Pius XII and Cannonization.

[sealadaigh]

Press ReleasesDecember 21, 2009
UNITED STATES HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM STATEMENT ON POPE PIUS XII
At this time, as the possible canonization of Pope Pius XII moves forward, the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum repeats its call for the opening of all wartime material from the Vatican archives, so that scholars can finally begin the important work of examining and evaluating this crucial aspect of history.

The response of Eugenio Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) to the policies of the National Socialist regime - notably his failure to condemn publicly the genocide of the European Jews - has long been the topic of debate and controversy. At the time of the Holocaust, questions about Pius XII’s public silence were raised by Myron Taylor, the U.S. representative to the Vatican, and Taylor’s assistant Harold Tittman, who requested that the Holy See speak out on the issue.

The debate about Pius XII concerns both historical facts and larger moral questions. An understanding of his response to the murder of Europe’s Jews and the moral evaluation of his actions depend upon solid historical research. Such research will be possible only when all Vatican archival material from 1933 - 1945 is completely open and available to scholars of all disciplines. While the Museum has copies of some Vatican records prior to 1939 and there are other relevant archives, the opening of the post-1939 archival material is essential to a proper assessment of Pius XII. Only then will a sound and accurate portrait of his moral leadership during the Holocaust be possible.

A living memorial to the Holocaust, the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum was created to inspire leaders and citizens to confront hatred, prevent genocide, promote human dignity and strengthen democracy. Federal support guarantees the Museum’s permanence, and donors nationwide make possible its educational activities and global outreach. For more information, visit United States Holocaust Memorial Museum.

United States Holocaust Memorial Museum Statement on Pope Pius XII

why the hell are we doing this, promoting some hateful vendetta against the catholic church and pius xii? why is my money going to this?

jews should keep this one under their hats because there will be hell to pay if the catholic people find out.

 

[California Girl]

Catholics already know.

 

[sealadaigh]

Catholics already know.

they don't know about this press release, not the general population.

 

[California Girl]

Catholics already know.

they don't know about this press release, not the general population.

I'm Catholic and I knew. You really are quite intellectually challenged, aren't you?

 

[sealadaigh]

Catholics already know.

they don't know about this press release, not the general population.

I'm Catholic and I knew. You really are quite intellectually challenged, aren't you?

there is no need to insult me.

no, actually, i am quite intelligent. the fact that i am ignorant of some things, as we all are, is no indication of being intellectually challanged. jumping to conclusions however, with a limited amount of information, as you have just done, is such an indication.

do you actually mean to suggest that most american catholics know about this press release? i very sincerely doubt it.

 

[California Girl]

they don't know about this press release, not the general population.

I'm Catholic and I knew. You really are quite intellectually challenged, aren't you?

there is no need to insult me.

no, actually, i am quite intelligent. the fact that i am ignorant of some things, as we all are, is no indication of being intellectually challanged. jumping to conclusions however, with a limited amount of information, as you have just done, is such an indication.

do you actually mean to suggest that most american catholics know about this press release? i very sincerely doubt it.

Catholics, like blacks, hispanics, and everyone else, are individuals. There is no way to measure what 'Catholics' know.

The fact that you quote a release from 2009 like it's some big news is what makes me think you are intellectually challenged. If you don't want people to think you're stupid, don't act like a stupid person.

 

[irosie91]

Excuse me folks----I am not catholic---but I do recall the controversy
over PIUS and canonization------was that guy ever "canonized"

If a person gets "canonized" does he get a special "saint day"?

 

[Two Thumbs]

Press ReleasesDecember 21, 2009
UNITED STATES HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM STATEMENT ON POPE PIUS XII
At this time, as the possible canonization of Pope Pius XII moves forward, the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum repeats its call for the opening of all wartime material from the Vatican archives, so that scholars can finally begin the important work of examining and evaluating this crucial aspect of history.

The response of Eugenio Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) to the policies of the National Socialist regime - notably his failure to condemn publicly the genocide of the European Jews - has long been the topic of debate and controversy. At the time of the Holocaust, questions about Pius XII’s public silence were raised by Myron Taylor, the U.S. representative to the Vatican, and Taylor’s assistant Harold Tittman, who requested that the Holy See speak out on the issue.

The debate about Pius XII concerns both historical facts and larger moral questions. An understanding of his response to the murder of Europe’s Jews and the moral evaluation of his actions depend upon solid historical research. Such research will be possible only when all Vatican archival material from 1933 - 1945 is completely open and available to scholars of all disciplines. While the Museum has copies of some Vatican records prior to 1939 and there are other relevant archives, the opening of the post-1939 archival material is essential to a proper assessment of Pius XII. Only then will a sound and accurate portrait of his moral leadership during the Holocaust be possible.

A living memorial to the Holocaust, the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum was created to inspire leaders and citizens to confront hatred, prevent genocide, promote human dignity and strengthen democracy. Federal support guarantees the Museum’s permanence, and donors nationwide make possible its educational activities and global outreach. For more information, visit United States Holocaust Memorial Museum.

United States Holocaust Memorial Museum Statement on Pope Pius XII

why the hell are we doing this, promoting some hateful vendetta against the catholic church and pius xii? why is my money going to this?

jews should keep this one under their hats because there will be hell to pay if the catholic people find out.

Pius was a world leader during WW2, he met hitler, and hitler never attacked the Vatican. The church has tons of money, more than enough to have funded Germany for either more years or much better weapons.

I would like to know, KNOW, if Pius traded silence for safety.

and most museams are funded with tax money, if not all.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Excuse me folks----I am not catholic---but I do recall the controversy
over PIUS and canonization------was that guy ever "canonized"

If a person gets "canonized" does he get a special "saint day"?

yes, but there's so many saints, it likely won't be just his.

I saw a calender that listed the saints days, there 3 saints for every day.

 

[California Girl]

Excuse me folks----I am not catholic---but I do recall the controversy
over PIUS and canonization------was that guy ever "canonized"

If a person gets "canonized" does he get a special "saint day"?

If you're not Catholic, I don't see why it is of any relevance to you whether Pius XII is canonized or not. Canonization often takes decades - the Church does not rush to declare sainthood on many people.

This whole thread is drivel.

*unsubscribe*

 

[sealadaigh]

Excuse me folks----I am not catholic---but I do recall the controversy
over PIUS and canonization------was that guy ever "canonized"

If a person gets "canonized" does he get a special "saint day"?

he has been beatified. the next step is canonisation.

the catholic church has sstated that there is plenty of time to canonise him and does not want to do so under these conditions as they would tarnish the celebration.

there is not one single doubt in my mind that he will be canonised somday, perhaps soon.

that is not the question at hand.

the question at hand is why should my tapayer monies be used to prevent his canonisation and what business is it of the USHMM museum and the united states government to interfere with the internal business of the catholic church in matters such as these.

it is not like they are selling organs outside of the backs of vans in brooklyn.

pius zii has been praised by holocaust survivors and is recognised as having saved 600,000jews, not to mention all the jews that the church sheltered and saved due to his actions.

it would not surprise me one single bit if many of the jewish refugees killed by the haganah (which later became the core group to form the IDF) were jews rescued from the holocaust were rescued by catholics acting directly in response to some of pios xii words. maybe the USA should ask the IDF to open all their files. i am sure they would be more interesting than the vatican files.

 

[sealadaigh]

Press ReleasesDecember 21, 2009
UNITED STATES HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM STATEMENT ON POPE PIUS XII
At this time, as the possible canonization of Pope Pius XII moves forward, the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum repeats its call for the opening of all wartime material from the Vatican archives, so that scholars can finally begin the important work of examining and evaluating this crucial aspect of history.

The response of Eugenio Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) to the policies of the National Socialist regime - notably his failure to condemn publicly the genocide of the European Jews - has long been the topic of debate and controversy. At the time of the Holocaust, questions about Pius XII’s public silence were raised by Myron Taylor, the U.S. representative to the Vatican, and Taylor’s assistant Harold Tittman, who requested that the Holy See speak out on the issue.

The debate about Pius XII concerns both historical facts and larger moral questions. An understanding of his response to the murder of Europe’s Jews and the moral evaluation of his actions depend upon solid historical research. Such research will be possible only when all Vatican archival material from 1933 - 1945 is completely open and available to scholars of all disciplines. While the Museum has copies of some Vatican records prior to 1939 and there are other relevant archives, the opening of the post-1939 archival material is essential to a proper assessment of Pius XII. Only then will a sound and accurate portrait of his moral leadership during the Holocaust be possible.

A living memorial to the Holocaust, the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum was created to inspire leaders and citizens to confront hatred, prevent genocide, promote human dignity and strengthen democracy. Federal support guarantees the Museum’s permanence, and donors nationwide make possible its educational activities and global outreach. For more information, visit United States Holocaust Memorial Museum.

United States Holocaust Memorial Museum Statement on Pope Pius XII

why the hell are we doing this, promoting some hateful vendetta against the catholic church and pius xii? why is my money going to this?

jews should keep this one under their hats because there will be hell to pay if the catholic people find out.

Pius was a world leader during WW2, he met hitler, and hitler never attacked the Vatican. The church has tons of money, more than enough to have funded Germany for either more years or much better weapons.

I would like to know, KNOW, if Pius traded silence for safety.

and most museams are funded with tax money, if not all.

most american museums do not use their federal funds to go on witch hunts.

most american museums do not pursue such a specifisally hateful such as this.

 

[patrickcaturday]

I'm Catholic and I knew. You really are quite intellectually challenged, aren't you?

there is no need to insult me.

no, actually, i am quite intelligent. the fact that i am ignorant of some things, as we all are, is no indication of being intellectually challanged. jumping to conclusions however, with a limited amount of information, as you have just done, is such an indication.

do you actually mean to suggest that most american catholics know about this press release? i very sincerely doubt it.

Catholics, like blacks, hispanics, and everyone else, are individuals. There is no way to measure what 'Catholics' know.

The fact that you quote a release from 2009 like it's some big news is what makes me think you are intellectually challenged. If you don't want people to think you're stupid, don't act like a stupid person.

" If you don't want people to think you are stupid..." don't say stupid things. Being a Catholic myself, I am embarrassed that we share the same faith. It is obvious that you are not a product of Catholic Education because one of the foundations of that educational system is an ability to think with rigor and discipline " There is no way to measure what ' Catholics ' know " is a very stupid thing to say. Taking polls and applying rigorous statistical measurements is a scientific method to measure what large populations think.

Seal informed me of this article a couple of weeks ago because he wanted my imput on it. I told him that I was aware of the controversy regarding Pius the XII but I was not aware of what the USHMM was pursuing and told him that I would get back to him. After I thought about it I decided to ask some of my fellow parishioners, friends of mine, what they thought. Almost all of them knew about the controversy but none of them knew about the actions that the USHMM was taking and almost all of them when it was explained to them were befuddled by the fact that we were using our taxes to involve ourselves in a matter that would be better off left to the Catholics themselves.

I think the people who are behind this could spark a backlash if this becomes widely known also it would be interesting to see what constitutional lawyers would say about this as it seems to be a separation issue.

 

[irosie91]

People do not have a right to know about POPE PIUS or
even ask? ------the pius controversy is not new. I heard
about long long ago-----how does it come to be a
hate fest against catholics? My personal opinion of Pius
is that he was simply not up to the job.----a bit
incompetent

 

[Two Thumbs]

Press ReleasesDecember 21, 2009
UNITED STATES HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM STATEMENT ON POPE PIUS XII
At this time, as the possible canonization of Pope Pius XII moves forward, the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum repeats its call for the opening of all wartime material from the Vatican archives, so that scholars can finally begin the important work of examining and evaluating this crucial aspect of history.

The response of Eugenio Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) to the policies of the National Socialist regime - notably his failure to condemn publicly the genocide of the European Jews - has long been the topic of debate and controversy. At the time of the Holocaust, questions about Pius XII’s public silence were raised by Myron Taylor, the U.S. representative to the Vatican, and Taylor’s assistant Harold Tittman, who requested that the Holy See speak out on the issue.

The debate about Pius XII concerns both historical facts and larger moral questions. An understanding of his response to the murder of Europe’s Jews and the moral evaluation of his actions depend upon solid historical research. Such research will be possible only when all Vatican archival material from 1933 - 1945 is completely open and available to scholars of all disciplines. While the Museum has copies of some Vatican records prior to 1939 and there are other relevant archives, the opening of the post-1939 archival material is essential to a proper assessment of Pius XII. Only then will a sound and accurate portrait of his moral leadership during the Holocaust be possible.

A living memorial to the Holocaust, the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum was created to inspire leaders and citizens to confront hatred, prevent genocide, promote human dignity and strengthen democracy. Federal support guarantees the Museum’s permanence, and donors nationwide make possible its educational activities and global outreach. For more information, visit United States Holocaust Memorial Museum.

United States Holocaust Memorial Museum Statement on Pope Pius XII

why the hell are we doing this, promoting some hateful vendetta against the catholic church and pius xii? why is my money going to this?

jews should keep this one under their hats because there will be hell to pay if the catholic people find out.

Pius was a world leader during WW2, he met hitler, and hitler never attacked the Vatican. The church has tons of money, more than enough to have funded Germany for either more years or much better weapons.

I would like to know, KNOW, if Pius traded silence for safety.

and most museams are funded with tax money, if not all.

most american museums do not use their federal funds to go on witch hunts.

most american museums do not pursue such a specifisally hateful such as this.

learning all the facts isn't a witch hunt.

besides, we know the church will turn them down again.

 

[sealadaigh]

Press ReleasesDecember 21, 2009
UNITED STATES HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM STATEMENT ON POPE PIUS XII
At this time, as the possible canonization of Pope Pius XII moves forward, the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum repeats its call for the opening of all wartime material from the Vatican archives, so that scholars can finally begin the important work of examining and evaluating this crucial aspect of history.

The response of Eugenio Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) to the policies of the National Socialist regime - notably his failure to condemn publicly the genocide of the European Jews - has long been the topic of debate and controversy. At the time of the Holocaust, questions about Pius XII’s public silence were raised by Myron Taylor, the U.S. representative to the Vatican, and Taylor’s assistant Harold Tittman, who requested that the Holy See speak out on the issue.

The debate about Pius XII concerns both historical facts and larger moral questions. An understanding of his response to the murder of Europe’s Jews and the moral evaluation of his actions depend upon solid historical research. Such research will be possible only when all Vatican archival material from 1933 - 1945 is completely open and available to scholars of all disciplines. While the Museum has copies of some Vatican records prior to 1939 and there are other relevant archives, the opening of the post-1939 archival material is essential to a proper assessment of Pius XII. Only then will a sound and accurate portrait of his moral leadership during the Holocaust be possible.

A living memorial to the Holocaust, the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum was created to inspire leaders and citizens to confront hatred, prevent genocide, promote human dignity and strengthen democracy. Federal support guarantees the Museum’s permanence, and donors nationwide make possible its educational activities and global outreach. For more information, visit United States Holocaust Memorial Museum.

United States Holocaust Memorial Museum Statement on Pope Pius XII

why the hell are we doing this, promoting some hateful vendetta against the catholic church and pius xii? why is my money going to this?

jews should keep this one under their hats because there will be hell to pay if the catholic people find out.

Pius was a world leader during WW2, he met hitler, and hitler never attacked the Vatican. The church has tons of money, more than enough to have funded Germany for either more years or much better weapons.

I would like to know, KNOW, if Pius traded silence for safety.

and most museams are funded with tax money, if not all.

why on god's green earth would hitler aattack the vatican...to wipe out the swiss guards and to alienate mussolini?

the church was too busy funding the rescue of european jews than to fund the NAZIs.

look, i don't think the catholic church or catholics expect any show of gratitude for rescuing jews during the holocaust. we just don't like being lied about, demeaned, maligned, etc. and being held responsible for hitler's actions.

for the record, it was the catholic voting districts that overwhelming opposed the NAZIs and the lutherans who supported them...but what the heck...the lutherans are a decentralised religion so they are harder to run a vendetta against.

how, with boolshite like this jewish/federal interference with the mechanisms nof the catholic church should jewish people expect some sort of understanding from catholics.

 

[patrickcaturday]

Excuse me folks----I am not catholic---but I do recall the controversy
over PIUS and canonization------was that guy ever "canonized"

If a person gets "canonized" does he get a special "saint day"?

he has been beatified. the next step is canonisation.

the catholic church has sstated that there is plenty of time to canonise him and does not want to do so under these conditions as they would tarnish the celebration.

there is not one single doubt in my mind that he will be canonised somday, perhaps soon.

that is not the question at hand.

the question at hand is why should my tapayer monies be used to prevent his canonisation and what business is it of the USHMM museum and the united states government to interfere with the internal business of the catholic church in matters such as these.

it is not like they are selling organs outside of the backs of vans in brooklyn.

pius zii has been praised by holocaust survivors and is recognised as having saved 600,000jews, not to mention all the jews that the church sheltered and saved due to his actions.

it would not surprise me one single bit if many of the jewish refugees killed by the haganah (which later became the core group to form the IDF) were jews rescued from the holocaust were rescued by catholics acting directly in response to some of pios xii words. maybe the USA should ask the IDF to open all their files. i am sure they would be more interesting than the vatican files.

Just to be statistically correct the historically recognized number of Itallian Jews that were saved by Pius the XII was 780,000.

 

[sealadaigh]

Pius was a world leader during WW2, he met hitler, and hitler never attacked the Vatican. The church has tons of money, more than enough to have funded Germany for either more years or much better weapons.

I would like to know, KNOW, if Pius traded silence for safety.

and most museams are funded with tax money, if not all.

most american museums do not use their federal funds to go on witch hunts.

most american museums do not pursue such a specifisally hateful such as this.

learning all the facts isn't a witch hunt.

besides, we know the church will turn them down again.

mentioning canonisation makes it a witch hunt.

and why shouldn't the vatican turn them down.

we know what it is all about. the catholics opposed the NAZIs for the most part while the jews went meekly to their deaths. even mussolini resisted the extermination of the jews and was allied with hitler due to the socialism v. communism thing.

maybe if jewish people were not so god damned ethnocentric they would realise that WWII was not just about the jews. jews, in fact, had very little to do with it. the catholic church and catholics opposed hitler and saved more jewish people than any other group of people.

 

[patrickcaturday]

he has been beatified. the next step is canonisation.

the catholic church has sstated that there is plenty of time to canonise him and does not want to do so under these conditions as they would tarnish the celebration.

there is not one single doubt in my mind that he will be canonised somday, perhaps soon.

that is not the question at hand.

the question at hand is why should my tapayer monies be used to prevent his canonisation and what business is it of the USHMM museum and the united states government to interfere with the internal business of the catholic church in matters such as these.

it is not like they are selling organs outside of the backs of vans in brooklyn.

pius zii has been praised by holocaust survivors and is recognised as having saved 600,000jews, not to mention all the jews that the church sheltered and saved due to his actions.

it would not surprise me one single bit if many of the jewish refugees killed by the haganah (which later became the core group to form the IDF) were jews rescued from the holocaust were rescued by catholics acting directly in response to some of pios xii words. maybe the USA should ask the IDF to open all their files. i am sure they would be more interesting than the vatican files.

Just to be statistically correct the historically recognized number of Itallian Jews that were saved by Pius the XII was 780,000.

One of the things that make this interesting and relevant ( sp ) to this thread is that you could almost say the Pius the XII could be held responcible for helping to create Israel. It would be interesting to see how many of those 780,000 saved Jews helped to create an independent Isreal.

 

[t_polkow]

Strange how the catholic church never excommunicated their boy hitler

Even as late as 1941 Hitler told one of his generals: “I am now, as before, a Catholic and will always remain so.”


After 60 long years and countless witnesses and evidence of their evil, why the Vatican has not excommunicated Roman Catholic leader Adolf Hitler?
Under considérant Sané Bull (1317 / issued by Pope John XXII (which has never been revoked) permits of deceased persons to be convicted of heresy and after that being excommunicated, including all their assets confiscated . Tens of thousands of people during the past seven one hundred years have been excommunicated and convicted under the law of the Catholic Church.
So why not Hitler? There is absolutely no doubt that Hitler was baptized and confirmed as a Roman Catholic. So why the church refused to excommunicate him, by their own laws long?


http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm