Poll: Do You Agree With Dr. Rand Paul That Dr. Anthony Fauci Lied to Congress Regarding NIH Funding Gain of Function Research in Wuhan?

[Desperado]

Their testy exchange, where each accused the other of lying is here.



It would be helpful to watch the whole thing in order to cast an informed vote.

Basically, Rand Paul uses Fauci's own testimony, a paper from one of the Wuhan virologists stating that the research was being funded by NIH, and the NIH's own definition of "gain of function" to make the case that Fauci lied.

Fauci defended himself by saying that Dr. Paul does not know what he is talking about and he is the one who is lying (effectively, "nuh-uh").

Your vote will be publicly viewable, and you cannot change your vote.

Yes, Fauci lied and people died

 

[Natural Citizen]

Like I said, if I were Fauci, I'd tell Paul to do something unspeakable to himself.

Of course, you would.

When people lose it...well...they lose it.

I get it.


Think happy thoughts, man. Be water.

 

[Natural Citizen]

I'll bet Rand had a smoke after that pounding he gave grouchy Fauci.

Heh heh.

Ah well. Think that's about all I have in me today, folks.

See yuns around some other time.

 

[Jim H - VA USA]

no

That is not a helpful post and is redundant with your vote.

I would love to hear some well-articulated thoughts about why people agree with Fauci that he did not lie to Congress.

So far, rightwinger has given some reasons. His main point seems to be that Fauci is better qualified than Paul to determine what is gain of function and what is not. While true, it's not very convincing.

otto105 tried, but I don't see how his link is responsive. The quote from Dr. Stanely Perlman does not support any claim that gain of function research was not funded. There are other qualified doctors who are on record stating Fauci did fund GOF. For example...

MSN

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JackOfNoTrades said there is no evidence, but the evidence is presented in post #1. Dispute it, if you can, please.

It would be nice if someone could argue why NIH did not provide funding (fat chance), and/or why the funded research is not considered to be "gain of function." I've yet to hear anyone articulate that, including Fauci.

 

[busybee01]

Their testy exchange, where each accused the other of lying is here.



It would be helpful to watch the whole thing in order to cast an informed vote.

Basically, Rand Paul uses Fauci's own testimony, a paper from one of the Wuhan virologists stating that the research was being funded by NIH, and the NIH's own definition of "gain of function" to make the case that Fauci lied.

Fauci defended himself by saying that Dr. Paul does not know what he is talking about and he is the one who is lying (effectively, "nuh-uh").

Your vote will be publicly viewable, and you cannot change your vote.

Fr Fauci gave Rand Pasul a good spanking. Rand Paul is a lying little brat who needs a good spanking.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

That is not a helpful post and is redundant with your vote.

I would love to hear some well-articulated thoughts about why people agree with Fauci that he did not lie to Congress.

So far, rightwinger has given some reasons. His main point seems to be that Fauci is better qualified than Paul to determine what is gain of function and what is not. While true, it's not very convincing.

otto105 tried, but I don't see how his link is responsive. The quote from Dr. Stanely Perlman does not support any claim that gain of function research was not funded. There are other qualified doctors who are on record stating Fauci did fund GOF. For example...

MSN

www.msn.com

JackOfNoTrades said there is no evidence, but the evidence is presented in post #1. Dispute it, if you can, please.

It would be nice if someone could argue why NIH did not provide funding (fat chance), and/or why the funded research is not considered to be "gain of function." I've yet to hear anyone articulate that, including Fauci.

Sorry, not sure what you are looking for here. I don't see anything in this article that states they funded any "gain of function" research.
Again, this is a political manipulation for a "gotcha" moment.

The Wuhan Lab and the Gain-of-Function Disagreement - FactCheck.org

A disagreement between Republican Sen. Rand Paul and Dr. Anthony Fauci has put $600,000 of U.S. grant money to the Wuhan Institute of Virology back into the spotlight, while making "gain-of-function" research a household term -- all amid calls for more investigation into the origins of SARS-CoV-2.

www.factcheck.org

 

[Missouri_Mike]

No, I think Fauci's just sick and tired of being dragged before the court of Senate Republican Opinion and being asked the same questions with same assertions by the hayseed from KY.
So far, Paul is 0 for 4 in his attempt to manufacture..erm...produce any tangible evidence to back his BS up. Once OK. Twice. Maybe. Three times? You're just trying for a "gotcha".
Four times??? I'd tell him to go fuck himself. Go blab your "assertions" to alt-right media.

You and fauxi spouting this bullshit off while Paul is standing there holding the smoking gun makes you both look stupid. When the guy produces the receipts and evidence maybe you should come off your high horse and stop being a dick.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

And as you've been told more times than I care to remember, Fauci changed his position because of what was learned from how the virus spreads.
Something that's bound to happen in a fast moving pandemic.

Outdated Fauci Video on Face Masks Shared Out of Context - FactCheck.org

An outdated video clip of Dr. Anthony Fauci is circulating on social media -- giving the false impression he is currently advising the public not to wear face masks. Fauci, like other health officials, recommends wearing a cloth face covering when distances of at least six feet can’t be maintained.

www.factcheck.org

So according to you to be the world renowned viral expert you don’t actually have to know what the fuck to do when one comes around. You just make best fucking guesses and then change your mind later if convenient. That makes this fauxi asshole is of no more value than your drunk neighbor.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

You and fauxi spouting this bullshit off while Paul is standing there holding the smoking gun makes you both look stupid. When the guy produces the receipts and evidence maybe you should come off your high horse and stop being a dick.

Sorry. Paul was just talking over the top of Fauci and doing a lot of shouting. But absolutely no proof to back it up. But that's arguing in the post-Trump era. No facts necessary. Just feelz. Becauz...I says so.
Go back to your alt-right message boards and whine.

 

[Hossfly]

I think Rand Paul is a whiny little pussy who needs to concern himself more with the lack of vaccinated people in Kentucky than constantly harping gain of function nonsense

Rand Paul, M.D. aka Sen. Rand Paul, (R) KY

 

[rightwinger]

Rand Paul, M.D. aka Sen. Rand Paul, (R) KY

Optometrist passing as an expert on infectious diseases

DOCTOR Fauci called him on it
”You don’t know what you are talking about”

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Optometrist passing as an expert on infectious diseases

DOCTOR Fauci called him on it
”You don’t know what you are talking about”

Better still,

‘If anybody is lying here, senator, it is you,’​

Well, yeah, duh...we knew that already.

 

[Hossfly]

Optometrist passing as an expert on infectious diseases

DOCTOR Fauci called him on it
”You don’t know what you are talking about”

Eye doctors have to go to medical school just like "Doctor" Faulsi.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Eye doctors have to go to medical school just like "Doctor" Faulsi.

Opthamologists go to med school and have a more stringent course of classes in med school and residency afterward since they can perform medical procedures. However, it's still a far cry from an infectious disease "specialist"....LOL...Oh lord, the fun just never stops.

EDIT - My mistake. Paul is an Opthamologist. However, Paul hasn't practiced since 2010 and the state of KY does not recognize his license to practice.

 

[Correll]

I think Rand Paul is a whiny little pussy who needs to concern himself more with the lack of vaccinated people in Kentucky than constantly harping gain of function nonsense

If it were Trump that was involved in funding the research, you would be singing a different tune.

 

[Hossfly]

Optometrists go to med school as generalists in anatomy and physiology. A far cry from an infectious disease "specialist"....LOL...Oh lord, the fun just never stops.

Betcha Falsi winds up in jail for mass murder and lying about GOF.

 

[candycorn]

That is not a helpful post and is redundant with your vote.

I would love to hear some well-articulated thoughts about why people agree with Fauci that he did not lie to Congress.

So far, rightwinger has given some reasons. His main point seems to be that Fauci is better qualified than Paul to determine what is gain of function and what is not. While true, it's not very convincing.

otto105 tried, but I don't see how his link is responsive. The quote from Dr. Stanely Perlman does not support any claim that gain of function research was not funded. There are other qualified doctors who are on record stating Fauci did fund GOF. For example...

MSN

www.msn.com

JackOfNoTrades said there is no evidence, but the evidence is presented in post #1. Dispute it, if you can, please.

It would be nice if someone could argue why NIH did not provide funding (fat chance), and/or why the funded research is not considered to be "gain of function." I've yet to hear anyone articulate that, including Fauci.

Fauci did not lie to Congress.

and as AzogtheDefiler has told us...a lie isn't a lie if the person lying believes it. At least that is how he defends his ever-loving devotion to mara-lard-ass.

 

[dudmuck]

Eye doctors have to go to medical school just like "Doctor" Faulsi.

Rand Paul didnt like the existing board of ophthalmology, so he create his own board of ophthalmology and certified himself.

 

[DukeU]

I think Rand Paul is a whiny little pussy who needs to concern himself more with the lack of vaccinated people in Kentucky than constantly harping gain of function nonsense

"Gain of Function" is the very reason we are in this vaccine or no vaccine dilemma. They created this mess and all who were involved should be in prison including Fauci.

 

[badger2]

The point is, that Rand Paul’s study article couldn’t be a much better choice for evidence. Paul has read it: ‘LYRa11 (2011).’ We have read it: ‘only one mutation, T487N, was observed in LYRa11....‘

That is not a helpful post and is redundant with your vote.

I would love to hear some well-articulated thoughts about why people agree with Fauci that he did not lie to Congress.

So far, rightwinger has given some reasons. His main point seems to be that Fauci is better qualified than Paul to determine what is gain of function and what is not. While true, it's not very convincing.

otto105 tried, but I don't see how his link is responsive. The quote from Dr. Stanely Perlman does not support any claim that gain of function research was not funded. There are other qualified doctors who are on record stating Fauci did fund GOF. For example...

MSN

www.msn.com

JackOfNoTrades said there is no evidence, but the evidence is presented in post #1. Dispute it, if you can, please.

It would be nice if someone could argue why NIH did not provide funding (fat chance), and/or why the funded research is not considered to be "gain of function." I've yet to hear anyone articulate that, including Fauci.

, Paul’s article shows that one of the viruses was LYRa11. Badger’s post shows that LYRa11 was a gain of function for the virus as it relates to human ACE2 receptors. Duh