[POLL] - Liberals, how much is a "fair share?" - Taxes

[Gadawg73]

NO bank loans any money these days, and for good reason, unless the business is well capitalized.
Workers in manufacturing are a dime a dozen.
Not the same for skilled jobs. Good plumber with 7 years under his belt makes 75K easy here in metro Atlanta. Many of them are under 30.

 

[Gadawg73]

Must be nice to be retired. With massive increases in taxes, regulations, fees, rules and statutes the small business man has to put that off until late in life.

 

[PMZ]

NO bank loans any money these days, and for good reason, unless the business is well capitalized.
Workers in manufacturing are a dime a dozen.
Not the same for skilled jobs. Good plumber with 7 years under his belt makes 75K easy here in metro Atlanta. Many of them are under 30.

"Workers in manufacturing are a dime a dozen. "

The product of trading their careers for executive bonuses.

Now their role as consumers is also in China. And the cost of supporting dime a dozen workers is on the tax payer. Building our debt.

Masterful fucking plan.

 

[Gadawg73]

NO bank loans any money these days, and for good reason, unless the business is well capitalized.
Workers in manufacturing are a dime a dozen.
Not the same for skilled jobs. Good plumber with 7 years under his belt makes 75K easy here in metro Atlanta. Many of them are under 30.

"Workers in manufacturing are a dime a dozen. "

The product of trading their careers for executive bonuses.

Now their role as consumers is also in China. And the cost of supporting dime a dozen workers is on the tax payer. Building our debt.

Masterful fucking plan.

China is an export economy only for the masses.
You are an intelligent man. Why the stubborness and refusal to admit that capital is the only thing that funds a start up business? Why can't you admit that is a fact?
How else does a business start without capital investment?
You were the one that forced business to make your products for an affordable price. You shop and buy goods that are affordable to you.
Blame yourself if the shoes you wear are made in China. You will not pay a man $20 a hour in wages and benefits for a pair of shoes someone with a 5th grade education that can run a machine.
Why do you want to keep people stupid and label them as unintelligent propping up remedial manufacturing jobs in this country? Sounds elitist to me.

 

[Gadawg73]

Uneducated and lethargic workers are a dime a dozen here. The only ones with a very strong work ethic are the Hispanics you see that are out on the street looking for work.
I can not find workers to pay $15 a hour that are American. Why work when they can draw benefits and all you hear is "If you pay cash and do not send me a 1099 or W-2".
Welcome to the reality of America.

 

[PMZ]

NO bank loans any money these days, and for good reason, unless the business is well capitalized.
Workers in manufacturing are a dime a dozen.
Not the same for skilled jobs. Good plumber with 7 years under his belt makes 75K easy here in metro Atlanta. Many of them are under 30.

"Workers in manufacturing are a dime a dozen. "

The product of trading their careers for executive bonuses.

Now their role as consumers is also in China. And the cost of supporting dime a dozen workers is on the tax payer. Building our debt.

Masterful fucking plan.

China is an export economy only for the masses.
You are an intelligent man. Why the stubborness and refusal to admit that capital is the only thing that funds a start up business? Why can't you admit that is a fact?
How else does a business start without capital investment?
You were the one that forced business to make your products for an affordable price. You shop and buy goods that are affordable to you.
Blame yourself if the shoes you wear are made in China. You will not pay a man $20 a hour in wages and benefits for a pair of shoes someone with a 5th grade education that can run a machine.
Why do you want to keep people stupid and label them as unintelligent propping up remedial manufacturing jobs in this country? Sounds elitist to me.

We, the people are responsible for government. We hire and fire our representatives. Democracy.

The only choices we have in business are who to buy what from. And who we work for. The middle class doesn't have the choice to buy or work.

If we could fire the fat cat, starve the wealth creators, over stuff the wealth suckers, shrink to success, innovation killers, we would, and replace them with visionaries and problem solvers.

But, that hiring and firing of executives takes place at country club bars among the bar flies collected there.

 

[PMZ]

The most common non solution to any real problem, offered by conservatives, is to start your own business.

That's going on at a record rate.

Lawn mowing.

What a wealth creator that is. We gave China all of our manufacturing technology, fattened all of the fat cats, and now we mow their lawns.

I did that @ 10.

 

[kaz]

The most common non solution to any real problem, offered by conservatives, is to start your own business.

That's going on at a record rate.

Lawn mowing.

What a wealth creator that is. We gave China all of our manufacturing technology, fattened all of the fat cats, and now we mow their lawns.

I did that @ 10.

I like the irony, we're outsourcing our lower end work to China, which you're against, and you're against doing lower end work after the age of 10. Off-shoring jobs is great for our economy.

1) It reduces prices for American consumers

2) It increases the competitiveness of American company prices which increases jobs selling products and services domestically and internationally.

3) It creates higher end, better paying, decision making jobs here.

4) It isn't just an outflow of jobs, it creates hybrid processes and other new jobs here.

5) It increases the wealth of consumers in other countries, who then become markets for our products.

BTW, I know what I'm talking about. I am a proud offshore mover of many IT support jobs to India in multiple of my positions in GE management and in management consulting. You are someone who just swallows the leftist fear mantra.

 

[PMZ]

The most common non solution to any real problem, offered by conservatives, is to start your own business.

That's going on at a record rate.

Lawn mowing.

What a wealth creator that is. We gave China all of our manufacturing technology, fattened all of the fat cats, and now we mow their lawns.

I did that @ 10.

I like the irony, we're outsourcing our lower end work to China, which you're against, and you're against doing lower end work after the age of 10. Off-shoring jobs is great for our economy.

1) It reduces prices for American consumers

2) It increases the competitiveness of American company prices which increases jobs selling products and services domestically and internationally.

3) It creates higher end, better paying, decision making jobs here.

4) It isn't just an outflow of jobs, it creates hybrid processes and other new jobs here.

5) It increases the wealth of consumers in other countries, who then become markets for our products.

BTW, I know what I'm talking about. I am a proud offshore mover of many IT support jobs to India in multiple of my positions in GE management and in management consulting. You are someone who just swallows the leftist fear mantra.

I believe that business is successful from a national perspective when there is a well paying job that challenges every workers capabilities.

We've never been further from that standard.

Your position, businesses position, is that executives and businesses are both making record money, so there's no problem.

Do you really believe that $17T in debt is no problem?

 

[kaz]

Your position, businesses position, is that executives and businesses are both making record money, so there's no problem.

Do you really believe that $17T in debt is no problem?

Where did you come up with that strawman? You have to walk me through the logic on that one. I realize once I get sucked into a liberal's mind with no logical way out, I may never escape. That that was such a bizarre leap, I have to ask...

 

[Uncensored2008]

"Workers in manufacturing are a dime a dozen. "

The product of trading their careers for executive bonuses.

Now their role as consumers is also in China. And the cost of supporting dime a dozen workers is on the tax payer. Building our debt.

Masterful fucking plan.

You shouldn't have sent the jobs to China, Comrade Retard.

 

[kaz]

"Workers in manufacturing are a dime a dozen. "

The product of trading their careers for executive bonuses.

Now their role as consumers is also in China. And the cost of supporting dime a dozen workers is on the tax payer. Building our debt.

Masterful fucking plan.

You shouldn't have sent the jobs to China, Comrade Retard.

We have the highest corporate tax rates in the industrialized world, we're burying businesses and government makes job providers pay for people who don't work. Government forces employees to join unions who then use that leverage to attain artificially high salary and benefits while reducing accountability and making it impossible to fire the incompetent. And now government is sticking employers with responsibility to provide health care or get fined. Add that to the massive regulations, red tape and bureaucracy employers go through already and is only growing.

Then Obama and the leftists are all like WTF? Why are companies moving overseas?



Here's a dollar, buy a clue.

 

[Uncensored2008]

We have the highest corporate tax rates in the industrialized world, we're burying businesses and government makes job providers pay for people who don't work. Government forces employees to join unions who then use that leverage to attain artificially high salary and benefits while reducing accountability and making it impossible to fire the incompetent. And now government is sticking employers with responsibility to provide health care or get fined. Add that to the massive regulations, red tape and bureaucracy employers go through already and is only growing.

Then Obama and the leftists are all like WTF? Why are companies moving overseas?



Here's a dollar, buy a clue.

Not to mention environmental laws that essentially outlawed the steel and printed circuit board industries.

 

[kaz]

We have the highest corporate tax rates in the industrialized world, we're burying businesses and government makes job providers pay for people who don't work. Government forces employees to join unions who then use that leverage to attain artificially high salary and benefits while reducing accountability and making it impossible to fire the incompetent. And now government is sticking employers with responsibility to provide health care or get fined. Add that to the massive regulations, red tape and bureaucracy employers go through already and is only growing.

Then Obama and the leftists are all like WTF? Why are companies moving overseas?



Here's a dollar, buy a clue.

Not to mention environmental laws that essentially outlawed the steel and printed circuit board industries.

Great point uncensored. And wow, they are stupid. Is building power plants in Nevada across the border from California because the liberal government on principle won't approve a new plant in California really better for the California environment?

And what about oil refineries being built in Canada and Mexico because the US won't allow new refineries built in the US? So the plant is across the border outside our ability to regulate safety? Or sailing oil on a boat across an ocean? How are those better for the environment exactly?

Liberalism is group stupidity.

 

[PMZ]

Your position, businesses position, is that executives and businesses are both making record money, so there's no problem.

Do you really believe that $17T in debt is no problem?

Where did you come up with that strawman? You have to walk me through the logic on that one. I realize once I get sucked into a liberal's mind with no logical way out, I may never escape. That that was such a bizarre leap, I have to ask...

Our debt demonstrably comes from Bush's tax cuts, Bush's holy wars, the effect of the Great Recession on revenue and the cost of buying our way out of the Great Recession.

The Great Recession is the product of Wall St mismanagement in the housing boom and bust, and giving away millions of good American jobs and the consumption that they allowed.

Now instead of high value adding manufacturing, we're mowing lawns.

Brilliant.

 

[PMZ]

The extreme right counters with if we just acted like a poor country our problems would be solved.

We couldn't breathe the air or drink the water.

We could have lavishly wealthy economic royalty and abject poverty side by side.

We could move millions to non-living wages.

We could trash the future for today.

We could use up what fossil fuels remain and then go back to the caves.

We could have real good old fashioned plagues killing millions because health care is a right of wealth only.

We could eliminate education for all but the wealthy and send the unemployed teachers into prostitution like real poor countries do.

This is the Republican vision. The anti-American dream.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Our debt demonstrably comes from Bush's tax cuts,

Is it, Comrade Retard?

When Bush took office, the national debt was $5.73 trillion. When he left, it was $10.7 trillion.

Now it is $17.1 trillion.

Obama has added more debt than any president in history, nearly double the debt that Bush added - even though he has three more years on his term.

Bush's holy wars, the effect of the Great Recession on revenue and the cost of buying our way out of the Great Recession.

The Great Recession is the product of Wall St mismanagement in the housing boom and bust, and giving away millions of good American jobs and the consumption that they allowed.

Comrade Retard, you may be an idiot and a lair, but at least.... uh.... um..

There is no "at least," you're just an idiot and a liar.

Now instead of high value adding manufacturing, we're mowing lawns.

Brilliant.

You shouldn't have sent the jobs to China, Comrade Retard!

 

[kaz]

Your position, businesses position, is that executives and businesses are both making record money, so there's no problem.

Do you really believe that $17T in debt is no problem?

Where did you come up with that strawman? You have to walk me through the logic on that one. I realize once I get sucked into a liberal's mind with no logical way out, I may never escape. That that was such a bizarre leap, I have to ask...

Our debt demonstrably comes from Bush's tax cuts, Bush's holy wars, the effect of the Great Recession on revenue and the cost of buying our way out of the Great Recession.

The Great Recession is the product of Wall St mismanagement in the housing boom and bust, and giving away millions of good American jobs and the consumption that they allowed.

Now instead of high value adding manufacturing, we're mowing lawns.

Brilliant.

Whew, I was too confused by your naked frolic through the forest to be sucked into the random hallways in your brain. Just so you know, with normal people, you start at point a, then walk through the steps to arrive at point b. I won't tempt fate again.

 

[PMZ]

"Workers in manufacturing are a dime a dozen. "

The product of trading their careers for executive bonuses.

Now their role as consumers is also in China. And the cost of supporting dime a dozen workers is on the tax payer. Building our debt.

Masterful fucking plan.

You shouldn't have sent the jobs to China, Comrade Retard.

I didn't. Business executives did. Now America is paying big time for their stupidity.

And you Nazis are supporting them. The poorer the country is the less resistance there will be to the SS saving us.

 

[kaz]

"Workers in manufacturing are a dime a dozen. "

The product of trading their careers for executive bonuses.

Now their role as consumers is also in China. And the cost of supporting dime a dozen workers is on the tax payer. Building our debt.

Masterful fucking plan.

You shouldn't have sent the jobs to China, Comrade Retard.

I didn't. Business executives did. Now America is paying big time for their stupidity.

And you Nazis are supporting them. The poorer the country is the less resistance there will be to the SS saving us.

Offshoring jobs is great for our economy. It's bad for socialists because you love fear, it's a great tool.