[POLL] - Liberals, how much is a "fair share?" - Taxes

[Gadawg73]

Want to debate any of those things?

You are admittedly not a conservative so paragraph 1-5 is opinion only
As a conservative this is what I believe:
No one has trained me to question science and I do not accept mythology
No one has trained me to believe spending is the only cause of debt but controlling spending lowers the debt.
I do not support unemployment as good under any situation
I work hard and do not care if others do as that is there business. It is none of your business what I make and it is none of business what you make. You need to mind your own business and stay out of what others make. I make no assumptions of what others make. I do not care if you are wealthy or not as that is not any of my business. If you are I do not label you as evil because you have wealth.
No one has trained me to believe your claims on what wealthy people have or do not have
No one has trained me to believe your claims that the decline of America is from anything
No one has trained me to stereotype others based on their national origin as unlike you, I do not judge and stereotype others including their national origin.
No one has trained me to stereotype others based on their religion as unlike you, I do not judge and stereotype people of other religions I do not know
No has trained me to stereotype women, gays, whatever.
As a conservative I oppose the power of government to decide who gets an abortion and who does not and leave that health decision to the mother. You support the power of government.
As a conservative I supported open service for gays and lesbians in the military while you and the Democrats supported kicking them out under Don't Ask Don't Tell which was a Democratic policy under Clinton. Who trained you to be a supporter of discrimination?
As a conservative I supported gay marriage when the Democrats and Obama opposed it. Who trained you to discriminate against gays?
As a conservative I opposed preachers named Robertson and Jackson running for President. You supported the Democrats and Jackson won 9 primaries and received millions of votes. Who trained you to oppose separation of church and state?
As a conservative I support the 2nd Amendment. Who trained you to believe that has been amended?
As a conservative I support women's rights. Who trained you to believe that is was not Republicans that fought for women to vote and Democrats never opposed it?
Stick to what you know and what you support and believe because you are way off base with your silly crystal ball attempting to label others you do not know and have no clue what their beliefs are.
It is obvious you were trained to be an elitist snob. That clearly stands out for you.
I bet top dollar there is a long list of folks that have called you that to your face.

Good news. You're not a conservative.

LOL, you just do not get it. You ARE an elitist snob.
I am a strong fiscal conservative.
Those of us in small business for 35 years have to be to survive.
Conservatism is for less government.
You can not define yourself so you label others.
Just like an old women coming and asking someone for their opinion on something and then telling them they are wrong for having that opinion.
You need to get out in the real world where we are risking every penny we have running our businesses in an increasingly anti business climate in this country. Higher taxes, government mandates, rules, regulations and a growing class of citizens that believe they have a right to a job.

 

[Gadawg73]

"you believe this so that makes you that"
The arrogance of some people.

 

[FA_Q2]

We spend a huge amounts of money on laws specifying responsible behavior and law enforcement and adjudication. Yet we still have significant crime.

Yet you say with no laws and no law enforcement and adjudication, people we now define as criminals would become honest, upstanding citizens.

I, honestly, had no idea delusion ran this deep.

Those who ignore history are bound to repeat it.

No, I didn’t say that at all now did I. The delusion is all on your side of the isle my friend. I can easily construct a bomb tomorrow and kill a hundred people without much effort on my part. I have easy access to the materials needed and they are readily available to many other people. They are not monitored or controlled. I even think that I would not get caught. It is not the jail time that stops me from doing so. The real barrier is that the very concept is horrific.

You stated it yourself as well, we STILL have crime. That is a fact. Obviously those so called laws are not doing much in the way of stopping the criminals either. Incarceration is really what makes the difference – the criminals are removed. The real number that you are missing though is the simple fact that you point out ‘significant’ crime when, in fact, crime is EXTREMELY low. There are 308,745,538 people in this nation. That’s 308 MILLION!
2010 United States Census - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Only 2,418,352 are in prison (2008):
Incarceration in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Many of those did not even commit a ‘crime’ in all honesty as they are there on drug charges that do not have a victim. Even at worst case, you are looking at around 2 percent of people are ‘criminals.’ That number is a LOT lower when you are considering just rape and murder but I will take your comment as symbolic of almost all crimes for the moment. To call your neighbors rapists and murderers is not only a leap in logic – it is completely schizophrenic.

Did you forget that Rotweiner was campaigning for anarchy? No government. No laws. No law enforcement. The law of the jungle only. Only the strongest survive. The place that mankind chose to leave thousands of years ago.

The life of gorillas and monkeys.

That's what he thinks of the human race.

Rotweiner?

That is what YOU think of the human race. Those that advocate for anarchy actually think VERY highly of the human race (though I disagree that we people are evolved enough for such an idea to work). It certainly is NOT a lack of faith in the human race that anarchists have.

You have made it quite clear that is what YOU have a problem with. You have openly admitted that you think that your neighbors are murderers and rapists, failed to address the actual facts of the matter and then continue to scream and kick for governmental intervention/control to remove all our freedoms out of fear.

What surprises me is the lefts ability to claim that the right is the party of fear when you have articulated that you are actually fearful. It is really sad.

 

[PMZ]

You are admittedly not a conservative so paragraph 1-5 is opinion only
As a conservative this is what I believe:
No one has trained me to question science and I do not accept mythology
No one has trained me to believe spending is the only cause of debt but controlling spending lowers the debt.
I do not support unemployment as good under any situation
I work hard and do not care if others do as that is there business. It is none of your business what I make and it is none of business what you make. You need to mind your own business and stay out of what others make. I make no assumptions of what others make. I do not care if you are wealthy or not as that is not any of my business. If you are I do not label you as evil because you have wealth.
No one has trained me to believe your claims on what wealthy people have or do not have
No one has trained me to believe your claims that the decline of America is from anything
No one has trained me to stereotype others based on their national origin as unlike you, I do not judge and stereotype others including their national origin.
No one has trained me to stereotype others based on their religion as unlike you, I do not judge and stereotype people of other religions I do not know
No has trained me to stereotype women, gays, whatever.
As a conservative I oppose the power of government to decide who gets an abortion and who does not and leave that health decision to the mother. You support the power of government.
As a conservative I supported open service for gays and lesbians in the military while you and the Democrats supported kicking them out under Don't Ask Don't Tell which was a Democratic policy under Clinton. Who trained you to be a supporter of discrimination?
As a conservative I supported gay marriage when the Democrats and Obama opposed it. Who trained you to discriminate against gays?
As a conservative I opposed preachers named Robertson and Jackson running for President. You supported the Democrats and Jackson won 9 primaries and received millions of votes. Who trained you to oppose separation of church and state?
As a conservative I support the 2nd Amendment. Who trained you to believe that has been amended?
As a conservative I support women's rights. Who trained you to believe that is was not Republicans that fought for women to vote and Democrats never opposed it?
Stick to what you know and what you support and believe because you are way off base with your silly crystal ball attempting to label others you do not know and have no clue what their beliefs are.
It is obvious you were trained to be an elitist snob. That clearly stands out for you.
I bet top dollar there is a long list of folks that have called you that to your face.

Good news. You're not a conservative.

LOL, you just do not get it. You ARE an elitist snob.
I am a strong fiscal conservative.
Those of us in small business for 35 years have to be to survive.
Conservatism is for less government.
You can not define yourself so you label others.
Just like an old women coming and asking someone for their opinion on something and then telling them they are wrong for having that opinion.
You need to get out in the real world where we are risking every penny we have running our businesses in an increasingly anti business climate in this country. Higher taxes, government mandates, rules, regulations and a growing class of citizens that believe they have a right to a job.

Conservativism has nearly destroyed American business, government, and religion. It is absolutely unaffordable in every application. The truth of that is well documented, measurable, and undeniable. Yet the cult denies it.

Why is it that all conservatives are exactly equally ignorant about simple facts?

Is there any other explanation than propaganda? Brain washing?

 

[FA_Q2]

One thing yesterday proved is that conservatism contains nests of anarchists intent on weakening resistance to them imposing what's best for them on all of us.

We have proven ithat the "Liberals" contains nests of socialists intent on weakening resistance to them imposing what's best for them on all of us.

Why would we want any, any, of those in our government?

.

Conservatives are trained to believe everyone left of them are liberals and socialists.

Conservatives are trained to fear the second most common economic system used in the world and our country.

Conservatives are trained to support weak government as strong government is what is in the way of them imposing demonstrably dysfunctional conservatism on the majority.

Conservatives are trained to believe that the tyranny of a minority creates freedom while the democracy of the majority reduces it.

Conservatives are trained to respect only the unamended Constitution that the founders used to establish an aristocracy of wealthy white males.

Conservatives are trained to question science and accept mythology.

Conservatives are trained to believe that spending is the only cause of debt.

Conservatives are trained to believe that unemployed Americans are good because they are desperate and will therefore work for less

Conservatives are trained to believe that hard work is all that's required to be wealthy, and therefore all poor do not work hard enough.

Conservatives are trained to believe that what's wrong with 20% of the people having 85% of the wealth, is that the 20% doesn't have more.

Conservatives are trained to believe that the cause of the decline of America since the rise of conservatism are Democrats, liberals, government, all workers but especially Union members or government workers, all races other than Caucasian, all religions other than Christianity, all nationalities other than American, women, the poor, illegal workers recruited here by business, customers, gays, all of those who don't own guns, the educated and intelligent, young and old people, mainstream media, Al Gore, George Soros, Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden and all of the Obamas.

Conservatives are trained to goose step with precision.

You seem to claim to know a lot about a philosophy that you have absolutely no connection with. Let me help you – not one single thing that you posted is correct. Not one. I suggest that you actually educate yourself rather than claiming the other guy holds beliefs that are quite clearly crazy. I understand that it is VERY easy to justify yourself when you can point to crazy as being worse b8ut you will find the world much more interesting once you realize that those opposing your beliefs are not doing so because they are mentally insane. It opens you up to all sorts of actual possibilities rather than running in fear (of which you already admitted to doing).

 

[PMZ]

"you believe this so that makes you that"
The arrogance of some people.

What is arrogant about what you believe makes you what you are?

Common sense to me.

 

[bripat9643]

I'm not sure what your point is.

Blind squirrel could find it.

Maybe. But apparently you can't explain it.

He still hasn't explained what the "rule of law" is, despite being asked to explain it about 20 times. You would think that when someone uses a term in every other sentence that they could tell you what it means.

 

[dcraelin]

Thanks for showing your true colors, you fucking Nazi.

They, like you, were right wing extremists as they, like you, thought that their biggest enemy were Communists.

There is something called Godwins law I believe that says the first person that brings up the Nazis in a forum has lost the argument. Looks like in this case thats you Bripat.
Sometimes I think you can tell a party by its funders more than its rhetoric. The Nazis were funded by big business. Some even think they were partially funded by banks in the US. A Bush ancestor or his company, Prescott? I believe got in trouble for dealing with the enemy.

Sounds to me like you went wrong at the point where you mistakenly believed you were thinking.

Why bother typing if you cant say something more constructive than a mindless insult?

 

[PMZ]

We have proven ithat the "Liberals" contains nests of socialists intent on weakening resistance to them imposing what's best for them on all of us.

Why would we want any, any, of those in our government?

.

Conservatives are trained to believe everyone left of them are liberals and socialists.

Conservatives are trained to fear the second most common economic system used in the world and our country.

Conservatives are trained to support weak government as strong government is what is in the way of them imposing demonstrably dysfunctional conservatism on the majority.

Conservatives are trained to believe that the tyranny of a minority creates freedom while the democracy of the majority reduces it.

Conservatives are trained to respect only the unamended Constitution that the founders used to establish an aristocracy of wealthy white males.

Conservatives are trained to question science and accept mythology.

Conservatives are trained to believe that spending is the only cause of debt.

Conservatives are trained to believe that unemployed Americans are good because they are desperate and will therefore work for less

Conservatives are trained to believe that hard work is all that's required to be wealthy, and therefore all poor do not work hard enough.

Conservatives are trained to believe that what's wrong with 20% of the people having 85% of the wealth, is that the 20% doesn't have more.

Conservatives are trained to believe that the cause of the decline of America since the rise of conservatism are Democrats, liberals, government, all workers but especially Union members or government workers, all races other than Caucasian, all religions other than Christianity, all nationalities other than American, women, the poor, illegal workers recruited here by business, customers, gays, all of those who don't own guns, the educated and intelligent, young and old people, mainstream media, Al Gore, George Soros, Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden and all of the Obamas.

Conservatives are trained to goose step with precision.

You seem to claim to know a lot about a philosophy that you have absolutely no connection with. Let me help you – not one single thing that you posted is correct. Not one. I suggest that you actually educate yourself rather than claiming the other guy holds beliefs that are quite clearly crazy. I understand that it is VERY easy to justify yourself when you can point to crazy as being worse b8ut you will find the world much more interesting once you realize that those opposing your beliefs are not doing so because they are mentally insane. It opens you up to all sorts of actual possibilities rather than running in fear (of which you already admitted to doing).

I wish you were right but the postings of conservatives here are evidence against it.

 

[PMZ]

Blind squirrel could find it.

Maybe. But apparently you can't explain it.

He still hasn't explained what the "rule of law" is, despite being asked to explain it about 20 times. You would think that when someone uses a term in every other sentence that they could tell you what it means.

Again three short and simple words. Which one confuses you?

 

[bripat9643]

Conservatives are trained to believe everyone left of them are liberals and socialists.

Conservatives are trained to fear the second most common economic system used in the world and our country.

Conservatives are trained to support weak government as strong government is what is in the way of them imposing demonstrably dysfunctional conservatism on the majority.

Conservatives are trained to believe that the tyranny of a minority creates freedom while the democracy of the majority reduces it.

Conservatives are trained to respect only the unamended Constitution that the founders used to establish an aristocracy of wealthy white males.

Conservatives are trained to question science and accept mythology.

Conservatives are trained to believe that spending is the only cause of debt.

Conservatives are trained to believe that unemployed Americans are good because they are desperate and will therefore work for less

Conservatives are trained to believe that hard work is all that's required to be wealthy, and therefore all poor do not work hard enough.

Conservatives are trained to believe that what's wrong with 20% of the people having 85% of the wealth, is that the 20% doesn't have more.

Conservatives are trained to believe that the cause of the decline of America since the rise of conservatism are Democrats, liberals, government, all workers but especially Union members or government workers, all races other than Caucasian, all religions other than Christianity, all nationalities other than American, women, the poor, illegal workers recruited here by business, customers, gays, all of those who don't own guns, the educated and intelligent, young and old people, mainstream media, Al Gore, George Soros, Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden and all of the Obamas.

Conservatives are trained to goose step with precision.

You seem to claim to know a lot about a philosophy that you have absolutely no connection with. Let me help you – not one single thing that you posted is correct. Not one. I suggest that you actually educate yourself rather than claiming the other guy holds beliefs that are quite clearly crazy. I understand that it is VERY easy to justify yourself when you can point to crazy as being worse b8ut you will find the world much more interesting once you realize that those opposing your beliefs are not doing so because they are mentally insane. It opens you up to all sorts of actual possibilities rather than running in fear (of which you already admitted to doing).

I wish you were right but the postings of conservatives here are evidence against it.

Your postings prove that you're a commie, a Nazi, a liar and an idiot.

 

[bripat9643]

Maybe. But apparently you can't explain it.

He still hasn't explained what the "rule of law" is, despite being asked to explain it about 20 times. You would think that when someone uses a term in every other sentence that they could tell you what it means.

Again three short and simple words. Which one confuses you?

Again, you decline to explain it. Obviously you can't.

 

[bripat9643]

There is something called Godwins law I believe that says the first person that brings up the Nazis in a forum has lost the argument. Looks like in this case thats you Bripat.
Sometimes I think you can tell a party by its funders more than its rhetoric. The Nazis were funded by big business. Some even think they were partially funded by banks in the US. A Bush ancestor or his company, Prescott? I believe got in trouble for dealing with the enemy.

Sounds to me like you went wrong at the point where you mistakenly believed you were thinking.

Why bother typing if you cant say something more constructive than a mindless insult?

Perhaps you should ask PMS that question.

 

[PMZ]

For those who question my assessment of conservatives I offer BriPat as compelling evidence. He's obviously all that I claim and more extreme.

 

[Uncensored2008]

'Censored' is the kind of person that responsible people relocate to avoid.

Comrade Retard; your odds of being shot are highest by;

1. A black gang member
2. A "redneck"
3. Law Enforcement

I hope you guess #3, Comrade Retard

 

[Uncensored2008]

Me personally, like most people, I haven't ever been in a situation where law enforcement needed to use a firearm to protect themselves.

Things have changed radically in this nation over the last decade. The police have been largely nationalized. Not outright, but effectively. Departments are addicted to two revenue streams, the federal money pouring in, and the money they get through armed robbery.

The federal money is in the form of grants for anti-drug and anti-terrorism efforts. This involves training and equipment to transform police into paramilitary shock troops. Federal programs train these soldiers to view the public as the enemy, to be subdued as needed.

While these paramilitary troops will shoot and kill a civilian with any or no provocation, they are not the most dangerous faction of the jack-booted storm troopers who roam our nation.

Armed robbery is a major part of virtually all police work now. Setting up and executing major armed robberies is the means for most departments to fund cool toys like fancy cars, boats, houses, and electronics.

A euphemism of "Asset Forfeiture" is employed, since armed robbery does not poll well with the general public. But the act of sticking a gun in someone's face, taking what they own, and killing them if they resist is the same, regardless of the name used.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform/end-policing-profit

Law enforcement kills people every day in this nation.

List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States, 2012 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I ran into someone just the other day that had real emotional issues. Similar to you, he soon began talking about the CIA and the black helicopters.

Seriously. You need to stay on your medication.

ROFL

You need to take Obama's cock out of your mouth.

I realize that you are just a leftist thug, seeking to recreate North Korea.

 

[PMZ]

'Censored' is the kind of person that responsible people relocate to avoid.

Comrade Retard; your odds of being shot are highest by;

1. A black gang member
2. A "redneck"
3. Law Enforcement

I hope you guess #3, Comrade Retard

Those aren't my odds butthead.

 

[PMZ]

Me personally, like most people, I haven't ever been in a situation where law enforcement needed to use a firearm to protect themselves.

Things have changed radically in this nation over the last decade. The police have been largely nationalized. Not outright, but effectively. Departments are addicted to two revenue streams, the federal money pouring in, and the money they get through armed robbery.

The federal money is in the form of grants for anti-drug and anti-terrorism efforts. This involves training and equipment to transform police into paramilitary shock troops. Federal programs train these soldiers to view the public as the enemy, to be subdued as needed.

While these paramilitary troops will shoot and kill a civilian with any or no provocation, they are not the most dangerous faction of the jack-booted storm troopers who roam our nation.

Armed robbery is a major part of virtually all police work now. Setting up and executing major armed robberies is the means for most departments to fund cool toys like fancy cars, boats, houses, and electronics.

A euphemism of "Asset Forfeiture" is employed, since armed robbery does not poll well with the general public. But the act of sticking a gun in someone's face, taking what they own, and killing them if they resist is the same, regardless of the name used.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform/end-policing-profit

Law enforcement kills people every day in this nation.

List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States, 2012 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I ran into someone just the other day that had real emotional issues. Similar to you, he soon began talking about the CIA and the black helicopters.

Seriously. You need to stay on your medication.

ROFL

You need to take Obama's cock out of your mouth.

I realize that you are just a leftist thug, seeking to recreate North Korea.

More evidence of what I claimed of conservatives being true. The problem with Republicans is that they'll take in every stray dog from the street. They have no standards, no platform, no goals, no mission, so that they really represent nothing.

Until they can get their act together and stand for some progress their fortunes will continue down.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Those aren't my odds butthead.

You think you're immune? Stalin was most deadly to his closest confidants.

You fools always think that the party will only kill your enemies.

 

[Uncensored2008]

More evidence of what I claimed of conservatives being true. The problem with Republicans is that they'll take in every stray dog from the street. They have no standards, no platform, no goals, no mission, so that they really represent nothing.

Until they can get their act together and stand for some progress their fortunes will continue down.

More evidence that what I say of the American left is true; the difference between you and the Khmer Rouge is nonexistent. The only reason that we don't have mass killing fields is that you lack the power to employ them. You have the desire, the lust, you simply lack the means to execute your desire.