not understand but his relationship with God is between him and God, not him and me.

It's always the rhetorical fascist control freaks who want to take something entirely personal like one's religion or one's sexuality, and try to force their own views on them. And they don't seem shy about self-identifying.

 

[Weatherman2020]

More theology lessons from a God hater.

Every time you ask the Left to demonstrate their usefulness to others, it's under the banner of some government redistribution program, transparently used to buy votes from the most needy.

Leftists are only incredibly charitable with other people's money.

Pete Buttigieg Twists Christianity: 'Salvation' Depends on Being 'Useful'

“Works” for salvation? What a fucking moron... lol

It's in the Bible: By their deeds, you will know them.

“Works” have nothing to do with salvation... that is in the Bible
Ephesians 2:8
“For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God”

There are a number of verses in the Bible which, on their face, establish that justification is by faith alone and works are irrelevant . This are also a number of verses which say that we are judged by our works and that faith without works is dead. Some Christians believe in the former and others in the latter. That's just the way it is.

lol
“Works” Have absolutely nothing to do with salvation… If they did there would be no reason for the crucifixion of Christ.


1. Eph. 2:8-9 - "For BY GRACE are ye SAVED THROUGH FAITH; and that NOT OF
YOURSELVES: it is the GIFT of God: NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast."
2. Rom. 4:6-7 - God imputes "Righteousness without works." (See #9, #4, #45, #7, #12, #53)
3. Rom. 10:3 - It's a grave mistake for anyone to try to, "Establish their own righteousness."
4. Rom. 5:17 - Heaven deserving righteousness is a "GIFT," not something you earn.
5. Rom. 5:18 - Justification to God is a "FREE GIFT," not something you work toward.
6. Phil. 3:9 - Paul, as ‘good’ as he was, still wouldn't trust his "Own righteousness" to save him.
7. Rom. 3:22 - God's righteousness is credited to "ALL THEM THAT BELIEVE," not all that work.
8. Rom. 8:3-4 - The flesh is too "Weak" to save itself. We need a Saviour. We need Christ. (See #86)
9. Rom. 4:3 - Abraham's faith, not works, "Was counted unto him for righteousness."
10. Rom. 4:4-5 - Works are "Not reckoned of grace, but of debt." Faith is counted as righteousness.
11. Gal. 3:10 - To earn Heaven you'd have to "Continueth," perfectly, in the whole law. (See #81, #86)
12. Titus 3:5 - "NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS which we have done, but according to
his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost."
13. John 5:24 - In Christ we've "PASSED from death unto life." We don't have to "wait" to find out.
14. Rom. 9:31-32 - Israel, "Sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law." (#33, #54)
15. Acts 4:12 - No other name but Christ can save us-- not the name of works, nor our own name.
16. John 1:12-13 - Only God's power, through His Son, makes us a child of God. We are not born into
God's family by "Blood" (heritage, family ‘pedigree’), "Nor will of the flesh" (good works), "Nor will
of man." (minister, or man made religion), "But of God." (See #12, #53, #21, #17, #22, #46, #15)
17. Isa. 45:22 - No one else can save a soul from Hell but God; "There is none else."
18. Acts 13:39 - "And by him [Christ] all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye
COULD NOT BE JUSTIFIED by the law of Moses." (See #33, #54, #53, #5, #42, #64, #82, #87, #80)
19. Rom. 8:7 - We can't follow God's law even if we wanted to. So how can we save ourselves? (#86, #8)
20. Matthew 7:21-23 - Christ describes a future scene in which some who are trusting in their "Many
wonderful works," will, sadly, be told by Christ: "I never knew you: depart from me, Ye that work
iniquity." Their good works will not save them. We all have to trust Christ, and Him ALONE. (#46, #12)
21. John 10:1 - We must enter through Christ, "THE DOOR," not by "Some other way.." (See #46)
22. John 8:24 - A person can work all they want, but it won't save them. Jesus said the bottom line is
that, "If ye believe not that I am he [the only way], ye shall die in your sins." (See #53 and #69)
23. Rom. 4:2 - If Abraham could have saved himself, he'd have something to brag about. (See #25, #1)
24. Acts 10:1-43 - Cornelius' good works would put anyone today to shame, yet he still had to get saved
by trusting solely in Christ to save him. (See #6, #12, #1, #88)
25. Rom. 3:27-28 - "Where is boasting then?...Of WORKS? nay." (See #1 and #23)
26. 1 John 5:13 - If your salvation depends on a lifetime of good works, then why does the Bible teach
that you could "KNOW" for sure, before you die, that you are going to Heaven? The answer is because
salvation doesn't depend on you, but on Christ, who ALREADY paid the price for your sins. (See #87)
27. Heb. 1:3 - "He had BY HIMSELF purged our sins." He doesn't need help from us! (See #15)
28. Heb. 2:3 - If we have to work at earning it, why does the Bible call it "So great salvation"?
29. Heb. 2:9-10 - Christ is "The CAPTAIN of their salvation." He tasted "Death for every man."
30. Heb. 2:14-15 - Christ is the one who will "DELIVER" us from death, not ourselves! (See #53)
31. Heb. 2:17 - Christ makes "RECONCILIATION for the sins." We can't reconcile ourselves.
32. Heb. 5:9 - Christ is "The AUTHOR of eternal salvation," not us! It's not in our hands.



33. Gal. 2:16 - "Knowing that a man IS NOT JUSTIFIED BY THE WORKS of the law, but by the
faith of Jesus Christ, ....that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and NOT by the WORKS
of the law: FOR BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED."
34. Heb. 9:28 - "Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many." God won't accept good works.
35. Heb. 10:10-12 - Christ's body was offered "Once for all." So stop insulting God with your works.
36. Heb. 10:14 - "For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them." STOP WORKING at it!
37. Heb. 10:17-18 - "There is no more offering for sin." So stop offering your good works.
38. 2 Cor. 1:9 - "We should not trust in ourselves, but in God," who has ALREADY paid the price.
39. 2 Cor. 1:10 - Christ "Delivered us from so great a death." He had to; we can't deliver ourselves.
40. Eph. 1:12-13 - You are saved by trusting in Christ, and, "After that believed, ye were SEALED."
41. Jer. 17:5 - "Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm."
42. Job 25:4 - "How then can man be justified with God? or how can he be clean that is born of a
woman?" (For God's answer, see #86, #63, #54, #33, #82, #80, #73, #5 and Isaiah 1:18)
43. Isa. 12:2 - "Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust." Don't trust good works, trust the Saviour.
44. Luke 18:9-14 - Jesus gives a parable teaching that self righteousness WILL NOT save a person.
45. Ezek. 33:13 - "If he trust to his own righteousness..." He better be perfectly sinless or else!
46. John 14:6 - Jesus said, "I am THE WAY...no man cometh unto the Father, BUT BY ME."
47. 1 Tim. 2:5-6 - There's ONLY "One mediator between God and men," Jesus Christ, not ourselves.
48. Col. 2:14 - Christ took our sin debt, "Nailing it to his cross." It's ALREADY paid for! (See #34-37)
49. John 19:30 - While on the cross, Christ said, "It is finished." It's paid. We don't have to work for it.
50. Matt. 11:28-30 - Christ offers "REST" to all those working at trying to earn their way to Heaven.
51. Isa. 53:4-6 - Christ was, "WOUNDED FOR OUR transgressions." Why? So WE don't have to be.
52. Heb. 4:9-10 - The person who accepts Christ as Saviour, "Hath CEASED from his own works."
53. Gal. 2:21 - If you could earn Heaven, why did Christ die? "Then Christ is dead in vain." (See #86, #8)
54. Rom. 3:20 - "Therefore by the deeds of the law there SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED in his
sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin." (See #33, #14, #82, #80, #87, #42, #73)
55. Gal. 5:1-4 - "Christ hath made us free." He had to; we can't free ourselves, no matter how "good."
56. 2 Tim. 1:10 - "Our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death," with no help from us.
57. 1 John 4:14 - Christ was sent, "To be the Saviour of the world"; we couldn't save ourselves.
58. 1 Tim. 4:10 - "The Saviour of ALL men." Why try to save yourself? You already have a Saviour.
59. Acts 16:30-31 - When the Philippian jailer asked, "What must I do to be saved?" Paul didn't say,
keep the Ten Commandments, but rather, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved."
60. Luke 7:49-50 - Christ told the woman: "Thy faith hath saved thee," not thy works! (See #1)
61. Eph. 1:7 - "Redemption through HIS BLOOD, the forgiveness of sins," not through our works.
62. 1 Pet. 1:3-5 - "According to his abundant MERCY," not according to our good deeds. (See #12)
63. Rev. 1:5 - Christ, "Washed us from our sins in his own blood"; can't wash ourselves with works.
64. Titus 3:7 - We are "Justified by his grace," not by our good deeds, baptism, or church membership.
65. Titus 2:11 - "The grace of God that BRINGETH SALVATION hath appeared to ALL MEN."
66. Eph. 4:32 - We are forgiven, "For Christ's sake," not because of our good behavior. (See #88)
67. Eph. 2:4-5 - "(By grace ye are saved)," not by works. The two don't mix according to Rom. 11:6.
68. Acts 26:18 - "Through this man [Christ]...forgiveness of sins," not through our efforts!
69. Heb. 7:25 - Only Christ is "Able to save." Only He can "Make INTERCESSION for them."



70. Rom. 3:10 - "There is none righteous, no, not one." So how can anyone save themselves?
71. Rom. 3:12 - "There is none that doeth good, no, not one." So how can anyone save themselves?
72. Eccl. 7:20 - "There is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good." Can anyone save themselves?
73. Rom. 4:25 - Christ has already died for our sins. He, "Was delivered for our offences and raised
again FOR OUR JUSTIFICATION." So what role does a person play in their own salvation?
74. Rom. 5:10 - "We are reconciled to God by the death of his Son," not by the fruits of our works.
75. John 6:28-29 - "Then said they unto him, WHAT SHALL WE DO, that we might work the works
of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, THIS IS THE WORK OF GOD, THAT YE BELIEVE
ON HIM whom he hath sent." (See #59, #22, #10, #53)
76. 1 Pet. 3:18 - "Suffered for us...that HE might bring us to God." Do we have to help Him save us?
Didn't He suffer enough to pay the price? Heb. 7:25 says He did. He saves to "The uttermost."
77. Matt. 5:20 - Your self-righteousness would have to surpass that of the Pharisees-- Impossible! (#70)
78. 1 John 2:2 - Christ, "Is the propitiation [payment]...for the sins of the whole world." If He can
pay for the sins of the whole world, why would He need our help in saving us-- mere individuals?
79. Rom. 8:8 - "They that are in the flesh cannot please God." So what chance does anyone have?
80. Rom. 3:23-25 - Through Christ's death we are "Justified freely" (made right with God). His death
provides: "Redemption" (we are bought back to God), "Propitiation" (a settlement of our sin debt),
"Remission [forgiveness] of sins." It's all by God's "Grace" not our works. (See #1, #35, #36, #78)
81. James 2:10-11 - "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in ONE POINT, he is
guilty of all." We can't possibly save ourselves; God demands sinless perfection. We need a Saviour.
82. Romans 5:8-9 - We are "Justified by his blood," not our good works. That's why "When we were
sinners, Christ died for us." Therefore, "We shall be saved from wrath through him."
83. Matt. 18:11 - Jesus came "To save that which was lost [us]." Why? Because we can't save ourselves.
Otherwise, why send Christ to die for our sins if we could pay for them ourselves? (See #53, #8, #86, #76)
84. Acts 15:10-11 - "Through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved," not through
works. Grace is not works; works is not grace, as explained in Rom. 11:6 (see #90, #1, #53)
85. 2 Cor. 5:21 - "Christ was made sin for us...that we might be made the righteousness of God in
him." Why trust our own "righteousness" if God offers to impute us His righteousness? (Rom. 4:22-24)
86. Matt. 19:25-26 - "When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, WHO THEN
CAN BE SAVED? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, WITH MEN THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE;
but with God all things are possible." (See #8, #41, #42, #81, #11, #45, #70, #19)
87. Rom. 5:1 - "Therefore being JUSTIFIED BY FAITH, we have PEACE WITH GOD through our
Lord Jesus Christ." There can be no real peace when a person spends their life wondering if they have done
enough good works. Peace is knowing it's been paid for ALREADY. (See #52, #50, #26, #53)
88. 2 Tim. 1:9 - "Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR
WORKS, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the
world began." God had a "payment plan" ready before any of us were even alive to work!
89. Rom. 10:9-13 - "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus [i.e. Repent], and shalt
believe in thine heart [i.e. Trust] that God hath raised him from the dead, THOU SHALT BE SAVED
...For whosoever shall CALL upon the name of the Lord SHALL BE SAVED." (See #15)
90. Rom. 11:6 - "And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace."
91. Gal. 1:4, 92. Rom. 1:16, 93. Gal. 3:21, 94. Heb. 9:22, 95. 1 Tim. 2:6, 96. Acts 10:43,
97. Isa. 43:11, 98. Gal. 3:24, 99. Heb. 9:12-14, 100. 1 Tim. 1:15, 101. Heb. 6:1





IF you were to die today, are you 100% SURE
you would go to Heaven? The Bible says
YOU CAN BE SURE (1 John 5:13).
BUT FIRST, you must realize that what keeps you
from going to Heaven are your sins, because:
"...your iniquities [sins] have separated
between you and your God," Isaiah 59:2.
In fact, in God's eyes YOU ARE A SINNER: "For
all have sinned, and come short
of the glory of God;" Romans 3:23.

SECONDLY, you must realize that there is
NOTHING you can do to save yourself and earn
Heaven: "For by grace are ye saved through
faith; and that not of yourselves: it is
the gift of God: Not of works, lest any
man should boast." Eph. 2:8-9 Baptism, good
deeds, church membership, self-righteousness are
all examples of good works that cannot save you,
because: "Not by works of
righteousness which we have done, but
according to his mercy he [Christ] saved
us," Titus 3:5.

THE ONLY WAY you can get saved is through
Jesus Christ. He said: "I am the way, the
truth, and the life: no man cometh unto
the Father, but by me." (John 14:6) THAT'S
WHY: "...while we were yet sinners, Christ
died for us." (Rom. 5:8-9)

THEREFORE: You must REPENT (change your
mind); admit that you are a Hell deserving sinner
and can't save yourself. And call upon Christ, and
Him alone, to save you. "if thou shalt confess
with thy mouth the Lord Jesus [REPENT], and
shalt believe in thine heart [TRUST] that God
hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be
saved." Romans 10:9

The man hanging on the cross next to Jesus became a believer and was never baptized nor did anything for his new faith. Yet minutes later went to paradise with Jesus.

 

[Rustic]

“Works” for salvation? What a fucking moron... lol

It's in the Bible: By their deeds, you will know them.

“Works” have nothing to do with salvation... that is in the Bible
Ephesians 2:8
“For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God”

There are a number of verses in the Bible which, on their face, establish that justification is by faith alone and works are irrelevant . This are also a number of verses which say that we are judged by our works and that faith without works is dead. Some Christians believe in the former and others in the latter. That's just the way it is.

lol
“Works” Have absolutely nothing to do with salvation… If they did there would be no reason for the crucifixion of Christ.


1. Eph. 2:8-9 - "For BY GRACE are ye SAVED THROUGH FAITH; and that NOT OF
YOURSELVES: it is the GIFT of God: NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast."
2. Rom. 4:6-7 - God imputes "Righteousness without works." (See #9, #4, #45, #7, #12, #53)
3. Rom. 10:3 - It's a grave mistake for anyone to try to, "Establish their own righteousness."
4. Rom. 5:17 - Heaven deserving righteousness is a "GIFT," not something you earn.
5. Rom. 5:18 - Justification to God is a "FREE GIFT," not something you work toward.
6. Phil. 3:9 - Paul, as ‘good’ as he was, still wouldn't trust his "Own righteousness" to save him.
7. Rom. 3:22 - God's righteousness is credited to "ALL THEM THAT BELIEVE," not all that work.
8. Rom. 8:3-4 - The flesh is too "Weak" to save itself. We need a Saviour. We need Christ. (See #86)
9. Rom. 4:3 - Abraham's faith, not works, "Was counted unto him for righteousness."
10. Rom. 4:4-5 - Works are "Not reckoned of grace, but of debt." Faith is counted as righteousness.
11. Gal. 3:10 - To earn Heaven you'd have to "Continueth," perfectly, in the whole law. (See #81, #86)
12. Titus 3:5 - "NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS which we have done, but according to
his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost."
13. John 5:24 - In Christ we've "PASSED from death unto life." We don't have to "wait" to find out.
14. Rom. 9:31-32 - Israel, "Sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law." (#33, #54)
15. Acts 4:12 - No other name but Christ can save us-- not the name of works, nor our own name.
16. John 1:12-13 - Only God's power, through His Son, makes us a child of God. We are not born into
God's family by "Blood" (heritage, family ‘pedigree’), "Nor will of the flesh" (good works), "Nor will
of man." (minister, or man made religion), "But of God." (See #12, #53, #21, #17, #22, #46, #15)
17. Isa. 45:22 - No one else can save a soul from Hell but God; "There is none else."
18. Acts 13:39 - "And by him [Christ] all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye
COULD NOT BE JUSTIFIED by the law of Moses." (See #33, #54, #53, #5, #42, #64, #82, #87, #80)
19. Rom. 8:7 - We can't follow God's law even if we wanted to. So how can we save ourselves? (#86, #8)
20. Matthew 7:21-23 - Christ describes a future scene in which some who are trusting in their "Many
wonderful works," will, sadly, be told by Christ: "I never knew you: depart from me, Ye that work
iniquity." Their good works will not save them. We all have to trust Christ, and Him ALONE. (#46, #12)
21. John 10:1 - We must enter through Christ, "THE DOOR," not by "Some other way.." (See #46)
22. John 8:24 - A person can work all they want, but it won't save them. Jesus said the bottom line is
that, "If ye believe not that I am he [the only way], ye shall die in your sins." (See #53 and #69)
23. Rom. 4:2 - If Abraham could have saved himself, he'd have something to brag about. (See #25, #1)
24. Acts 10:1-43 - Cornelius' good works would put anyone today to shame, yet he still had to get saved
by trusting solely in Christ to save him. (See #6, #12, #1, #88)
25. Rom. 3:27-28 - "Where is boasting then?...Of WORKS? nay." (See #1 and #23)
26. 1 John 5:13 - If your salvation depends on a lifetime of good works, then why does the Bible teach
that you could "KNOW" for sure, before you die, that you are going to Heaven? The answer is because
salvation doesn't depend on you, but on Christ, who ALREADY paid the price for your sins. (See #87)
27. Heb. 1:3 - "He had BY HIMSELF purged our sins." He doesn't need help from us! (See #15)
28. Heb. 2:3 - If we have to work at earning it, why does the Bible call it "So great salvation"?
29. Heb. 2:9-10 - Christ is "The CAPTAIN of their salvation." He tasted "Death for every man."
30. Heb. 2:14-15 - Christ is the one who will "DELIVER" us from death, not ourselves! (See #53)
31. Heb. 2:17 - Christ makes "RECONCILIATION for the sins." We can't reconcile ourselves.
32. Heb. 5:9 - Christ is "The AUTHOR of eternal salvation," not us! It's not in our hands.



33. Gal. 2:16 - "Knowing that a man IS NOT JUSTIFIED BY THE WORKS of the law, but by the
faith of Jesus Christ, ....that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and NOT by the WORKS
of the law: FOR BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED."
34. Heb. 9:28 - "Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many." God won't accept good works.
35. Heb. 10:10-12 - Christ's body was offered "Once for all." So stop insulting God with your works.
36. Heb. 10:14 - "For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them." STOP WORKING at it!
37. Heb. 10:17-18 - "There is no more offering for sin." So stop offering your good works.
38. 2 Cor. 1:9 - "We should not trust in ourselves, but in God," who has ALREADY paid the price.
39. 2 Cor. 1:10 - Christ "Delivered us from so great a death." He had to; we can't deliver ourselves.
40. Eph. 1:12-13 - You are saved by trusting in Christ, and, "After that believed, ye were SEALED."
41. Jer. 17:5 - "Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm."
42. Job 25:4 - "How then can man be justified with God? or how can he be clean that is born of a
woman?" (For God's answer, see #86, #63, #54, #33, #82, #80, #73, #5 and Isaiah 1:18)
43. Isa. 12:2 - "Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust." Don't trust good works, trust the Saviour.
44. Luke 18:9-14 - Jesus gives a parable teaching that self righteousness WILL NOT save a person.
45. Ezek. 33:13 - "If he trust to his own righteousness..." He better be perfectly sinless or else!
46. John 14:6 - Jesus said, "I am THE WAY...no man cometh unto the Father, BUT BY ME."
47. 1 Tim. 2:5-6 - There's ONLY "One mediator between God and men," Jesus Christ, not ourselves.
48. Col. 2:14 - Christ took our sin debt, "Nailing it to his cross." It's ALREADY paid for! (See #34-37)
49. John 19:30 - While on the cross, Christ said, "It is finished." It's paid. We don't have to work for it.
50. Matt. 11:28-30 - Christ offers "REST" to all those working at trying to earn their way to Heaven.
51. Isa. 53:4-6 - Christ was, "WOUNDED FOR OUR transgressions." Why? So WE don't have to be.
52. Heb. 4:9-10 - The person who accepts Christ as Saviour, "Hath CEASED from his own works."
53. Gal. 2:21 - If you could earn Heaven, why did Christ die? "Then Christ is dead in vain." (See #86, #8)
54. Rom. 3:20 - "Therefore by the deeds of the law there SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED in his
sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin." (See #33, #14, #82, #80, #87, #42, #73)
55. Gal. 5:1-4 - "Christ hath made us free." He had to; we can't free ourselves, no matter how "good."
56. 2 Tim. 1:10 - "Our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death," with no help from us.
57. 1 John 4:14 - Christ was sent, "To be the Saviour of the world"; we couldn't save ourselves.
58. 1 Tim. 4:10 - "The Saviour of ALL men." Why try to save yourself? You already have a Saviour.
59. Acts 16:30-31 - When the Philippian jailer asked, "What must I do to be saved?" Paul didn't say,
keep the Ten Commandments, but rather, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved."
60. Luke 7:49-50 - Christ told the woman: "Thy faith hath saved thee," not thy works! (See #1)
61. Eph. 1:7 - "Redemption through HIS BLOOD, the forgiveness of sins," not through our works.
62. 1 Pet. 1:3-5 - "According to his abundant MERCY," not according to our good deeds. (See #12)
63. Rev. 1:5 - Christ, "Washed us from our sins in his own blood"; can't wash ourselves with works.
64. Titus 3:7 - We are "Justified by his grace," not by our good deeds, baptism, or church membership.
65. Titus 2:11 - "The grace of God that BRINGETH SALVATION hath appeared to ALL MEN."
66. Eph. 4:32 - We are forgiven, "For Christ's sake," not because of our good behavior. (See #88)
67. Eph. 2:4-5 - "(By grace ye are saved)," not by works. The two don't mix according to Rom. 11:6.
68. Acts 26:18 - "Through this man [Christ]...forgiveness of sins," not through our efforts!
69. Heb. 7:25 - Only Christ is "Able to save." Only He can "Make INTERCESSION for them."



70. Rom. 3:10 - "There is none righteous, no, not one." So how can anyone save themselves?
71. Rom. 3:12 - "There is none that doeth good, no, not one." So how can anyone save themselves?
72. Eccl. 7:20 - "There is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good." Can anyone save themselves?
73. Rom. 4:25 - Christ has already died for our sins. He, "Was delivered for our offences and raised
again FOR OUR JUSTIFICATION." So what role does a person play in their own salvation?
74. Rom. 5:10 - "We are reconciled to God by the death of his Son," not by the fruits of our works.
75. John 6:28-29 - "Then said they unto him, WHAT SHALL WE DO, that we might work the works
of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, THIS IS THE WORK OF GOD, THAT YE BELIEVE
ON HIM whom he hath sent." (See #59, #22, #10, #53)
76. 1 Pet. 3:18 - "Suffered for us...that HE might bring us to God." Do we have to help Him save us?
Didn't He suffer enough to pay the price? Heb. 7:25 says He did. He saves to "The uttermost."
77. Matt. 5:20 - Your self-righteousness would have to surpass that of the Pharisees-- Impossible! (#70)
78. 1 John 2:2 - Christ, "Is the propitiation [payment]...for the sins of the whole world." If He can
pay for the sins of the whole world, why would He need our help in saving us-- mere individuals?
79. Rom. 8:8 - "They that are in the flesh cannot please God." So what chance does anyone have?
80. Rom. 3:23-25 - Through Christ's death we are "Justified freely" (made right with God). His death
provides: "Redemption" (we are bought back to God), "Propitiation" (a settlement of our sin debt),
"Remission [forgiveness] of sins." It's all by God's "Grace" not our works. (See #1, #35, #36, #78)
81. James 2:10-11 - "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in ONE POINT, he is
guilty of all." We can't possibly save ourselves; God demands sinless perfection. We need a Saviour.
82. Romans 5:8-9 - We are "Justified by his blood," not our good works. That's why "When we were
sinners, Christ died for us." Therefore, "We shall be saved from wrath through him."
83. Matt. 18:11 - Jesus came "To save that which was lost [us]." Why? Because we can't save ourselves.
Otherwise, why send Christ to die for our sins if we could pay for them ourselves? (See #53, #8, #86, #76)
84. Acts 15:10-11 - "Through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved," not through
works. Grace is not works; works is not grace, as explained in Rom. 11:6 (see #90, #1, #53)
85. 2 Cor. 5:21 - "Christ was made sin for us...that we might be made the righteousness of God in
him." Why trust our own "righteousness" if God offers to impute us His righteousness? (Rom. 4:22-24)
86. Matt. 19:25-26 - "When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, WHO THEN
CAN BE SAVED? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, WITH MEN THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE;
but with God all things are possible." (See #8, #41, #42, #81, #11, #45, #70, #19)
87. Rom. 5:1 - "Therefore being JUSTIFIED BY FAITH, we have PEACE WITH GOD through our
Lord Jesus Christ." There can be no real peace when a person spends their life wondering if they have done
enough good works. Peace is knowing it's been paid for ALREADY. (See #52, #50, #26, #53)
88. 2 Tim. 1:9 - "Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR
WORKS, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the
world began." God had a "payment plan" ready before any of us were even alive to work!
89. Rom. 10:9-13 - "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus [i.e. Repent], and shalt
believe in thine heart [i.e. Trust] that God hath raised him from the dead, THOU SHALT BE SAVED
...For whosoever shall CALL upon the name of the Lord SHALL BE SAVED." (See #15)
90. Rom. 11:6 - "And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace."
91. Gal. 1:4, 92. Rom. 1:16, 93. Gal. 3:21, 94. Heb. 9:22, 95. 1 Tim. 2:6, 96. Acts 10:43,
97. Isa. 43:11, 98. Gal. 3:24, 99. Heb. 9:12-14, 100. 1 Tim. 1:15, 101. Heb. 6:1





IF you were to die today, are you 100% SURE
you would go to Heaven? The Bible says
YOU CAN BE SURE (1 John 5:13).
BUT FIRST, you must realize that what keeps you
from going to Heaven are your sins, because:
"...your iniquities [sins] have separated
between you and your God," Isaiah 59:2.
In fact, in God's eyes YOU ARE A SINNER: "For
all have sinned, and come short
of the glory of God;" Romans 3:23.

SECONDLY, you must realize that there is
NOTHING you can do to save yourself and earn
Heaven: "For by grace are ye saved through
faith; and that not of yourselves: it is
the gift of God: Not of works, lest any
man should boast." Eph. 2:8-9 Baptism, good
deeds, church membership, self-righteousness are
all examples of good works that cannot save you,
because: "Not by works of
righteousness which we have done, but
according to his mercy he [Christ] saved
us," Titus 3:5.

THE ONLY WAY you can get saved is through
Jesus Christ. He said: "I am the way, the
truth, and the life: no man cometh unto
the Father, but by me." (John 14:6) THAT'S
WHY: "...while we were yet sinners, Christ
died for us." (Rom. 5:8-9)

THEREFORE: You must REPENT (change your
mind); admit that you are a Hell deserving sinner
and can't save yourself. And call upon Christ, and
Him alone, to save you. "if thou shalt confess
with thy mouth the Lord Jesus [REPENT], and
shalt believe in thine heart [TRUST] that God
hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be
saved." Romans 10:9

I don't know why you hit me with all your Bible verses. In the post right before yours, I had already acknowledged that there are verses in the Bible which, taken by themselves, tend to prove the Justification By Faith Doctrine. Further, on July 30, 2013, I posted an article on the USMB in which I quoted verses which tended to prove the same thing (see post #15 at the following link):

what determines whether a person goes to heaven or not?

What you fail to realize is that there are other verses which, taken by themselves, prove that justification is by works, and that faith without works is dead (useless). I will only rehash three of my references.

First
James said that faith without works is dead, meaning useless. According to James, if all you have is bare faith, you have nothing

“And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?” (James 2:16-18, KJV).

According to James, merely believing that Christ is the son of God is meaningless if one does not show his faith by his works.

Second
Matthew makes it crystal clear that all of mankind will be judged by how they treated those in need; those who were kind to their needy fellowmen would inherit eternal life, but those who mistreated them would be condemned to eternal punishment, everlasting fire

“When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

“Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal” (Matthew 25: 31-46, KJV, highlights my own).

Third
The several times Christ was asked what one must do to be saved, His answer was the same: obey the Commandments. Obeying the Commandments is about one's conduct, one's works, and according to the Son of God, doing God's will is what gets you to Heaven.

CONCLUSION: The following is not debatable: There are verses in the Bible which a reasonable person could conclude proves that justification is by faith alone; however, there are other verses which might lead a reasonable person to conclude that works are required for salvation, and without works, there is no hope. That is why real Christians, sensible, rational people, disagree on this issue.

You asked what would be the purpose of Christ's crucifixion if works were necessary for salvation. It s not my desire to get into a prolonged theological debate with you, but I suggest that the crucifixion of Christ, according to the overwhelming consensus of Christian authorities, was for the forgiveness of sins. His death on the cross removed a barrier to eternal life but did not guarantee it. What one did after that determines one's fate.

There are those who suggest that belief in Christ is all one needs for salvation, but such belief must mean more than He is the Son of God and died on the cross to atone for the sins of mankind. It is literally impossible to believe in Christ unless one also believes each and every word He spoke. True belief in Christ means you believe everything about him and every word he said. Christ revealed what it takes to receive eternal life. Whether you believe him or not is your choice.

Now, you have the last word.

Sola scriptura - Wikipedia
Lol
There is no such thing as spiritual free will...
The crucifixion was the wrath of God, “works” mean less than nothing in Gods eyes. Romans 3:10-12
Yes, If the Bible is not taken as a whole it is meaningless
Unlike the catholic pedophile cult, no one can do anything to gain their way into “heaven” that includes buying admission with any sort of “works”.... Even the Ridiculousness of purgatory
Salvation is predetermined, Otherwise there would be no such thing as a sovereign God...

 

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“Works” for salvation? What a fucking moron... lol

It's in the Bible: By their deeds, you will know them.

“Works” have nothing to do with salvation... that is in the Bible
Ephesians 2:8
“For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God”

There are a number of verses in the Bible which, on their face, establish that justification is by faith alone and works are irrelevant . This are also a number of verses which say that we are judged by our works and that faith without works is dead. Some Christians believe in the former and others in the latter. That's just the way it is.

lol
“Works” Have absolutely nothing to do with salvation… If they did there would be no reason for the crucifixion of Christ.


1. Eph. 2:8-9 - "For BY GRACE are ye SAVED THROUGH FAITH; and that NOT OF
YOURSELVES: it is the GIFT of God: NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast."
2. Rom. 4:6-7 - God imputes "Righteousness without works." (See #9, #4, #45, #7, #12, #53)
3. Rom. 10:3 - It's a grave mistake for anyone to try to, "Establish their own righteousness."
4. Rom. 5:17 - Heaven deserving righteousness is a "GIFT," not something you earn.
5. Rom. 5:18 - Justification to God is a "FREE GIFT," not something you work toward.
6. Phil. 3:9 - Paul, as ‘good’ as he was, still wouldn't trust his "Own righteousness" to save him.
7. Rom. 3:22 - God's righteousness is credited to "ALL THEM THAT BELIEVE," not all that work.
8. Rom. 8:3-4 - The flesh is too "Weak" to save itself. We need a Saviour. We need Christ. (See #86)
9. Rom. 4:3 - Abraham's faith, not works, "Was counted unto him for righteousness."
10. Rom. 4:4-5 - Works are "Not reckoned of grace, but of debt." Faith is counted as righteousness.
11. Gal. 3:10 - To earn Heaven you'd have to "Continueth," perfectly, in the whole law. (See #81, #86)
12. Titus 3:5 - "NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS which we have done, but according to
his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost."
13. John 5:24 - In Christ we've "PASSED from death unto life." We don't have to "wait" to find out.
14. Rom. 9:31-32 - Israel, "Sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law." (#33, #54)
15. Acts 4:12 - No other name but Christ can save us-- not the name of works, nor our own name.
16. John 1:12-13 - Only God's power, through His Son, makes us a child of God. We are not born into
God's family by "Blood" (heritage, family ‘pedigree’), "Nor will of the flesh" (good works), "Nor will
of man." (minister, or man made religion), "But of God." (See #12, #53, #21, #17, #22, #46, #15)
17. Isa. 45:22 - No one else can save a soul from Hell but God; "There is none else."
18. Acts 13:39 - "And by him [Christ] all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye
COULD NOT BE JUSTIFIED by the law of Moses." (See #33, #54, #53, #5, #42, #64, #82, #87, #80)
19. Rom. 8:7 - We can't follow God's law even if we wanted to. So how can we save ourselves? (#86, #8)
20. Matthew 7:21-23 - Christ describes a future scene in which some who are trusting in their "Many
wonderful works," will, sadly, be told by Christ: "I never knew you: depart from me, Ye that work
iniquity." Their good works will not save them. We all have to trust Christ, and Him ALONE. (#46, #12)
21. John 10:1 - We must enter through Christ, "THE DOOR," not by "Some other way.." (See #46)
22. John 8:24 - A person can work all they want, but it won't save them. Jesus said the bottom line is
that, "If ye believe not that I am he [the only way], ye shall die in your sins." (See #53 and #69)
23. Rom. 4:2 - If Abraham could have saved himself, he'd have something to brag about. (See #25, #1)
24. Acts 10:1-43 - Cornelius' good works would put anyone today to shame, yet he still had to get saved
by trusting solely in Christ to save him. (See #6, #12, #1, #88)
25. Rom. 3:27-28 - "Where is boasting then?...Of WORKS? nay." (See #1 and #23)
26. 1 John 5:13 - If your salvation depends on a lifetime of good works, then why does the Bible teach
that you could "KNOW" for sure, before you die, that you are going to Heaven? The answer is because
salvation doesn't depend on you, but on Christ, who ALREADY paid the price for your sins. (See #87)
27. Heb. 1:3 - "He had BY HIMSELF purged our sins." He doesn't need help from us! (See #15)
28. Heb. 2:3 - If we have to work at earning it, why does the Bible call it "So great salvation"?
29. Heb. 2:9-10 - Christ is "The CAPTAIN of their salvation." He tasted "Death for every man."
30. Heb. 2:14-15 - Christ is the one who will "DELIVER" us from death, not ourselves! (See #53)
31. Heb. 2:17 - Christ makes "RECONCILIATION for the sins." We can't reconcile ourselves.
32. Heb. 5:9 - Christ is "The AUTHOR of eternal salvation," not us! It's not in our hands.



33. Gal. 2:16 - "Knowing that a man IS NOT JUSTIFIED BY THE WORKS of the law, but by the
faith of Jesus Christ, ....that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and NOT by the WORKS
of the law: FOR BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED."
34. Heb. 9:28 - "Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many." God won't accept good works.
35. Heb. 10:10-12 - Christ's body was offered "Once for all." So stop insulting God with your works.
36. Heb. 10:14 - "For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them." STOP WORKING at it!
37. Heb. 10:17-18 - "There is no more offering for sin." So stop offering your good works.
38. 2 Cor. 1:9 - "We should not trust in ourselves, but in God," who has ALREADY paid the price.
39. 2 Cor. 1:10 - Christ "Delivered us from so great a death." He had to; we can't deliver ourselves.
40. Eph. 1:12-13 - You are saved by trusting in Christ, and, "After that believed, ye were SEALED."
41. Jer. 17:5 - "Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm."
42. Job 25:4 - "How then can man be justified with God? or how can he be clean that is born of a
woman?" (For God's answer, see #86, #63, #54, #33, #82, #80, #73, #5 and Isaiah 1:18)
43. Isa. 12:2 - "Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust." Don't trust good works, trust the Saviour.
44. Luke 18:9-14 - Jesus gives a parable teaching that self righteousness WILL NOT save a person.
45. Ezek. 33:13 - "If he trust to his own righteousness..." He better be perfectly sinless or else!
46. John 14:6 - Jesus said, "I am THE WAY...no man cometh unto the Father, BUT BY ME."
47. 1 Tim. 2:5-6 - There's ONLY "One mediator between God and men," Jesus Christ, not ourselves.
48. Col. 2:14 - Christ took our sin debt, "Nailing it to his cross." It's ALREADY paid for! (See #34-37)
49. John 19:30 - While on the cross, Christ said, "It is finished." It's paid. We don't have to work for it.
50. Matt. 11:28-30 - Christ offers "REST" to all those working at trying to earn their way to Heaven.
51. Isa. 53:4-6 - Christ was, "WOUNDED FOR OUR transgressions." Why? So WE don't have to be.
52. Heb. 4:9-10 - The person who accepts Christ as Saviour, "Hath CEASED from his own works."
53. Gal. 2:21 - If you could earn Heaven, why did Christ die? "Then Christ is dead in vain." (See #86, #8)
54. Rom. 3:20 - "Therefore by the deeds of the law there SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED in his
sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin." (See #33, #14, #82, #80, #87, #42, #73)
55. Gal. 5:1-4 - "Christ hath made us free." He had to; we can't free ourselves, no matter how "good."
56. 2 Tim. 1:10 - "Our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death," with no help from us.
57. 1 John 4:14 - Christ was sent, "To be the Saviour of the world"; we couldn't save ourselves.
58. 1 Tim. 4:10 - "The Saviour of ALL men." Why try to save yourself? You already have a Saviour.
59. Acts 16:30-31 - When the Philippian jailer asked, "What must I do to be saved?" Paul didn't say,
keep the Ten Commandments, but rather, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved."
60. Luke 7:49-50 - Christ told the woman: "Thy faith hath saved thee," not thy works! (See #1)
61. Eph. 1:7 - "Redemption through HIS BLOOD, the forgiveness of sins," not through our works.
62. 1 Pet. 1:3-5 - "According to his abundant MERCY," not according to our good deeds. (See #12)
63. Rev. 1:5 - Christ, "Washed us from our sins in his own blood"; can't wash ourselves with works.
64. Titus 3:7 - We are "Justified by his grace," not by our good deeds, baptism, or church membership.
65. Titus 2:11 - "The grace of God that BRINGETH SALVATION hath appeared to ALL MEN."
66. Eph. 4:32 - We are forgiven, "For Christ's sake," not because of our good behavior. (See #88)
67. Eph. 2:4-5 - "(By grace ye are saved)," not by works. The two don't mix according to Rom. 11:6.
68. Acts 26:18 - "Through this man [Christ]...forgiveness of sins," not through our efforts!
69. Heb. 7:25 - Only Christ is "Able to save." Only He can "Make INTERCESSION for them."



70. Rom. 3:10 - "There is none righteous, no, not one." So how can anyone save themselves?
71. Rom. 3:12 - "There is none that doeth good, no, not one." So how can anyone save themselves?
72. Eccl. 7:20 - "There is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good." Can anyone save themselves?
73. Rom. 4:25 - Christ has already died for our sins. He, "Was delivered for our offences and raised
again FOR OUR JUSTIFICATION." So what role does a person play in their own salvation?
74. Rom. 5:10 - "We are reconciled to God by the death of his Son," not by the fruits of our works.
75. John 6:28-29 - "Then said they unto him, WHAT SHALL WE DO, that we might work the works
of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, THIS IS THE WORK OF GOD, THAT YE BELIEVE
ON HIM whom he hath sent." (See #59, #22, #10, #53)
76. 1 Pet. 3:18 - "Suffered for us...that HE might bring us to God." Do we have to help Him save us?
Didn't He suffer enough to pay the price? Heb. 7:25 says He did. He saves to "The uttermost."
77. Matt. 5:20 - Your self-righteousness would have to surpass that of the Pharisees-- Impossible! (#70)
78. 1 John 2:2 - Christ, "Is the propitiation [payment]...for the sins of the whole world." If He can
pay for the sins of the whole world, why would He need our help in saving us-- mere individuals?
79. Rom. 8:8 - "They that are in the flesh cannot please God." So what chance does anyone have?
80. Rom. 3:23-25 - Through Christ's death we are "Justified freely" (made right with God). His death
provides: "Redemption" (we are bought back to God), "Propitiation" (a settlement of our sin debt),
"Remission [forgiveness] of sins." It's all by God's "Grace" not our works. (See #1, #35, #36, #78)
81. James 2:10-11 - "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in ONE POINT, he is
guilty of all." We can't possibly save ourselves; God demands sinless perfection. We need a Saviour.
82. Romans 5:8-9 - We are "Justified by his blood," not our good works. That's why "When we were
sinners, Christ died for us." Therefore, "We shall be saved from wrath through him."
83. Matt. 18:11 - Jesus came "To save that which was lost [us]." Why? Because we can't save ourselves.
Otherwise, why send Christ to die for our sins if we could pay for them ourselves? (See #53, #8, #86, #76)
84. Acts 15:10-11 - "Through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved," not through
works. Grace is not works; works is not grace, as explained in Rom. 11:6 (see #90, #1, #53)
85. 2 Cor. 5:21 - "Christ was made sin for us...that we might be made the righteousness of God in
him." Why trust our own "righteousness" if God offers to impute us His righteousness? (Rom. 4:22-24)
86. Matt. 19:25-26 - "When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, WHO THEN
CAN BE SAVED? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, WITH MEN THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE;
but with God all things are possible." (See #8, #41, #42, #81, #11, #45, #70, #19)
87. Rom. 5:1 - "Therefore being JUSTIFIED BY FAITH, we have PEACE WITH GOD through our
Lord Jesus Christ." There can be no real peace when a person spends their life wondering if they have done
enough good works. Peace is knowing it's been paid for ALREADY. (See #52, #50, #26, #53)
88. 2 Tim. 1:9 - "Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR
WORKS, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the
world began." God had a "payment plan" ready before any of us were even alive to work!
89. Rom. 10:9-13 - "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus [i.e. Repent], and shalt
believe in thine heart [i.e. Trust] that God hath raised him from the dead, THOU SHALT BE SAVED
...For whosoever shall CALL upon the name of the Lord SHALL BE SAVED." (See #15)
90. Rom. 11:6 - "And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace."
91. Gal. 1:4, 92. Rom. 1:16, 93. Gal. 3:21, 94. Heb. 9:22, 95. 1 Tim. 2:6, 96. Acts 10:43,
97. Isa. 43:11, 98. Gal. 3:24, 99. Heb. 9:12-14, 100. 1 Tim. 1:15, 101. Heb. 6:1





IF you were to die today, are you 100% SURE
you would go to Heaven? The Bible says
YOU CAN BE SURE (1 John 5:13).
BUT FIRST, you must realize that what keeps you
from going to Heaven are your sins, because:
"...your iniquities [sins] have separated
between you and your God," Isaiah 59:2.
In fact, in God's eyes YOU ARE A SINNER: "For
all have sinned, and come short
of the glory of God;" Romans 3:23.

SECONDLY, you must realize that there is
NOTHING you can do to save yourself and earn
Heaven: "For by grace are ye saved through
faith; and that not of yourselves: it is
the gift of God: Not of works, lest any
man should boast." Eph. 2:8-9 Baptism, good
deeds, church membership, self-righteousness are
all examples of good works that cannot save you,
because: "Not by works of
righteousness which we have done, but
according to his mercy he [Christ] saved
us," Titus 3:5.

THE ONLY WAY you can get saved is through
Jesus Christ. He said: "I am the way, the
truth, and the life: no man cometh unto
the Father, but by me." (John 14:6) THAT'S
WHY: "...while we were yet sinners, Christ
died for us." (Rom. 5:8-9)

THEREFORE: You must REPENT (change your
mind); admit that you are a Hell deserving sinner
and can't save yourself. And call upon Christ, and
Him alone, to save you. "if thou shalt confess
with thy mouth the Lord Jesus [REPENT], and
shalt believe in thine heart [TRUST] that God
hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be
saved." Romans 10:9

The man hanging on the cross next to Jesus became a believer and was never baptized nor did anything for his new faith. Yet minutes later went to paradise with Jesus.

Yes, obviously predestined. Gods ways are not our ways.... THANK GOD!!!

 

[Pogo]

“Works” for salvation? What a fucking moron... lol

It's in the Bible: By their deeds, you will know them.

“Works” have nothing to do with salvation... that is in the Bible
Ephesians 2:8
“For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God”

There are a number of verses in the Bible which, on their face, establish that justification is by faith alone and works are irrelevant . This are also a number of verses which say that we are judged by our works and that faith without works is dead. Some Christians believe in the former and others in the latter. That's just the way it is.

lol
“Works” Have absolutely nothing to do with salvation… If they did there would be no reason for the crucifixion of Christ.


1. Eph. 2:8-9 - "For BY GRACE are ye SAVED THROUGH FAITH; and that NOT OF
YOURSELVES: it is the GIFT of God: NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast."
2. Rom. 4:6-7 - God imputes "Righteousness without works." (See #9, #4, #45, #7, #12, #53)
3. Rom. 10:3 - It's a grave mistake for anyone to try to, "Establish their own righteousness."
4. Rom. 5:17 - Heaven deserving righteousness is a "GIFT," not something you earn.
5. Rom. 5:18 - Justification to God is a "FREE GIFT," not something you work toward.
6. Phil. 3:9 - Paul, as ‘good’ as he was, still wouldn't trust his "Own righteousness" to save him.
7. Rom. 3:22 - God's righteousness is credited to "ALL THEM THAT BELIEVE," not all that work.
8. Rom. 8:3-4 - The flesh is too "Weak" to save itself. We need a Saviour. We need Christ. (See #86)
9. Rom. 4:3 - Abraham's faith, not works, "Was counted unto him for righteousness."
10. Rom. 4:4-5 - Works are "Not reckoned of grace, but of debt." Faith is counted as righteousness.
11. Gal. 3:10 - To earn Heaven you'd have to "Continueth," perfectly, in the whole law. (See #81, #86)
12. Titus 3:5 - "NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS which we have done, but according to
his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost."
13. John 5:24 - In Christ we've "PASSED from death unto life." We don't have to "wait" to find out.
14. Rom. 9:31-32 - Israel, "Sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law." (#33, #54)
15. Acts 4:12 - No other name but Christ can save us-- not the name of works, nor our own name.
16. John 1:12-13 - Only God's power, through His Son, makes us a child of God. We are not born into
God's family by "Blood" (heritage, family ‘pedigree’), "Nor will of the flesh" (good works), "Nor will
of man." (minister, or man made religion), "But of God." (See #12, #53, #21, #17, #22, #46, #15)
17. Isa. 45:22 - No one else can save a soul from Hell but God; "There is none else."
18. Acts 13:39 - "And by him [Christ] all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye
COULD NOT BE JUSTIFIED by the law of Moses." (See #33, #54, #53, #5, #42, #64, #82, #87, #80)
19. Rom. 8:7 - We can't follow God's law even if we wanted to. So how can we save ourselves? (#86, #8)
20. Matthew 7:21-23 - Christ describes a future scene in which some who are trusting in their "Many
wonderful works," will, sadly, be told by Christ: "I never knew you: depart from me, Ye that work
iniquity." Their good works will not save them. We all have to trust Christ, and Him ALONE. (#46, #12)
21. John 10:1 - We must enter through Christ, "THE DOOR," not by "Some other way.." (See #46)
22. John 8:24 - A person can work all they want, but it won't save them. Jesus said the bottom line is
that, "If ye believe not that I am he [the only way], ye shall die in your sins." (See #53 and #69)
23. Rom. 4:2 - If Abraham could have saved himself, he'd have something to brag about. (See #25, #1)
24. Acts 10:1-43 - Cornelius' good works would put anyone today to shame, yet he still had to get saved
by trusting solely in Christ to save him. (See #6, #12, #1, #88)
25. Rom. 3:27-28 - "Where is boasting then?...Of WORKS? nay." (See #1 and #23)
26. 1 John 5:13 - If your salvation depends on a lifetime of good works, then why does the Bible teach
that you could "KNOW" for sure, before you die, that you are going to Heaven? The answer is because
salvation doesn't depend on you, but on Christ, who ALREADY paid the price for your sins. (See #87)
27. Heb. 1:3 - "He had BY HIMSELF purged our sins." He doesn't need help from us! (See #15)
28. Heb. 2:3 - If we have to work at earning it, why does the Bible call it "So great salvation"?
29. Heb. 2:9-10 - Christ is "The CAPTAIN of their salvation." He tasted "Death for every man."
30. Heb. 2:14-15 - Christ is the one who will "DELIVER" us from death, not ourselves! (See #53)
31. Heb. 2:17 - Christ makes "RECONCILIATION for the sins." We can't reconcile ourselves.
32. Heb. 5:9 - Christ is "The AUTHOR of eternal salvation," not us! It's not in our hands.



33. Gal. 2:16 - "Knowing that a man IS NOT JUSTIFIED BY THE WORKS of the law, but by the
faith of Jesus Christ, ....that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and NOT by the WORKS
of the law: FOR BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED."
34. Heb. 9:28 - "Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many." God won't accept good works.
35. Heb. 10:10-12 - Christ's body was offered "Once for all." So stop insulting God with your works.
36. Heb. 10:14 - "For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them." STOP WORKING at it!
37. Heb. 10:17-18 - "There is no more offering for sin." So stop offering your good works.
38. 2 Cor. 1:9 - "We should not trust in ourselves, but in God," who has ALREADY paid the price.
39. 2 Cor. 1:10 - Christ "Delivered us from so great a death." He had to; we can't deliver ourselves.
40. Eph. 1:12-13 - You are saved by trusting in Christ, and, "After that believed, ye were SEALED."
41. Jer. 17:5 - "Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm."
42. Job 25:4 - "How then can man be justified with God? or how can he be clean that is born of a
woman?" (For God's answer, see #86, #63, #54, #33, #82, #80, #73, #5 and Isaiah 1:18)
43. Isa. 12:2 - "Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust." Don't trust good works, trust the Saviour.
44. Luke 18:9-14 - Jesus gives a parable teaching that self righteousness WILL NOT save a person.
45. Ezek. 33:13 - "If he trust to his own righteousness..." He better be perfectly sinless or else!
46. John 14:6 - Jesus said, "I am THE WAY...no man cometh unto the Father, BUT BY ME."
47. 1 Tim. 2:5-6 - There's ONLY "One mediator between God and men," Jesus Christ, not ourselves.
48. Col. 2:14 - Christ took our sin debt, "Nailing it to his cross." It's ALREADY paid for! (See #34-37)
49. John 19:30 - While on the cross, Christ said, "It is finished." It's paid. We don't have to work for it.
50. Matt. 11:28-30 - Christ offers "REST" to all those working at trying to earn their way to Heaven.
51. Isa. 53:4-6 - Christ was, "WOUNDED FOR OUR transgressions." Why? So WE don't have to be.
52. Heb. 4:9-10 - The person who accepts Christ as Saviour, "Hath CEASED from his own works."
53. Gal. 2:21 - If you could earn Heaven, why did Christ die? "Then Christ is dead in vain." (See #86, #8)
54. Rom. 3:20 - "Therefore by the deeds of the law there SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED in his
sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin." (See #33, #14, #82, #80, #87, #42, #73)
55. Gal. 5:1-4 - "Christ hath made us free." He had to; we can't free ourselves, no matter how "good."
56. 2 Tim. 1:10 - "Our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death," with no help from us.
57. 1 John 4:14 - Christ was sent, "To be the Saviour of the world"; we couldn't save ourselves.
58. 1 Tim. 4:10 - "The Saviour of ALL men." Why try to save yourself? You already have a Saviour.
59. Acts 16:30-31 - When the Philippian jailer asked, "What must I do to be saved?" Paul didn't say,
keep the Ten Commandments, but rather, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved."
60. Luke 7:49-50 - Christ told the woman: "Thy faith hath saved thee," not thy works! (See #1)
61. Eph. 1:7 - "Redemption through HIS BLOOD, the forgiveness of sins," not through our works.
62. 1 Pet. 1:3-5 - "According to his abundant MERCY," not according to our good deeds. (See #12)
63. Rev. 1:5 - Christ, "Washed us from our sins in his own blood"; can't wash ourselves with works.
64. Titus 3:7 - We are "Justified by his grace," not by our good deeds, baptism, or church membership.
65. Titus 2:11 - "The grace of God that BRINGETH SALVATION hath appeared to ALL MEN."
66. Eph. 4:32 - We are forgiven, "For Christ's sake," not because of our good behavior. (See #88)
67. Eph. 2:4-5 - "(By grace ye are saved)," not by works. The two don't mix according to Rom. 11:6.
68. Acts 26:18 - "Through this man [Christ]...forgiveness of sins," not through our efforts!
69. Heb. 7:25 - Only Christ is "Able to save." Only He can "Make INTERCESSION for them."



70. Rom. 3:10 - "There is none righteous, no, not one." So how can anyone save themselves?
71. Rom. 3:12 - "There is none that doeth good, no, not one." So how can anyone save themselves?
72. Eccl. 7:20 - "There is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good." Can anyone save themselves?
73. Rom. 4:25 - Christ has already died for our sins. He, "Was delivered for our offences and raised
again FOR OUR JUSTIFICATION." So what role does a person play in their own salvation?
74. Rom. 5:10 - "We are reconciled to God by the death of his Son," not by the fruits of our works.
75. John 6:28-29 - "Then said they unto him, WHAT SHALL WE DO, that we might work the works
of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, THIS IS THE WORK OF GOD, THAT YE BELIEVE
ON HIM whom he hath sent." (See #59, #22, #10, #53)
76. 1 Pet. 3:18 - "Suffered for us...that HE might bring us to God." Do we have to help Him save us?
Didn't He suffer enough to pay the price? Heb. 7:25 says He did. He saves to "The uttermost."
77. Matt. 5:20 - Your self-righteousness would have to surpass that of the Pharisees-- Impossible! (#70)
78. 1 John 2:2 - Christ, "Is the propitiation [payment]...for the sins of the whole world." If He can
pay for the sins of the whole world, why would He need our help in saving us-- mere individuals?
79. Rom. 8:8 - "They that are in the flesh cannot please God." So what chance does anyone have?
80. Rom. 3:23-25 - Through Christ's death we are "Justified freely" (made right with God). His death
provides: "Redemption" (we are bought back to God), "Propitiation" (a settlement of our sin debt),
"Remission [forgiveness] of sins." It's all by God's "Grace" not our works. (See #1, #35, #36, #78)
81. James 2:10-11 - "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in ONE POINT, he is
guilty of all." We can't possibly save ourselves; God demands sinless perfection. We need a Saviour.
82. Romans 5:8-9 - We are "Justified by his blood," not our good works. That's why "When we were
sinners, Christ died for us." Therefore, "We shall be saved from wrath through him."
83. Matt. 18:11 - Jesus came "To save that which was lost [us]." Why? Because we can't save ourselves.
Otherwise, why send Christ to die for our sins if we could pay for them ourselves? (See #53, #8, #86, #76)
84. Acts 15:10-11 - "Through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved," not through
works. Grace is not works; works is not grace, as explained in Rom. 11:6 (see #90, #1, #53)
85. 2 Cor. 5:21 - "Christ was made sin for us...that we might be made the righteousness of God in
him." Why trust our own "righteousness" if God offers to impute us His righteousness? (Rom. 4:22-24)
86. Matt. 19:25-26 - "When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, WHO THEN
CAN BE SAVED? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, WITH MEN THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE;
but with God all things are possible." (See #8, #41, #42, #81, #11, #45, #70, #19)
87. Rom. 5:1 - "Therefore being JUSTIFIED BY FAITH, we have PEACE WITH GOD through our
Lord Jesus Christ." There can be no real peace when a person spends their life wondering if they have done
enough good works. Peace is knowing it's been paid for ALREADY. (See #52, #50, #26, #53)
88. 2 Tim. 1:9 - "Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR
WORKS, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the
world began." God had a "payment plan" ready before any of us were even alive to work!
89. Rom. 10:9-13 - "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus [i.e. Repent], and shalt
believe in thine heart [i.e. Trust] that God hath raised him from the dead, THOU SHALT BE SAVED
...For whosoever shall CALL upon the name of the Lord SHALL BE SAVED." (See #15)
90. Rom. 11:6 - "And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace."
91. Gal. 1:4, 92. Rom. 1:16, 93. Gal. 3:21, 94. Heb. 9:22, 95. 1 Tim. 2:6, 96. Acts 10:43,
97. Isa. 43:11, 98. Gal. 3:24, 99. Heb. 9:12-14, 100. 1 Tim. 1:15, 101. Heb. 6:1





IF you were to die today, are you 100% SURE
you would go to Heaven? The Bible says
YOU CAN BE SURE (1 John 5:13).
BUT FIRST, you must realize that what keeps you
from going to Heaven are your sins, because:
"...your iniquities [sins] have separated
between you and your God," Isaiah 59:2.
In fact, in God's eyes YOU ARE A SINNER: "For
all have sinned, and come short
of the glory of God;" Romans 3:23.

SECONDLY, you must realize that there is
NOTHING you can do to save yourself and earn
Heaven: "For by grace are ye saved through
faith; and that not of yourselves: it is
the gift of God: Not of works, lest any
man should boast." Eph. 2:8-9 Baptism, good
deeds, church membership, self-righteousness are
all examples of good works that cannot save you,
because: "Not by works of
righteousness which we have done, but
according to his mercy he [Christ] saved
us," Titus 3:5.

THE ONLY WAY you can get saved is through
Jesus Christ. He said: "I am the way, the
truth, and the life: no man cometh unto
the Father, but by me." (John 14:6) THAT'S
WHY: "...while we were yet sinners, Christ
died for us." (Rom. 5:8-9)

THEREFORE: You must REPENT (change your
mind); admit that you are a Hell deserving sinner
and can't save yourself. And call upon Christ, and
Him alone, to save you. "if thou shalt confess
with thy mouth the Lord Jesus [REPENT], and
shalt believe in thine heart [TRUST] that God
hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be
saved." Romans 10:9

The man hanging on the cross next to Jesus became a believer and was never baptized nor did anything for his new faith. Yet minutes later went to paradise with Jesus.

This is gonna be an all time classic. Here we go .............


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[Dragonlady]

It's in the Bible: By their deeds, you will know them.

“Works” have nothing to do with salvation... that is in the Bible
Ephesians 2:8
“For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God”

There are a number of verses in the Bible which, on their face, establish that justification is by faith alone and works are irrelevant . This are also a number of verses which say that we are judged by our works and that faith without works is dead. Some Christians believe in the former and others in the latter. That's just the way it is.

lol
“Works” Have absolutely nothing to do with salvation… If they did there would be no reason for the crucifixion of Christ.


1. Eph. 2:8-9 - "For BY GRACE are ye SAVED THROUGH FAITH; and that NOT OF
YOURSELVES: it is the GIFT of God: NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast."
2. Rom. 4:6-7 - God imputes "Righteousness without works." (See #9, #4, #45, #7, #12, #53)
3. Rom. 10:3 - It's a grave mistake for anyone to try to, "Establish their own righteousness."
4. Rom. 5:17 - Heaven deserving righteousness is a "GIFT," not something you earn.
5. Rom. 5:18 - Justification to God is a "FREE GIFT," not something you work toward.
6. Phil. 3:9 - Paul, as ‘good’ as he was, still wouldn't trust his "Own righteousness" to save him.
7. Rom. 3:22 - God's righteousness is credited to "ALL THEM THAT BELIEVE," not all that work.
8. Rom. 8:3-4 - The flesh is too "Weak" to save itself. We need a Saviour. We need Christ. (See #86)
9. Rom. 4:3 - Abraham's faith, not works, "Was counted unto him for righteousness."
10. Rom. 4:4-5 - Works are "Not reckoned of grace, but of debt." Faith is counted as righteousness.
11. Gal. 3:10 - To earn Heaven you'd have to "Continueth," perfectly, in the whole law. (See #81, #86)
12. Titus 3:5 - "NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS which we have done, but according to
his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost."
13. John 5:24 - In Christ we've "PASSED from death unto life." We don't have to "wait" to find out.
14. Rom. 9:31-32 - Israel, "Sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law." (#33, #54)
15. Acts 4:12 - No other name but Christ can save us-- not the name of works, nor our own name.
16. John 1:12-13 - Only God's power, through His Son, makes us a child of God. We are not born into
God's family by "Blood" (heritage, family ‘pedigree’), "Nor will of the flesh" (good works), "Nor will
of man." (minister, or man made religion), "But of God." (See #12, #53, #21, #17, #22, #46, #15)
17. Isa. 45:22 - No one else can save a soul from Hell but God; "There is none else."
18. Acts 13:39 - "And by him [Christ] all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye
COULD NOT BE JUSTIFIED by the law of Moses." (See #33, #54, #53, #5, #42, #64, #82, #87, #80)
19. Rom. 8:7 - We can't follow God's law even if we wanted to. So how can we save ourselves? (#86, #8)
20. Matthew 7:21-23 - Christ describes a future scene in which some who are trusting in their "Many
wonderful works," will, sadly, be told by Christ: "I never knew you: depart from me, Ye that work
iniquity." Their good works will not save them. We all have to trust Christ, and Him ALONE. (#46, #12)
21. John 10:1 - We must enter through Christ, "THE DOOR," not by "Some other way.." (See #46)
22. John 8:24 - A person can work all they want, but it won't save them. Jesus said the bottom line is
that, "If ye believe not that I am he [the only way], ye shall die in your sins." (See #53 and #69)
23. Rom. 4:2 - If Abraham could have saved himself, he'd have something to brag about. (See #25, #1)
24. Acts 10:1-43 - Cornelius' good works would put anyone today to shame, yet he still had to get saved
by trusting solely in Christ to save him. (See #6, #12, #1, #88)
25. Rom. 3:27-28 - "Where is boasting then?...Of WORKS? nay." (See #1 and #23)
26. 1 John 5:13 - If your salvation depends on a lifetime of good works, then why does the Bible teach
that you could "KNOW" for sure, before you die, that you are going to Heaven? The answer is because
salvation doesn't depend on you, but on Christ, who ALREADY paid the price for your sins. (See #87)
27. Heb. 1:3 - "He had BY HIMSELF purged our sins." He doesn't need help from us! (See #15)
28. Heb. 2:3 - If we have to work at earning it, why does the Bible call it "So great salvation"?
29. Heb. 2:9-10 - Christ is "The CAPTAIN of their salvation." He tasted "Death for every man."
30. Heb. 2:14-15 - Christ is the one who will "DELIVER" us from death, not ourselves! (See #53)
31. Heb. 2:17 - Christ makes "RECONCILIATION for the sins." We can't reconcile ourselves.
32. Heb. 5:9 - Christ is "The AUTHOR of eternal salvation," not us! It's not in our hands.



33. Gal. 2:16 - "Knowing that a man IS NOT JUSTIFIED BY THE WORKS of the law, but by the
faith of Jesus Christ, ....that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and NOT by the WORKS
of the law: FOR BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED."
34. Heb. 9:28 - "Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many." God won't accept good works.
35. Heb. 10:10-12 - Christ's body was offered "Once for all." So stop insulting God with your works.
36. Heb. 10:14 - "For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them." STOP WORKING at it!
37. Heb. 10:17-18 - "There is no more offering for sin." So stop offering your good works.
38. 2 Cor. 1:9 - "We should not trust in ourselves, but in God," who has ALREADY paid the price.
39. 2 Cor. 1:10 - Christ "Delivered us from so great a death." He had to; we can't deliver ourselves.
40. Eph. 1:12-13 - You are saved by trusting in Christ, and, "After that believed, ye were SEALED."
41. Jer. 17:5 - "Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm."
42. Job 25:4 - "How then can man be justified with God? or how can he be clean that is born of a
woman?" (For God's answer, see #86, #63, #54, #33, #82, #80, #73, #5 and Isaiah 1:18)
43. Isa. 12:2 - "Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust." Don't trust good works, trust the Saviour.
44. Luke 18:9-14 - Jesus gives a parable teaching that self righteousness WILL NOT save a person.
45. Ezek. 33:13 - "If he trust to his own righteousness..." He better be perfectly sinless or else!
46. John 14:6 - Jesus said, "I am THE WAY...no man cometh unto the Father, BUT BY ME."
47. 1 Tim. 2:5-6 - There's ONLY "One mediator between God and men," Jesus Christ, not ourselves.
48. Col. 2:14 - Christ took our sin debt, "Nailing it to his cross." It's ALREADY paid for! (See #34-37)
49. John 19:30 - While on the cross, Christ said, "It is finished." It's paid. We don't have to work for it.
50. Matt. 11:28-30 - Christ offers "REST" to all those working at trying to earn their way to Heaven.
51. Isa. 53:4-6 - Christ was, "WOUNDED FOR OUR transgressions." Why? So WE don't have to be.
52. Heb. 4:9-10 - The person who accepts Christ as Saviour, "Hath CEASED from his own works."
53. Gal. 2:21 - If you could earn Heaven, why did Christ die? "Then Christ is dead in vain." (See #86, #8)
54. Rom. 3:20 - "Therefore by the deeds of the law there SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED in his
sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin." (See #33, #14, #82, #80, #87, #42, #73)
55. Gal. 5:1-4 - "Christ hath made us free." He had to; we can't free ourselves, no matter how "good."
56. 2 Tim. 1:10 - "Our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death," with no help from us.
57. 1 John 4:14 - Christ was sent, "To be the Saviour of the world"; we couldn't save ourselves.
58. 1 Tim. 4:10 - "The Saviour of ALL men." Why try to save yourself? You already have a Saviour.
59. Acts 16:30-31 - When the Philippian jailer asked, "What must I do to be saved?" Paul didn't say,
keep the Ten Commandments, but rather, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved."
60. Luke 7:49-50 - Christ told the woman: "Thy faith hath saved thee," not thy works! (See #1)
61. Eph. 1:7 - "Redemption through HIS BLOOD, the forgiveness of sins," not through our works.
62. 1 Pet. 1:3-5 - "According to his abundant MERCY," not according to our good deeds. (See #12)
63. Rev. 1:5 - Christ, "Washed us from our sins in his own blood"; can't wash ourselves with works.
64. Titus 3:7 - We are "Justified by his grace," not by our good deeds, baptism, or church membership.
65. Titus 2:11 - "The grace of God that BRINGETH SALVATION hath appeared to ALL MEN."
66. Eph. 4:32 - We are forgiven, "For Christ's sake," not because of our good behavior. (See #88)
67. Eph. 2:4-5 - "(By grace ye are saved)," not by works. The two don't mix according to Rom. 11:6.
68. Acts 26:18 - "Through this man [Christ]...forgiveness of sins," not through our efforts!
69. Heb. 7:25 - Only Christ is "Able to save." Only He can "Make INTERCESSION for them."



70. Rom. 3:10 - "There is none righteous, no, not one." So how can anyone save themselves?
71. Rom. 3:12 - "There is none that doeth good, no, not one." So how can anyone save themselves?
72. Eccl. 7:20 - "There is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good." Can anyone save themselves?
73. Rom. 4:25 - Christ has already died for our sins. He, "Was delivered for our offences and raised
again FOR OUR JUSTIFICATION." So what role does a person play in their own salvation?
74. Rom. 5:10 - "We are reconciled to God by the death of his Son," not by the fruits of our works.
75. John 6:28-29 - "Then said they unto him, WHAT SHALL WE DO, that we might work the works
of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, THIS IS THE WORK OF GOD, THAT YE BELIEVE
ON HIM whom he hath sent." (See #59, #22, #10, #53)
76. 1 Pet. 3:18 - "Suffered for us...that HE might bring us to God." Do we have to help Him save us?
Didn't He suffer enough to pay the price? Heb. 7:25 says He did. He saves to "The uttermost."
77. Matt. 5:20 - Your self-righteousness would have to surpass that of the Pharisees-- Impossible! (#70)
78. 1 John 2:2 - Christ, "Is the propitiation [payment]...for the sins of the whole world." If He can
pay for the sins of the whole world, why would He need our help in saving us-- mere individuals?
79. Rom. 8:8 - "They that are in the flesh cannot please God." So what chance does anyone have?
80. Rom. 3:23-25 - Through Christ's death we are "Justified freely" (made right with God). His death
provides: "Redemption" (we are bought back to God), "Propitiation" (a settlement of our sin debt),
"Remission [forgiveness] of sins." It's all by God's "Grace" not our works. (See #1, #35, #36, #78)
81. James 2:10-11 - "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in ONE POINT, he is
guilty of all." We can't possibly save ourselves; God demands sinless perfection. We need a Saviour.
82. Romans 5:8-9 - We are "Justified by his blood," not our good works. That's why "When we were
sinners, Christ died for us." Therefore, "We shall be saved from wrath through him."
83. Matt. 18:11 - Jesus came "To save that which was lost [us]." Why? Because we can't save ourselves.
Otherwise, why send Christ to die for our sins if we could pay for them ourselves? (See #53, #8, #86, #76)
84. Acts 15:10-11 - "Through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved," not through
works. Grace is not works; works is not grace, as explained in Rom. 11:6 (see #90, #1, #53)
85. 2 Cor. 5:21 - "Christ was made sin for us...that we might be made the righteousness of God in
him." Why trust our own "righteousness" if God offers to impute us His righteousness? (Rom. 4:22-24)
86. Matt. 19:25-26 - "When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, WHO THEN
CAN BE SAVED? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, WITH MEN THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE;
but with God all things are possible." (See #8, #41, #42, #81, #11, #45, #70, #19)
87. Rom. 5:1 - "Therefore being JUSTIFIED BY FAITH, we have PEACE WITH GOD through our
Lord Jesus Christ." There can be no real peace when a person spends their life wondering if they have done
enough good works. Peace is knowing it's been paid for ALREADY. (See #52, #50, #26, #53)
88. 2 Tim. 1:9 - "Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR
WORKS, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the
world began." God had a "payment plan" ready before any of us were even alive to work!
89. Rom. 10:9-13 - "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus [i.e. Repent], and shalt
believe in thine heart [i.e. Trust] that God hath raised him from the dead, THOU SHALT BE SAVED
...For whosoever shall CALL upon the name of the Lord SHALL BE SAVED." (See #15)
90. Rom. 11:6 - "And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace."
91. Gal. 1:4, 92. Rom. 1:16, 93. Gal. 3:21, 94. Heb. 9:22, 95. 1 Tim. 2:6, 96. Acts 10:43,
97. Isa. 43:11, 98. Gal. 3:24, 99. Heb. 9:12-14, 100. 1 Tim. 1:15, 101. Heb. 6:1





IF you were to die today, are you 100% SURE
you would go to Heaven? The Bible says
YOU CAN BE SURE (1 John 5:13).
BUT FIRST, you must realize that what keeps you
from going to Heaven are your sins, because:
"...your iniquities [sins] have separated
between you and your God," Isaiah 59:2.
In fact, in God's eyes YOU ARE A SINNER: "For
all have sinned, and come short
of the glory of God;" Romans 3:23.

SECONDLY, you must realize that there is
NOTHING you can do to save yourself and earn
Heaven: "For by grace are ye saved through
faith; and that not of yourselves: it is
the gift of God: Not of works, lest any
man should boast." Eph. 2:8-9 Baptism, good
deeds, church membership, self-righteousness are
all examples of good works that cannot save you,
because: "Not by works of
righteousness which we have done, but
according to his mercy he [Christ] saved
us," Titus 3:5.

THE ONLY WAY you can get saved is through
Jesus Christ. He said: "I am the way, the
truth, and the life: no man cometh unto
the Father, but by me." (John 14:6) THAT'S
WHY: "...while we were yet sinners, Christ
died for us." (Rom. 5:8-9)

THEREFORE: You must REPENT (change your
mind); admit that you are a Hell deserving sinner
and can't save yourself. And call upon Christ, and
Him alone, to save you. "if thou shalt confess
with thy mouth the Lord Jesus [REPENT], and
shalt believe in thine heart [TRUST] that God
hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be
saved." Romans 10:9

The man hanging on the cross next to Jesus became a believer and was never baptized nor did anything for his new faith. Yet minutes later went to paradise with Jesus.

This is gonna be an all time classic. Here we go .............


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I discount any of Paul's letters to anyone. Paul was not an Apostle, he never met Jesus, and Paul's words are not the words of Jesus.

"Faith without deeds is dead" were Jesus' words, not Paul's.

Bible Gateway passage: James 2:14-26 - New King James Version

 

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It's in the Bible: By their deeds, you will know them.

“Works” have nothing to do with salvation... that is in the Bible
Ephesians 2:8
“For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God”

There are a number of verses in the Bible which, on their face, establish that justification is by faith alone and works are irrelevant . This are also a number of verses which say that we are judged by our works and that faith without works is dead. Some Christians believe in the former and others in the latter. That's just the way it is.

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“Works” Have absolutely nothing to do with salvation… If they did there would be no reason for the crucifixion of Christ.


1. Eph. 2:8-9 - "For BY GRACE are ye SAVED THROUGH FAITH; and that NOT OF
YOURSELVES: it is the GIFT of God: NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast."
2. Rom. 4:6-7 - God imputes "Righteousness without works." (See #9, #4, #45, #7, #12, #53)
3. Rom. 10:3 - It's a grave mistake for anyone to try to, "Establish their own righteousness."
4. Rom. 5:17 - Heaven deserving righteousness is a "GIFT," not something you earn.
5. Rom. 5:18 - Justification to God is a "FREE GIFT," not something you work toward.
6. Phil. 3:9 - Paul, as ‘good’ as he was, still wouldn't trust his "Own righteousness" to save him.
7. Rom. 3:22 - God's righteousness is credited to "ALL THEM THAT BELIEVE," not all that work.
8. Rom. 8:3-4 - The flesh is too "Weak" to save itself. We need a Saviour. We need Christ. (See #86)
9. Rom. 4:3 - Abraham's faith, not works, "Was counted unto him for righteousness."
10. Rom. 4:4-5 - Works are "Not reckoned of grace, but of debt." Faith is counted as righteousness.
11. Gal. 3:10 - To earn Heaven you'd have to "Continueth," perfectly, in the whole law. (See #81, #86)
12. Titus 3:5 - "NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS which we have done, but according to
his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost."
13. John 5:24 - In Christ we've "PASSED from death unto life." We don't have to "wait" to find out.
14. Rom. 9:31-32 - Israel, "Sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law." (#33, #54)
15. Acts 4:12 - No other name but Christ can save us-- not the name of works, nor our own name.
16. John 1:12-13 - Only God's power, through His Son, makes us a child of God. We are not born into
God's family by "Blood" (heritage, family ‘pedigree’), "Nor will of the flesh" (good works), "Nor will
of man." (minister, or man made religion), "But of God." (See #12, #53, #21, #17, #22, #46, #15)
17. Isa. 45:22 - No one else can save a soul from Hell but God; "There is none else."
18. Acts 13:39 - "And by him [Christ] all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye
COULD NOT BE JUSTIFIED by the law of Moses." (See #33, #54, #53, #5, #42, #64, #82, #87, #80)
19. Rom. 8:7 - We can't follow God's law even if we wanted to. So how can we save ourselves? (#86, #8)
20. Matthew 7:21-23 - Christ describes a future scene in which some who are trusting in their "Many
wonderful works," will, sadly, be told by Christ: "I never knew you: depart from me, Ye that work
iniquity." Their good works will not save them. We all have to trust Christ, and Him ALONE. (#46, #12)
21. John 10:1 - We must enter through Christ, "THE DOOR," not by "Some other way.." (See #46)
22. John 8:24 - A person can work all they want, but it won't save them. Jesus said the bottom line is
that, "If ye believe not that I am he [the only way], ye shall die in your sins." (See #53 and #69)
23. Rom. 4:2 - If Abraham could have saved himself, he'd have something to brag about. (See #25, #1)
24. Acts 10:1-43 - Cornelius' good works would put anyone today to shame, yet he still had to get saved
by trusting solely in Christ to save him. (See #6, #12, #1, #88)
25. Rom. 3:27-28 - "Where is boasting then?...Of WORKS? nay." (See #1 and #23)
26. 1 John 5:13 - If your salvation depends on a lifetime of good works, then why does the Bible teach
that you could "KNOW" for sure, before you die, that you are going to Heaven? The answer is because
salvation doesn't depend on you, but on Christ, who ALREADY paid the price for your sins. (See #87)
27. Heb. 1:3 - "He had BY HIMSELF purged our sins." He doesn't need help from us! (See #15)
28. Heb. 2:3 - If we have to work at earning it, why does the Bible call it "So great salvation"?
29. Heb. 2:9-10 - Christ is "The CAPTAIN of their salvation." He tasted "Death for every man."
30. Heb. 2:14-15 - Christ is the one who will "DELIVER" us from death, not ourselves! (See #53)
31. Heb. 2:17 - Christ makes "RECONCILIATION for the sins." We can't reconcile ourselves.
32. Heb. 5:9 - Christ is "The AUTHOR of eternal salvation," not us! It's not in our hands.



33. Gal. 2:16 - "Knowing that a man IS NOT JUSTIFIED BY THE WORKS of the law, but by the
faith of Jesus Christ, ....that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and NOT by the WORKS
of the law: FOR BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED."
34. Heb. 9:28 - "Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many." God won't accept good works.
35. Heb. 10:10-12 - Christ's body was offered "Once for all." So stop insulting God with your works.
36. Heb. 10:14 - "For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them." STOP WORKING at it!
37. Heb. 10:17-18 - "There is no more offering for sin." So stop offering your good works.
38. 2 Cor. 1:9 - "We should not trust in ourselves, but in God," who has ALREADY paid the price.
39. 2 Cor. 1:10 - Christ "Delivered us from so great a death." He had to; we can't deliver ourselves.
40. Eph. 1:12-13 - You are saved by trusting in Christ, and, "After that believed, ye were SEALED."
41. Jer. 17:5 - "Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm."
42. Job 25:4 - "How then can man be justified with God? or how can he be clean that is born of a
woman?" (For God's answer, see #86, #63, #54, #33, #82, #80, #73, #5 and Isaiah 1:18)
43. Isa. 12:2 - "Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust." Don't trust good works, trust the Saviour.
44. Luke 18:9-14 - Jesus gives a parable teaching that self righteousness WILL NOT save a person.
45. Ezek. 33:13 - "If he trust to his own righteousness..." He better be perfectly sinless or else!
46. John 14:6 - Jesus said, "I am THE WAY...no man cometh unto the Father, BUT BY ME."
47. 1 Tim. 2:5-6 - There's ONLY "One mediator between God and men," Jesus Christ, not ourselves.
48. Col. 2:14 - Christ took our sin debt, "Nailing it to his cross." It's ALREADY paid for! (See #34-37)
49. John 19:30 - While on the cross, Christ said, "It is finished." It's paid. We don't have to work for it.
50. Matt. 11:28-30 - Christ offers "REST" to all those working at trying to earn their way to Heaven.
51. Isa. 53:4-6 - Christ was, "WOUNDED FOR OUR transgressions." Why? So WE don't have to be.
52. Heb. 4:9-10 - The person who accepts Christ as Saviour, "Hath CEASED from his own works."
53. Gal. 2:21 - If you could earn Heaven, why did Christ die? "Then Christ is dead in vain." (See #86, #8)
54. Rom. 3:20 - "Therefore by the deeds of the law there SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED in his
sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin." (See #33, #14, #82, #80, #87, #42, #73)
55. Gal. 5:1-4 - "Christ hath made us free." He had to; we can't free ourselves, no matter how "good."
56. 2 Tim. 1:10 - "Our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death," with no help from us.
57. 1 John 4:14 - Christ was sent, "To be the Saviour of the world"; we couldn't save ourselves.
58. 1 Tim. 4:10 - "The Saviour of ALL men." Why try to save yourself? You already have a Saviour.
59. Acts 16:30-31 - When the Philippian jailer asked, "What must I do to be saved?" Paul didn't say,
keep the Ten Commandments, but rather, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved."
60. Luke 7:49-50 - Christ told the woman: "Thy faith hath saved thee," not thy works! (See #1)
61. Eph. 1:7 - "Redemption through HIS BLOOD, the forgiveness of sins," not through our works.
62. 1 Pet. 1:3-5 - "According to his abundant MERCY," not according to our good deeds. (See #12)
63. Rev. 1:5 - Christ, "Washed us from our sins in his own blood"; can't wash ourselves with works.
64. Titus 3:7 - We are "Justified by his grace," not by our good deeds, baptism, or church membership.
65. Titus 2:11 - "The grace of God that BRINGETH SALVATION hath appeared to ALL MEN."
66. Eph. 4:32 - We are forgiven, "For Christ's sake," not because of our good behavior. (See #88)
67. Eph. 2:4-5 - "(By grace ye are saved)," not by works. The two don't mix according to Rom. 11:6.
68. Acts 26:18 - "Through this man [Christ]...forgiveness of sins," not through our efforts!
69. Heb. 7:25 - Only Christ is "Able to save." Only He can "Make INTERCESSION for them."



70. Rom. 3:10 - "There is none righteous, no, not one." So how can anyone save themselves?
71. Rom. 3:12 - "There is none that doeth good, no, not one." So how can anyone save themselves?
72. Eccl. 7:20 - "There is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good." Can anyone save themselves?
73. Rom. 4:25 - Christ has already died for our sins. He, "Was delivered for our offences and raised
again FOR OUR JUSTIFICATION." So what role does a person play in their own salvation?
74. Rom. 5:10 - "We are reconciled to God by the death of his Son," not by the fruits of our works.
75. John 6:28-29 - "Then said they unto him, WHAT SHALL WE DO, that we might work the works
of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, THIS IS THE WORK OF GOD, THAT YE BELIEVE
ON HIM whom he hath sent." (See #59, #22, #10, #53)
76. 1 Pet. 3:18 - "Suffered for us...that HE might bring us to God." Do we have to help Him save us?
Didn't He suffer enough to pay the price? Heb. 7:25 says He did. He saves to "The uttermost."
77. Matt. 5:20 - Your self-righteousness would have to surpass that of the Pharisees-- Impossible! (#70)
78. 1 John 2:2 - Christ, "Is the propitiation [payment]...for the sins of the whole world." If He can
pay for the sins of the whole world, why would He need our help in saving us-- mere individuals?
79. Rom. 8:8 - "They that are in the flesh cannot please God." So what chance does anyone have?
80. Rom. 3:23-25 - Through Christ's death we are "Justified freely" (made right with God). His death
provides: "Redemption" (we are bought back to God), "Propitiation" (a settlement of our sin debt),
"Remission [forgiveness] of sins." It's all by God's "Grace" not our works. (See #1, #35, #36, #78)
81. James 2:10-11 - "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in ONE POINT, he is
guilty of all." We can't possibly save ourselves; God demands sinless perfection. We need a Saviour.
82. Romans 5:8-9 - We are "Justified by his blood," not our good works. That's why "When we were
sinners, Christ died for us." Therefore, "We shall be saved from wrath through him."
83. Matt. 18:11 - Jesus came "To save that which was lost [us]." Why? Because we can't save ourselves.
Otherwise, why send Christ to die for our sins if we could pay for them ourselves? (See #53, #8, #86, #76)
84. Acts 15:10-11 - "Through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved," not through
works. Grace is not works; works is not grace, as explained in Rom. 11:6 (see #90, #1, #53)
85. 2 Cor. 5:21 - "Christ was made sin for us...that we might be made the righteousness of God in
him." Why trust our own "righteousness" if God offers to impute us His righteousness? (Rom. 4:22-24)
86. Matt. 19:25-26 - "When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, WHO THEN
CAN BE SAVED? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, WITH MEN THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE;
but with God all things are possible." (See #8, #41, #42, #81, #11, #45, #70, #19)
87. Rom. 5:1 - "Therefore being JUSTIFIED BY FAITH, we have PEACE WITH GOD through our
Lord Jesus Christ." There can be no real peace when a person spends their life wondering if they have done
enough good works. Peace is knowing it's been paid for ALREADY. (See #52, #50, #26, #53)
88. 2 Tim. 1:9 - "Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR
WORKS, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the
world began." God had a "payment plan" ready before any of us were even alive to work!
89. Rom. 10:9-13 - "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus [i.e. Repent], and shalt
believe in thine heart [i.e. Trust] that God hath raised him from the dead, THOU SHALT BE SAVED
...For whosoever shall CALL upon the name of the Lord SHALL BE SAVED." (See #15)
90. Rom. 11:6 - "And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace."
91. Gal. 1:4, 92. Rom. 1:16, 93. Gal. 3:21, 94. Heb. 9:22, 95. 1 Tim. 2:6, 96. Acts 10:43,
97. Isa. 43:11, 98. Gal. 3:24, 99. Heb. 9:12-14, 100. 1 Tim. 1:15, 101. Heb. 6:1





IF you were to die today, are you 100% SURE
you would go to Heaven? The Bible says
YOU CAN BE SURE (1 John 5:13).
BUT FIRST, you must realize that what keeps you
from going to Heaven are your sins, because:
"...your iniquities [sins] have separated
between you and your God," Isaiah 59:2.
In fact, in God's eyes YOU ARE A SINNER: "For
all have sinned, and come short
of the glory of God;" Romans 3:23.

SECONDLY, you must realize that there is
NOTHING you can do to save yourself and earn
Heaven: "For by grace are ye saved through
faith; and that not of yourselves: it is
the gift of God: Not of works, lest any
man should boast." Eph. 2:8-9 Baptism, good
deeds, church membership, self-righteousness are
all examples of good works that cannot save you,
because: "Not by works of
righteousness which we have done, but
according to his mercy he [Christ] saved
us," Titus 3:5.

THE ONLY WAY you can get saved is through
Jesus Christ. He said: "I am the way, the
truth, and the life: no man cometh unto
the Father, but by me." (John 14:6) THAT'S
WHY: "...while we were yet sinners, Christ
died for us." (Rom. 5:8-9)

THEREFORE: You must REPENT (change your
mind); admit that you are a Hell deserving sinner
and can't save yourself. And call upon Christ, and
Him alone, to save you. "if thou shalt confess
with thy mouth the Lord Jesus [REPENT], and
shalt believe in thine heart [TRUST] that God
hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be
saved." Romans 10:9

The man hanging on the cross next to Jesus became a believer and was never baptized nor did anything for his new faith. Yet minutes later went to paradise with Jesus.

This is gonna be an all time classic. Here we go .............


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Link? Hilarious. Here you are busy attempting to to reinterpret the Bible and you don’t even know Bible 101.

Luke 23:39-43

You do know that God has a special treat in store for those that conduct false teaching? No, you don’t. You didn’t even know about Luke 23:39-43. He does. Now you’ve been warned.

 

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“Works” have nothing to do with salvation... that is in the Bible
Ephesians 2:8
“For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God”

There are a number of verses in the Bible which, on their face, establish that justification is by faith alone and works are irrelevant . This are also a number of verses which say that we are judged by our works and that faith without works is dead. Some Christians believe in the former and others in the latter. That's just the way it is.

lol
“Works” Have absolutely nothing to do with salvation… If they did there would be no reason for the crucifixion of Christ.


1. Eph. 2:8-9 - "For BY GRACE are ye SAVED THROUGH FAITH; and that NOT OF
YOURSELVES: it is the GIFT of God: NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast."
2. Rom. 4:6-7 - God imputes "Righteousness without works." (See #9, #4, #45, #7, #12, #53)
3. Rom. 10:3 - It's a grave mistake for anyone to try to, "Establish their own righteousness."
4. Rom. 5:17 - Heaven deserving righteousness is a "GIFT," not something you earn.
5. Rom. 5:18 - Justification to God is a "FREE GIFT," not something you work toward.
6. Phil. 3:9 - Paul, as ‘good’ as he was, still wouldn't trust his "Own righteousness" to save him.
7. Rom. 3:22 - God's righteousness is credited to "ALL THEM THAT BELIEVE," not all that work.
8. Rom. 8:3-4 - The flesh is too "Weak" to save itself. We need a Saviour. We need Christ. (See #86)
9. Rom. 4:3 - Abraham's faith, not works, "Was counted unto him for righteousness."
10. Rom. 4:4-5 - Works are "Not reckoned of grace, but of debt." Faith is counted as righteousness.
11. Gal. 3:10 - To earn Heaven you'd have to "Continueth," perfectly, in the whole law. (See #81, #86)
12. Titus 3:5 - "NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS which we have done, but according to
his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost."
13. John 5:24 - In Christ we've "PASSED from death unto life." We don't have to "wait" to find out.
14. Rom. 9:31-32 - Israel, "Sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law." (#33, #54)
15. Acts 4:12 - No other name but Christ can save us-- not the name of works, nor our own name.
16. John 1:12-13 - Only God's power, through His Son, makes us a child of God. We are not born into
God's family by "Blood" (heritage, family ‘pedigree’), "Nor will of the flesh" (good works), "Nor will
of man." (minister, or man made religion), "But of God." (See #12, #53, #21, #17, #22, #46, #15)
17. Isa. 45:22 - No one else can save a soul from Hell but God; "There is none else."
18. Acts 13:39 - "And by him [Christ] all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye
COULD NOT BE JUSTIFIED by the law of Moses." (See #33, #54, #53, #5, #42, #64, #82, #87, #80)
19. Rom. 8:7 - We can't follow God's law even if we wanted to. So how can we save ourselves? (#86, #8)
20. Matthew 7:21-23 - Christ describes a future scene in which some who are trusting in their "Many
wonderful works," will, sadly, be told by Christ: "I never knew you: depart from me, Ye that work
iniquity." Their good works will not save them. We all have to trust Christ, and Him ALONE. (#46, #12)
21. John 10:1 - We must enter through Christ, "THE DOOR," not by "Some other way.." (See #46)
22. John 8:24 - A person can work all they want, but it won't save them. Jesus said the bottom line is
that, "If ye believe not that I am he [the only way], ye shall die in your sins." (See #53 and #69)
23. Rom. 4:2 - If Abraham could have saved himself, he'd have something to brag about. (See #25, #1)
24. Acts 10:1-43 - Cornelius' good works would put anyone today to shame, yet he still had to get saved
by trusting solely in Christ to save him. (See #6, #12, #1, #88)
25. Rom. 3:27-28 - "Where is boasting then?...Of WORKS? nay." (See #1 and #23)
26. 1 John 5:13 - If your salvation depends on a lifetime of good works, then why does the Bible teach
that you could "KNOW" for sure, before you die, that you are going to Heaven? The answer is because
salvation doesn't depend on you, but on Christ, who ALREADY paid the price for your sins. (See #87)
27. Heb. 1:3 - "He had BY HIMSELF purged our sins." He doesn't need help from us! (See #15)
28. Heb. 2:3 - If we have to work at earning it, why does the Bible call it "So great salvation"?
29. Heb. 2:9-10 - Christ is "The CAPTAIN of their salvation." He tasted "Death for every man."
30. Heb. 2:14-15 - Christ is the one who will "DELIVER" us from death, not ourselves! (See #53)
31. Heb. 2:17 - Christ makes "RECONCILIATION for the sins." We can't reconcile ourselves.
32. Heb. 5:9 - Christ is "The AUTHOR of eternal salvation," not us! It's not in our hands.



33. Gal. 2:16 - "Knowing that a man IS NOT JUSTIFIED BY THE WORKS of the law, but by the
faith of Jesus Christ, ....that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and NOT by the WORKS
of the law: FOR BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED."
34. Heb. 9:28 - "Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many." God won't accept good works.
35. Heb. 10:10-12 - Christ's body was offered "Once for all." So stop insulting God with your works.
36. Heb. 10:14 - "For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them." STOP WORKING at it!
37. Heb. 10:17-18 - "There is no more offering for sin." So stop offering your good works.
38. 2 Cor. 1:9 - "We should not trust in ourselves, but in God," who has ALREADY paid the price.
39. 2 Cor. 1:10 - Christ "Delivered us from so great a death." He had to; we can't deliver ourselves.
40. Eph. 1:12-13 - You are saved by trusting in Christ, and, "After that believed, ye were SEALED."
41. Jer. 17:5 - "Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm."
42. Job 25:4 - "How then can man be justified with God? or how can he be clean that is born of a
woman?" (For God's answer, see #86, #63, #54, #33, #82, #80, #73, #5 and Isaiah 1:18)
43. Isa. 12:2 - "Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust." Don't trust good works, trust the Saviour.
44. Luke 18:9-14 - Jesus gives a parable teaching that self righteousness WILL NOT save a person.
45. Ezek. 33:13 - "If he trust to his own righteousness..." He better be perfectly sinless or else!
46. John 14:6 - Jesus said, "I am THE WAY...no man cometh unto the Father, BUT BY ME."
47. 1 Tim. 2:5-6 - There's ONLY "One mediator between God and men," Jesus Christ, not ourselves.
48. Col. 2:14 - Christ took our sin debt, "Nailing it to his cross." It's ALREADY paid for! (See #34-37)
49. John 19:30 - While on the cross, Christ said, "It is finished." It's paid. We don't have to work for it.
50. Matt. 11:28-30 - Christ offers "REST" to all those working at trying to earn their way to Heaven.
51. Isa. 53:4-6 - Christ was, "WOUNDED FOR OUR transgressions." Why? So WE don't have to be.
52. Heb. 4:9-10 - The person who accepts Christ as Saviour, "Hath CEASED from his own works."
53. Gal. 2:21 - If you could earn Heaven, why did Christ die? "Then Christ is dead in vain." (See #86, #8)
54. Rom. 3:20 - "Therefore by the deeds of the law there SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED in his
sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin." (See #33, #14, #82, #80, #87, #42, #73)
55. Gal. 5:1-4 - "Christ hath made us free." He had to; we can't free ourselves, no matter how "good."
56. 2 Tim. 1:10 - "Our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death," with no help from us.
57. 1 John 4:14 - Christ was sent, "To be the Saviour of the world"; we couldn't save ourselves.
58. 1 Tim. 4:10 - "The Saviour of ALL men." Why try to save yourself? You already have a Saviour.
59. Acts 16:30-31 - When the Philippian jailer asked, "What must I do to be saved?" Paul didn't say,
keep the Ten Commandments, but rather, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved."
60. Luke 7:49-50 - Christ told the woman: "Thy faith hath saved thee," not thy works! (See #1)
61. Eph. 1:7 - "Redemption through HIS BLOOD, the forgiveness of sins," not through our works.
62. 1 Pet. 1:3-5 - "According to his abundant MERCY," not according to our good deeds. (See #12)
63. Rev. 1:5 - Christ, "Washed us from our sins in his own blood"; can't wash ourselves with works.
64. Titus 3:7 - We are "Justified by his grace," not by our good deeds, baptism, or church membership.
65. Titus 2:11 - "The grace of God that BRINGETH SALVATION hath appeared to ALL MEN."
66. Eph. 4:32 - We are forgiven, "For Christ's sake," not because of our good behavior. (See #88)
67. Eph. 2:4-5 - "(By grace ye are saved)," not by works. The two don't mix according to Rom. 11:6.
68. Acts 26:18 - "Through this man [Christ]...forgiveness of sins," not through our efforts!
69. Heb. 7:25 - Only Christ is "Able to save." Only He can "Make INTERCESSION for them."



70. Rom. 3:10 - "There is none righteous, no, not one." So how can anyone save themselves?
71. Rom. 3:12 - "There is none that doeth good, no, not one." So how can anyone save themselves?
72. Eccl. 7:20 - "There is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good." Can anyone save themselves?
73. Rom. 4:25 - Christ has already died for our sins. He, "Was delivered for our offences and raised
again FOR OUR JUSTIFICATION." So what role does a person play in their own salvation?
74. Rom. 5:10 - "We are reconciled to God by the death of his Son," not by the fruits of our works.
75. John 6:28-29 - "Then said they unto him, WHAT SHALL WE DO, that we might work the works
of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, THIS IS THE WORK OF GOD, THAT YE BELIEVE
ON HIM whom he hath sent." (See #59, #22, #10, #53)
76. 1 Pet. 3:18 - "Suffered for us...that HE might bring us to God." Do we have to help Him save us?
Didn't He suffer enough to pay the price? Heb. 7:25 says He did. He saves to "The uttermost."
77. Matt. 5:20 - Your self-righteousness would have to surpass that of the Pharisees-- Impossible! (#70)
78. 1 John 2:2 - Christ, "Is the propitiation [payment]...for the sins of the whole world." If He can
pay for the sins of the whole world, why would He need our help in saving us-- mere individuals?
79. Rom. 8:8 - "They that are in the flesh cannot please God." So what chance does anyone have?
80. Rom. 3:23-25 - Through Christ's death we are "Justified freely" (made right with God). His death
provides: "Redemption" (we are bought back to God), "Propitiation" (a settlement of our sin debt),
"Remission [forgiveness] of sins." It's all by God's "Grace" not our works. (See #1, #35, #36, #78)
81. James 2:10-11 - "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in ONE POINT, he is
guilty of all." We can't possibly save ourselves; God demands sinless perfection. We need a Saviour.
82. Romans 5:8-9 - We are "Justified by his blood," not our good works. That's why "When we were
sinners, Christ died for us." Therefore, "We shall be saved from wrath through him."
83. Matt. 18:11 - Jesus came "To save that which was lost [us]." Why? Because we can't save ourselves.
Otherwise, why send Christ to die for our sins if we could pay for them ourselves? (See #53, #8, #86, #76)
84. Acts 15:10-11 - "Through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved," not through
works. Grace is not works; works is not grace, as explained in Rom. 11:6 (see #90, #1, #53)
85. 2 Cor. 5:21 - "Christ was made sin for us...that we might be made the righteousness of God in
him." Why trust our own "righteousness" if God offers to impute us His righteousness? (Rom. 4:22-24)
86. Matt. 19:25-26 - "When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, WHO THEN
CAN BE SAVED? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, WITH MEN THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE;
but with God all things are possible." (See #8, #41, #42, #81, #11, #45, #70, #19)
87. Rom. 5:1 - "Therefore being JUSTIFIED BY FAITH, we have PEACE WITH GOD through our
Lord Jesus Christ." There can be no real peace when a person spends their life wondering if they have done
enough good works. Peace is knowing it's been paid for ALREADY. (See #52, #50, #26, #53)
88. 2 Tim. 1:9 - "Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR
WORKS, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the
world began." God had a "payment plan" ready before any of us were even alive to work!
89. Rom. 10:9-13 - "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus [i.e. Repent], and shalt
believe in thine heart [i.e. Trust] that God hath raised him from the dead, THOU SHALT BE SAVED
...For whosoever shall CALL upon the name of the Lord SHALL BE SAVED." (See #15)
90. Rom. 11:6 - "And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace."
91. Gal. 1:4, 92. Rom. 1:16, 93. Gal. 3:21, 94. Heb. 9:22, 95. 1 Tim. 2:6, 96. Acts 10:43,
97. Isa. 43:11, 98. Gal. 3:24, 99. Heb. 9:12-14, 100. 1 Tim. 1:15, 101. Heb. 6:1





IF you were to die today, are you 100% SURE
you would go to Heaven? The Bible says
YOU CAN BE SURE (1 John 5:13).
BUT FIRST, you must realize that what keeps you
from going to Heaven are your sins, because:
"...your iniquities [sins] have separated
between you and your God," Isaiah 59:2.
In fact, in God's eyes YOU ARE A SINNER: "For
all have sinned, and come short
of the glory of God;" Romans 3:23.

SECONDLY, you must realize that there is
NOTHING you can do to save yourself and earn
Heaven: "For by grace are ye saved through
faith; and that not of yourselves: it is
the gift of God: Not of works, lest any
man should boast." Eph. 2:8-9 Baptism, good
deeds, church membership, self-righteousness are
all examples of good works that cannot save you,
because: "Not by works of
righteousness which we have done, but
according to his mercy he [Christ] saved
us," Titus 3:5.

THE ONLY WAY you can get saved is through
Jesus Christ. He said: "I am the way, the
truth, and the life: no man cometh unto
the Father, but by me." (John 14:6) THAT'S
WHY: "...while we were yet sinners, Christ
died for us." (Rom. 5:8-9)

THEREFORE: You must REPENT (change your
mind); admit that you are a Hell deserving sinner
and can't save yourself. And call upon Christ, and
Him alone, to save you. "if thou shalt confess
with thy mouth the Lord Jesus [REPENT], and
shalt believe in thine heart [TRUST] that God
hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be
saved." Romans 10:9

The man hanging on the cross next to Jesus became a believer and was never baptized nor did anything for his new faith. Yet minutes later went to paradise with Jesus.

This is gonna be an all time classic. Here we go .............


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I discount any of Paul's letters to anyone. Paul was not an Apostle, he never met Jesus, and Paul's words are not the words of Jesus.

"Faith without deeds is dead" were Jesus' words, not Paul's.

Bible Gateway passage: James 2:14-26 - New King James Version

Works is a byproduct of faith, not a road to salvation. People like Obama who claim to be Christians you know are not because theirs no effort on his part. But Luke 23:39-43 shows what faith does.

 

[Pogo]

“Works” have nothing to do with salvation... that is in the Bible
Ephesians 2:8
“For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God”

There are a number of verses in the Bible which, on their face, establish that justification is by faith alone and works are irrelevant . This are also a number of verses which say that we are judged by our works and that faith without works is dead. Some Christians believe in the former and others in the latter. That's just the way it is.

lol
“Works” Have absolutely nothing to do with salvation… If they did there would be no reason for the crucifixion of Christ.


1. Eph. 2:8-9 - "For BY GRACE are ye SAVED THROUGH FAITH; and that NOT OF
YOURSELVES: it is the GIFT of God: NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast."
2. Rom. 4:6-7 - God imputes "Righteousness without works." (See #9, #4, #45, #7, #12, #53)
3. Rom. 10:3 - It's a grave mistake for anyone to try to, "Establish their own righteousness."
4. Rom. 5:17 - Heaven deserving righteousness is a "GIFT," not something you earn.
5. Rom. 5:18 - Justification to God is a "FREE GIFT," not something you work toward.
6. Phil. 3:9 - Paul, as ‘good’ as he was, still wouldn't trust his "Own righteousness" to save him.
7. Rom. 3:22 - God's righteousness is credited to "ALL THEM THAT BELIEVE," not all that work.
8. Rom. 8:3-4 - The flesh is too "Weak" to save itself. We need a Saviour. We need Christ. (See #86)
9. Rom. 4:3 - Abraham's faith, not works, "Was counted unto him for righteousness."
10. Rom. 4:4-5 - Works are "Not reckoned of grace, but of debt." Faith is counted as righteousness.
11. Gal. 3:10 - To earn Heaven you'd have to "Continueth," perfectly, in the whole law. (See #81, #86)
12. Titus 3:5 - "NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS which we have done, but according to
his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost."
13. John 5:24 - In Christ we've "PASSED from death unto life." We don't have to "wait" to find out.
14. Rom. 9:31-32 - Israel, "Sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law." (#33, #54)
15. Acts 4:12 - No other name but Christ can save us-- not the name of works, nor our own name.
16. John 1:12-13 - Only God's power, through His Son, makes us a child of God. We are not born into
God's family by "Blood" (heritage, family ‘pedigree’), "Nor will of the flesh" (good works), "Nor will
of man." (minister, or man made religion), "But of God." (See #12, #53, #21, #17, #22, #46, #15)
17. Isa. 45:22 - No one else can save a soul from Hell but God; "There is none else."
18. Acts 13:39 - "And by him [Christ] all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye
COULD NOT BE JUSTIFIED by the law of Moses." (See #33, #54, #53, #5, #42, #64, #82, #87, #80)
19. Rom. 8:7 - We can't follow God's law even if we wanted to. So how can we save ourselves? (#86, #8)
20. Matthew 7:21-23 - Christ describes a future scene in which some who are trusting in their "Many
wonderful works," will, sadly, be told by Christ: "I never knew you: depart from me, Ye that work
iniquity." Their good works will not save them. We all have to trust Christ, and Him ALONE. (#46, #12)
21. John 10:1 - We must enter through Christ, "THE DOOR," not by "Some other way.." (See #46)
22. John 8:24 - A person can work all they want, but it won't save them. Jesus said the bottom line is
that, "If ye believe not that I am he [the only way], ye shall die in your sins." (See #53 and #69)
23. Rom. 4:2 - If Abraham could have saved himself, he'd have something to brag about. (See #25, #1)
24. Acts 10:1-43 - Cornelius' good works would put anyone today to shame, yet he still had to get saved
by trusting solely in Christ to save him. (See #6, #12, #1, #88)
25. Rom. 3:27-28 - "Where is boasting then?...Of WORKS? nay." (See #1 and #23)
26. 1 John 5:13 - If your salvation depends on a lifetime of good works, then why does the Bible teach
that you could "KNOW" for sure, before you die, that you are going to Heaven? The answer is because
salvation doesn't depend on you, but on Christ, who ALREADY paid the price for your sins. (See #87)
27. Heb. 1:3 - "He had BY HIMSELF purged our sins." He doesn't need help from us! (See #15)
28. Heb. 2:3 - If we have to work at earning it, why does the Bible call it "So great salvation"?
29. Heb. 2:9-10 - Christ is "The CAPTAIN of their salvation." He tasted "Death for every man."
30. Heb. 2:14-15 - Christ is the one who will "DELIVER" us from death, not ourselves! (See #53)
31. Heb. 2:17 - Christ makes "RECONCILIATION for the sins." We can't reconcile ourselves.
32. Heb. 5:9 - Christ is "The AUTHOR of eternal salvation," not us! It's not in our hands.



33. Gal. 2:16 - "Knowing that a man IS NOT JUSTIFIED BY THE WORKS of the law, but by the
faith of Jesus Christ, ....that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and NOT by the WORKS
of the law: FOR BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED."
34. Heb. 9:28 - "Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many." God won't accept good works.
35. Heb. 10:10-12 - Christ's body was offered "Once for all." So stop insulting God with your works.
36. Heb. 10:14 - "For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them." STOP WORKING at it!
37. Heb. 10:17-18 - "There is no more offering for sin." So stop offering your good works.
38. 2 Cor. 1:9 - "We should not trust in ourselves, but in God," who has ALREADY paid the price.
39. 2 Cor. 1:10 - Christ "Delivered us from so great a death." He had to; we can't deliver ourselves.
40. Eph. 1:12-13 - You are saved by trusting in Christ, and, "After that believed, ye were SEALED."
41. Jer. 17:5 - "Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm."
42. Job 25:4 - "How then can man be justified with God? or how can he be clean that is born of a
woman?" (For God's answer, see #86, #63, #54, #33, #82, #80, #73, #5 and Isaiah 1:18)
43. Isa. 12:2 - "Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust." Don't trust good works, trust the Saviour.
44. Luke 18:9-14 - Jesus gives a parable teaching that self righteousness WILL NOT save a person.
45. Ezek. 33:13 - "If he trust to his own righteousness..." He better be perfectly sinless or else!
46. John 14:6 - Jesus said, "I am THE WAY...no man cometh unto the Father, BUT BY ME."
47. 1 Tim. 2:5-6 - There's ONLY "One mediator between God and men," Jesus Christ, not ourselves.
48. Col. 2:14 - Christ took our sin debt, "Nailing it to his cross." It's ALREADY paid for! (See #34-37)
49. John 19:30 - While on the cross, Christ said, "It is finished." It's paid. We don't have to work for it.
50. Matt. 11:28-30 - Christ offers "REST" to all those working at trying to earn their way to Heaven.
51. Isa. 53:4-6 - Christ was, "WOUNDED FOR OUR transgressions." Why? So WE don't have to be.
52. Heb. 4:9-10 - The person who accepts Christ as Saviour, "Hath CEASED from his own works."
53. Gal. 2:21 - If you could earn Heaven, why did Christ die? "Then Christ is dead in vain." (See #86, #8)
54. Rom. 3:20 - "Therefore by the deeds of the law there SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED in his
sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin." (See #33, #14, #82, #80, #87, #42, #73)
55. Gal. 5:1-4 - "Christ hath made us free." He had to; we can't free ourselves, no matter how "good."
56. 2 Tim. 1:10 - "Our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death," with no help from us.
57. 1 John 4:14 - Christ was sent, "To be the Saviour of the world"; we couldn't save ourselves.
58. 1 Tim. 4:10 - "The Saviour of ALL men." Why try to save yourself? You already have a Saviour.
59. Acts 16:30-31 - When the Philippian jailer asked, "What must I do to be saved?" Paul didn't say,
keep the Ten Commandments, but rather, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved."
60. Luke 7:49-50 - Christ told the woman: "Thy faith hath saved thee," not thy works! (See #1)
61. Eph. 1:7 - "Redemption through HIS BLOOD, the forgiveness of sins," not through our works.
62. 1 Pet. 1:3-5 - "According to his abundant MERCY," not according to our good deeds. (See #12)
63. Rev. 1:5 - Christ, "Washed us from our sins in his own blood"; can't wash ourselves with works.
64. Titus 3:7 - We are "Justified by his grace," not by our good deeds, baptism, or church membership.
65. Titus 2:11 - "The grace of God that BRINGETH SALVATION hath appeared to ALL MEN."
66. Eph. 4:32 - We are forgiven, "For Christ's sake," not because of our good behavior. (See #88)
67. Eph. 2:4-5 - "(By grace ye are saved)," not by works. The two don't mix according to Rom. 11:6.
68. Acts 26:18 - "Through this man [Christ]...forgiveness of sins," not through our efforts!
69. Heb. 7:25 - Only Christ is "Able to save." Only He can "Make INTERCESSION for them."



70. Rom. 3:10 - "There is none righteous, no, not one." So how can anyone save themselves?
71. Rom. 3:12 - "There is none that doeth good, no, not one." So how can anyone save themselves?
72. Eccl. 7:20 - "There is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good." Can anyone save themselves?
73. Rom. 4:25 - Christ has already died for our sins. He, "Was delivered for our offences and raised
again FOR OUR JUSTIFICATION." So what role does a person play in their own salvation?
74. Rom. 5:10 - "We are reconciled to God by the death of his Son," not by the fruits of our works.
75. John 6:28-29 - "Then said they unto him, WHAT SHALL WE DO, that we might work the works
of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, THIS IS THE WORK OF GOD, THAT YE BELIEVE
ON HIM whom he hath sent." (See #59, #22, #10, #53)
76. 1 Pet. 3:18 - "Suffered for us...that HE might bring us to God." Do we have to help Him save us?
Didn't He suffer enough to pay the price? Heb. 7:25 says He did. He saves to "The uttermost."
77. Matt. 5:20 - Your self-righteousness would have to surpass that of the Pharisees-- Impossible! (#70)
78. 1 John 2:2 - Christ, "Is the propitiation [payment]...for the sins of the whole world." If He can
pay for the sins of the whole world, why would He need our help in saving us-- mere individuals?
79. Rom. 8:8 - "They that are in the flesh cannot please God." So what chance does anyone have?
80. Rom. 3:23-25 - Through Christ's death we are "Justified freely" (made right with God). His death
provides: "Redemption" (we are bought back to God), "Propitiation" (a settlement of our sin debt),
"Remission [forgiveness] of sins." It's all by God's "Grace" not our works. (See #1, #35, #36, #78)
81. James 2:10-11 - "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in ONE POINT, he is
guilty of all." We can't possibly save ourselves; God demands sinless perfection. We need a Saviour.
82. Romans 5:8-9 - We are "Justified by his blood," not our good works. That's why "When we were
sinners, Christ died for us." Therefore, "We shall be saved from wrath through him."
83. Matt. 18:11 - Jesus came "To save that which was lost [us]." Why? Because we can't save ourselves.
Otherwise, why send Christ to die for our sins if we could pay for them ourselves? (See #53, #8, #86, #76)
84. Acts 15:10-11 - "Through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved," not through
works. Grace is not works; works is not grace, as explained in Rom. 11:6 (see #90, #1, #53)
85. 2 Cor. 5:21 - "Christ was made sin for us...that we might be made the righteousness of God in
him." Why trust our own "righteousness" if God offers to impute us His righteousness? (Rom. 4:22-24)
86. Matt. 19:25-26 - "When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, WHO THEN
CAN BE SAVED? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, WITH MEN THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE;
but with God all things are possible." (See #8, #41, #42, #81, #11, #45, #70, #19)
87. Rom. 5:1 - "Therefore being JUSTIFIED BY FAITH, we have PEACE WITH GOD through our
Lord Jesus Christ." There can be no real peace when a person spends their life wondering if they have done
enough good works. Peace is knowing it's been paid for ALREADY. (See #52, #50, #26, #53)
88. 2 Tim. 1:9 - "Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR
WORKS, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the
world began." God had a "payment plan" ready before any of us were even alive to work!
89. Rom. 10:9-13 - "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus [i.e. Repent], and shalt
believe in thine heart [i.e. Trust] that God hath raised him from the dead, THOU SHALT BE SAVED
...For whosoever shall CALL upon the name of the Lord SHALL BE SAVED." (See #15)
90. Rom. 11:6 - "And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace."
91. Gal. 1:4, 92. Rom. 1:16, 93. Gal. 3:21, 94. Heb. 9:22, 95. 1 Tim. 2:6, 96. Acts 10:43,
97. Isa. 43:11, 98. Gal. 3:24, 99. Heb. 9:12-14, 100. 1 Tim. 1:15, 101. Heb. 6:1





IF you were to die today, are you 100% SURE
you would go to Heaven? The Bible says
YOU CAN BE SURE (1 John 5:13).
BUT FIRST, you must realize that what keeps you
from going to Heaven are your sins, because:
"...your iniquities [sins] have separated
between you and your God," Isaiah 59:2.
In fact, in God's eyes YOU ARE A SINNER: "For
all have sinned, and come short
of the glory of God;" Romans 3:23.

SECONDLY, you must realize that there is
NOTHING you can do to save yourself and earn
Heaven: "For by grace are ye saved through
faith; and that not of yourselves: it is
the gift of God: Not of works, lest any
man should boast." Eph. 2:8-9 Baptism, good
deeds, church membership, self-righteousness are
all examples of good works that cannot save you,
because: "Not by works of
righteousness which we have done, but
according to his mercy he [Christ] saved
us," Titus 3:5.

THE ONLY WAY you can get saved is through
Jesus Christ. He said: "I am the way, the
truth, and the life: no man cometh unto
the Father, but by me." (John 14:6) THAT'S
WHY: "...while we were yet sinners, Christ
died for us." (Rom. 5:8-9)

THEREFORE: You must REPENT (change your
mind); admit that you are a Hell deserving sinner
and can't save yourself. And call upon Christ, and
Him alone, to save you. "if thou shalt confess
with thy mouth the Lord Jesus [REPENT], and
shalt believe in thine heart [TRUST] that God
hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be
saved." Romans 10:9

The man hanging on the cross next to Jesus became a believer and was never baptized nor did anything for his new faith. Yet minutes later went to paradise with Jesus.

This is gonna be an all time classic. Here we go .............


---------------- Link?

Link? Hilarious. Here you are busy attempting to to reinterpret the Bible and you don’t even know Bible 101.

Luke 23:39-43

You do know that God has a special treat in store for those that conduct false teaching? No, you don’t. You didn’t even know about Luke 23:39-43. He does. Now you’ve been warned.

You should know this by now but when I say "Link?" it means I want a credible source to the assertion.

The Holey Babble is hardly a credible source. Accounts written down after thirty years of memory embellishment by those who may or may not have been in place to witness things that can't even be witnessed in the first place, and then edited at the Council of Nicea three centuries later, are about as credible as Jim Hoft.

 

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There are a number of verses in the Bible which, on their face, establish that justification is by faith alone and works are irrelevant . This are also a number of verses which say that we are judged by our works and that faith without works is dead. Some Christians believe in the former and others in the latter. That's just the way it is.

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“Works” Have absolutely nothing to do with salvation… If they did there would be no reason for the crucifixion of Christ.


1. Eph. 2:8-9 - "For BY GRACE are ye SAVED THROUGH FAITH; and that NOT OF
YOURSELVES: it is the GIFT of God: NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast."
2. Rom. 4:6-7 - God imputes "Righteousness without works." (See #9, #4, #45, #7, #12, #53)
3. Rom. 10:3 - It's a grave mistake for anyone to try to, "Establish their own righteousness."
4. Rom. 5:17 - Heaven deserving righteousness is a "GIFT," not something you earn.
5. Rom. 5:18 - Justification to God is a "FREE GIFT," not something you work toward.
6. Phil. 3:9 - Paul, as ‘good’ as he was, still wouldn't trust his "Own righteousness" to save him.
7. Rom. 3:22 - God's righteousness is credited to "ALL THEM THAT BELIEVE," not all that work.
8. Rom. 8:3-4 - The flesh is too "Weak" to save itself. We need a Saviour. We need Christ. (See #86)
9. Rom. 4:3 - Abraham's faith, not works, "Was counted unto him for righteousness."
10. Rom. 4:4-5 - Works are "Not reckoned of grace, but of debt." Faith is counted as righteousness.
11. Gal. 3:10 - To earn Heaven you'd have to "Continueth," perfectly, in the whole law. (See #81, #86)
12. Titus 3:5 - "NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS which we have done, but according to
his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost."
13. John 5:24 - In Christ we've "PASSED from death unto life." We don't have to "wait" to find out.
14. Rom. 9:31-32 - Israel, "Sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law." (#33, #54)
15. Acts 4:12 - No other name but Christ can save us-- not the name of works, nor our own name.
16. John 1:12-13 - Only God's power, through His Son, makes us a child of God. We are not born into
God's family by "Blood" (heritage, family ‘pedigree’), "Nor will of the flesh" (good works), "Nor will
of man." (minister, or man made religion), "But of God." (See #12, #53, #21, #17, #22, #46, #15)
17. Isa. 45:22 - No one else can save a soul from Hell but God; "There is none else."
18. Acts 13:39 - "And by him [Christ] all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye
COULD NOT BE JUSTIFIED by the law of Moses." (See #33, #54, #53, #5, #42, #64, #82, #87, #80)
19. Rom. 8:7 - We can't follow God's law even if we wanted to. So how can we save ourselves? (#86, #8)
20. Matthew 7:21-23 - Christ describes a future scene in which some who are trusting in their "Many
wonderful works," will, sadly, be told by Christ: "I never knew you: depart from me, Ye that work
iniquity." Their good works will not save them. We all have to trust Christ, and Him ALONE. (#46, #12)
21. John 10:1 - We must enter through Christ, "THE DOOR," not by "Some other way.." (See #46)
22. John 8:24 - A person can work all they want, but it won't save them. Jesus said the bottom line is
that, "If ye believe not that I am he [the only way], ye shall die in your sins." (See #53 and #69)
23. Rom. 4:2 - If Abraham could have saved himself, he'd have something to brag about. (See #25, #1)
24. Acts 10:1-43 - Cornelius' good works would put anyone today to shame, yet he still had to get saved
by trusting solely in Christ to save him. (See #6, #12, #1, #88)
25. Rom. 3:27-28 - "Where is boasting then?...Of WORKS? nay." (See #1 and #23)
26. 1 John 5:13 - If your salvation depends on a lifetime of good works, then why does the Bible teach
that you could "KNOW" for sure, before you die, that you are going to Heaven? The answer is because
salvation doesn't depend on you, but on Christ, who ALREADY paid the price for your sins. (See #87)
27. Heb. 1:3 - "He had BY HIMSELF purged our sins." He doesn't need help from us! (See #15)
28. Heb. 2:3 - If we have to work at earning it, why does the Bible call it "So great salvation"?
29. Heb. 2:9-10 - Christ is "The CAPTAIN of their salvation." He tasted "Death for every man."
30. Heb. 2:14-15 - Christ is the one who will "DELIVER" us from death, not ourselves! (See #53)
31. Heb. 2:17 - Christ makes "RECONCILIATION for the sins." We can't reconcile ourselves.
32. Heb. 5:9 - Christ is "The AUTHOR of eternal salvation," not us! It's not in our hands.



33. Gal. 2:16 - "Knowing that a man IS NOT JUSTIFIED BY THE WORKS of the law, but by the
faith of Jesus Christ, ....that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and NOT by the WORKS
of the law: FOR BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED."
34. Heb. 9:28 - "Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many." God won't accept good works.
35. Heb. 10:10-12 - Christ's body was offered "Once for all." So stop insulting God with your works.
36. Heb. 10:14 - "For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them." STOP WORKING at it!
37. Heb. 10:17-18 - "There is no more offering for sin." So stop offering your good works.
38. 2 Cor. 1:9 - "We should not trust in ourselves, but in God," who has ALREADY paid the price.
39. 2 Cor. 1:10 - Christ "Delivered us from so great a death." He had to; we can't deliver ourselves.
40. Eph. 1:12-13 - You are saved by trusting in Christ, and, "After that believed, ye were SEALED."
41. Jer. 17:5 - "Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm."
42. Job 25:4 - "How then can man be justified with God? or how can he be clean that is born of a
woman?" (For God's answer, see #86, #63, #54, #33, #82, #80, #73, #5 and Isaiah 1:18)
43. Isa. 12:2 - "Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust." Don't trust good works, trust the Saviour.
44. Luke 18:9-14 - Jesus gives a parable teaching that self righteousness WILL NOT save a person.
45. Ezek. 33:13 - "If he trust to his own righteousness..." He better be perfectly sinless or else!
46. John 14:6 - Jesus said, "I am THE WAY...no man cometh unto the Father, BUT BY ME."
47. 1 Tim. 2:5-6 - There's ONLY "One mediator between God and men," Jesus Christ, not ourselves.
48. Col. 2:14 - Christ took our sin debt, "Nailing it to his cross." It's ALREADY paid for! (See #34-37)
49. John 19:30 - While on the cross, Christ said, "It is finished." It's paid. We don't have to work for it.
50. Matt. 11:28-30 - Christ offers "REST" to all those working at trying to earn their way to Heaven.
51. Isa. 53:4-6 - Christ was, "WOUNDED FOR OUR transgressions." Why? So WE don't have to be.
52. Heb. 4:9-10 - The person who accepts Christ as Saviour, "Hath CEASED from his own works."
53. Gal. 2:21 - If you could earn Heaven, why did Christ die? "Then Christ is dead in vain." (See #86, #8)
54. Rom. 3:20 - "Therefore by the deeds of the law there SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED in his
sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin." (See #33, #14, #82, #80, #87, #42, #73)
55. Gal. 5:1-4 - "Christ hath made us free." He had to; we can't free ourselves, no matter how "good."
56. 2 Tim. 1:10 - "Our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death," with no help from us.
57. 1 John 4:14 - Christ was sent, "To be the Saviour of the world"; we couldn't save ourselves.
58. 1 Tim. 4:10 - "The Saviour of ALL men." Why try to save yourself? You already have a Saviour.
59. Acts 16:30-31 - When the Philippian jailer asked, "What must I do to be saved?" Paul didn't say,
keep the Ten Commandments, but rather, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved."
60. Luke 7:49-50 - Christ told the woman: "Thy faith hath saved thee," not thy works! (See #1)
61. Eph. 1:7 - "Redemption through HIS BLOOD, the forgiveness of sins," not through our works.
62. 1 Pet. 1:3-5 - "According to his abundant MERCY," not according to our good deeds. (See #12)
63. Rev. 1:5 - Christ, "Washed us from our sins in his own blood"; can't wash ourselves with works.
64. Titus 3:7 - We are "Justified by his grace," not by our good deeds, baptism, or church membership.
65. Titus 2:11 - "The grace of God that BRINGETH SALVATION hath appeared to ALL MEN."
66. Eph. 4:32 - We are forgiven, "For Christ's sake," not because of our good behavior. (See #88)
67. Eph. 2:4-5 - "(By grace ye are saved)," not by works. The two don't mix according to Rom. 11:6.
68. Acts 26:18 - "Through this man [Christ]...forgiveness of sins," not through our efforts!
69. Heb. 7:25 - Only Christ is "Able to save." Only He can "Make INTERCESSION for them."



70. Rom. 3:10 - "There is none righteous, no, not one." So how can anyone save themselves?
71. Rom. 3:12 - "There is none that doeth good, no, not one." So how can anyone save themselves?
72. Eccl. 7:20 - "There is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good." Can anyone save themselves?
73. Rom. 4:25 - Christ has already died for our sins. He, "Was delivered for our offences and raised
again FOR OUR JUSTIFICATION." So what role does a person play in their own salvation?
74. Rom. 5:10 - "We are reconciled to God by the death of his Son," not by the fruits of our works.
75. John 6:28-29 - "Then said they unto him, WHAT SHALL WE DO, that we might work the works
of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, THIS IS THE WORK OF GOD, THAT YE BELIEVE
ON HIM whom he hath sent." (See #59, #22, #10, #53)
76. 1 Pet. 3:18 - "Suffered for us...that HE might bring us to God." Do we have to help Him save us?
Didn't He suffer enough to pay the price? Heb. 7:25 says He did. He saves to "The uttermost."
77. Matt. 5:20 - Your self-righteousness would have to surpass that of the Pharisees-- Impossible! (#70)
78. 1 John 2:2 - Christ, "Is the propitiation [payment]...for the sins of the whole world." If He can
pay for the sins of the whole world, why would He need our help in saving us-- mere individuals?
79. Rom. 8:8 - "They that are in the flesh cannot please God." So what chance does anyone have?
80. Rom. 3:23-25 - Through Christ's death we are "Justified freely" (made right with God). His death
provides: "Redemption" (we are bought back to God), "Propitiation" (a settlement of our sin debt),
"Remission [forgiveness] of sins." It's all by God's "Grace" not our works. (See #1, #35, #36, #78)
81. James 2:10-11 - "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in ONE POINT, he is
guilty of all." We can't possibly save ourselves; God demands sinless perfection. We need a Saviour.
82. Romans 5:8-9 - We are "Justified by his blood," not our good works. That's why "When we were
sinners, Christ died for us." Therefore, "We shall be saved from wrath through him."
83. Matt. 18:11 - Jesus came "To save that which was lost [us]." Why? Because we can't save ourselves.
Otherwise, why send Christ to die for our sins if we could pay for them ourselves? (See #53, #8, #86, #76)
84. Acts 15:10-11 - "Through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved," not through
works. Grace is not works; works is not grace, as explained in Rom. 11:6 (see #90, #1, #53)
85. 2 Cor. 5:21 - "Christ was made sin for us...that we might be made the righteousness of God in
him." Why trust our own "righteousness" if God offers to impute us His righteousness? (Rom. 4:22-24)
86. Matt. 19:25-26 - "When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, WHO THEN
CAN BE SAVED? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, WITH MEN THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE;
but with God all things are possible." (See #8, #41, #42, #81, #11, #45, #70, #19)
87. Rom. 5:1 - "Therefore being JUSTIFIED BY FAITH, we have PEACE WITH GOD through our
Lord Jesus Christ." There can be no real peace when a person spends their life wondering if they have done
enough good works. Peace is knowing it's been paid for ALREADY. (See #52, #50, #26, #53)
88. 2 Tim. 1:9 - "Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR
WORKS, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the
world began." God had a "payment plan" ready before any of us were even alive to work!
89. Rom. 10:9-13 - "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus [i.e. Repent], and shalt
believe in thine heart [i.e. Trust] that God hath raised him from the dead, THOU SHALT BE SAVED
...For whosoever shall CALL upon the name of the Lord SHALL BE SAVED." (See #15)
90. Rom. 11:6 - "And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace."
91. Gal. 1:4, 92. Rom. 1:16, 93. Gal. 3:21, 94. Heb. 9:22, 95. 1 Tim. 2:6, 96. Acts 10:43,
97. Isa. 43:11, 98. Gal. 3:24, 99. Heb. 9:12-14, 100. 1 Tim. 1:15, 101. Heb. 6:1





IF you were to die today, are you 100% SURE
you would go to Heaven? The Bible says
YOU CAN BE SURE (1 John 5:13).
BUT FIRST, you must realize that what keeps you
from going to Heaven are your sins, because:
"...your iniquities [sins] have separated
between you and your God," Isaiah 59:2.
In fact, in God's eyes YOU ARE A SINNER: "For
all have sinned, and come short
of the glory of God;" Romans 3:23.

SECONDLY, you must realize that there is
NOTHING you can do to save yourself and earn
Heaven: "For by grace are ye saved through
faith; and that not of yourselves: it is
the gift of God: Not of works, lest any
man should boast." Eph. 2:8-9 Baptism, good
deeds, church membership, self-righteousness are
all examples of good works that cannot save you,
because: "Not by works of
righteousness which we have done, but
according to his mercy he [Christ] saved
us," Titus 3:5.

THE ONLY WAY you can get saved is through
Jesus Christ. He said: "I am the way, the
truth, and the life: no man cometh unto
the Father, but by me." (John 14:6) THAT'S
WHY: "...while we were yet sinners, Christ
died for us." (Rom. 5:8-9)

THEREFORE: You must REPENT (change your
mind); admit that you are a Hell deserving sinner
and can't save yourself. And call upon Christ, and
Him alone, to save you. "if thou shalt confess
with thy mouth the Lord Jesus [REPENT], and
shalt believe in thine heart [TRUST] that God
hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be
saved." Romans 10:9

The man hanging on the cross next to Jesus became a believer and was never baptized nor did anything for his new faith. Yet minutes later went to paradise with Jesus.

This is gonna be an all time classic. Here we go .............


---------------- Link?

Link? Hilarious. Here you are busy attempting to to reinterpret the Bible and you don’t even know Bible 101.

Luke 23:39-43

You do know that God has a special treat in store for those that conduct false teaching? No, you don’t. You didn’t even know about Luke 23:39-43. He does. Now you’ve been warned.

You should know this by now but when I say "Link?" it means I want a credible source to the assertion.

The Holey Babble is hardly a credible source.

Yet here you are bullshitting about how salvation works.

You are one total moron troll. Any more posts in this thread and the mods will be notified.

 

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“Works” Have absolutely nothing to do with salvation… If they did there would be no reason for the crucifixion of Christ.


1. Eph. 2:8-9 - "For BY GRACE are ye SAVED THROUGH FAITH; and that NOT OF
YOURSELVES: it is the GIFT of God: NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast."
2. Rom. 4:6-7 - God imputes "Righteousness without works." (See #9, #4, #45, #7, #12, #53)
3. Rom. 10:3 - It's a grave mistake for anyone to try to, "Establish their own righteousness."
4. Rom. 5:17 - Heaven deserving righteousness is a "GIFT," not something you earn.
5. Rom. 5:18 - Justification to God is a "FREE GIFT," not something you work toward.
6. Phil. 3:9 - Paul, as ‘good’ as he was, still wouldn't trust his "Own righteousness" to save him.
7. Rom. 3:22 - God's righteousness is credited to "ALL THEM THAT BELIEVE," not all that work.
8. Rom. 8:3-4 - The flesh is too "Weak" to save itself. We need a Saviour. We need Christ. (See #86)
9. Rom. 4:3 - Abraham's faith, not works, "Was counted unto him for righteousness."
10. Rom. 4:4-5 - Works are "Not reckoned of grace, but of debt." Faith is counted as righteousness.
11. Gal. 3:10 - To earn Heaven you'd have to "Continueth," perfectly, in the whole law. (See #81, #86)
12. Titus 3:5 - "NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS which we have done, but according to
his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost."
13. John 5:24 - In Christ we've "PASSED from death unto life." We don't have to "wait" to find out.
14. Rom. 9:31-32 - Israel, "Sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law." (#33, #54)
15. Acts 4:12 - No other name but Christ can save us-- not the name of works, nor our own name.
16. John 1:12-13 - Only God's power, through His Son, makes us a child of God. We are not born into
God's family by "Blood" (heritage, family ‘pedigree’), "Nor will of the flesh" (good works), "Nor will
of man." (minister, or man made religion), "But of God." (See #12, #53, #21, #17, #22, #46, #15)
17. Isa. 45:22 - No one else can save a soul from Hell but God; "There is none else."
18. Acts 13:39 - "And by him [Christ] all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye
COULD NOT BE JUSTIFIED by the law of Moses." (See #33, #54, #53, #5, #42, #64, #82, #87, #80)
19. Rom. 8:7 - We can't follow God's law even if we wanted to. So how can we save ourselves? (#86, #8)
20. Matthew 7:21-23 - Christ describes a future scene in which some who are trusting in their "Many
wonderful works," will, sadly, be told by Christ: "I never knew you: depart from me, Ye that work
iniquity." Their good works will not save them. We all have to trust Christ, and Him ALONE. (#46, #12)
21. John 10:1 - We must enter through Christ, "THE DOOR," not by "Some other way.." (See #46)
22. John 8:24 - A person can work all they want, but it won't save them. Jesus said the bottom line is
that, "If ye believe not that I am he [the only way], ye shall die in your sins." (See #53 and #69)
23. Rom. 4:2 - If Abraham could have saved himself, he'd have something to brag about. (See #25, #1)
24. Acts 10:1-43 - Cornelius' good works would put anyone today to shame, yet he still had to get saved
by trusting solely in Christ to save him. (See #6, #12, #1, #88)
25. Rom. 3:27-28 - "Where is boasting then?...Of WORKS? nay." (See #1 and #23)
26. 1 John 5:13 - If your salvation depends on a lifetime of good works, then why does the Bible teach
that you could "KNOW" for sure, before you die, that you are going to Heaven? The answer is because
salvation doesn't depend on you, but on Christ, who ALREADY paid the price for your sins. (See #87)
27. Heb. 1:3 - "He had BY HIMSELF purged our sins." He doesn't need help from us! (See #15)
28. Heb. 2:3 - If we have to work at earning it, why does the Bible call it "So great salvation"?
29. Heb. 2:9-10 - Christ is "The CAPTAIN of their salvation." He tasted "Death for every man."
30. Heb. 2:14-15 - Christ is the one who will "DELIVER" us from death, not ourselves! (See #53)
31. Heb. 2:17 - Christ makes "RECONCILIATION for the sins." We can't reconcile ourselves.
32. Heb. 5:9 - Christ is "The AUTHOR of eternal salvation," not us! It's not in our hands.



33. Gal. 2:16 - "Knowing that a man IS NOT JUSTIFIED BY THE WORKS of the law, but by the
faith of Jesus Christ, ....that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and NOT by the WORKS
of the law: FOR BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED."
34. Heb. 9:28 - "Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many." God won't accept good works.
35. Heb. 10:10-12 - Christ's body was offered "Once for all." So stop insulting God with your works.
36. Heb. 10:14 - "For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them." STOP WORKING at it!
37. Heb. 10:17-18 - "There is no more offering for sin." So stop offering your good works.
38. 2 Cor. 1:9 - "We should not trust in ourselves, but in God," who has ALREADY paid the price.
39. 2 Cor. 1:10 - Christ "Delivered us from so great a death." He had to; we can't deliver ourselves.
40. Eph. 1:12-13 - You are saved by trusting in Christ, and, "After that believed, ye were SEALED."
41. Jer. 17:5 - "Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm."
42. Job 25:4 - "How then can man be justified with God? or how can he be clean that is born of a
woman?" (For God's answer, see #86, #63, #54, #33, #82, #80, #73, #5 and Isaiah 1:18)
43. Isa. 12:2 - "Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust." Don't trust good works, trust the Saviour.
44. Luke 18:9-14 - Jesus gives a parable teaching that self righteousness WILL NOT save a person.
45. Ezek. 33:13 - "If he trust to his own righteousness..." He better be perfectly sinless or else!
46. John 14:6 - Jesus said, "I am THE WAY...no man cometh unto the Father, BUT BY ME."
47. 1 Tim. 2:5-6 - There's ONLY "One mediator between God and men," Jesus Christ, not ourselves.
48. Col. 2:14 - Christ took our sin debt, "Nailing it to his cross." It's ALREADY paid for! (See #34-37)
49. John 19:30 - While on the cross, Christ said, "It is finished." It's paid. We don't have to work for it.
50. Matt. 11:28-30 - Christ offers "REST" to all those working at trying to earn their way to Heaven.
51. Isa. 53:4-6 - Christ was, "WOUNDED FOR OUR transgressions." Why? So WE don't have to be.
52. Heb. 4:9-10 - The person who accepts Christ as Saviour, "Hath CEASED from his own works."
53. Gal. 2:21 - If you could earn Heaven, why did Christ die? "Then Christ is dead in vain." (See #86, #8)
54. Rom. 3:20 - "Therefore by the deeds of the law there SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED in his
sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin." (See #33, #14, #82, #80, #87, #42, #73)
55. Gal. 5:1-4 - "Christ hath made us free." He had to; we can't free ourselves, no matter how "good."
56. 2 Tim. 1:10 - "Our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death," with no help from us.
57. 1 John 4:14 - Christ was sent, "To be the Saviour of the world"; we couldn't save ourselves.
58. 1 Tim. 4:10 - "The Saviour of ALL men." Why try to save yourself? You already have a Saviour.
59. Acts 16:30-31 - When the Philippian jailer asked, "What must I do to be saved?" Paul didn't say,
keep the Ten Commandments, but rather, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved."
60. Luke 7:49-50 - Christ told the woman: "Thy faith hath saved thee," not thy works! (See #1)
61. Eph. 1:7 - "Redemption through HIS BLOOD, the forgiveness of sins," not through our works.
62. 1 Pet. 1:3-5 - "According to his abundant MERCY," not according to our good deeds. (See #12)
63. Rev. 1:5 - Christ, "Washed us from our sins in his own blood"; can't wash ourselves with works.
64. Titus 3:7 - We are "Justified by his grace," not by our good deeds, baptism, or church membership.
65. Titus 2:11 - "The grace of God that BRINGETH SALVATION hath appeared to ALL MEN."
66. Eph. 4:32 - We are forgiven, "For Christ's sake," not because of our good behavior. (See #88)
67. Eph. 2:4-5 - "(By grace ye are saved)," not by works. The two don't mix according to Rom. 11:6.
68. Acts 26:18 - "Through this man [Christ]...forgiveness of sins," not through our efforts!
69. Heb. 7:25 - Only Christ is "Able to save." Only He can "Make INTERCESSION for them."



70. Rom. 3:10 - "There is none righteous, no, not one." So how can anyone save themselves?
71. Rom. 3:12 - "There is none that doeth good, no, not one." So how can anyone save themselves?
72. Eccl. 7:20 - "There is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good." Can anyone save themselves?
73. Rom. 4:25 - Christ has already died for our sins. He, "Was delivered for our offences and raised
again FOR OUR JUSTIFICATION." So what role does a person play in their own salvation?
74. Rom. 5:10 - "We are reconciled to God by the death of his Son," not by the fruits of our works.
75. John 6:28-29 - "Then said they unto him, WHAT SHALL WE DO, that we might work the works
of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, THIS IS THE WORK OF GOD, THAT YE BELIEVE
ON HIM whom he hath sent." (See #59, #22, #10, #53)
76. 1 Pet. 3:18 - "Suffered for us...that HE might bring us to God." Do we have to help Him save us?
Didn't He suffer enough to pay the price? Heb. 7:25 says He did. He saves to "The uttermost."
77. Matt. 5:20 - Your self-righteousness would have to surpass that of the Pharisees-- Impossible! (#70)
78. 1 John 2:2 - Christ, "Is the propitiation [payment]...for the sins of the whole world." If He can
pay for the sins of the whole world, why would He need our help in saving us-- mere individuals?
79. Rom. 8:8 - "They that are in the flesh cannot please God." So what chance does anyone have?
80. Rom. 3:23-25 - Through Christ's death we are "Justified freely" (made right with God). His death
provides: "Redemption" (we are bought back to God), "Propitiation" (a settlement of our sin debt),
"Remission [forgiveness] of sins." It's all by God's "Grace" not our works. (See #1, #35, #36, #78)
81. James 2:10-11 - "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in ONE POINT, he is
guilty of all." We can't possibly save ourselves; God demands sinless perfection. We need a Saviour.
82. Romans 5:8-9 - We are "Justified by his blood," not our good works. That's why "When we were
sinners, Christ died for us." Therefore, "We shall be saved from wrath through him."
83. Matt. 18:11 - Jesus came "To save that which was lost [us]." Why? Because we can't save ourselves.
Otherwise, why send Christ to die for our sins if we could pay for them ourselves? (See #53, #8, #86, #76)
84. Acts 15:10-11 - "Through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved," not through
works. Grace is not works; works is not grace, as explained in Rom. 11:6 (see #90, #1, #53)
85. 2 Cor. 5:21 - "Christ was made sin for us...that we might be made the righteousness of God in
him." Why trust our own "righteousness" if God offers to impute us His righteousness? (Rom. 4:22-24)
86. Matt. 19:25-26 - "When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, WHO THEN
CAN BE SAVED? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, WITH MEN THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE;
but with God all things are possible." (See #8, #41, #42, #81, #11, #45, #70, #19)
87. Rom. 5:1 - "Therefore being JUSTIFIED BY FAITH, we have PEACE WITH GOD through our
Lord Jesus Christ." There can be no real peace when a person spends their life wondering if they have done
enough good works. Peace is knowing it's been paid for ALREADY. (See #52, #50, #26, #53)
88. 2 Tim. 1:9 - "Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR
WORKS, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the
world began." God had a "payment plan" ready before any of us were even alive to work!
89. Rom. 10:9-13 - "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus [i.e. Repent], and shalt
believe in thine heart [i.e. Trust] that God hath raised him from the dead, THOU SHALT BE SAVED
...For whosoever shall CALL upon the name of the Lord SHALL BE SAVED." (See #15)
90. Rom. 11:6 - "And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace."
91. Gal. 1:4, 92. Rom. 1:16, 93. Gal. 3:21, 94. Heb. 9:22, 95. 1 Tim. 2:6, 96. Acts 10:43,
97. Isa. 43:11, 98. Gal. 3:24, 99. Heb. 9:12-14, 100. 1 Tim. 1:15, 101. Heb. 6:1





IF you were to die today, are you 100% SURE
you would go to Heaven? The Bible says
YOU CAN BE SURE (1 John 5:13).
BUT FIRST, you must realize that what keeps you
from going to Heaven are your sins, because:
"...your iniquities [sins] have separated
between you and your God," Isaiah 59:2.
In fact, in God's eyes YOU ARE A SINNER: "For
all have sinned, and come short
of the glory of God;" Romans 3:23.

SECONDLY, you must realize that there is
NOTHING you can do to save yourself and earn
Heaven: "For by grace are ye saved through
faith; and that not of yourselves: it is
the gift of God: Not of works, lest any
man should boast." Eph. 2:8-9 Baptism, good
deeds, church membership, self-righteousness are
all examples of good works that cannot save you,
because: "Not by works of
righteousness which we have done, but
according to his mercy he [Christ] saved
us," Titus 3:5.

THE ONLY WAY you can get saved is through
Jesus Christ. He said: "I am the way, the
truth, and the life: no man cometh unto
the Father, but by me." (John 14:6) THAT'S
WHY: "...while we were yet sinners, Christ
died for us." (Rom. 5:8-9)

THEREFORE: You must REPENT (change your
mind); admit that you are a Hell deserving sinner
and can't save yourself. And call upon Christ, and
Him alone, to save you. "if thou shalt confess
with thy mouth the Lord Jesus [REPENT], and
shalt believe in thine heart [TRUST] that God
hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be
saved." Romans 10:9

The man hanging on the cross next to Jesus became a believer and was never baptized nor did anything for his new faith. Yet minutes later went to paradise with Jesus.

This is gonna be an all time classic. Here we go .............


---------------- Link?

Link? Hilarious. Here you are busy attempting to to reinterpret the Bible and you don’t even know Bible 101.

Luke 23:39-43

You do know that God has a special treat in store for those that conduct false teaching? No, you don’t. You didn’t even know about Luke 23:39-43. He does. Now you’ve been warned.

You should know this by now but when I say "Link?" it means I want a credible source to the assertion.

The Holey Babble is hardly a credible source.

Yet here you are bullshitting about how salvation works.

You are one total moron troll. Any more posts in this thread and the mods will be notified.

I uh, think the mods know by now that I post.

Wassamatta? Skeered?

Oh and incidentally I've posted NOTHING about "how salvation works". What was that jazz about conducting false witness again?