Planned Parenthood caught trafficking in human body parts

[sakinago]

What you think about it matters to no one but you.

So even after being asked direct question and not to quote some article you are clueless about you did just exactly that with an ad hominem for good measure.

It is apparent an intelligent conversation is beyond your abilities.

No it is not just me but those who read this thread in silence.

I provided you with the actual abstract from the article that Ben Carson wrote. And, you lying prick, I answered your question. Neither your nor I are qualified to discuss the scientific basis of the research. So, I provided you with what those who are experts have said about the necessity of the research. Can you offer anything from an expert in this field that disputes the necessity of such research? No? Then shut the fuck up.

Yes, you do that. Just accept blindly what people you idolize tell you.

And why do you idolize them? You idolize them because they use the product of abortion and dead babies' flesh. You think that makes them special.

Yuck.

People I idolize. There are several doctors quote in there who do the research. Dr. Carson did the research and defends it. You know nothing about the research. You don't care how much it can help. You don't care about women being victimized. Any lie you can tell to achieve your goal of banning reproductive freedom for women is ok.

Yes let's cannibalize our unwanted young to increase our own life span. What a wonderful society we are

 

[paddymurphy]

What you think about it matters to no one but you.

So even after being asked direct question and not to quote some article you are clueless about you did just exactly that with an ad hominem for good measure.

It is apparent an intelligent conversation is beyond your abilities.

No it is not just me but those who read this thread in silence.

I provided you with the actual abstract from the article that Ben Carson wrote. And, you lying prick, I answered your question. Neither your nor I are qualified to discuss the scientific basis of the research. So, I provided you with what those who are experts have said about the necessity of the research. Can you offer anything from an expert in this field that disputes the necessity of such research? No? Then shut the fuck up.

Yes, you do that. Just accept blindly what people you idolize tell you.

And why do you idolize them? You idolize them because they use the product of abortion and dead babies' flesh. You think that makes them special.

Yuck.

People I idolize. There are several doctors quote in there who do the research. Dr. Carson did the research and defends it. You know nothing about the research. You don't care how much it can help. You don't care about women being victimized. Any lie you can tell to achieve your goal of banning reproductive freedom for women is ok.

Yes let's cannibalize our unwanted young to increase our own life span. What a wonderful society we are

So, you would ban organ transplants, then? The abortions do not take place so that fetal tissue can be obtained. You do know that, right? So, if the abortion is happening, what, again, is the problem with using the tissue for medical research? How is that any different from using organs for transplant or tissue for research from a person who has died?

 

[paddymurphy]

I see you are still being nasty and seeing how you keep dodging my specific medical questions and using ad hominems, I contend not only are you not intelligent enough to discuss it but have no actual idea's as to what I am qualified to discuss.

So as a little ignorant law clerk you really think you have a MENSA level IQ, I'm guessing by the ducking, dodging and vehement outburst you don't.

I did not dodge. Them how fucking stupid can you be to think that. I have a pretty good idea what you are qualified to discuss. Not much. Are you a physician? No. A medical researcher? No. Do you even have a degree in biology or chemistry or some field related to biomedical research? No. You are an asshole who reads right wing talking points and regurgitates them, pretending to know what you are posting. I have answered your question by telling you that I am not qualified to discuss the scientific basis of fetal tissue research. Neither are you. I cited what those who are qualified have so say. Can you refute them? No. Can you explain what the hell you think the researchers are doing with the fetal tissue if they are not conducting research? Was Dr. Carson lying in his research study when he described the results of his research? Funny that you would accuse me of overestimating my intelligence when I am the one admitting I have no understanding of the scientific basis for fetal research. What is your education and training that makes you qualified?

 

[paddymurphy]

Catchy phrase, "reproductive freedom" in an abortion thread ...............

Talk about irony ...................

You have a problem with freedom? You pricks want to ban abortion, birth control, sex education and anything that might give a woman control over her reproductive life.

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

Catchy phrase, "reproductive freedom" in an abortion thread ...............

Talk about irony ...................

You have a problem with freedom? You pricks want to ban abortion, birth control, sex education and anything that might give a woman control over her reproductive life.

Keep your legs shut, has worked since the creation of time, no one can take that.

I see nothing but ad hominems which I am going to start flagging.

 

[paddymurphy]

Catchy phrase, "reproductive freedom" in an abortion thread ...............

Talk about irony ...................

You have a problem with freedom? You pricks want to ban abortion, birth control, sex education and anything that might give a woman control over her reproductive life.

Keep your legs shut, has worked since the creation of time, no one can take that.

I see nothing but ad hominems which I am going to start flagging.

You assholes want to ban birth control, abortion and sex education and anything that might want to give a woman control over her reproductive freedom. That better, prick?

Thanks for sharing the asshole's version of reproductive freedom. Pretty much what one would expect from you neanderthals.

 

[paddymurphy]

Catchy phrase, "reproductive freedom" in an abortion thread ...............

Talk about irony ...................

You have a problem with freedom? You pricks want to ban abortion, birth control, sex education and anything that might give a woman control over her reproductive life.

Keep your legs shut, has worked since the creation of time, no one can take that.

I see nothing but ad hominems which I am going to start flagging.

 

[koshergrl]

So even after being asked direct question and not to quote some article you are clueless about you did just exactly that with an ad hominem for good measure.

It is apparent an intelligent conversation is beyond your abilities.

No it is not just me but those who read this thread in silence.

I provided you with the actual abstract from the article that Ben Carson wrote. And, you lying prick, I answered your question. Neither your nor I are qualified to discuss the scientific basis of the research. So, I provided you with what those who are experts have said about the necessity of the research. Can you offer anything from an expert in this field that disputes the necessity of such research? No? Then shut the fuck up.

Yes, you do that. Just accept blindly what people you idolize tell you.

And why do you idolize them? You idolize them because they use the product of abortion and dead babies' flesh. You think that makes them special.

Yuck.

People I idolize. There are several doctors quote in there who do the research. Dr. Carson did the research and defends it. You know nothing about the research. You don't care how much it can help. You don't care about women being victimized. Any lie you can tell to achieve your goal of banning reproductive freedom for women is ok.

Yes let's cannibalize our unwanted young to increase our own life span. What a wonderful society we are

So, you would ban organ transplants, then? The abortions do not take place so that fetal tissue can be obtained. You do know that, right? So, if the abortion is happening, what, again, is the problem with using the tissue for medical research? How is that any different from using organs for transplant or tissue for research from a person who has died?

When they are caught selling dead babies for $$, then the potential is absolutely there that they're doing it to obtain the *tissue*. That's why it's illegal.

I have come to the conclusion that either there is no intelligent progressive on the planet, or they simply don't come here.

 

[paddymurphy]

I provided you with the actual abstract from the article that Ben Carson wrote. And, you lying prick, I answered your question. Neither your nor I are qualified to discuss the scientific basis of the research. So, I provided you with what those who are experts have said about the necessity of the research. Can you offer anything from an expert in this field that disputes the necessity of such research? No? Then shut the fuck up.

Yes, you do that. Just accept blindly what people you idolize tell you.

And why do you idolize them? You idolize them because they use the product of abortion and dead babies' flesh. You think that makes them special.

Yuck.

People I idolize. There are several doctors quote in there who do the research. Dr. Carson did the research and defends it. You know nothing about the research. You don't care how much it can help. You don't care about women being victimized. Any lie you can tell to achieve your goal of banning reproductive freedom for women is ok.

Yes let's cannibalize our unwanted young to increase our own life span. What a wonderful society we are

So, you would ban organ transplants, then? The abortions do not take place so that fetal tissue can be obtained. You do know that, right? So, if the abortion is happening, what, again, is the problem with using the tissue for medical research? How is that any different from using organs for transplant or tissue for research from a person who has died?

When they are caught selling dead babies for $$, then the potential is absolutely there that they're doing it to obtain the *tissue*. That's why it's illegal.

I have come to the conclusion that either there is no intelligent progressive on the planet, or they simply don't come here.

Well, when someone is caught selling dead babies, you let us know. It is, and should be, illegal to sell organs for transplant; to sell tissue for research; or to sell fetal tissue for research. No one disputes that. You repeatedly claim that we defend the selling of such tissue when, in fact, we don't. It is simply not true that the video provide convincing evidence that what you claim is happening, is happening.

 

[koshergrl]

Yes, you do that. Just accept blindly what people you idolize tell you.

And why do you idolize them? You idolize them because they use the product of abortion and dead babies' flesh. You think that makes them special.

Yuck.

People I idolize. There are several doctors quote in there who do the research. Dr. Carson did the research and defends it. You know nothing about the research. You don't care how much it can help. You don't care about women being victimized. Any lie you can tell to achieve your goal of banning reproductive freedom for women is ok.

Yes let's cannibalize our unwanted young to increase our own life span. What a wonderful society we are

So, you would ban organ transplants, then? The abortions do not take place so that fetal tissue can be obtained. You do know that, right? So, if the abortion is happening, what, again, is the problem with using the tissue for medical research? How is that any different from using organs for transplant or tissue for research from a person who has died?

When they are caught selling dead babies for $$, then the potential is absolutely there that they're doing it to obtain the *tissue*. That's why it's illegal.

I have come to the conclusion that either there is no intelligent progressive on the planet, or they simply don't come here.

Well, when someone is caught selling dead babies, you let us know. It is, and should be, illegal to sell organs for transplant; to sell tissue for research; or to sell fetal tissue for research. No one disputes that. You repeatedly claim that we defend the selling of such tissue when, in fact, we don't. It is simply not true that the video provide convincing evidence that what you claim is happening, is happening.

Multiple someones have been caught. You are just pretending it didn't happen, so you can protect the butchers who abuse women and sell dead babies.

 

[paddymurphy]

People I idolize. There are several doctors quote in there who do the research. Dr. Carson did the research and defends it. You know nothing about the research. You don't care how much it can help. You don't care about women being victimized. Any lie you can tell to achieve your goal of banning reproductive freedom for women is ok.

Yes let's cannibalize our unwanted young to increase our own life span. What a wonderful society we are

So, you would ban organ transplants, then? The abortions do not take place so that fetal tissue can be obtained. You do know that, right? So, if the abortion is happening, what, again, is the problem with using the tissue for medical research? How is that any different from using organs for transplant or tissue for research from a person who has died?

When they are caught selling dead babies for $$, then the potential is absolutely there that they're doing it to obtain the *tissue*. That's why it's illegal.

I have come to the conclusion that either there is no intelligent progressive on the planet, or they simply don't come here.

Well, when someone is caught selling dead babies, you let us know. It is, and should be, illegal to sell organs for transplant; to sell tissue for research; or to sell fetal tissue for research. No one disputes that. You repeatedly claim that we defend the selling of such tissue when, in fact, we don't. It is simply not true that the video provide convincing evidence that what you claim is happening, is happening.

Multiple someones have been caught. You are just pretending it didn't happen, so you can protect the butchers who abuse women and sell dead babies.

Again, your concern is with the "butchers." You do not care about women. You do not care about research. You will use anything you can to try to ban abortion. You are lying if you deny that.

 

[sakinago]

So even after being asked direct question and not to quote some article you are clueless about you did just exactly that with an ad hominem for good measure.

It is apparent an intelligent conversation is beyond your abilities.

No it is not just me but those who read this thread in silence.

I provided you with the actual abstract from the article that Ben Carson wrote. And, you lying prick, I answered your question. Neither your nor I are qualified to discuss the scientific basis of the research. So, I provided you with what those who are experts have said about the necessity of the research. Can you offer anything from an expert in this field that disputes the necessity of such research? No? Then shut the fuck up.

Yes, you do that. Just accept blindly what people you idolize tell you.

And why do you idolize them? You idolize them because they use the product of abortion and dead babies' flesh. You think that makes them special.

Yuck.

People I idolize. There are several doctors quote in there who do the research. Dr. Carson did the research and defends it. You know nothing about the research. You don't care how much it can help. You don't care about women being victimized. Any lie you can tell to achieve your goal of banning reproductive freedom for women is ok.

Yes let's cannibalize our unwanted young to increase our own life span. What a wonderful society we are

So, you would ban organ transplants, then? The abortions do not take place so that fetal tissue can be obtained. You do know that, right? So, if the abortion is happening, what, again, is the problem with using the tissue for medical research? How is that any different from using organs for transplant or tissue for research from a person who has died?

Who said anything about organ transplant??? Nice straw man on a totally separate issue. I'm on record saying if that's how you feel about abortion, go ahed and donate the parts. But the people here championing abortion can't answer a simple question of do you take schiavo off of life support if the doctor says give her 4 months and she'll be fine. If you are so secure in supporting abortion then answer the damn question. And then try to explain the difference when that is done to a baby

 

[koshergrl]

Yes let's cannibalize our unwanted young to increase our own life span. What a wonderful society we are

So, you would ban organ transplants, then? The abortions do not take place so that fetal tissue can be obtained. You do know that, right? So, if the abortion is happening, what, again, is the problem with using the tissue for medical research? How is that any different from using organs for transplant or tissue for research from a person who has died?

When they are caught selling dead babies for $$, then the potential is absolutely there that they're doing it to obtain the *tissue*. That's why it's illegal.

I have come to the conclusion that either there is no intelligent progressive on the planet, or they simply don't come here.

Well, when someone is caught selling dead babies, you let us know. It is, and should be, illegal to sell organs for transplant; to sell tissue for research; or to sell fetal tissue for research. No one disputes that. You repeatedly claim that we defend the selling of such tissue when, in fact, we don't. It is simply not true that the video provide convincing evidence that what you claim is happening, is happening.

Multiple someones have been caught. You are just pretending it didn't happen, so you can protect the butchers who abuse women and sell dead babies.

Again, your concern is with the "butchers." You do not care about women. You do not care about research. You will use anything you can to try to ban abortion. You are lying if you deny that.

No, my concern is to protect vulnerable women from being abused and killed by butchers who want to harvest and sell their babies. My concern is to protect women from the abusers who force them to get late term abortions in the first place, and who force them to get abortions at any stage in order to hide crimes like child sexual abuse, incest, human trafficking, and sex trafficking....people who abuse and kill women, and who do it with the complicit encouragement and assistance of Planned Parenthood.

 

[paddymurphy]

I provided you with the actual abstract from the article that Ben Carson wrote. And, you lying prick, I answered your question. Neither your nor I are qualified to discuss the scientific basis of the research. So, I provided you with what those who are experts have said about the necessity of the research. Can you offer anything from an expert in this field that disputes the necessity of such research? No? Then shut the fuck up.

Yes, you do that. Just accept blindly what people you idolize tell you.

And why do you idolize them? You idolize them because they use the product of abortion and dead babies' flesh. You think that makes them special.

Yuck.

People I idolize. There are several doctors quote in there who do the research. Dr. Carson did the research and defends it. You know nothing about the research. You don't care how much it can help. You don't care about women being victimized. Any lie you can tell to achieve your goal of banning reproductive freedom for women is ok.

Yes let's cannibalize our unwanted young to increase our own life span. What a wonderful society we are

So, you would ban organ transplants, then? The abortions do not take place so that fetal tissue can be obtained. You do know that, right? So, if the abortion is happening, what, again, is the problem with using the tissue for medical research? How is that any different from using organs for transplant or tissue for research from a person who has died?

Who said anything about organ transplant??? Nice straw man on a totally separate issue. I'm on record saying if that's how you feel about abortion, go ahed and donate the parts. But the people here championing abortion can't answer a simple question of do you take schiavo off of life support if the doctor says give her 4 months and she'll be fine. If you are so secure in supporting abortion then answer the damn question. And then try to explain the difference when that is done to a baby

Right over your head, huh? Explain the difference, ethically, between using the tissue from dead fetuses and using the tissue from dead people. If is it morally and ethically acceptable to use tissue donated by the relatives of a dead person either for research or for direct transplantation to liver recipients, why it is not morally or ethically acceptable to use tissue donated by the mothers of an aborted fetus for research? And if it is permissible for the hospital that recovers the organ or preserves the tissue for research to be reimbursed for the cost of services done in connection with that, why it is wrong for Planned Parenthood to similarly be reimbursed for the cost it incurs in securing, storing and transporting the fetal tissue to the researcher?

 

[paddymurphy]

So, you would ban organ transplants, then? The abortions do not take place so that fetal tissue can be obtained. You do know that, right? So, if the abortion is happening, what, again, is the problem with using the tissue for medical research? How is that any different from using organs for transplant or tissue for research from a person who has died?

When they are caught selling dead babies for $$, then the potential is absolutely there that they're doing it to obtain the *tissue*. That's why it's illegal.

I have come to the conclusion that either there is no intelligent progressive on the planet, or they simply don't come here.

Well, when someone is caught selling dead babies, you let us know. It is, and should be, illegal to sell organs for transplant; to sell tissue for research; or to sell fetal tissue for research. No one disputes that. You repeatedly claim that we defend the selling of such tissue when, in fact, we don't. It is simply not true that the video provide convincing evidence that what you claim is happening, is happening.

Multiple someones have been caught. You are just pretending it didn't happen, so you can protect the butchers who abuse women and sell dead babies.

Again, your concern is with the "butchers." You do not care about women. You do not care about research. You will use anything you can to try to ban abortion. You are lying if you deny that.

No, my concern is to protect vulnerable women from being abused and killed by butchers who want to harvest and sell their babies. My concern is to protect women from the abusers who force them to get late term abortions in the first place, and who force them to get abortions at any stage in order to hide crimes like child sexual abuse, incest, human trafficking, and sex trafficking....people who abuse and kill women, and who do it with the complicit encouragement and assistance of Planned Parenthood.

You are a liar. You have no concern for women. they are not being abused or killed by butchers. If your goal to ban all abortions is reached, there will be Kermit Gosnells in ever town, performing illegal and unsafe abortions; just like there was before Roe v. Wade. You would rather see a woman die at the hands of a Kermit Gosnell than be able to secure an abortion in a properly licensed clinic with medical professionals performing the procedures. Your delusion are growing. Late term abortions are illegal other than to save the life or preserve the health of the mother. They make up a tiny percentage of all abortions. You have absolutely no proof of your deluded claims about sex trafficking and the rest of that nonsense. You want to see women die rather than have the ability to either prevent or terminate an unwanted pregnancy. You are a vile and hatefilled person.

 

[koshergrl]

Yes, you do that. Just accept blindly what people you idolize tell you.

And why do you idolize them? You idolize them because they use the product of abortion and dead babies' flesh. You think that makes them special.

Yuck.

People I idolize. There are several doctors quote in there who do the research. Dr. Carson did the research and defends it. You know nothing about the research. You don't care how much it can help. You don't care about women being victimized. Any lie you can tell to achieve your goal of banning reproductive freedom for women is ok.

Yes let's cannibalize our unwanted young to increase our own life span. What a wonderful society we are

So, you would ban organ transplants, then? The abortions do not take place so that fetal tissue can be obtained. You do know that, right? So, if the abortion is happening, what, again, is the problem with using the tissue for medical research? How is that any different from using organs for transplant or tissue for research from a person who has died?

Who said anything about organ transplant??? Nice straw man on a totally separate issue. I'm on record saying if that's how you feel about abortion, go ahed and donate the parts. But the people here championing abortion can't answer a simple question of do you take schiavo off of life support if the doctor says give her 4 months and she'll be fine. If you are so secure in supporting abortion then answer the damn question. And then try to explain the difference when that is done to a baby

Right over your head, huh? Explain the difference, ethically, between using the tissue from dead fetuses and using the tissue from dead people. If is it morally and ethically acceptable to use tissue donated by the relatives of a dead person either for research or for direct transplantation to liver recipients, why it is not morally or ethically acceptable to use tissue donated by the mothers of an aborted fetus for research? And if it is permissible for the hospital that recovers the organ or preserves the tissue for research to be reimbursed for the cost of services done in connection with that, why it is wrong for Planned Parenthood to similarly be reimbursed for the cost it incurs in securing, storing and transporting the fetal tissue to the researcher?

You're talking to an issue that nobody else is speaking to. That isn't the discussion here. The discussion is...should PP be funded by the government when #1, they're illegally selling dead babies and altering procedures to facilitate that (both of which are straight up criminal), and #2, they're supposed to be protecting the interests of the woman at all costs....which they obviously don't.

The answer is of course not. They should be prosecuted as the criminals they are, and the money the government has been giving to them should to to other women's clinics (of which there are many).

 

[koshergrl]

When they are caught selling dead babies for $$, then the potential is absolutely there that they're doing it to obtain the *tissue*. That's why it's illegal.

I have come to the conclusion that either there is no intelligent progressive on the planet, or they simply don't come here.

Well, when someone is caught selling dead babies, you let us know. It is, and should be, illegal to sell organs for transplant; to sell tissue for research; or to sell fetal tissue for research. No one disputes that. You repeatedly claim that we defend the selling of such tissue when, in fact, we don't. It is simply not true that the video provide convincing evidence that what you claim is happening, is happening.

Multiple someones have been caught. You are just pretending it didn't happen, so you can protect the butchers who abuse women and sell dead babies.

Again, your concern is with the "butchers." You do not care about women. You do not care about research. You will use anything you can to try to ban abortion. You are lying if you deny that.

No, my concern is to protect vulnerable women from being abused and killed by butchers who want to harvest and sell their babies. My concern is to protect women from the abusers who force them to get late term abortions in the first place, and who force them to get abortions at any stage in order to hide crimes like child sexual abuse, incest, human trafficking, and sex trafficking....people who abuse and kill women, and who do it with the complicit encouragement and assistance of Planned Parenthood.

You are a liar. You have no concern for women. they are not being abused or killed by butchers. If your goal to ban all abortions is reached, there will be Kermit Gosnells in ever town, performing illegal and unsafe abortions; just like there was before Roe v. Wade. You would rather see a woman die at the hands of a Kermit Gosnell than be able to secure an abortion in a properly licensed clinic with medical professionals performing the procedures. Your delusion are growing. Late term abortions are illegal other than to save the life or preserve the health of the mother. They make up a tiny percentage of all abortions. You have absolutely no proof of your deluded claims about sex trafficking and the rest of that nonsense. You want to see women die rather than have the ability to either prevent or terminate an unwanted pregnancy. You are a vile and hatefilled person.

So you maintain that it's good that Planned Parenthood lies to women, takes advantage of women, kills women, and sells their babies.

I suppose somebody has to do it..after all, you can't be everywhere at once!

 

[sakinago]

Yes, you do that. Just accept blindly what people you idolize tell you.

And why do you idolize them? You idolize them because they use the product of abortion and dead babies' flesh. You think that makes them special.

Yuck.

People I idolize. There are several doctors quote in there who do the research. Dr. Carson did the research and defends it. You know nothing about the research. You don't care how much it can help. You don't care about women being victimized. Any lie you can tell to achieve your goal of banning reproductive freedom for women is ok.

Yes let's cannibalize our unwanted young to increase our own life span. What a wonderful society we are

So, you would ban organ transplants, then? The abortions do not take place so that fetal tissue can be obtained. You do know that, right? So, if the abortion is happening, what, again, is the problem with using the tissue for medical research? How is that any different from using organs for transplant or tissue for research from a person who has died?

Who said anything about organ transplant??? Nice straw man on a totally separate issue. I'm on record saying if that's how you feel about abortion, go ahed and donate the parts. But the people here championing abortion can't answer a simple question of do you take schiavo off of life support if the doctor says give her 4 months and she'll be fine. If you are so secure in supporting abortion then answer the damn question. And then try to explain the difference when that is done to a baby

Right over your head, huh? Explain the difference, ethically, between using the tissue from dead fetuses and using the tissue from dead people. If is it morally and ethically acceptable to use tissue donated by the relatives of a dead person either for research or for direct transplantation to liver recipients, why it is not morally or ethically acceptable to use tissue donated by the mothers of an aborted fetus for research? And if it is permissible for the hospital that recovers the organ or preserves the tissue for research to be reimbursed for the cost of services done in connection with that, why it is wrong for Planned Parenthood to similarly be reimbursed for the cost it incurs in securing, storing and transporting the fetal tissue to the researcher?

One set of organs are coming from unfortunate unwanted death, the other organs are coming from someone who volunteered death for another, and then said go ahed take the organs. The difference is the cause of death. If you support that so much then we should force those we give the death penalty to, to harvest their organs

 

[paddymurphy]

People I idolize. There are several doctors quote in there who do the research. Dr. Carson did the research and defends it. You know nothing about the research. You don't care how much it can help. You don't care about women being victimized. Any lie you can tell to achieve your goal of banning reproductive freedom for women is ok.

Yes let's cannibalize our unwanted young to increase our own life span. What a wonderful society we are

So, you would ban organ transplants, then? The abortions do not take place so that fetal tissue can be obtained. You do know that, right? So, if the abortion is happening, what, again, is the problem with using the tissue for medical research? How is that any different from using organs for transplant or tissue for research from a person who has died?

Who said anything about organ transplant??? Nice straw man on a totally separate issue. I'm on record saying if that's how you feel about abortion, go ahed and donate the parts. But the people here championing abortion can't answer a simple question of do you take schiavo off of life support if the doctor says give her 4 months and she'll be fine. If you are so secure in supporting abortion then answer the damn question. And then try to explain the difference when that is done to a baby

Right over your head, huh? Explain the difference, ethically, between using the tissue from dead fetuses and using the tissue from dead people. If is it morally and ethically acceptable to use tissue donated by the relatives of a dead person either for research or for direct transplantation to liver recipients, why it is not morally or ethically acceptable to use tissue donated by the mothers of an aborted fetus for research? And if it is permissible for the hospital that recovers the organ or preserves the tissue for research to be reimbursed for the cost of services done in connection with that, why it is wrong for Planned Parenthood to similarly be reimbursed for the cost it incurs in securing, storing and transporting the fetal tissue to the researcher?

You're talking to an issue that nobody else is speaking to. That isn't the discussion here. The discussion is...should PP be funded by the government when #1, they're illegally selling dead babies and altering procedures to facilitate that (both of which are straight up criminal), and #2, they're supposed to be protecting the interests of the woman at all costs....which they obviously don't.

The answer is of course not. They should be prosecuted as the criminals they are, and the money the government has been giving to them should to to other women's clinics (of which there are many).

Of course you would be too much of a pussy to not answer those questions. And, actually, that is the issue. Is it unethical for an organization to be reimbursed for costs associated with the collection, preservation and transportation of human tissue. You do believe that there is no difference between a fetus at 15 weeks gestation and a fully grown human, right? They are both people entitled to full protection of the law, according to you. Then why is it not appropriate to apply the same principles to the retrieval and use of all human tissue, whenever and wherever obtained? If Planned Parenthood only received reimbursement for their actual cost and did not alter the procedures in a manner that increased the risk to the woman, you would be ok with using fetal tissue in research, right? Since the government gives no money that is used for abortion, why would you deny Planned Parenthood the money they use to provide contraception; to provide pap smears and mammograms; to treat sexually transmitted diseases? Why end support for those things?

 

[koshergrl]

Yes let's cannibalize our unwanted young to increase our own life span. What a wonderful society we are

So, you would ban organ transplants, then? The abortions do not take place so that fetal tissue can be obtained. You do know that, right? So, if the abortion is happening, what, again, is the problem with using the tissue for medical research? How is that any different from using organs for transplant or tissue for research from a person who has died?

Who said anything about organ transplant??? Nice straw man on a totally separate issue. I'm on record saying if that's how you feel about abortion, go ahed and donate the parts. But the people here championing abortion can't answer a simple question of do you take schiavo off of life support if the doctor says give her 4 months and she'll be fine. If you are so secure in supporting abortion then answer the damn question. And then try to explain the difference when that is done to a baby

Right over your head, huh? Explain the difference, ethically, between using the tissue from dead fetuses and using the tissue from dead people. If is it morally and ethically acceptable to use tissue donated by the relatives of a dead person either for research or for direct transplantation to liver recipients, why it is not morally or ethically acceptable to use tissue donated by the mothers of an aborted fetus for research? And if it is permissible for the hospital that recovers the organ or preserves the tissue for research to be reimbursed for the cost of services done in connection with that, why it is wrong for Planned Parenthood to similarly be reimbursed for the cost it incurs in securing, storing and transporting the fetal tissue to the researcher?

You're talking to an issue that nobody else is speaking to. That isn't the discussion here. The discussion is...should PP be funded by the government when #1, they're illegally selling dead babies and altering procedures to facilitate that (both of which are straight up criminal), and #2, they're supposed to be protecting the interests of the woman at all costs....which they obviously don't.

The answer is of course not. They should be prosecuted as the criminals they are, and the money the government has been giving to them should to to other women's clinics (of which there are many).

Of course you would be too much of a pussy to not answer those questions. And, actually, that is the issue. Is it unethical for an organization to be reimbursed for costs associated with the collection, preservation and transportation of human tissue. You do believe that there is no difference between a fetus at 15 weeks gestation and a fully grown human, right? They are both people entitled to full protection of the law, according to you. Then why is it not appropriate to apply the same principles to the retrieval and use of all human tissue, whenever and wherever obtained? If Planned Parenthood only received reimbursement for their actual cost and did not alter the procedures in a manner that increased the risk to the woman, you would be ok with using fetal tissue in research, right? Since the government gives no money that is used for abortion, why would you deny Planned Parenthood the money they use to provide contraception; to provide pap smears and mammograms; to treat sexually transmitted diseases? Why end support for those things?

Other clinics do all that stuff, much better. And they don't sell dead babies or work with pimps and human traffickers to abuse women.