[POLL] - Liberals, how much is a "fair share?" - Taxes

What's the "fair share?"


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You have it backwards. Msft is the company built by copying others.

Quick, name something that Apple didn't steal?

I got nothing...

Look, both M$ and Apple were important to the technology revolution.

M$ supplied the brains, Apple supplied the hype.

And don't underestimate hype; the greatest program in the world is useless, if no one knows about it or uses it.

Creative Labs created the MP3 player, but it wasn't until Apple stole their intellectual property and made the iPod that the era of portable MP3's began. And Creative sued the fuck out of Apple, so everyone eventually won.

Apple steals technology from others, and markets it with amazing skill.

ROFL M$ brians? IBM provided the brains behind all M$ products right up to the divorce. What has M$ done since? version 3,4,5,6,7...? Revisions of office products they bought from other companies?

All great products are built on the inventions of others, but M$ brains is an oxymoron.
 
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These are the top ten income levels by state

Connecticut......................58,908 1 1
Massachusetts..................54,687 2 1
New*Jersey......................53,628 3 1
New*York.........................52,095 4 1
Maryland.........................51,971 5 1
North*Dakota....................51,893 6 0
Wyoming.........................48,670 7 0
Virginia...........................47,082 8 0
New*Hampshire...............47,058 9 1
Alaska............................46,778 10 0

That is six of the top ten are blue states.

Per Capita Personal Income U.S. and All States
Source: U.S. Dept. of Commerce, Bureau of Economic Analysis. Released March 2013.

These are the bottom ten

Arizona..........................35,979.....41 0
Alabama..........................35,625..........42 0
New*Mexico....................35,079..........43 1
Kentucky........................35,041...........44 1
Arkansas.......................34,723...........45 1
Utah............................34,601........46 0
West*Virginia................34,477.......47 1
South*Carolina...............34,266........48 0
Idaho............................33,749...........49 0
Mississippi.....................33,073..........50 0

Six of the bottom ten are red states.

What the hell are the right wing conservatives here even talking about? They produce less. They make less. They pay less in taxes. So why do they think they are entitled to an opinion?
 
You don't understand GDP. GDP is the final end product only. It doesn't double count. It only counts the end use products. The end use product price includes all the costs for all the labor and material, the value added, all the way up the supply chain to the source of the raw materials. This is exactly what GDP is.

"Gross domestic product (GDP) is the market value of all officially recognized final goods and services produced within a country in a given period of time. GDP per capita is often considered an indicator of a country's standard of living......Under economic theory, GDP per capita exactly equals the gross domestic income (GDI) per capita ."

Gross domestic product - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It accounts for the dollar value of all the work done by all the people that worked.
GDP is the total of all private and public spending. Private spending includes the embedded taxes. Those taxes then are counted as "public" spending. I don't know what I can tell you dude, you don't know what you're talking about.

Nor am I giving zero to owners. They make more, because they are smart. You make less because you don't know what GDP is.
You gave the whole GDP to the workers, explain how owners are getting anything?

GDP is exactly not what you said. I admit that you are clueless. I really honestly can't believe that you got GDP so completely wrong and actually had the nards to post it.

You are wrong, but spectacularly so! At least you're not mediocre.
 
Democracy isn't in the Constitution...

Universal suffrage is definitely in the Constitution.

I'll explain that to you. The United States is a republic, it's not a democracy.

The States (i.e., republics) are democracies. The various amendments related to voting, such as universal suffrage, suffrage, ban on poll taxes and that sort of thing relate to voting in the republics, which while having some actual democracy (e.g., propositions in California), are generally representative democracies, meaning they represent people to vote for them. Senators, Representatives, governors that sort of thing.

Try a dictionary. You'll find if you look that a republic is a country without a monarch, so we are that, and a democracy is a country that uses voting to make decisions either directly or by election of representatives.

Conservatives have been programmed to deny democracy so they will support rule by minority. In other words tyranny.
 
Government spending, revenue, and regulations are three separate issues. Business behavior by the number of businesses in each of the various industries are still other separate issues.

Broad brush statements placing blame point to someone that is making up a straw-man to serve an agenda.

I agree with the "agenda" to be more careful in going forward with Wars against sovereign nations because we don't like their religious beliefs or the products they make or the gangs of thugs that roam in their borders.

" Broad brush statements placing blame point to someone that is making up a straw-man to serve an agenda."

Another conservative against accountability.

Private citizens aren't required to be "accountable' to anyone except under a tyranny.

This is plain old irresponsibility. Conservative entitlement thinking. Living in the greatest country in the word for free and without obligation. If it were up to me you'd be on a boat out.
 
Yes, and the democrat plan is to force deterioration of our society. Each and very year of deterioration making the business challenge more and more difficult. Thus, allowing the government to step in, take control of each and every industry, to save the day for the mess they created.

Actually what is forcing deterioration, not unexpectedly, is make more money regardless of the cost to others, as the sole rule of business.

It's extremism which never works.

Businesses have to follow the law like everyone else. What stops you from making money regardless of the cost to anyone else?

The good sense to know that businesses grow best by focusing on employees and customers and products. It's not possible to be successful by cutting costs.
 
$109,703.86 per year average income.


The gross domestic product for 2012 was $15684.80 billion.

There were 142,974,000 people employed.

So, the average income should be $109,703.86 per year.

That is exactly what it should be.

So, that would be the "fair share" number. $109,703.86 per year average income.

Why should it be that, comrade?

And if you steal from those who produce to give to those who do not, how long would the mean GDP stay at this level? Why would Andrew Gove design chips if he is to be robbed and get the same as a wino rotting in a alley? Why would Bill Gates design marvelous software? Why would Steve Jobs steal what Gates created and market it to drooling sycophants?

What you communists cannot grasp is motivation. Your greed creates nothing. If you succeed in robbing others, what motivation do they have to produce and create?

Typical juvenile idiotic grossly oversimplified black and white non thinking. Probably from the Ayn Rand Classic Comic.

All of those people started with nothing and that's when they did their best work. Anybody who's good works hard because that's who they are. Only people like you believe that only greedy people work hard. It's a myth.
 
Hey [MENTION=43872]PMZ[/MENTION], how much do they pay you to come on here every day and preach about the wonders of socialism?
 
Hey [MENTION=43872]PMZ[/MENTION], how much do they pay you to come on here every day and preach about the wonders of socialism?

Nobody pays me anything. Obviously you're not worth paying anything Adolf.
 
" Broad brush statements placing blame point to someone that is making up a straw-man to serve an agenda."

Another conservative against accountability.

Private citizens aren't required to be "accountable' to anyone except under a tyranny.

This is plain old irresponsibility. Conservative entitlement thinking. Living in the greatest country in the word for free and without obligation.

You display the totalitarian attitude to a 'T', brainiac. All dictators believe citizens who fail to obey orders are "irresponsible." However, in a free country, citizens only have the responsibilities they agree to. Believe it nor not, starting a business doesn't make you responsible to some blowhard politicians.

If it were up to me you'd be on a boat out.

I'm sure I would be, or better yet sent to a reeducation camp where I'll learn my "responsibilities," eh Colonel Klink?
 
Actually what is forcing deterioration, not unexpectedly, is make more money regardless of the cost to others, as the sole rule of business.

It's extremism which never works.

Businesses have to follow the law like everyone else. What stops you from making money regardless of the cost to anyone else?

The good sense to know that businesses grow best by focusing on employees and customers and products. It's not possible to be successful by cutting costs.

But there is no legal obstacle preventing you from "screwing people," is there? You can make as much money as you want to regardless of the cost to others, right?
 
$109,703.86 per year average income.


The gross domestic product for 2012 was $15684.80 billion.

There were 142,974,000 people employed.

So, the average income should be $109,703.86 per year.

That is exactly what it should be.

So, that would be the "fair share" number. $109,703.86 per year average income.

Why should it be that, comrade?

And if you steal from those who produce to give to those who do not, how long would the mean GDP stay at this level? Why would Andrew Gove design chips if he is to be robbed and get the same as a wino rotting in a alley? Why would Bill Gates design marvelous software? Why would Steve Jobs steal what Gates created and market it to drooling sycophants?

What you communists cannot grasp is motivation. Your greed creates nothing. If you succeed in robbing others, what motivation do they have to produce and create?

Typical juvenile idiotic grossly oversimplified black and white non thinking. Probably from the Ayn Rand Classic Comic.

All of those people started with nothing and that's when they did their best work. Anybody who's good works hard because that's who they are. Only people like you believe that only greedy people work hard. It's a myth.

So you think Andy Grove and Bill Gates would have worked just as hard if they knew the government was going to confiscate every dime they had?
 
Actually what is forcing deterioration, not unexpectedly, is make more money regardless of the cost to others, as the sole rule of business.

It's extremism which never works.

Businesses have to follow the law like everyone else. What stops you from making money regardless of the cost to anyone else?

The good sense to know that businesses grow best by focusing on employees and customers and products. It's not possible to be successful by cutting costs.

I would argue with that. Cutting costs is what mass production is all about.

Why do you think the rules should be any different for business than they are for you?
 
BriPat loves to show off ignorance. He sees no problem with the one rule, make more money regardless of the cost to others. He thinks that society would be fine with that one rule. One law. Nothing else required. As long as everyone is screwing everyone else, civilization is optimized.

The smallest amount of freedom we have ever experienced was in the cave days. Yet that's what we chose to leave. And what conservatives want to return to.
 
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BriPat loves to show off ignorance. He sees no problem with the one rule, make more money regardless of the cost to others. He thinks that society would be fine with that one rule. One law. Nothing else required. As long as everyone is screwing everyone else, civilization is optimized.

The smallest amount of freedom we have ever experienced was in the cave days. Yet that's what we chose to leave. And what conservatives want to return to.

We have hundreds of thousands of pages of rules called "The Federal Register." But here you are babbling on as if there are no rules. Which rules do you imagine businesses don't follow, the ones actually on the books or the ones you just made up in your head?
 
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These are the same folks that support "health care is a right" as John Lewis stated the other day. Now excuse me John as I respect the hell out of you as a true American hero. You stood face to face with Bull Connor and had your head bashed in, you defeated the liar Julian Bond here years ago in the face of him and his cronies labeling you "Buckwheat" but you are wrong on this.
Forcing others to provide their skill set to others and the tests and procedures that may go along with it for nothing because it is determined that is a right is false.
 

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