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So a winger from one end shoots a Congressman from the other end, and we on USMB take that serious and thought-provoking occasion to keep right on attacking, mocking & insulting each other. Pretty much immediately.
Tell me, what is the goal of non-stop attacks on the other side?
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And with that busy schedule, I can't waste time with mental midgets who duck every question, try to label me as stuff I never will be or educating them with "links" to stuff that anybody who watches Jimmy Kimmel would already know..... Geezzz.... 
He's as high & mighty as it gets here, constantly belittling people, and that's saying something. He's just desperate to change the subject.I assure you......you are not alone in that fight.
Of course he isn't. You conservatives always form your little little mobs to help each other deflect. You have to, because none of you can face a liberal in an honest discussion. Intellectual cowardice is the defining trait of the modern conservative, along with butthurt.
TTFN. I'm off to carve some notches.
Really??? I seem to remember we've (you & I) had some of those 'discussions' and you've always been the one to deflect the issue, calling names like a 6 yo, and hurling insults in a panic.........just before you ran off in silence because I used your own words against you and that was just a few days ago......similar to post #170 here. Where you were telling Mac1958 how he was being what? 'High &mighty and self important'??? Or something to that same effect.
Anytime you want to have an HONEST DISCUSSION.......without the petty chit.....and I do mean a RESPECTFUL discussion or debate, you just let me
know.
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True, hadn't thought of that. Come to think of it, there are times I take a deep breath and just go away. What's the old saying: Never wrestle with pigs; you just get dirty and the pig likes it.So a winger from one end shoots a Congressman from the other end, and we on USMB take that serious and thought-provoking occasion to keep right on attacking, mocking & insulting each other. Pretty much immediately.
Tell me, what is the goal of non-stop attacks on the other side?
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You left out the possibility that it's simple frustration. I should know. I have more targets to attack than most.
He's as high & mighty as it gets here, constantly belittling people, and that's saying something. He's just desperate to change the subject.I assure you......you are not alone in that fight.
Of course he isn't. You conservatives always form your little little mobs to help each other deflect. You have to, because none of you can face a liberal in an honest discussion. Intellectual cowardice is the defining trait of the modern conservative, along with butthurt.
TTFN. I'm off to carve some notches.
Really??? I seem to remember we've (you & I) had some of those 'discussions' and you've always been the one to deflect the issue, calling names like a 6 yo, and hurling insults in a panic.........just before you ran off in silence because I used your own words against you and that was just a few days ago......similar to post #170 here. Where you were telling Mac1958 how he was being what? 'High &mighty and self important'??? Or something to that same effect.
Anytime you want to have an HONEST DISCUSSION.......without the petty chit.....and I do mean a RESPECTFUL discussion or debate, you just let me
know.
.
And note the "carve some notches" thing. That's another element of this: They so often declare "victory". That's why I'm convinced much of this is a matter of self esteem, a temporary boost based on so little. Attack and mock and insult, and then they feel a little better about themselves for a while.
This isn't about politics. Politics is just the vehicle.
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im not blaming the system Joe,you are....the system worked the way it has for 200 years ....i can accept who ever wins,and just do what i can to survive the guys term,like most sensible people will....we survived bush we survived obama.....we will survive trump.....
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Only guy I see Trolling is you, Mac...
I think we found your new Avatar, though.
So a winger from one end shoots a Congressman from the other end, and we on USMB take that serious and thought-provoking occasion to keep right on attacking, mocking & insulting each other. Pretty much immediately.
Tell me, what is the goal of non-stop attacks on the other side?
.
im not blaming the system Joe,you are....the system worked the way it has for 200 years ....i can accept who ever wins,and just do what i can to survive the guys term,like most sensible people will....we survived bush we survived obama.....we will survive trump.....
first, I'm not 100% sure we will survive Trump.
secondly, no, the system didn't work. The people made it pretty clear they didn't want Trump and we got him anyway.
Thank you. A couple of questions:So a winger from one end shoots a Congressman from the other end, and we on USMB take that serious and thought-provoking occasion to keep right on attacking, mocking & insulting each other. Pretty much immediately.
Tell me, what is the goal of non-stop attacks on the other side?
.
I am not answering the poll questions because the choices are woefully inadequate. Nothing there reflects my motivation -and yes I am an attack dog against the right, but it is not just a game of one-upmanship to me. My motive is to counter the egregious and mendacious misrepresentation of liberals and progressives. The right wingers are either deliberately and dishonestly dumbing down the issues, or they are really just to stupid to grasp their complexity. It is a fight for the heart and sole-and survival- of this country.... a country that is increasingly becoming a haven for wealthy, white, Christian, straight men to the exclusion and detriment of everyone else. Cases in point ......
Choice, Privacy and Reproductive Rights
Those on the right claim that we love abortion and want no restrictions on it at all. Not true
Liberals do not fight for abortion. We do not think that abortion is a good or pleasant thing. We fight for a woman right to have domain over their own bodies. I'll tell you what we also fight for. We fight for programs that will minimize unwanted pregnancies. We fight for access to birth control. We also fight for programs and policies that will provide supports and assistance to women and families so that they are more likely to carry an unexpected pregnancy to term instead of aborting it.
You can outlaw legal abortion but you can't stop women from having abortions and those abortions will be unsafe. We want to minimize the need for abortions, you want to criminalize it and create pain and suffering.
Jobs and the Economy.
The right claims that we don't care about jobs and prosperity which is absurd
We indeed want jobs and growth....for everyone , not just the privileged few. We want to reverse the obscene disparity in income and wealth. . We reject the failed supply side -trickle down economic theory that big give away s to the wealthy will benefit the masses. We understand that a strong middle class that can earn a living wage is the best medicine for a strong economy.
Criminal Justice.
They claim that we want to coddle criminals . Another misrepresentation
We support a fair and rational system of law enforcement and criminal justice. We support the police while recognizing the fact that some cops use excessive for and that more controls are needed to reign in some departments. We do not support mandatory minimum sentences for drug offenses which clog our jails at taxpayers expense, and ruin lives.
Undocumented Aliens
They claim that we want open boarders and surrender the sovereignty of our country
We should and in fact have secured our boarders using practical, common sense means. Many undocumented people have been here many years and have built a life here. Their children know only this country. The work, put money back into the economy, and pay taxes. At the same time, they often must forgo government services and are unable to collect tax refunds. They should have a path to citizenship.
Obama Care
They claim that it is "collapsing under it's own weight" while doing everything that they can to undermine it. They call it socialized medicine and claim that the " free market": is the best solution to rising costs and lack of coverage
Any thinking person can see that the free market has failed miserably. In addition, we do not advocate people getting something for nothing. Everybody pays their way to the extent that they can, be we recognize that some people can't afford the full cost of medical insurance. It is not only detrimental to the individual to allow them to get sick, remain sick and die. It is detrimental to the economy and to a civil society as well.
LGBT Folks
On this they actually do not misrepresent us in claiming that we want equality and dignity for LGBT people. They are relentless cruel and abusive towards them and that is worthy of relentless attack.
Transsexuals, Gays and Lesbians are human beings and live among us. They have families and children. They hold jobs and pay taxes. They are not bothering you so get over it. Many conservatives also support LGBT rights as do various religious denominations. It is not a liberal vs. conservative issue. It is those who believe in equality and value diversity vs. the bigots who are still living in the last century and wish to once again create a shadow society and all of the social ills that would breed.
The Social Safety Net
They malign those who find themselves in need of assistance and claim that it is their own fault that they are poor. I have a major problem with that and will attack them for it.
Yes we have people who are welfare. Public assistance is a by product of capitalism . As the free market economy that conservative love so much expands or contracts due to market forces and world events, so does the need for labor. Public assistance keeps many of those people afloat so that when they are need in the workforce that are healthy and ready to work again. Conservatives rail against socialism but don't understand that it is welfare to supports capitalism. You can't have it both ways.
Big government.
Shrink government at any cost? Think about it??
No, we don't believe in big government for the sake of big government. The real issue is not the size of government, but rather what government does and how well it does it. We believe in a smart and efficient government that is focused to the security of the US, the general welfare of the people, and the promotion of economic opportunity, and reversing income and wealth disparity. We believe in a government that does not shirk it's responsibility for protecting the environment, and protecting consumers from predatory corporations. We believe in a government that works for all of the people
Legalization of drugs
They have claimed that we want to just legalize all drugs. Bullshit!!
Wrong again. We are for the legalization and taxation of marijuana only. Other drugs should be decriminalized and their abuse should be treated as a public health issue.
Thank you. A couple of questions:So a winger from one end shoots a Congressman from the other end, and we on USMB take that serious and thought-provoking occasion to keep right on attacking, mocking & insulting each other. Pretty much immediately.
Tell me, what is the goal of non-stop attacks on the other side?
.
I am not answering the poll questions because the choices are woefully inadequate. Nothing there reflects my motivation -and yes I am an attack dog against the right, but it is not just a game of one-upmanship to me. My motive is to counter the egregious and mendacious misrepresentation of liberals and progressives. The right wingers are either deliberately and dishonestly dumbing down the issues, or they are really just to stupid to grasp their complexity. It is a fight for the heart and sole-and survival- of this country.... a country that is increasingly becoming a haven for wealthy, white, Christian, straight men to the exclusion and detriment of everyone else. Cases in point ......
Choice, Privacy and Reproductive Rights
Those on the right claim that we love abortion and want no restrictions on it at all. Not true
Liberals do not fight for abortion. We do not think that abortion is a good or pleasant thing. We fight for a woman right to have domain over their own bodies. I'll tell you what we also fight for. We fight for programs that will minimize unwanted pregnancies. We fight for access to birth control. We also fight for programs and policies that will provide supports and assistance to women and families so that they are more likely to carry an unexpected pregnancy to term instead of aborting it.
You can outlaw legal abortion but you can't stop women from having abortions and those abortions will be unsafe. We want to minimize the need for abortions, you want to criminalize it and create pain and suffering.
Jobs and the Economy.
The right claims that we don't care about jobs and prosperity which is absurd
We indeed want jobs and growth....for everyone , not just the privileged few. We want to reverse the obscene disparity in income and wealth. . We reject the failed supply side -trickle down economic theory that big give away s to the wealthy will benefit the masses. We understand that a strong middle class that can earn a living wage is the best medicine for a strong economy.
Criminal Justice.
They claim that we want to coddle criminals . Another misrepresentation
We support a fair and rational system of law enforcement and criminal justice. We support the police while recognizing the fact that some cops use excessive for and that more controls are needed to reign in some departments. We do not support mandatory minimum sentences for drug offenses which clog our jails at taxpayers expense, and ruin lives.
Undocumented Aliens
They claim that we want open boarders and surrender the sovereignty of our country
We should and in fact have secured our boarders using practical, common sense means. Many undocumented people have been here many years and have built a life here. Their children know only this country. The work, put money back into the economy, and pay taxes. At the same time, they often must forgo government services and are unable to collect tax refunds. They should have a path to citizenship.
Obama Care
They claim that it is "collapsing under it's own weight" while doing everything that they can to undermine it. They call it socialized medicine and claim that the " free market": is the best solution to rising costs and lack of coverage
Any thinking person can see that the free market has failed miserably. In addition, we do not advocate people getting something for nothing. Everybody pays their way to the extent that they can, be we recognize that some people can't afford the full cost of medical insurance. It is not only detrimental to the individual to allow them to get sick, remain sick and die. It is detrimental to the economy and to a civil society as well.
LGBT Folks
On this they actually do not misrepresent us in claiming that we want equality and dignity for LGBT people. They are relentless cruel and abusive towards them and that is worthy of relentless attack.
Transsexuals, Gays and Lesbians are human beings and live among us. They have families and children. They hold jobs and pay taxes. They are not bothering you so get over it. Many conservatives also support LGBT rights as do various religious denominations. It is not a liberal vs. conservative issue. It is those who believe in equality and value diversity vs. the bigots who are still living in the last century and wish to once again create a shadow society and all of the social ills that would breed.
The Social Safety Net
They malign those who find themselves in need of assistance and claim that it is their own fault that they are poor. I have a major problem with that and will attack them for it.
Yes we have people who are welfare. Public assistance is a by product of capitalism . As the free market economy that conservative love so much expands or contracts due to market forces and world events, so does the need for labor. Public assistance keeps many of those people afloat so that when they are need in the workforce that are healthy and ready to work again. Conservatives rail against socialism but don't understand that it is welfare to supports capitalism. You can't have it both ways.
Big government.
Shrink government at any cost? Think about it??
No, we don't believe in big government for the sake of big government. The real issue is not the size of government, but rather what government does and how well it does it. We believe in a smart and efficient government that is focused to the security of the US, the general welfare of the people, and the promotion of economic opportunity, and reversing income and wealth disparity. We believe in a government that does not shirk it's responsibility for protecting the environment, and protecting consumers from predatory corporations. We believe in a government that works for all of the people
Legalization of drugs
They have claimed that we want to just legalize all drugs. Bullshit!!
Wrong again. We are for the legalization and taxation of marijuana only. Other drugs should be decriminalized and their abuse should be treated as a public health issue.
Do you feel that the Left provides an accurate portrayal of the Right's positions, or do they also essentially provide "egregious and mendacious misrepresentations", or at least an incomplete and unfair view?
Second, do you feel that attacking people personally will change their mind in some way, and if not, what is the ultimate goal, at least in the short term?
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TheProgressivePatriot was kind enough to provide a serious, interesting and comprehensive answer to my question.Why is it that the "conservatives" eagerly post responses to Mac's question while "progressives" decide to simply mock the questioner?What possible reasons could there be?
To post in the Flame Zone and laugh.
Upstairs is mostly a wasteland of partisans more interested in reinforcing their tribalism and calling the other side names rather than engaging in any serious discussion.
TheProgressivePatriot was kind enough to provide a serious, interesting and comprehensive answer to my question.Why is it that the "conservatives" eagerly post responses to Mac's question while "progressives" decide to simply mock the questioner?What possible reasons could there be?
Other than him, the rest of you have done nothing more than your standard deflect/pivot/attack strategy.
Illustrating my point, yet again. Thanks, again.
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Hey, in the Flame Zone, it's REQUIRED!And this doesn't happen in the flamer zone? Good grief. ROFL!To post in the Flame Zone and laugh. Upstairs is mostly a wasteland of partisans more interested in reinforcing their tribalism and calling the other side names rather than engaging in any serious discussion.
The system worked fine for hundreds of years until you lost. So now the system didn't work?
Did it work when DumBama was elected? Did it work when Clinton was elected?
The system is fine, it's Democrats that failed. You ran a drunken career politician under FBI investigation with enough baggage to open her own airport, but it's not your fault, it's the systems fault.
