Poll- Marriage Equality

[Skylar]

If you want a marriage that the government has nothing to do with nor recognizes......you can have it.

If you want a marriage that the government protects and recognizes.....you can have it.

Sounds like a win-win to me.

But if Aunt Marry and Aunt Sue want to live together to make ends meet and not get married they should have the same rights as married folk without marriage

Rights such as.....what?

The same rights gays were after dingleberry, or was that all just over nothing?

Give us a few examples.

Rights and benefits[edit]

• Right to benefits while married:
  • Employment assistance and transitional services for spouses of members being separated from military service; continued commissary privileges
  • Per diem payment to spouse for federal civil service employees when relocating
  • Indian Health Service care for spouses of Native Americans (in some circumstances)
  • Sponsor husband/wife for immigration benefits
• Larger benefits under some programs if married, including:
  • Veteran's disability
  • Supplemental Security Income
  • Disability payments for federal employees
  • Medicaid
  • Property tax exemption for homes of totally disabled veterans
  • Income tax deductions, credits, rates exemption, and estimates
  • Wages of an employee working for one's spouse are exempt from federal unemployment tax[3]
• Joint and family-related rights:
  • Joint filing of bankruptcy permitted
  • Joint parenting rights, such as access to children's school records
  • Family visitation rights for the spouse and non-biological children, such as to visit a spouse in a hospital or prison
  • Next-of-kin status for emergency medical decisions or filing wrongful death claims
  • Custodial rights to children, shared property, child support, and alimony after divorce
  • Domestic violence intervention
  • Access to "family only" services, such as reduced rate memberships to clubs & organizations or residency in certain neighborhoods
• Preferential hiring for spouses of veterans in government jobs
• Tax-free transfer of property between spouses (including on death) and exemption from "due-on-sale" clauses.
• Special consideration to spouses of citizens and resident aliens
• Threats against spouses of various federal employees is a federal crime
• Right to continue living on land purchased from spouse by National Park Service when easement granted to spouse
• Court notice of probate proceedings
• Domestic violence protection orders
• Existing homestead lease continuation of rights
• Regulation of condominium sales to owner-occupants exemption
• Funeral and bereavement leave
• Joint adoption and foster care
• Joint tax filing
• Insurance licenses, coverage, eligibility, and benefits organization of mutual benefits society
• Legal status with stepchildren
• Making spousal medical decisions
• Spousal non-resident tuition deferential waiver
• Permission to make funeral arrangements for a deceased spouse, including burial or cremation
• Right of survivorship of custodial trust
• Right to change surname upon marriage
• Right to enter into prenuptial agreement
• Right to inheritance of property
• Spousal privilege in court cases (the marital confidences privilege and the spousal testimonial privilege)
• For those divorced or widowed, the right to many of ex- or late spouse's benefits, including:
  • Social Security pension
  • Veteran's pensions, indemnity compensation for service-connected deaths, medical care, and nursing home care, right to burial in veterans' cemeteries, educational assistance, and housing
  • survivor benefits for federal employees
  • Survivor benefits for spouses of longshoremen, harbor workers, railroad workers
  • Additional benefits to spouses of coal miners who die of black lung disease
  • $100,000 to spouse of any public safety officer killed in the line of duty
  • Continuation of employer-sponsored health benefits
  • Renewal and termination rights to spouse's copyrights on death of spouse
  • Continued water rights of spouse in some circumstances
  • Payment of wages and workers compensation benefits after worker death
  • Making, revoking, and objecting to post-mortem anatomical gifts

So unmarried couples should get employment assistance from the government.....because the government shouldn't be involved in marriage?

Do you note any contradiction in that position?

 

[mdk]

It's coming from a Hanns Hermann Hoppeian point of view actually.

That explains so much. Hopp isn't a libertarian, but he is a statist asshole.

 

[OffensivelyOpenMinded]

But if Aunt Marry and Aunt Sue want to live together to make ends meet and not get married they should have the same rights as married folk without marriage

Rights such as.....what?

The same rights gays were after dingleberry, or was that all just over nothing?

Give us a few examples.

Rights and benefits[edit]

• Right to benefits while married:
  • Employment assistance and transitional services for spouses of members being separated from military service; continued commissary privileges
  • Per diem payment to spouse for federal civil service employees when relocating
  • Indian Health Service care for spouses of Native Americans (in some circumstances)
  • Sponsor husband/wife for immigration benefits
• Larger benefits under some programs if married, including:
  • Veteran's disability
  • Supplemental Security Income
  • Disability payments for federal employees
  • Medicaid
  • Property tax exemption for homes of totally disabled veterans
  • Income tax deductions, credits, rates exemption, and estimates
  • Wages of an employee working for one's spouse are exempt from federal unemployment tax[3]
• Joint and family-related rights:
  • Joint filing of bankruptcy permitted
  • Joint parenting rights, such as access to children's school records
  • Family visitation rights for the spouse and non-biological children, such as to visit a spouse in a hospital or prison
  • Next-of-kin status for emergency medical decisions or filing wrongful death claims
  • Custodial rights to children, shared property, child support, and alimony after divorce
  • Domestic violence intervention
  • Access to "family only" services, such as reduced rate memberships to clubs & organizations or residency in certain neighborhoods
• Preferential hiring for spouses of veterans in government jobs
• Tax-free transfer of property between spouses (including on death) and exemption from "due-on-sale" clauses.
• Special consideration to spouses of citizens and resident aliens
• Threats against spouses of various federal employees is a federal crime
• Right to continue living on land purchased from spouse by National Park Service when easement granted to spouse
• Court notice of probate proceedings
• Domestic violence protection orders
• Existing homestead lease continuation of rights
• Regulation of condominium sales to owner-occupants exemption
• Funeral and bereavement leave
• Joint adoption and foster care
• Joint tax filing
• Insurance licenses, coverage, eligibility, and benefits organization of mutual benefits society
• Legal status with stepchildren
• Making spousal medical decisions
• Spousal non-resident tuition deferential waiver
• Permission to make funeral arrangements for a deceased spouse, including burial or cremation
• Right of survivorship of custodial trust
• Right to change surname upon marriage
• Right to enter into prenuptial agreement
• Right to inheritance of property
• Spousal privilege in court cases (the marital confidences privilege and the spousal testimonial privilege)
• For those divorced or widowed, the right to many of ex- or late spouse's benefits, including:
  • Social Security pension
  • Veteran's pensions, indemnity compensation for service-connected deaths, medical care, and nursing home care, right to burial in veterans' cemeteries, educational assistance, and housing
  • survivor benefits for federal employees
  • Survivor benefits for spouses of longshoremen, harbor workers, railroad workers
  • Additional benefits to spouses of coal miners who die of black lung disease
  • $100,000 to spouse of any public safety officer killed in the line of duty
  • Continuation of employer-sponsored health benefits
  • Renewal and termination rights to spouse's copyrights on death of spouse
  • Continued water rights of spouse in some circumstances
  • Payment of wages and workers compensation benefits after worker death
  • Making, revoking, and objecting to post-mortem anatomical gifts

So unmarried couples should get employment assistance from the government.....because the government shouldn't be involved in marriage?

Do you note any contradiction in that position?

Nice goal post moving there.

 

[Ringel05]

They used violence to promote their ideology. Murder, bank robbery ect ect. There were 4 of them. All are in prison.

Yeah, not into the bank robbery or murder either.

that's odd !as everything you spew reeks of a twisted religious view.

Well it's not coming from a religious point of view. Sorry to break it to ya.

false! you may know believe it isn't but in fact it is..

False! No it's not. It's coming from a Hanns Hermann Hoppeian point of view actually.

Figures.......

What do you know about Hoppe?

Unlike you I read even that which is fantasy rantings, I'm a lifelong student of humanity.

 

[OffensivelyOpenMinded]

It's coming from a Hanns Hermann Hoppeian point of view actually.

That explains so much. Hopp isn't a libertarian, but he is a statist asshole.

Lol! Some fag lover on the internet says Hoppe is a statist.

 

[OffensivelyOpenMinded]

Yeah, not into the bank robbery or murder either.
Well it's not coming from a religious point of view. Sorry to break it to ya.

false! you may know believe it isn't but in fact it is..

False! No it's not. It's coming from a Hanns Hermann Hoppeian point of view actually.

Figures.......

What do you know about Hoppe?

Unlike you I read even that which is fantasy rantings, I'm a lifelong student of humanity.

I have read more than you could in your lifetime, fag lover.

 

[Ringel05]

false! you may know believe it isn't but in fact it is..

False! No it's not. It's coming from a Hanns Hermann Hoppeian point of view actually.

Figures.......

What do you know about Hoppe?

Unlike you I read even that which is fantasy rantings, I'm a lifelong student of humanity.

I have read more than you could in your lifetime, fag lover.

Sure you have Sparky......

 

[Skylar]

Rights such as.....what?

The same rights gays were after dingleberry, or was that all just over nothing?

Give us a few examples.

Rights and benefits[edit]

• Right to benefits while married:
  • Employment assistance and transitional services for spouses of members being separated from military service; continued commissary privileges
  • Per diem payment to spouse for federal civil service employees when relocating
  • Indian Health Service care for spouses of Native Americans (in some circumstances)
  • Sponsor husband/wife for immigration benefits
• Larger benefits under some programs if married, including:
  • Veteran's disability
  • Supplemental Security Income
  • Disability payments for federal employees
  • Medicaid
  • Property tax exemption for homes of totally disabled veterans
  • Income tax deductions, credits, rates exemption, and estimates
  • Wages of an employee working for one's spouse are exempt from federal unemployment tax[3]
• Joint and family-related rights:
  • Joint filing of bankruptcy permitted
  • Joint parenting rights, such as access to children's school records
  • Family visitation rights for the spouse and non-biological children, such as to visit a spouse in a hospital or prison
  • Next-of-kin status for emergency medical decisions or filing wrongful death claims
  • Custodial rights to children, shared property, child support, and alimony after divorce
  • Domestic violence intervention
  • Access to "family only" services, such as reduced rate memberships to clubs & organizations or residency in certain neighborhoods
• Preferential hiring for spouses of veterans in government jobs
• Tax-free transfer of property between spouses (including on death) and exemption from "due-on-sale" clauses.
• Special consideration to spouses of citizens and resident aliens
• Threats against spouses of various federal employees is a federal crime
• Right to continue living on land purchased from spouse by National Park Service when easement granted to spouse
• Court notice of probate proceedings
• Domestic violence protection orders
• Existing homestead lease continuation of rights
• Regulation of condominium sales to owner-occupants exemption
• Funeral and bereavement leave
• Joint adoption and foster care
• Joint tax filing
• Insurance licenses, coverage, eligibility, and benefits organization of mutual benefits society
• Legal status with stepchildren
• Making spousal medical decisions
• Spousal non-resident tuition deferential waiver
• Permission to make funeral arrangements for a deceased spouse, including burial or cremation
• Right of survivorship of custodial trust
• Right to change surname upon marriage
• Right to enter into prenuptial agreement
• Right to inheritance of property
• Spousal privilege in court cases (the marital confidences privilege and the spousal testimonial privilege)
• For those divorced or widowed, the right to many of ex- or late spouse's benefits, including:
  • Social Security pension
  • Veteran's pensions, indemnity compensation for service-connected deaths, medical care, and nursing home care, right to burial in veterans' cemeteries, educational assistance, and housing
  • survivor benefits for federal employees
  • Survivor benefits for spouses of longshoremen, harbor workers, railroad workers
  • Additional benefits to spouses of coal miners who die of black lung disease
  • $100,000 to spouse of any public safety officer killed in the line of duty
  • Continuation of employer-sponsored health benefits
  • Renewal and termination rights to spouse's copyrights on death of spouse
  • Continued water rights of spouse in some circumstances
  • Payment of wages and workers compensation benefits after worker death
  • Making, revoking, and objecting to post-mortem anatomical gifts

So unmarried couples should get employment assistance from the government.....because the government shouldn't be involved in marriage?

Do you note any contradiction in that position?

Nice goal post moving there.

Just noting the inherent contradiction of wanting the government out of marriage....while demanding government programs and assistance related to marriage.

 

[mdk]

It's coming from a Hanns Hermann Hoppeian point of view actually.

That explains so much. Hopp isn't a libertarian, but he is a statist asshole.

Lol! Some fag lover on the internet says Hope is a statist.

Is Hopp going to use magic to rid the nation of Jews, fags, Muslims, and, Germans? lol. No, he is going to wield the power of the oppressive state. He is a loon not a libertarian.

 

[daws101]

false! you may know believe it isn't but in fact it is..

False! No it's not. It's coming from a Hanns Hermann Hoppeian point of view actually.

another nut job and homophobe....you can rally pick the winners,

Lol @ "homophobe"! Another non-existant, made up fairytale from the left.

tell me there slapdick what words aren't made up ?

The ones that refer to real things.

homophobia is real as it gets .
Homophobia encompasses a range of negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality or people who are identified or perceived as being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender (LGBT).[1][2][3] It has been defined as contempt, prejudice, aversion, hatred or antipathy, may be based on irrational fear, and is sometimes related to religious beliefs.[4]

Homophobia is observable in critical and hostile behavior such as discrimination and violence on the basis of sexual orientations that are non-heterosexual.[1][2] Recognized types of homophobia include institutionalized homophobia, e.g. religious homophobia and state-sponsored homophobia, and internalized homophobia, experienced by people who have same-sex attractions, regardless of how they identify.

Forms of homophobia toward identifiable LGBT social groups have similar yet specific names: lesbophobia – the intersection of homophobia and sexism directed against lesbians, biphobia – towards bisexuality and bisexual people, and transphobia, which targets transsexualism, transsexual and transgender people, and gender variance or gender role nonconformity.[1][3][5]

In the USA, according to the 2010 Hate Crimes Statistics released by the FBI National Press Office, 19.3 percent of hate crimes across the United States "were motivated by a sexual orientation bias."[6] Moreover, in a Southern Poverty Law Center 2010 Intelligence Report extrapolating data from fourteen years (1995–2008), which had complete data available at the time, of the FBI's national hate crime statistics found that LGBT people were "far more likely than any other minority group in the United States to be victimized by violent hate crime."[7]

Homophobia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A word is meaningful because a society gives it meaning. That's really all it takes to make a "real" word. Since the commonly understood meaning for the word is someone who has some sort of fear involving gay people, I'd say it's a real word.

 

[daws101]

nope I'm a actual atheist and still not gay.
that reaction tells me I on to something...

Lol...this guy is proud of being an atheist. What an accomplishment!

oh so your are religious ... thanks

You obviously don't get what I meant by that. Lol

obviously I do...

No. Try again. Think this time. Go read the post one more time...there is more than one way to take it...and the way I meant it is not how you took it.

that's another classic dodge.

 

[Votto]

The same rights gays were after dingleberry, or was that all just over nothing?

Give us a few examples.

Rights and benefits[edit]

• Right to benefits while married:
  • Employment assistance and transitional services for spouses of members being separated from military service; continued commissary privileges
  • Per diem payment to spouse for federal civil service employees when relocating
  • Indian Health Service care for spouses of Native Americans (in some circumstances)
  • Sponsor husband/wife for immigration benefits
• Larger benefits under some programs if married, including:
  • Veteran's disability
  • Supplemental Security Income
  • Disability payments for federal employees
  • Medicaid
  • Property tax exemption for homes of totally disabled veterans
  • Income tax deductions, credits, rates exemption, and estimates
  • Wages of an employee working for one's spouse are exempt from federal unemployment tax[3]
• Joint and family-related rights:
  • Joint filing of bankruptcy permitted
  • Joint parenting rights, such as access to children's school records
  • Family visitation rights for the spouse and non-biological children, such as to visit a spouse in a hospital or prison
  • Next-of-kin status for emergency medical decisions or filing wrongful death claims
  • Custodial rights to children, shared property, child support, and alimony after divorce
  • Domestic violence intervention
  • Access to "family only" services, such as reduced rate memberships to clubs & organizations or residency in certain neighborhoods
• Preferential hiring for spouses of veterans in government jobs
• Tax-free transfer of property between spouses (including on death) and exemption from "due-on-sale" clauses.
• Special consideration to spouses of citizens and resident aliens
• Threats against spouses of various federal employees is a federal crime
• Right to continue living on land purchased from spouse by National Park Service when easement granted to spouse
• Court notice of probate proceedings
• Domestic violence protection orders
• Existing homestead lease continuation of rights
• Regulation of condominium sales to owner-occupants exemption
• Funeral and bereavement leave
• Joint adoption and foster care
• Joint tax filing
• Insurance licenses, coverage, eligibility, and benefits organization of mutual benefits society
• Legal status with stepchildren
• Making spousal medical decisions
• Spousal non-resident tuition deferential waiver
• Permission to make funeral arrangements for a deceased spouse, including burial or cremation
• Right of survivorship of custodial trust
• Right to change surname upon marriage
• Right to enter into prenuptial agreement
• Right to inheritance of property
• Spousal privilege in court cases (the marital confidences privilege and the spousal testimonial privilege)
• For those divorced or widowed, the right to many of ex- or late spouse's benefits, including:
  • Social Security pension
  • Veteran's pensions, indemnity compensation for service-connected deaths, medical care, and nursing home care, right to burial in veterans' cemeteries, educational assistance, and housing
  • survivor benefits for federal employees
  • Survivor benefits for spouses of longshoremen, harbor workers, railroad workers
  • Additional benefits to spouses of coal miners who die of black lung disease
  • $100,000 to spouse of any public safety officer killed in the line of duty
  • Continuation of employer-sponsored health benefits
  • Renewal and termination rights to spouse's copyrights on death of spouse
  • Continued water rights of spouse in some circumstances
  • Payment of wages and workers compensation benefits after worker death
  • Making, revoking, and objecting to post-mortem anatomical gifts

So unmarried couples should get employment assistance from the government.....because the government shouldn't be involved in marriage?

Do you note any contradiction in that position?

Nice goal post moving there.

Just noting the inherent contradiction of wanting the government out of marriage....while demanding government programs and assistance related to marriage.

It's just another entitlement program for a select few people.

After all, treating everyone the same and with the same level of fairness would be death to the system. After all, who would send them their money and support if everyone knew they were going to treat everyone the same regardless. Politics is all about getting a leg up on your fellow countryman.

Politics is all about dividing and conquering in order to obtain support.

 

[daws101]

false! you may know believe it isn't but in fact it is..

False! No it's not. It's coming from a Hanns Hermann Hoppeian point of view actually.

Figures.......

What do you know about Hoppe?

Unlike you I read even that which is fantasy rantings, I'm a lifelong student of humanity.

I have read more than you could in your lifetime, fag lover.

another statement the ignorant always use.
they forget the reading involves understanding what words mean not just the ability to pronounce them.

 

[Ringel05]

False! No it's not. It's coming from a Hanns Hermann Hoppeian point of view actually.

another nut job and homophobe....you can rally pick the winners,

Lol @ "homophobe"! Another non-existant, made up fairytale from the left.

tell me there slapdick what words aren't made up ?

The ones that refer to real things.

homophobia is real as it gets .
Homophobia encompasses a range of negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality or people who are identified or perceived as being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender (LGBT).[1][2][3] It has been defined as contempt, prejudice, aversion, hatred or antipathy, may be based on irrational fear, and is sometimes related to religious beliefs.[4]

Homophobia is observable in critical and hostile behavior such as discrimination and violence on the basis of sexual orientations that are non-heterosexual.[1][2] Recognized types of homophobia include institutionalized homophobia, e.g. religious homophobia and state-sponsored homophobia, and internalized homophobia, experienced by people who have same-sex attractions, regardless of how they identify.

Forms of homophobia toward identifiable LGBT social groups have similar yet specific names: lesbophobia – the intersection of homophobia and sexism directed against lesbians, biphobia – towards bisexuality and bisexual people, and transphobia, which targets transsexualism, transsexual and transgender people, and gender variance or gender role nonconformity.[1][3][5]

In the USA, according to the 2010 Hate Crimes Statistics released by the FBI National Press Office, 19.3 percent of hate crimes across the United States "were motivated by a sexual orientation bias."[6] Moreover, in a Southern Poverty Law Center 2010 Intelligence Report extrapolating data from fourteen years (1995–2008), which had complete data available at the time, of the FBI's national hate crime statistics found that LGBT people were "far more likely than any other minority group in the United States to be victimized by violent hate crime."[7]

Homophobia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A word is meaningful because a society gives it meaning. That's really all it takes to make a "real" word. Since the commonly understood meaning for the word is someone who has some sort of fear involving gay people, I'd say it's a real word.

He was probably violated by one of his fellow white supremacists in prison and liked it but is currently in denial.

 

[Ringel05]

False! No it's not. It's coming from a Hanns Hermann Hoppeian point of view actually.

Figures.......

What do you know about Hoppe?

Unlike you I read even that which is fantasy rantings, I'm a lifelong student of humanity.

I have read more than you could in your lifetime, fag lover.

another statement the ignorant always use.
they forget the reading involves understanding what words mean not just the ability to pronounce them.

Besides, exclusively reading comic books doesn't count.......

 

[alang1216]

I'm in favor because in our country marriage is a relationship that confers legal rights as defined by the government. The government should not be in the business of determining who should marry and who should not, all are equal. Anyone of legal age should be able to marry anyone else (or more than one as far as I care) so long as all are capable of giving consent, therefore no children, animals, etc.

Since many people have a religious objection, I have no problem with the gov't establishing civil unions and getting out of the marriage business completely. Marriage would not be recognized by gov't, only civil unions would offer legal rights, protections, etc.

 

[Skylar]

Give us a few examples.

Rights and benefits[edit]

• Right to benefits while married:
  • Employment assistance and transitional services for spouses of members being separated from military service; continued commissary privileges
  • Per diem payment to spouse for federal civil service employees when relocating
  • Indian Health Service care for spouses of Native Americans (in some circumstances)
  • Sponsor husband/wife for immigration benefits
• Larger benefits under some programs if married, including:
  • Veteran's disability
  • Supplemental Security Income
  • Disability payments for federal employees
  • Medicaid
  • Property tax exemption for homes of totally disabled veterans
  • Income tax deductions, credits, rates exemption, and estimates
  • Wages of an employee working for one's spouse are exempt from federal unemployment tax[3]
• Joint and family-related rights:
  • Joint filing of bankruptcy permitted
  • Joint parenting rights, such as access to children's school records
  • Family visitation rights for the spouse and non-biological children, such as to visit a spouse in a hospital or prison
  • Next-of-kin status for emergency medical decisions or filing wrongful death claims
  • Custodial rights to children, shared property, child support, and alimony after divorce
  • Domestic violence intervention
  • Access to "family only" services, such as reduced rate memberships to clubs & organizations or residency in certain neighborhoods
• Preferential hiring for spouses of veterans in government jobs
• Tax-free transfer of property between spouses (including on death) and exemption from "due-on-sale" clauses.
• Special consideration to spouses of citizens and resident aliens
• Threats against spouses of various federal employees is a federal crime
• Right to continue living on land purchased from spouse by National Park Service when easement granted to spouse
• Court notice of probate proceedings
• Domestic violence protection orders
• Existing homestead lease continuation of rights
• Regulation of condominium sales to owner-occupants exemption
• Funeral and bereavement leave
• Joint adoption and foster care
• Joint tax filing
• Insurance licenses, coverage, eligibility, and benefits organization of mutual benefits society
• Legal status with stepchildren
• Making spousal medical decisions
• Spousal non-resident tuition deferential waiver
• Permission to make funeral arrangements for a deceased spouse, including burial or cremation
• Right of survivorship of custodial trust
• Right to change surname upon marriage
• Right to enter into prenuptial agreement
• Right to inheritance of property
• Spousal privilege in court cases (the marital confidences privilege and the spousal testimonial privilege)
• For those divorced or widowed, the right to many of ex- or late spouse's benefits, including:
  • Social Security pension
  • Veteran's pensions, indemnity compensation for service-connected deaths, medical care, and nursing home care, right to burial in veterans' cemeteries, educational assistance, and housing
  • survivor benefits for federal employees
  • Survivor benefits for spouses of longshoremen, harbor workers, railroad workers
  • Additional benefits to spouses of coal miners who die of black lung disease
  • $100,000 to spouse of any public safety officer killed in the line of duty
  • Continuation of employer-sponsored health benefits
  • Renewal and termination rights to spouse's copyrights on death of spouse
  • Continued water rights of spouse in some circumstances
  • Payment of wages and workers compensation benefits after worker death
  • Making, revoking, and objecting to post-mortem anatomical gifts

So unmarried couples should get employment assistance from the government.....because the government shouldn't be involved in marriage?

Do you note any contradiction in that position?

Nice goal post moving there.

Just noting the inherent contradiction of wanting the government out of marriage....while demanding government programs and assistance related to marriage.

It's just another entitlement program for a select few people.

If you don't want the government involved...why are you demanding government involvement?

As I said, if you want a marriage that the government isn't involved in nor even recognizes exists.....you can have it.

 

[Syriusly]

False! No it's not. It's coming from a Hanns Hermann Hoppeian point of view actually.

another nut job and homophobe....you can rally pick the winners,

Lol @ "homophobe"! Another non-existant, made up fairytale from the left.

tell me there slapdick what words aren't made up ?

The ones that refer to real things.

homophobia is real as it gets .
Homophobia encompasses a range of negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality or people who are identified or perceived as being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender (LGBT).[1][2][3] It has been defined as contempt, prejudice, aversion, hatred or antipathy, may be based on irrational fear, and is sometimes related to religious beliefs.[4]

Homophobia is observable in critical and hostile behavior such as discrimination and violence on the basis of sexual orientations that are non-heterosexual.[1][2] Recognized types of homophobia include institutionalized homophobia, e.g. religious homophobia and state-sponsored homophobia, and internalized homophobia, experienced by people who have same-sex attractions, regardless of how they identify.

Forms of homophobia toward identifiable LGBT social groups have similar yet specific names: lesbophobia – the intersection of homophobia and sexism directed against lesbians, biphobia – towards bisexuality and bisexual people, and transphobia, which targets transsexualism, transsexual and transgender people, and gender variance or gender role nonconformity.[1][3][5]

In the USA, according to the 2010 Hate Crimes Statistics released by the FBI National Press Office, 19.3 percent of hate crimes across the United States "were motivated by a sexual orientation bias."[6] Moreover, in a Southern Poverty Law Center 2010 Intelligence Report extrapolating data from fourteen years (1995–2008), which had complete data available at the time, of the FBI's national hate crime statistics found that LGBT people were "far more likely than any other minority group in the United States to be victimized by violent hate crime."[7]

Homophobia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A word is meaningful because a society gives it meaning. That's really all it takes to make a "real" word. Since the commonly understood meaning for the word is someone who has some sort of fear involving gay people, I'd say it's a real word.

Racists also claim that 'racism' and 'racists' are not real words

 

[Votto]

Rights and benefits[edit]

• Right to benefits while married:
  • Employment assistance and transitional services for spouses of members being separated from military service; continued commissary privileges
  • Per diem payment to spouse for federal civil service employees when relocating
  • Indian Health Service care for spouses of Native Americans (in some circumstances)
  • Sponsor husband/wife for immigration benefits
• Larger benefits under some programs if married, including:
  • Veteran's disability
  • Supplemental Security Income
  • Disability payments for federal employees
  • Medicaid
  • Property tax exemption for homes of totally disabled veterans
  • Income tax deductions, credits, rates exemption, and estimates
  • Wages of an employee working for one's spouse are exempt from federal unemployment tax[3]
• Joint and family-related rights:
  • Joint filing of bankruptcy permitted
  • Joint parenting rights, such as access to children's school records
  • Family visitation rights for the spouse and non-biological children, such as to visit a spouse in a hospital or prison
  • Next-of-kin status for emergency medical decisions or filing wrongful death claims
  • Custodial rights to children, shared property, child support, and alimony after divorce
  • Domestic violence intervention
  • Access to "family only" services, such as reduced rate memberships to clubs & organizations or residency in certain neighborhoods
• Preferential hiring for spouses of veterans in government jobs
• Tax-free transfer of property between spouses (including on death) and exemption from "due-on-sale" clauses.
• Special consideration to spouses of citizens and resident aliens
• Threats against spouses of various federal employees is a federal crime
• Right to continue living on land purchased from spouse by National Park Service when easement granted to spouse
• Court notice of probate proceedings
• Domestic violence protection orders
• Existing homestead lease continuation of rights
• Regulation of condominium sales to owner-occupants exemption
• Funeral and bereavement leave
• Joint adoption and foster care
• Joint tax filing
• Insurance licenses, coverage, eligibility, and benefits organization of mutual benefits society
• Legal status with stepchildren
• Making spousal medical decisions
• Spousal non-resident tuition deferential waiver
• Permission to make funeral arrangements for a deceased spouse, including burial or cremation
• Right of survivorship of custodial trust
• Right to change surname upon marriage
• Right to enter into prenuptial agreement
• Right to inheritance of property
• Spousal privilege in court cases (the marital confidences privilege and the spousal testimonial privilege)
• For those divorced or widowed, the right to many of ex- or late spouse's benefits, including:
  • Social Security pension
  • Veteran's pensions, indemnity compensation for service-connected deaths, medical care, and nursing home care, right to burial in veterans' cemeteries, educational assistance, and housing
  • survivor benefits for federal employees
  • Survivor benefits for spouses of longshoremen, harbor workers, railroad workers
  • Additional benefits to spouses of coal miners who die of black lung disease
  • $100,000 to spouse of any public safety officer killed in the line of duty
  • Continuation of employer-sponsored health benefits
  • Renewal and termination rights to spouse's copyrights on death of spouse
  • Continued water rights of spouse in some circumstances
  • Payment of wages and workers compensation benefits after worker death
  • Making, revoking, and objecting to post-mortem anatomical gifts

So unmarried couples should get employment assistance from the government.....because the government shouldn't be involved in marriage?

Do you note any contradiction in that position?

Nice goal post moving there.

Just noting the inherent contradiction of wanting the government out of marriage....while demanding government programs and assistance related to marriage.

It's just another entitlement program for a select few people.

If you don't want the government involved...why are you demanding government involvement?

As I said, if you want a marriage that the government isn't involved in nor even recognizes exists.....you can have it.

You obviously have some sort of learning disorder.

Those not married should be able to have the same rights of those who are married.

 

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So unmarried couples should get employment assistance from the government.....because the government shouldn't be involved in marriage?

Do you note any contradiction in that position?

Nice goal post moving there.

Just noting the inherent contradiction of wanting the government out of marriage....while demanding government programs and assistance related to marriage.

It's just another entitlement program for a select few people.

If you don't want the government involved...why are you demanding government involvement?

As I said, if you want a marriage that the government isn't involved in nor even recognizes exists.....you can have it.

You obviously have some sort of learning disorder.

Those not married should be able to have the same rights of those who are married.

You just said that the government shouldn't be involved. And now you're demanding elaborate government involvement.

If there is going to be elaborate government involvement for the married and unmarried.....why should the government be 'out of the marriage business'?