Poll: Do you want the Federal governemnt running all healthcare?

[Cecilie1200]

Ignorant, close minded Americans do not understand the the reality of universal healthcare. I think that Medicare for all is the best solution. We already have it running and can just expand it to all. Countries with universal healthcare have better healthcare and spend less money on it than we do. We spend more money per person on health care than EU countries and have a lower life expectancy and higher infant mortality rate. We waste money on health care catering to millionaire doctors, pharmaceutical companies, and over-priced medical equipment, as well as for profit insurance companies. Close minded Americans are afraid of anything that is new (to them) and resist change, even though it is for the better.

We understand it just fine...The State will decide who gets medical services and how much they get...IOW, rationing.

Move your ass to Canada.

From your answer, it's clear you don't understand at all. Doctors make the decisions about healthcare; doctors who don't enter the profession with the goal of becoming millionaires. They would make the decisions based on what is 'needed' not on what will put more money in their pockets. I lived and worked in Austria for 4 years; they have universal healthcare--I know all about universal healthcare as I participated in it. You know nothing.

From your answer, it's clear YOU don't understand at all. Only damned fools think good intentions and leftist-approved altruism are the primary concerns in a doctor. And only damned fools think turning doctors into civil servants is a good idea.

"I have anecdotal evidence that I personally really enjoyed living like the socialist I am. You have only facts and studies from experts and your silly desire for personal responsibility, so you know nothing."

Has it occurred to you that if you think Austria, or Canada, or the UK, are superior to the United States, packing your ass up and moving to any of the above is a better solution than trying to force everyone else to accept your personal view of what's right?

 

[Votto]

you have that backwards,,,it keeps getting more expensive because the government is involved,,,

just like with college tuition they know its a guaranteed check so they bump the price

So what’s happened before Obamacare that costs were increasing so rapidly?

same thing,,,government involvement,,,

That’s as specific as you can get?

its enough,,,

what proof do you have that prices will go down or that care will get better???

because all the facts we have says it wont,,,

It tells me you base your theory on very little.

You should learn something from your lefty friends in MA. States, not the national government, should create their own health care system.

When democrats needed votes in the Senate to pass Obamacare, Ted Kennedy found out he had brain cancer and was afraid that if he was not present to vote for it, the legislation would fail. So then he went about trying to change the laws so that if he were forced to step down there would not be another election to replace him. To make a long story short, he failed to change the laws as Scott Brown ran on the premise of voting against Obamacare because people like their Romneycare. Scott then won the election as Kennedy's worst fears were realized. That is when the democrats pulled the Reconciliation bit, to bypass the Constitutional method for voting for legislation and to bypass the democratic will of the people of Left wing MA. That is how we wound up with Obamacare, which neither party likes. The ink is not even dry on the legislation and these same voices that sold us on Obamacare are now saying to trust them with socialized medicine? I don't think so.

States should do as MA did, create your own health care system That way we have 50 examples of what does work and what does not work. And more importantly, it allows the citizens of each state to be either conservative or Left wing according to their desire rather than having half the country wanting to secede every national election.

 

[kyzr]

you have that backwards,,,it keeps getting more expensive because the government is involved,,,

just like with college tuition they know its a guaranteed check so they bump the price

Thé Government is not regulating enough

See the price of prescriptions vs countries with strict regulations?

Hello? McFly? Tuition prices were normal until the government stepped in to "help".
Then came relaxed admission standards, inflated tuition and book prices, and more cushy administrative jobs because hey, Uncle Sugar will pick up the tab. It's fucking sickening.

To think the exact same thing would not happen with medical care is folly.

Bull shit

Prescription prices were affordable until Big Pharm bought out our Congress

What are Nancy and the dems in the House doing to reduce drug costs? Thanks for playing.

"(Reuters) - The cost of insulin for treating type 1 diabetes in the United States nearly doubled over a five-year period, underscoring a national outcry over rising drug prices, according to a new analysis shared with Reuters. A person with type 1 diabetes incurred annual insulin costs of $5,705, on average, in 2016."
U.S. insulin costs per patient nearly doubled from 2012 to 2016: study - Reuters

CVS cuts cost for generic EpiPen competitor
The drugstore chain announced Thursday that it will sell a generic version of Impax Laboratories (IPXL)' Adrenaclick treatment for $109.99 per two-pack, down from $200. The drug company Mylan drew the ire of customers and Congress when it raised the price to more than $600 for an EpiPen two-pack.

Who signed the bill in 2003 that says govt could not negotiate drug prices?

Papa Bush signed it into Law, and Bill Clinton, Dubya, and Obama did not change it, Trump is trying to change it.
Health insurance companies can negotiate prices, but Medicare Part-D cannot...
Are feds barred from negotiating lower drug prices?
"...reference is to Medicare Part D, a voluntary insurance program for prescription drugs for people on Medicare. Views differ on whether seniors ultimately would benefit if the federal government could negotiate directly with pharmaceutical companies on prescription drug prices for Part D. But current federal law does prohibit that."

 

[Cecilie1200]

Ignorant, close minded Americans do not understand the the reality of universal healthcare. I think that Medicare for all is the best solution. We already have it running and can just expand it to all. Countries with universal healthcare have better healthcare and spend less money on it than we do. We spend more money per person on health care than EU countries and have a lower life expectancy and higher infant mortality rate. We waste money on health care catering to millionaire doctors, pharmaceutical companies, and over-priced medical equipment, as well as for profit insurance companies. Close minded Americans are afraid of anything that is new (to them) and resist change, even though it is for the better.

We understand it just fine...The State will decide who gets medical services and how much they get...IOW, rationing.

Move your ass to Canada.

From your answer, it's clear you don't understand at all. Doctors make the decisions about healthcare; doctors who don't enter the profession with the goal of becoming millionaires. They would make the decisions based on what is 'needed' not on what will put more money in their pockets. I lived and worked in Austria for 4 years; they have universal healthcare--I know all about universal healthcare as I participated in it. You know nothing.

I understand just fine....You have rationing and turn doctors into defacto bureaucrats.

Move your ass to Canada or England if they have it so great.

You are an idiot and know nothing about the situation. You listen to soundbites from ignoramuses like Rush Limbaugh. Pity poor you.

. . . Says the ignorant twat who came in here asserting viewpoints as fact that have already been argued to a fare-thee-well AND abandoned even by her own fellow-traveling leftists.

I don't pity you, though. You deserve to be just as stupid as you work to be. And I'm much too busy being offended that the likes of you feels the need to spread your "knowledge" to my life whether I want it or not.

Oddball's right. If you think Canada, England, or any other damned place is better, go there. Don't bring them here against everyone else's will because your ego tells you so.

 

[Cellblock2429]

who are you to speak for millions of people you dont know and have never met???

everyone of my employers were happy to provide it,,,and its an add on to get better employees,,,

Used to be

Now health insurance is something that pisses off your employees when premiums go up or benefits are cut

AND THAT IS BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT FUCKED IT ALL UP,,,

How so?

/—-/ Ever hear of the VA?

Ask vets if they want to get rid of it

/—-/ I’ve asked Vets and they said in a heart beat and wanted vouchers for quality healthcare but they are tied to a broken system. 'Parking Lot' Suicides Roil VA Hospitals

 

[Dick Foster]

who are you to speak for millions of people you dont know and have never met???

everyone of my employers were happy to provide it,,,and its an add on to get better employees,,,

Used to be

Now health insurance is something that pisses off your employees when premiums go up or benefits are cut

AND THAT IS BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT FUCKED IT ALL UP,,,

How so?

/—-/ Ever hear of the VA?

Ask vets if they want to get rid of it

I'm a vet what are we to git rid of? If it's the VA the answer is yes if we do away with all other forms of government healthcare and make healthcare insurance illegal thereby eliminating third parties from the system entirely. I'd gladly deal with the doctors directly on a level playing field. I'd be happier and better off and the doctors would be happier too. However the insurance companies, politicians, and the folks selling big office buildings and corporate jets are likely not going to be so happy. Tough titty they can find something more useful to do than suck on society.

 

[Cecilie1200]

You should try to get into an Emergency Room in South Florida.

You can't. It is FILLED to the brim with beaners, none of whom have insurance.

Because they know, they have been instructed and taught, that the E-Room MUST treat them.

Then they take off never to pay a dime of the costs.

So what do the Hospitals and Doctors do?

They cost-shift it onto the those who CAN pay. You. Me.

We need to have a Mandatory Insurance Law in this Country. Just like you are required to have Auto Insurance (which is private)

Wrong.

We have mandatory auto insurance, and we're still all paying an item called "uninsured motorist".

This raises the question: If the the mandatory insurance laws works and everyone is required to have coverage, why is it we still have to pay for uninsured drivers?

It should not be mandatory, but insurance lobbyists bribed congressmen.

Now insurance companies have government laws backing them, not a good situation.

You people prefer to let the rich get richer and the poor die from lack of proper healthcare benefits.

No, we prefer to have FREEDOM of choice, and not be dictated to for everything by an overbearing, tyrannical government. Something you people have put up with for centuries. Anybody can walk into a U.S. hospital and get healthcare if they need it. If they can't afford to pay they are NOT CHARGED anything,

Nobody is dying in the streets unless they are drug users, crazy, etc.

Choosing universal healthcare for this country is a freedom, and it will come to be: the voters will choose it.

Bullshit. As if leftist narcissists like you would actually bring it up for a vote, or give anyone a choice. We already saw how you make things "come to be" with Obamacare. For that matter, we see it with everything leftist tyrants do "for our own good": it never involves giving people choices and a voice. There's a big difference between your leaders telling you the voters want something, and actually letting people vote on it.

 

[Cecilie1200]

You should try to get into an Emergency Room in South Florida.

You can't. It is FILLED to the brim with beaners, none of whom have insurance.

Because they know, they have been instructed and taught, that the E-Room MUST treat them.

Then they take off never to pay a dime of the costs.

So what do the Hospitals and Doctors do?

They cost-shift it onto the those who CAN pay. You. Me.

We need to have a Mandatory Insurance Law in this Country. Just like you are required to have Auto Insurance (which is private)

Wrong.

We have mandatory auto insurance, and we're still all paying an item called "uninsured motorist".

This raises the question: If the the mandatory insurance laws works and everyone is required to have coverage, why is it we still have to pay for uninsured drivers?

It should not be mandatory, but insurance lobbyists bribed congressmen.

Now insurance companies have government laws backing them, not a good situation.

You people prefer to let the rich get richer and the poor die from lack of proper healthcare benefits.

No, we prefer to have FREEDOM of choice, and not be dictated to for everything by an overbearing, tyrannical government. Something you people have put up with for centuries. Anybody can walk into a U.S. hospital and get healthcare if they need it. If they can't afford to pay they are NOT CHARGED anything,

Nobody is dying in the streets unless they are drug users, crazy, etc.

We need to start taking care of our crazy people again.

The closing of Mental Hospitals so Big Pharma could make insane profits was a bad mistake.

Chemical restraints are not as effective as 4 walls and a roof.

Actually, we closed mental hospitals and turned patients out into the streets because the ACLU decided it was a "civil right" to be homeless and insane, and "tyranny" to keep them hospitalized and medicated and safe.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Wrong.

We have mandatory auto insurance, and we're still all paying an item called "uninsured motorist".

This raises the question: If the the mandatory insurance laws works and everyone is required to have coverage, why is it we still have to pay for uninsured drivers?

It should not be mandatory, but insurance lobbyists bribed congressmen.

Now insurance companies have government laws backing them, not a good situation.

You people prefer to let the rich get richer and the poor die from lack of proper healthcare benefits.

No, we prefer to have FREEDOM of choice, and not be dictated to for everything by an overbearing, tyrannical government. Something you people have put up with for centuries. Anybody can walk into a U.S. hospital and get healthcare if they need it. If they can't afford to pay they are NOT CHARGED anything,

Nobody is dying in the streets unless they are drug users, crazy, etc.

Choosing universal healthcare for this country is a freedom, and it will come to be: the voters will choose it.

I think our healthcare system needs an overhaul. Obamacare did huge damage to it. However, a government run system is not the answer. Universal healthcare will neither be affordable, nor sustainable in a country of 330 million and growing with ILLEGALS and people that don't pay into it. We are not Canada, nor the UK. We are different, have different social pressures, and need a different, market based, competitive and efficient solution.

Esmeralda isn't interested in hearing what people think or want in their lives. She's interested in telling them what they SHOULD want, and how stupid they are for not sharing her priorities and worldview.

Typical leftist, in other words.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I remember Obama's promise that Obamacare would save all families about $2,500 a year, it actually cost them about $10,000 a year in deductibles, meaning that they basically pay premiums AND pay deductibles to see a doctor. McCain really screwed up not killing Obamacare when he had the chance.

The democrats are running on "single payer" Medicare for all, where the government pays for all healthcare, and its FREE when needed. I can't imagine the lines of people waiting to see doctors. I wonder what GS pay grade doctors would get?

These two links basically prove two main points:
1. About 20% of the population uses 80% of the healthcare system. Can you say "pre-existing conditions"?
Does 20% of the population really use 80% of health care dollars?
2. The bottom 50% of the population by income pays basically nothing for healthcare
How do health expenditures vary across the population? - Peterson-Kaiser Health System Tracker

How can we improve the US healthcare system?
1. The bottom half of the population needs to work to get healthcare, medicaid needs to be cut
2. The 20% of the sickest need top pay more for healthcare since they use most of the resource

Any better ideas??

1. Are you willing to let the bottom half die in the streets if they cannot afford to pay for their healthcare?

2. They already pay more. My son is a Type-1 diabetic, the cost associated with that are enormous and I wonder how people manage.

There are a lot of problems with our system. I know a guy, he is about 28 or so, that was in between job and ended up in the ER and was diagnosed with Chrons disease. He spent 4 days in the hospital without insurance and will likely never be able to pay off what he owes. This is a problem with our system.

Around the time my mom and step-dad hit 70 they sold all their land and their house to my sister and BIL and essentially rented their house to avoid losing it all to the high cost of end of life care. This should not be necessary.

The problem in our country is we treat healthcare as both a commodity and a service. That cannot work in the long run.


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There are a lot of problems with any system.

However, when the government takes over something, a mysterious thing happens. The media stops reporting about it and nothing is ever done about it ever again.

I am not advocating for governmental take over.


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Unfortunately, the government does not give a damn.

They won't stop till they are successful, like everything else.

The government does what we the people allow them to do by continuing to vote the same two groups into power


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The government does what we the people allow them to do by continuing to vote FOR ANYONE, and then just assuming that they will do everything for us.

It's not parties that are the problem. It's dependency, and it would be a problem no matter who was in office.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I remember Obama's promise that Obamacare would save all families about $2,500 a year, it actually cost them about $10,000 a year in deductibles, meaning that they basically pay premiums AND pay deductibles to see a doctor. McCain really screwed up not killing Obamacare when he had the chance.

The democrats are running on "single payer" Medicare for all, where the government pays for all healthcare, and its FREE when needed. I can't imagine the lines of people waiting to see doctors. I wonder what GS pay grade doctors would get?

These two links basically prove two main points:
1. About 20% of the population uses 80% of the healthcare system. Can you say "pre-existing conditions"?
Does 20% of the population really use 80% of health care dollars?
2. The bottom 50% of the population by income pays basically nothing for healthcare
How do health expenditures vary across the population? - Peterson-Kaiser Health System Tracker

How can we improve the US healthcare system?
1. The bottom half of the population needs to work to get healthcare, medicaid needs to be cut
2. The 20% of the sickest need top pay more for healthcare since they use most of the resource

Any better ideas??

Several.

First of all, people need to be getting their health insurance individually, the way they buy every other insurance they use, rather than being dependent on an employer to decide which plan is going to be offered and how much it's going to cost them. This would require several things.

1) Allow health insurance to be sold across state lines to increase competition.
2) Allow insurance companies more scope to tailor policies and coverage to what their customers want to buy.
3) Give individual purchasers the same sort of tax breaks on their insurance that employers currently enjoy.
4) Allow customers to form their own associations through which to buy insurance and get discounts available for larger customer pools.

Second of all, the patients need to also be the customers when it comes to using healthcare. Rather than mandating expansion of EVERY policy to cover EVERY possible use of medical care, we need to expand the use and availability of HSA and flexible spending accounts. Instead of sending premiums to an insurance company every paycheck, that money goes into an account pre-tax, and waits there for you to use it. And then when you need to visit a doctor, YOU see the prices, YOU decide what to spend and where. Prices for medical care will become lower and less obscure when doctors aren't having to figure out how to get around a bunch of bean-counters and algorithms at some insurance company.

Third, we need to stop looking around for other countries to imitate, and start thinking outside the box for solutions that fit who and what America and its people are.

 

[Esmeralda]

Nobody is denied healthcare in the U.S. If you can not afford to pay you can walk into, or be delivered to any hospital and get healthcare provided to you. <snip>.

You should try to get into an Emergency Room in South Florida.

You can't. It is FILLED to the brim with beaners, none of whom have insurance.

Because they know, they have been instructed and taught, that the E-Room MUST treat them.

Then they take off never to pay a dime of the costs.

So what do the Hospitals and Doctors do?

They cost-shift it onto the those who CAN pay. You. Me.

We need to have a Mandatory Insurance Law in this Country. Just like you are required to have Auto Insurance (which is private)

Wrong.

We have mandatory auto insurance, and we're still all paying an item called "uninsured motorist".

This raises the question: If the the mandatory insurance laws works and everyone is required to have coverage, why is it we still have to pay for uninsured drivers?

It should not be mandatory, but insurance lobbyists bribed congressmen.

Now insurance companies have government laws backing them, not a good situation.

For example, in the UK, national healthcare is not required of all as far as using it; everyone pays for it in their taxes, but people who can afford it may go to private physicians as much as they want. We cannot pick and choose what programs our taxes go for. If we followed one of Warren's plans, we would be getting far more back in corporate taxes than we'd need to pay for Medicare for all. Too many Americans prefer to let the rich get richer and the poor die from lack of proper healthcare benefits. One percent of the population owns 80% of the money. And Republicans want to keep it that way.

For example, the UK and Canada have long since been debunked as being anything Americans would want or would tolerate. I get that you're not very bright and extremely behind on the news, as well as out of touch with anyone who isn't your tiny group of leftist friends and family, so I'm letting you know now that you're wasting everyone's time championing something that has already been dissected and rejected long since.

No such debunking has occurred. You obviously don't have a clue about reality. I have lived and worked in the EU and have experienced having universal health care for several years. You are wrong about it. Totally and completely wrong. What you believe is based on ignorance an having been brainwashed by such idiots as Rush Limbaugh and the like.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I remember Obama's promise that Obamacare would save all families about $2,500 a year, it actually cost them about $10,000 a year in deductibles, meaning that they basically pay premiums AND pay deductibles to see a doctor. McCain really screwed up not killing Obamacare when he had the chance.

The democrats are running on "single payer" Medicare for all, where the government pays for all healthcare, and its FREE when needed. I can't imagine the lines of people waiting to see doctors. I wonder what GS pay grade doctors would get?

These two links basically prove two main points:
1. About 20% of the population uses 80% of the healthcare system. Can you say "pre-existing conditions"?
Does 20% of the population really use 80% of health care dollars?
2. The bottom 50% of the population by income pays basically nothing for healthcare
How do health expenditures vary across the population? - Peterson-Kaiser Health System Tracker

How can we improve the US healthcare system?
1. The bottom half of the population needs to work to get healthcare, medicaid needs to be cut
2. The 20% of the sickest need top pay more for healthcare since they use most of the resource

Any better ideas??

Several.

First of all, people need to be getting their health insurance individually, the way they buy every other insurance they use, rather than being dependent on an employer to decide which plan is going to be offered and how much it's going to cost them. This would require several things.

1) Allow health insurance to be sold across state lines to increase competition.
2) Allow insurance companies more scope to tailor policies and coverage to what their customers want to buy.
3) Give individual purchasers the same sort of tax breaks on their insurance that employers currently enjoy.
4) Allow customers to form their own associations through which to buy insurance and get discounts available for larger customer pools.

Second of all, the patients need to also be the customers when it comes to using healthcare. Rather than mandating expansion of EVERY policy to cover EVERY possible use of medical care, we need to expand the use and availability of HSA and flexible spending accounts. Instead of sending premiums to an insurance company every paycheck, that money goes into an account pre-tax, and waits there for you to use it. And then when you need to visit a doctor, YOU see the prices, YOU decide what to spend and where. Prices for medical care will become lower and less obscure when doctors aren't having to figure out how to get around a bunch of bean-counters and algorithms at some insurance company.

Heard all this before for saving Obamacare. If 20% of the population uses 80% of the healthcare resources they need to pay more. The rest of us can't afford the high deductibles to keep everyone alive to 100. There needs to be lifetime limits on what we can afford, or the entire system will collapse. Medicare will be insolvent in 2026. Medicaid needs to be cut and managed better....
The real reason health care is bankrupting America

You've heard it all before because it's still true. Facts often work that way.

I have no idea what the rest of your post has to do with anything I said, given that none of the things you're harping on would be the case if my steps were implemented.

 

[Esmeralda]

When I receive a messed up billing from a doctor I want the government to run healthcare as their punishment.

I feel the same way

After my wife was hospitalized for a week I got a stack of bills demanding payment before my insurance had even settled. I ended up negotiating between the doctors and my insurance over payment. Out of network doctors would show up and treat my wife and then my insurance refused to pay them

I met a guy from UK once who told me he had open heart surgery. He said he just showed his ID card when he checked in and never received a bill

Ignorant, close minded Americans do not understand the reality of universal healthcare. I think that Medicare for all is the best solution. We already have it running and can just expand it to all. Countries with universal healthcare have better healthcare and spend less money on it than we do. We spend more money per person on health care than EU countries and have a lower life expectancy and higher infant mortality rate. We waste money on health care catering to millionaire doctors, pharmaceutical companies, and over-priced medical equipment, as well as for-profit insurance companies. Close minded Americans are afraid of anything that is new (to them) and resist change, even though it is for the better.

I just heard, "Anyone who disagrees with me is ignorant and close-minded. That way, I get to feelz good about myself, AND avoid ever having to address or even acknowledge their points."

Come back when you have something to say beyond sticking your fingers in your ears and then shouting your talking points as "facts".

You display all the characteristics of someone who is not very intelligent and very ignorant about this subject. Bottom line.

 

[Cecilie1200]

You should try to get into an Emergency Room in South Florida.

You can't. It is FILLED to the brim with beaners, none of whom have insurance.

Because they know, they have been instructed and taught, that the E-Room MUST treat them.

Then they take off never to pay a dime of the costs.

So what do the Hospitals and Doctors do?

They cost-shift it onto the those who CAN pay. You. Me.

We need to have a Mandatory Insurance Law in this Country. Just like you are required to have Auto Insurance (which is private)

Wrong.

We have mandatory auto insurance, and we're still all paying an item called "uninsured motorist".

This raises the question: If the the mandatory insurance laws works and everyone is required to have coverage, why is it we still have to pay for uninsured drivers?

It should not be mandatory, but insurance lobbyists bribed congressmen.

Now insurance companies have government laws backing them, not a good situation.

For example, in the UK, national healthcare is not required of all as far as using it; everyone pays for it in their taxes, but people who can afford it may go to private physicians as much as they want. We cannot pick and choose what programs our taxes go for. If we followed one of Warren's plans, we would be getting far more back in corporate taxes than we'd need to pay for Medicare for all. Too many Americans prefer to let the rich get richer and the poor die from lack of proper healthcare benefits. One percent of the population owns 80% of the money. And Republicans want to keep it that way.

For example, the UK and Canada have long since been debunked as being anything Americans would want or would tolerate. I get that you're not very bright and extremely behind on the news, as well as out of touch with anyone who isn't your tiny group of leftist friends and family, so I'm letting you know now that you're wasting everyone's time championing something that has already been dissected and rejected long since.

No such debunking has occurred. You obviously don't have a clue about reality. I have lived and worked in the EU and have experienced having universal health care for several years. You are wrong about it. Totally and completely wrong. What you believe is based on ignorance an having been brainwashed by such idiots as Rush Limbaugh and the like.

What fucking rock have you been living under for the last few years, Mensa Girl? There's a difference between "I didn't pay any attention" and "It didn't happen". The UK's failing NHS has been an open scandal in the news for ages. Ditto the downsides to the Canadian healthcare system.

You obviously don't have a clue about reality, because you're stupid, self-aggrandizing ass thinks "I personally experienced THIS and thought THIS about, therefore that is reality for every single human on Earth."

This isn't your group therapy session, ass napkin, which means no one asked about your personal life. And for damned sure literally NO ONE is interested in hearing your anecdotal, supported-by-not-a-fucking-thing-except-your-word-for-it assertions as to how things are.

And "You disagree with me, so it MUST be that you listen to Rush Limbaugh!" argument is just another form of total surrender in my book.

Let me bottom line this for you, shitbrain: you're an idiot. No one here would take your word for it if you told us water runs downhill. This country doesn't want what you insist it have, and we aren't convinced to agree with you by you calling us stupid for not doing so.

Until you bestir your lazy, greedy leftist ass to actually read some of the MULTIPLE threads on the subject of healthcare and on your specific assertions, you are not worthy to speak on my screen, much less to actually be responded to as though you were an actual person.

Begone until you prove you can do better.

FLUSH!

 

[kyzr]

I remember Obama's promise that Obamacare would save all families about $2,500 a year, it actually cost them about $10,000 a year in deductibles, meaning that they basically pay premiums AND pay deductibles to see a doctor. McCain really screwed up not killing Obamacare when he had the chance.

The democrats are running on "single payer" Medicare for all, where the government pays for all healthcare, and its FREE when needed. I can't imagine the lines of people waiting to see doctors. I wonder what GS pay grade doctors would get?

These two links basically prove two main points:
1. About 20% of the population uses 80% of the healthcare system. Can you say "pre-existing conditions"?
Does 20% of the population really use 80% of health care dollars?
2. The bottom 50% of the population by income pays basically nothing for healthcare
How do health expenditures vary across the population? - Peterson-Kaiser Health System Tracker

How can we improve the US healthcare system?
1. The bottom half of the population needs to work to get healthcare, medicaid needs to be cut
2. The 20% of the sickest need top pay more for healthcare since they use most of the resource

Any better ideas??

Several.

First of all, people need to be getting their health insurance individually, the way they buy every other insurance they use, rather than being dependent on an employer to decide which plan is going to be offered and how much it's going to cost them. This would require several things.

1) Allow health insurance to be sold across state lines to increase competition.
2) Allow insurance companies more scope to tailor policies and coverage to what their customers want to buy.
3) Give individual purchasers the same sort of tax breaks on their insurance that employers currently enjoy.
4) Allow customers to form their own associations through which to buy insurance and get discounts available for larger customer pools.

Second of all, the patients need to also be the customers when it comes to using healthcare. Rather than mandating expansion of EVERY policy to cover EVERY possible use of medical care, we need to expand the use and availability of HSA and flexible spending accounts. Instead of sending premiums to an insurance company every paycheck, that money goes into an account pre-tax, and waits there for you to use it. And then when you need to visit a doctor, YOU see the prices, YOU decide what to spend and where. Prices for medical care will become lower and less obscure when doctors aren't having to figure out how to get around a bunch of bean-counters and algorithms at some insurance company.

Heard all this before for saving Obamacare. If 20% of the population uses 80% of the healthcare resources they need to pay more. The rest of us can't afford the high deductibles to keep everyone alive to 100. There needs to be lifetime limits on what we can afford, or the entire system will collapse. Medicare will be insolvent in 2026. Medicaid needs to be cut and managed better....
The real reason health care is bankrupting America

You've heard it all before because it's still true. Facts often work that way.

I have no idea what the rest of your post has to do with anything I said, given that none of the things you're harping on would be the case if my steps were implemented.

No offense, I'm looking at your recommendations as "fixing Obamacare". like Alexander & Murray tried to do
Inside the collapse of a bipartisan Obamacare deal

Congress & the Senate are a mess. They can't agree on anything. Hell, Ryan and the GOP couldn't even agree on how to fix immigration. Your fixes are fine, I support them, but I don't think they get us back to good healthcare with low deductibles, like we had before Obamacare.

 

[jasonnfree]

you have that backwards,,,it keeps getting more expensive because the government is involved,,,

just like with college tuition they know its a guaranteed check so they bump the price

Thé Government is not regulating enough

See the price of prescriptions vs countries with strict regulations?

Hello? McFly? Tuition prices were normal until the government stepped in to "help".
Then came relaxed admission standards, inflated tuition and book prices, and more cushy administrative jobs because hey, Uncle Sugar will pick up the tab. It's fucking sickening.

To think the exact same thing would not happen with medical care is folly.

Bull shit

Prescription prices were affordable until Big Pharm bought out our Congress

What are Nancy and the dems in the House doing to reduce drug costs? Thanks for playing.

"(Reuters) - The cost of insulin for treating type 1 diabetes in the United States nearly doubled over a five-year period, underscoring a national outcry over rising drug prices, according to a new analysis shared with Reuters. A person with type 1 diabetes incurred annual insulin costs of $5,705, on average, in 2016."
U.S. insulin costs per patient nearly doubled from 2012 to 2016: study - Reuters

CVS cuts cost for generic EpiPen competitor
The drugstore chain announced Thursday that it will sell a generic version of Impax Laboratories (IPXL)' Adrenaclick treatment for $109.99 per two-pack, down from $200. The drug company Mylan drew the ire of customers and Congress when it raised the price to more than $600 for an EpiPen two-pack.

Who signed the bill in 2003 that says govt could not negotiate drug prices?

Here's one link I come up with that gives blame to republicans.

Bill to Let Medicare Negotiate Drug Prices Is Blocked

 

[2aguy]

When I receive a messed up billing from a doctor I want the government to run healthcare as their punishment.

I feel the same way

After my wife was hospitalized for a week I got a stack of bills demanding payment before my insurance had even settled. I ended up negotiating between the doctors and my insurance over payment. Out of network doctors would show up and treat my wife and then my insurance refused to pay them

I met a guy from UK once who told me he had open heart surgery. He said he just showed his ID card when he checked in and never received a bill

How old was he? And he paid for that surgery through his taxes his entire life......and was lucky he met the requirements that allowed him to get that surgery.

I have a friend married to a guy from Britain, his mother and her father both had heart issues at the same time.....her dad went right in....his mother had to wait months to get the common procedure that we have here...

 

[2aguy]

Wrong.

We have mandatory auto insurance, and we're still all paying an item called "uninsured motorist".

This raises the question: If the the mandatory insurance laws works and everyone is required to have coverage, why is it we still have to pay for uninsured drivers?

It should not be mandatory, but insurance lobbyists bribed congressmen.

Now insurance companies have government laws backing them, not a good situation.

For example, in the UK, national healthcare is not required of all as far as using it; everyone pays for it in their taxes, but people who can afford it may go to private physicians as much as they want. We cannot pick and choose what programs our taxes go for. If we followed one of Warren's plans, we would be getting far more back in corporate taxes than we'd need to pay for Medicare for all. Too many Americans prefer to let the rich get richer and the poor die from lack of proper healthcare benefits. One percent of the population owns 80% of the money. And Republicans want to keep it that way.

For example, the UK and Canada have long since been debunked as being anything Americans would want or would tolerate. I get that you're not very bright and extremely behind on the news, as well as out of touch with anyone who isn't your tiny group of leftist friends and family, so I'm letting you know now that you're wasting everyone's time championing something that has already been dissected and rejected long since.

No such debunking has occurred. You obviously don't have a clue about reality. I have lived and worked in the EU and have experienced having universal health care for several years. You are wrong about it. Totally and completely wrong. What you believe is based on ignorance an having been brainwashed by such idiots as Rush Limbaugh and the like.

What fucking rock have you been living under for the last few years, Mensa Girl? There's a difference between "I didn't pay any attention" and "It didn't happen". The UK's failing NHS has been an open scandal in the news for ages. Ditto the downsides to the Canadian healthcare system.

You obviously don't have a clue about reality, because you're stupid, self-aggrandizing ass thinks "I personally experienced THIS and thought THIS about, therefore that is reality for every single human on Earth."

This isn't your group therapy session, ass napkin, which means no one asked about your personal life. And for damned sure literally NO ONE is interested in hearing your anecdotal, supported-by-not-a-fucking-thing-except-your-word-for-it assertions as to how things are.

And "You disagree with me, so it MUST be that you listen to Rush Limbaugh!" argument is just another form of total surrender in my book.

Let me bottom line this for you, shitbrain: you're an idiot. No one here would take your word for it if you told us water runs downhill. This country doesn't want what you insist it have, and we aren't convinced to agree with you by you calling us stupid for not doing so.

Until you bestir your lazy, greedy leftist ass to actually read some of the MULTIPLE threads on the subject of healthcare and on your specific assertions, you are not worthy to speak on my screen, much less to actually be responded to as though you were an actual person.

Begone until you prove you can do better.

FLUSH!

Notice....working in Europe is not being a citizen of Europe......getting treated as a foreigner and walking away is not the same as living in the country, getting too old to meet the equation for treatment, and putting on wait lists...

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I am not advocating for governmental take over.


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Unfortunately, the government does not give a damn.

They won't stop till they are successful, like everything else.

The government does what we the people allow them to do by continuing to vote the same two groups into power


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No, I never let them do anything.

They don't care that I don't approve and most are clueless.

So if "we the people" are in charge, does that mean we just like screwing ourselves 24/7?

All that proves is that people are mere sheep

We the people re-elect our Reps and Senators at a greater than 95% rate...that is is giving them permission.


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Indeed, a Congressional body that has had a continued approval rating of under 20%, and this is what we claim is democracy?

The issue is, the Federal government has been given too much power. Such power was never intended to be given to the body. The power was meant to stay at the state level.

Think of it, in the Federal Congress we only have two people to vote in or out, yet the rest decides our fate whom we have no power over?

Again, the US Federal Congress was never intended to have such power over everyone.

I agree entirely, but again, do we have anyone to blame but ourselves?