[POLL] - Liberals, how much is a "fair share?" - Taxes

[Cecilie1200]

1017 previous posts and still no number that should be considered a "fair share"...

Did you actually expect them to give you an answer, rather than spouting their rote talking points in an attempt to 1) justify their insistence that there IS such an apocryphal figure, and 2) convince everyone to just shut up and pay whatever they're told to in the never-ending search for the aforementioned apocryphal figure?

 

[PMZ]

FYI... SS taxes have doubled every 15years or so, thus the older the generation the less by % they had to pay by about 4x the current generation.

It's called inflation.

You would probably prefer the old Eskimo ice flow trick, right? If someone lives longer than their money, send them packing. I think that Sarah called them death panels.

No dufus, it's called pyramid scheme. Inflation went up for salaries as well. The issue is % of our money required to pay for SS that also includes medicare now and did not at the start. Are you really this dumb or do you just act like it?

Actually, no, I'm not dumb. There is a chance that you are not either. Just misinformed, and therefore ignorant. Of course, that's your choice.

You didn't answer my question. If not for SS and Medicare, more people would outlive their money. Fact. What would you do with them. Shoot them?

 

[PMZ]

1017 previous posts and still no number that should be considered a "fair share"...

Why on earth would you expect a single number? The world hasn't been that simple for thousands of years.

 

[RKMBrown]

It's called inflation.

You would probably prefer the old Eskimo ice flow trick, right? If someone lives longer than their money, send them packing. I think that Sarah called them death panels.

No dufus, it's called pyramid scheme. Inflation went up for salaries as well. The issue is % of our money required to pay for SS that also includes medicare now and did not at the start. Are you really this dumb or do you just act like it?

Actually, no, I'm not dumb. There is a chance that you are not either. Just misinformed, and therefore ignorant. Of course, that's your choice.

You didn't answer my question. If not for SS and Medicare, more people would outlive their money. Fact. What would you do with them. Shoot them?

Families used to live together.. I like that better than paying parents to die alone. That said what should happen is folks are given their money back so they can invest and spend it as they wish. Charity is for people to provide voluntarily, not by force of law.

 

[PMZ]

No dufus, it's called pyramid scheme. Inflation went up for salaries as well. The issue is % of our money required to pay for SS that also includes medicare now and did not at the start. Are you really this dumb or do you just act like it?

Actually, no, I'm not dumb. There is a chance that you are not either. Just misinformed, and therefore ignorant. Of course, that's your choice.

You didn't answer my question. If not for SS and Medicare, more people would outlive their money. Fact. What would you do with t hem. Shoot them?

Families used to live together.. I like that better than paying parents to die alone. That said what should happen is folks are given their money back so they can invest and spend it as they wish.

Fine. Have at it. But you still didn't answer the question.

 

[PMZ]

It seems like one of the problems with those who get their opinions from Republican advertising is that they have no world experience. They seem to have zero first hand experience with other countries that practice what they preach. In fact, they apparently are instructed to disregard our own experience practicing what they preach.

I have no knowledge of how cultism works but I suppose that it is a variation of hypnotism. The power of suggestion. If all of your input comes from one source, you have no idea if it's lies. Nothing to compare it to.

Sad to see.

 

[RKMBrown]

Actually, no, I'm not dumb. There is a chance that you are not either. Just misinformed, and therefore ignorant. Of course, that's your choice.

You didn't answer my question. If not for SS and Medicare, more people would outlive their money. Fact. What would you do with t hem. Shoot them?

Families used to live together.. I like that better than paying parents to die alone. That said what should happen is folks are given their money back so they can invest and spend it as they wish.

Fine. Have at it. But you still didn't answer the question.

Yes I did. I'll number the two answers since you seem to have missed them.

>> What would you do with them.
1) Families used to live together.. I like that better than paying parents to die alone. Folks that run out of money and can't / don't want to work should turn to family. Such as retiring to live with their kids.
2) Folks should be given their money back, that they paid into SS and Medicare, so they can invest and spend their money as they wish. For example, give everyone in the USA a cash check to a 401k in payment for every dollar that was paid into SS minus every dollar that was paid to them directly.

 

[RKMBrown]

It seems like one of the problems with those who get their opinions from Republican advertising is that they have no world experience. They seem to have zero first hand experience with other countries that practice what they preach. In fact, they apparently are instructed to disregard our own experience practicing what they preach.

I have no knowledge of how cultism works but I suppose that it is a variation of hypnotism. The power of suggestion. If all of your input comes from one source, you have no idea if it's lies. Nothing to compare it to.

Sad to see.

This fantasy of yours should really be explained to a psychiatrist. I have no idea what you expect out of talking about it here, other than to let everyone see how nutz you are.

 

[Foxfyre]

Folks should be given their money back, that they paid into SS and Medicare, so they can invest and spend their money as they wish. For example, give everyone in the USA a cash check to a 401k in payment for every dollar that was paid into SS minus every dollar that was paid to them directly.

That won't work as there isn't enough left of those funds to support those who are already near or at retirement age. They have been severely depleted by inflation over the years. To be just, the government would have to return every dollar paid in but adjust it for inflation plus a reasonable return had the citizen had that money to save and draw interest or invest.

We do need to begin now to slowly and carefully privatize all retirement accounts, including those held by employers to ensure that there won't be another Enron or Madoff scandal. And we have to accept that if people fail to save for their old age, it will be the responsibility of family and/or private charities to take care of them. That sounds cruel and harsh, but it really isn't. We either have freedom and personal responsibility for our choices or we give government power to assign us the rights we will have. There is nothing in between those two options.

 

[Wyatt earp]

It's called inflation.

You would probably prefer the old Eskimo ice flow trick, right? If someone lives longer than their money, send them packing. I think that Sarah called them death panels.

No dufus, it's called pyramid scheme. Inflation went up for salaries as well. The issue is % of our money required to pay for SS that also includes medicare now and did not at the start. Are you really this dumb or do you just act like it?

Actually, no, I'm not dumb. There is a chance that you are not either. Just misinformed, and therefore ignorant. Of course, that's your choice.

You didn't answer my question. If not for SS and Medicare, more people would outlive their money. Fact. What would you do with them. Shoot them?

What does this post mean? are you suggesting Americans are to stupid to invest their money with out being forced to pay into S.S.? just a question how come I didnt get my wifes contribution into S.S. when she died? all I got was $250 bucks, and a thank you for playing that game.

 

[RKMBrown]

Folks should be given their money back, that they paid into SS and Medicare, so they can invest and spend their money as they wish. For example, give everyone in the USA a cash check to a 401k in payment for every dollar that was paid into SS minus every dollar that was paid to them directly.

That won't work as there isn't enough left of those funds to support those who are already near or at retirement age. They have been severely depleted by inflation over the years. To be just, the government would have to return every dollar paid in but adjust it for inflation plus a reasonable return had the citizen had that money to save and draw interest or invest.

We do need to begin now to slowly and carefully privatize all retirement accounts, including those held by employers to ensure that there won't be another Enron or Madoff scandal. And we have to accept that if people fail to save for their old age, it will be the responsibility of family and/or private charities to take care of them. That sounds cruel and harsh, but it really isn't. We either have freedom and personal responsibility for our choices or we give government power to assign us the rights we will have. There is nothing in between those two options.

You mean they cant just "print" as much money as they want? Why not? What would stop them from having the fed write us all checks? They do it all the time just like the other 17T they can just borrow more. Or the 40+Trillion in checks they wrote to the banking cartel to "save" the planet from the recession.

 

[PMZ]

All in all, just more evidence of what I said.

"It seems like one of the problems with those who get their opinions from Republican advertising is that they have no world experience. They seem to have zero first hand experience with other countries that practice what they preach. In fact, they apparently are instructed to disregard our own experience practicing what they preach."

Where you have been led by your cult addition is to the land where what has demonstrably failed, works. Where what has demonstrably worked, fails. So you wander around, on script, proposing solutions to non-problems, and ignoring real problems. Again, right on que.

It's embarrassing that you call yourself Americans.

What is even more tragic for America, is that this strategy that seems to be the Republican's only hope for redemption, is also demonstrably failing. So in the end, nothing good will have been done to offset the costs of great damage.

Just a bunch of media zombies wandering aimlessly, looking for relevance.

The only historical equivalence that I can see were the Dark Ages, where the media of the time, the church, led people down a road that had no basis in humanity. Mankind almost didn't survive those holy wars, denial of science, class warfare, worship of status, and attention to unimportant things and ignor-ance of important things.

We have sacrificed a great deal to evolve from the founders only choice, plutocracy, to our salvation, democracy. Returning to governance by wealth is unthinkable, no matter what Newspeak blares at us 24/7/365.

 

[PMZ]

Families used to live together.. I like that better than paying parents to die alone. That said what should happen is folks are given their money back so they can invest and spend it as they wish.

Fine. Have at it. But you still didn't answer the question.

Yes I did. I'll number the two answers since you seem to have missed them.

>> What would you do with them.
1) Families used to live together.. I like that better than paying parents to die alone. Folks that run out of money and can't / don't want to work should turn to family. Such as retiring to live with their kids.
2) Folks should be given their money back, that they paid into SS and Medicare, so they can invest and spend their money as they wish. For example, give everyone in the USA a cash check to a 401k in payment for every dollar that was paid into SS minus every dollar that was paid to them directly.

Once more, what do you do with the people who outlive their money?

 

[PMZ]

Folks should be given their money back, that they paid into SS and Medicare, so they can invest and spend their money as they wish. For example, give everyone in the USA a cash check to a 401k in payment for every dollar that was paid into SS minus every dollar that was paid to them directly.

That won't work as there isn't enough left of those funds to support those who are already near or at retirement age. They have been severely depleted by inflation over the years. To be just, the government would have to return every dollar paid in but adjust it for inflation plus a reasonable return had the citizen had that money to save and draw interest or invest.

We do need to begin now to slowly and carefully privatize all retirement accounts, including those held by employers to ensure that there won't be another Enron or Madoff scandal. And we have to accept that if people fail to save for their old age, it will be the responsibility of family and/or private charities to take care of them. That sounds cruel and harsh, but it really isn't. We either have freedom and personal responsibility for our choices or we give government power to assign us the rights we will have. There is nothing in between those two options.

You mean they cant just "print" as much money as they want? Why not? What would stop them from having the fed write us all checks? They do it all the time just like the other 17T they can just borrow more.

You apparently have to deny what policies caused us to spend, not the $17T we presently owe, but even more. Nearly $20T that is the difference from where we could be, to where we are.

And that SS and Medicare both have significant surpluses now. The retirement savings of middle class America. The retirement savings that the wealthy don't need, and that the unemployed poor of America can't afford.

 

[PMZ]

Folks should be given their money back, that they paid into SS and Medicare, so they can invest and spend their money as they wish. For example, give everyone in the USA a cash check to a 401k in payment for every dollar that was paid into SS minus every dollar that was paid to them directly.

That won't work as there isn't enough left of those funds to support those who are already near or at retirement age. They have been severely depleted by inflation over the years. To be just, the government would have to return every dollar paid in but adjust it for inflation plus a reasonable return had the citizen had that money to save and draw interest or invest.

We do need to begin now to slowly and carefully privatize all retirement accounts, including those held by employers to ensure that there won't be another Enron or Madoff scandal. And we have to accept that if people fail to save for their old age, it will be the responsibility of family and/or private charities to take care of them. That sounds cruel and harsh, but it really isn't. We either have freedom and personal responsibility for our choices or we give government power to assign us the rights we will have. There is nothing in between those two options.

While true inflation has some impact, it's not what you imply. Inflation floats all boats. Wages, costs, interest rates. So a dollar invested in 1950, may buy less in 2013, but it's no longer a dollar. Unless it was buried in the back yard, it's 10 dollars.

 

[PMZ]

No dufus, it's called pyramid scheme. Inflation went up for salaries as well. The issue is % of our money required to pay for SS that also includes medicare now and did not at the start. Are you really this dumb or do you just act like it?

Actually, no, I'm not dumb. There is a chance that you are not either. Just misinformed, and therefore ignorant. Of course, that's your choice.

You didn't answer my question. If not for SS and Medicare, more people would outlive their money. Fact. What would you do with them. Shoot them?

What does this post mean? are you suggesting Americans are to stupid to invest their money with out being forced to pay into S.S.? just a question how come I didnt get my wifes contribution into S.S. when she died? all I got was $250 bucks, and a thank you for playing that game.

Obviously your joke doesn't have anything to do with the difference between republicans and democrats. It has to do with what you've fallen for. The difference as described by 24/7/365 republican media campaign advertising. Have you also fallen for the Mercedes ads? The Infomercials? The Viagra ads?

 

[PMZ]

Folks should be given their money back, that they paid into SS and Medicare, so they can invest and spend their money as they wish. For example, give everyone in the USA a cash check to a 401k in payment for every dollar that was paid into SS minus every dollar that was paid to them directly.

That won't work as there isn't enough left of those funds to support those who are already near or at retirement age. They have been severely depleted by inflation over the years. To be just, the government would have to return every dollar paid in but adjust it for inflation plus a reasonable return had the citizen had that money to save and draw interest or invest.

We do need to begin now to slowly and carefully privatize all retirement accounts, including those held by employers to ensure that there won't be another Enron or Madoff scandal. And we have to accept that if people fail to save for their old age, it will be the responsibility of family and/or private charities to take care of them. That sounds cruel and harsh, but it really isn't. We either have freedom and personal responsibility for our choices or we give government power to assign us the rights we will have. There is nothing in between those two options.

You mean they cant just "print" as much money as they want? Why not? What would stop them from having the fed write us all checks? They do it all the time just like the other 17T they can just borrow more. Or the 40+Trillion in checks they wrote to the banking cartel to "save" the planet from the recession.

"the 40+Trillion in checks they wrote to the banking cartel"

It would be good to post some evidence of this.

 

[RKMBrown]

That won't work as there isn't enough left of those funds to support those who are already near or at retirement age. They have been severely depleted by inflation over the years. To be just, the government would have to return every dollar paid in but adjust it for inflation plus a reasonable return had the citizen had that money to save and draw interest or invest.

We do need to begin now to slowly and carefully privatize all retirement accounts, including those held by employers to ensure that there won't be another Enron or Madoff scandal. And we have to accept that if people fail to save for their old age, it will be the responsibility of family and/or private charities to take care of them. That sounds cruel and harsh, but it really isn't. We either have freedom and personal responsibility for our choices or we give government power to assign us the rights we will have. There is nothing in between those two options.

You mean they cant just "print" as much money as they want? Why not? What would stop them from having the fed write us all checks? They do it all the time just like the other 17T they can just borrow more. Or the 40+Trillion in checks they wrote to the banking cartel to "save" the planet from the recession.

"the 40+Trillion in checks they wrote to the banking cartel"

It would be good to post some evidence of this.

Why, you don't listen to evidence. You have some "other" person talking to you in your head.

global credit stock doubled from $57 trillion to $109 trillion in just 10 years (from 2000 to 2010)

Total Global Debt Has To Double To Over $200 Trillion By 2020 To Preserve Economic Growth | Zero Hedge

 

[Eric Cartman]

Folks should be given their money back, that they paid into SS and Medicare, so they can invest and spend their money as they wish. For example, give everyone in the USA a cash check to a 401k in payment for every dollar that was paid into SS minus every dollar that was paid to them directly.

That won't work as there isn't enough left of those funds to support those who are already near or at retirement age. They have been severely depleted by inflation over the years. To be just, the government would have to return every dollar paid in but adjust it for inflation plus a reasonable return had the citizen had that money to save and draw interest or invest.

We do need to begin now to slowly and carefully privatize all retirement accounts, including those held by employers to ensure that there won't be another Enron or Madoff scandal. And we have to accept that if people fail to save for their old age, it will be the responsibility of family and/or private charities to take care of them. That sounds cruel and harsh, but it really isn't. We either have freedom and personal responsibility for our choices or we give government power to assign us the rights we will have. There is nothing in between those two options.

Is there any reason to think that poverty rates among the elderly wouldn't skyrocket to the level they were before Social Security? Could they even be worse because of the competitive global labor market?

 

[PMZ]

You mean they cant just "print" as much money as they want? Why not? What would stop them from having the fed write us all checks? They do it all the time just like the other 17T they can just borrow more. Or the 40+Trillion in checks they wrote to the banking cartel to "save" the planet from the recession.

"the 40+Trillion in checks they wrote to the banking cartel"

It would be good to post some evidence of this.

Why, you don't listen to evidence. You have some "other" person talking to you in your head.

global credit stock doubled from $57 trillion to $109 trillion in just 10 years (from 2000 to 2010)

Total Global Debt Has To Double To Over $200 Trillion By 2020 To Preserve Economic Growth | Zero Hedge

"the 40+Trillion in checks they wrote to the banking cartel"

So, what your reference says, and what you said, are almost completely disconnected. Thought so.