POLL: Serious question for conservatives: Have you given up?

[Uncensored2008]

Then can I ask, how can you support anyone who supports Citizen United?

Maybe he actually knows what the case was, which you moron leftists don't.

You see, you're stupid. Now come on, this can't be a revelation. You have to at least have an inkling of how stupid you really are.

Because you are stupid, you turn to hate sites like KOS and ThinkProgress to do your thinking for you. These hate sites told you that "Citizens United declared that corporations are people." You being stupid as you are, believed this idiocy because you lack the IQ points to know otherwise.

Of course there is no truth to the claim at all. Under Common law corporations were declared separate legal entities back in the 12th century. They were assumed to be so through all of U.S. history, with a pivotal case, Santa Clara v. Southern Pacific in 1862 - Yeah, Soros is lying to you - and why not, you're stupid. Manipulating stupid people like you for political gain is what the left does.

It intention was to make politicians the servants of a narrow elite and not answerable to the people.

You are a servant of the narrow elite, and too stupid to grasp that you are fighting against your own best interests in your zeal to become a slave of Mark Zukerberg, Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, Operah Winfrey, Warren Buffet, Tim Cook, Paul Allen, et al. - you know retard, the REAL 1% in this nation - who are all far left.

 

[JimBowie1958]

The electoral college gives every state 2 electors for the fact they have 2 senators. That makes no sense.

No, it is the total number of Senators plus Representative that gives them their total number of electors.

Electoral College (United States) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And it makes perfect sense, dude.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Gerrymandering Rigged the 2014 Elections for GOP Advantage | BillMoyers.com

I can only imagine the fit you will throw if your filthy party is stupid enough to nominate Hilliary.

At this point, I'm questioning if even Bill would vote for her....

 

[Arizona Willie]

I could easily be wrong here, but I'm seeing little signs here and there that there are conservatives who are more in a salvage operation than a rescue operation.

In other words, I'm getting the impression that they feel the country is clearly going down a different road, and that the major battle has been lost. What some seem to be doing now is trying to salvage what elements of conservatism they can. But other than that, it's over.

Am I right or wrong?
.

when so-called conservatives are railing because they can't hang signs on their businesses saying "no blacks, no jews, no gays", in 2016, I don't think the party has anything it can do but run a salvage operation.

seriously, actual conservatives get left out in the cold with raving loons like that. better to let them go start their own party and re-build from there.

========

Republicans are like little 4 year old girls throwing a tantrum in the grocery store === laying on the floor === kicking their heels and screaming at the top of their voice === because Mommy won't buy them candy, because they can't make sure the Supreme Court stays packed in their favor.

So you want us to sit back and let Barry appoint a flaming liberal?

What are you? New?

=====

Republicans have had a Supreme Court Majority for most of 30 years.

Why shouldn't Democrats have a turn too?

Do you REALLY think Democrats / Obama should nominate a knuckle dragging conservative like Limballs?

Would a Republican ever nominate a screaming liberal like me?

GFY

 

[2aguy]

It took the lefty America haters from the 1930s to today to destroy what we had.........so if you figure we are at the point they were at when they started their long march to destroy the country, we may need about 100 years to turn the tide....of course by then they will have started killing large numbers of people...since that is their usual mode of operation, but that will only encourage people to change their minds on socialism....

 

[2aguy]

I could easily be wrong here, but I'm seeing little signs here and there that there are conservatives who are more in a salvage operation than a rescue operation.

In other words, I'm getting the impression that they feel the country is clearly going down a different road, and that the major battle has been lost. What some seem to be doing now is trying to salvage what elements of conservatism they can. But other than that, it's over.

Am I right or wrong?
.

when so-called conservatives are railing because they can't hang signs on their businesses saying "no blacks, no jews, no gays", in 2016, I don't think the party has anything it can do but run a salvage operation.

seriously, actual conservatives get left out in the cold with raving loons like that. better to let them go start their own party and re-build from there.

========

Republicans are like little 4 year old girls throwing a tantrum in the grocery store === laying on the floor === kicking their heels and screaming at the top of their voice === because Mommy won't buy them candy, because they can't make sure the Supreme Court stays packed in their favor.

So you want us to sit back and let Barry appoint a flaming liberal?

What are you? New?

=====

Republicans have had a Supreme Court Majority for most of 30 years.

Why shouldn't Democrats have a turn too?

Do you REALLY think Democrats / Obama should nominate a knuckle dragging conservative like Limballs?

Would a Republican ever nominate a screaming liberal like me?

GFY

How do you figure that.......we had 4 votes out of 9 with that one twit throwing bones to make his decision...if we actually controlled the court we wouldn't have had our dipstick Roberts inventing law to allow obamacare to pass muster.....

 

[sealybobo]

Gerrymandering Rigged the 2014 Elections for GOP Advantage | BillMoyers.com

I can only imagine the fit you will throw if your filthy party is stupid enough to nominate Hilliary.

At this point, I'm questioning if even Bill would vote for her....

Either way Hillary or Bernie wins.

NBC Poll: Clinton maintains national lead after NH loss

Think about it. Trump can't win because of women, hispanics Muslims and sane people and none of the GOP establishment candidates running can beat Trump. You do the math.

You no longer have a candidate running that scares us. I was worried about Rubio or Christie but no mo.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Either way Hillary or Bernie wins.

NBC Poll: Clinton maintains national lead after NH loss

Think about it. Trump can't win because of women, hispanics Muslims and sane people and none of the GOP establishment candidates running can beat Trump. You do the math.

You no longer have a candidate running that scares us. I was worried about Rubio or Christie but no mo.

I'm not a Trump fan, but you are quite mistaken. NBC/ThinkProgress are of little use for actual information. They are cheerleaders, not a news organization.

 

[imawhosure]

I could easily be wrong here, but I'm seeing little signs here and there that there are conservatives who are more in a salvage operation than a rescue operation.

In other words, I'm getting the impression that they feel the country is clearly going down a different road, and that the major battle has been lost. What some seem to be doing now is trying to salvage what elements of conservatism they can. But other than that, it's over.

Am I right or wrong?
.

Mac, I read this thread to its entirety which was page 7 at the time of this post.

Conservatives are in DEEP trouble, because they have no party. The GOP has pissed so many of their people off, Donald Trump is leading in the polls, only because he wants to hammer the establishment, and in the bases eyes, this is better than nothing.

The GOP lied to its voters, plain and simple. Once they got elected, they didn't even pretend well on following through with their promises. It was "give us this, or win us that, and we can stem the tide!" It was delivered, still crickets.

Now, if the GOP only wants to elect their candidate, then they are looking far better than any Democrat will tell you or admit. But will the candidate they elect deliver the VALUES that the base wants? Not likely! What the base is really doing is............trading values for activism on a wide front. Good trade off for sure, but the only reason the trade is being made is...........because GOPers do NOT trust their party to do anything they run on. In essence, they are making a deal with the devil. (no, I am not suggesting Trump is the devil, so do not go there Trump supporters)

What the GOP voter is really saying is----------> We will throw out our beliefs IF this person can save our country as we know it. Many blue collar Democrats concur, and that is where the Trump support comes from. (Democrats will scream nooooooooo, but the exit polls, so far, show this)

In the end, the GOP establishment has created this problem themselves. Conservatives have been screaming forever about their weak attitudes, and as the line of demarcation has crossed down to moderates, the yelling has become louder. The people in the GOP have actually decided it seems, to support a very liberal Republican at best, as long as he delivers the things that he deems important like.........illegal immigration.

We must all remember that NOBODY could get the establishment to touch this, unless it was in the capacity to grant them citizenship down the road. This should tell everyone how far out of touch the establishment is with the base........in fact with most of America.

So, in the end, unless Cruz can make it to the top, conservatives will again hold their noses and vote. They will vote for some of their issues, like the economy, less regulation, better protection in deals for America, and a military that doesn't have to do PC fighting anymore.

They will NOT be voting for their core principles though, but they have no choice, the devil and they are now in the same boat, and they better row together, or the whole damn thing may come down.

If Trump wins the nomination, and it is he V Hillary or Bernie, he will more than likely be the next POTUS of These United States of America. He will be a one termer though, because in reality, the devil has a tendency to piss everyone off. Welcome to 2020, and hopefully, the GOP establishment will have learned a lesson. "Tis better to be testicles with the support of a jock strap and cup..........even if you don't like them......then to be hanging out and getting whacked by BOTH a tennis ball, and baseball at the same time! When you only get whacked by one, it hurts only 1/2 as much-)

 

[Mac1958]

I could easily be wrong here, but I'm seeing little signs here and there that there are conservatives who are more in a salvage operation than a rescue operation.

In other words, I'm getting the impression that they feel the country is clearly going down a different road, and that the major battle has been lost. What some seem to be doing now is trying to salvage what elements of conservatism they can. But other than that, it's over.

Am I right or wrong?
.

Mac, I read this thread to its entirety which was page 7 at the time of this post.

Conservatives are in DEEP trouble, because they have no party. The GOP has pissed so many of their people off, Donald Trump is leading in the polls, only because he wants to hammer the establishment, and in the bases eyes, this is better than nothing.

The GOP lied to its voters, plain and simple. Once they got elected, they didn't even pretend well on following through with their promises. It was "give us this, or win us that, and we can stem the tide!" It was delivered, still crickets.

Now, if the GOP only wants to elect their candidate, then they are looking far better than any Democrat will tell you or admit. But will the candidate they elect deliver the VALUES that the base wants? Not likely! What the base is really doing is............trading values for activism on a wide front. Good trade off for sure, but the only reason the trade is being made is...........because GOPers do NOT trust their party to do anything they run on. In essence, they are making a deal with the devil. (no, I am not suggesting Trump is the devil, so do not go there Trump supporters)

What the GOP voter is really saying is----------> We will throw out our beliefs IF this person can save our country as we know it. Many blue collar Democrats concur, and that is where the Trump support comes from. (Democrats will scream nooooooooo, but the exit polls, so far, show this)

In the end, the GOP establishment has created this problem themselves. Conservatives have been screaming forever about their weak attitudes, and as the line of demarcation has crossed down to moderates, the yelling has become louder. The people in the GOP have actually decided it seems, to support a very liberal Republican at best, as long as he delivers the things that he deems important like.........illegal immigration.

We must all remember that NOBODY could get the establishment to touch this, unless it was in the capacity to grant them citizenship down the road. This should tell everyone how far out of touch the establishment is with the base........in fact with most of America.

So, in the end, unless Cruz can make it to the top, conservatives will again hold their noses and vote. They will vote for some of their issues, like the economy, less regulation, better protection in deals for America, and a military that doesn't have to do PC fighting anymore.

They will NOT be voting for their core principles though, but they have no choice, the devil and they are now in the same boat, and they better row together, or the whole damn thing may come down.

If Trump wins the nomination, and it is he V Hillary or Bernie, he will more than likely be the next POTUS of These United States of America. He will be a one termer though, because in reality, the devil has a tendency to piss everyone off. Welcome to 2020, and hopefully, the GOP establishment will have learned a lesson. "Tis better to be testicles with the support of a jock strap and cup..........even if you don't like them......then to be hanging out and getting whacked by BOTH a tennis ball, and baseball at the same time! When you only get whacked by one, it hurts only 1/2 as much-)

Great stuff, thank you.

You address one of the primary questions I've had all along when you said "what the base is really doing is............trading values for activism on a wide front", and "we will throw out our beliefs IF this person can save our country as we know it." I was pretty confused to see so many in the party do this, primarily because they have for so long stuck to conservative issues.

That really is quite surprising, but I can see that it is born out of frustration with your party leaders. And you have to be DAMN frustrated if you're willing to back up on individual issues JUST to get SOMETHING that has been promised.

Much appreciated.
.

 

[Ravi]

Given up on what?

 

[EriktheRed]

I could easily be wrong here, but I'm seeing little signs here and there that there are conservatives who are more in a salvage operation than a rescue operation.

In other words, I'm getting the impression that they feel the country is clearly going down a different road, and that the major battle has been lost. What some seem to be doing now is trying to salvage what elements of conservatism they can. But other than that, it's over.

Am I right or wrong?
.

Mac, I read this thread to its entirety which was page 7 at the time of this post.

Conservatives are in DEEP trouble, because they have no party. The GOP has pissed so many of their people off, Donald Trump is leading in the polls, only because he wants to hammer the establishment, and in the bases eyes, this is better than nothing.

The GOP lied to its voters, plain and simple. Once they got elected, they didn't even pretend well on following through with their promises. It was "give us this, or win us that, and we can stem the tide!" It was delivered, still crickets.

Now, if the GOP only wants to elect their candidate, then they are looking far better than any Democrat will tell you or admit. But will the candidate they elect deliver the VALUES that the base wants? Not likely! What the base is really doing is............trading values for activism on a wide front. Good trade off for sure, but the only reason the trade is being made is...........because GOPers do NOT trust their party to do anything they run on. In essence, they are making a deal with the devil. (no, I am not suggesting Trump is the devil, so do not go there Trump supporters)

What the GOP voter is really saying is----------> We will throw out our beliefs IF this person can save our country as we know it. Many blue collar Democrats concur, and that is where the Trump support comes from. (Democrats will scream nooooooooo, but the exit polls, so far, show this)

In the end, the GOP establishment has created this problem themselves. Conservatives have been screaming forever about their weak attitudes, and as the line of demarcation has crossed down to moderates, the yelling has become louder. The people in the GOP have actually decided it seems, to support a very liberal Republican at best, as long as he delivers the things that he deems important like.........illegal immigration.

We must all remember that NOBODY could get the establishment to touch this, unless it was in the capacity to grant them citizenship down the road. This should tell everyone how far out of touch the establishment is with the base........in fact with most of America.

So, in the end, unless Cruz can make it to the top, conservatives will again hold their noses and vote. They will vote for some of their issues, like the economy, less regulation, better protection in deals for America, and a military that doesn't have to do PC fighting anymore.

They will NOT be voting for their core principles though, but they have no choice, the devil and they are now in the same boat, and they better row together, or the whole damn thing may come down.

If Trump wins the nomination, and it is he V Hillary or Bernie, he will more than likely be the next POTUS of These United States of America. He will be a one termer though, because in reality, the devil has a tendency to piss everyone off. Welcome to 2020, and hopefully, the GOP establishment will have learned a lesson. "Tis better to be testicles with the support of a jock strap and cup..........even if you don't like them......then to be hanging out and getting whacked by BOTH a tennis ball, and baseball at the same time! When you only get whacked by one, it hurts only 1/2 as much-)

So, uh...just what should have Republicans done differently to get you guys the ponies you've been longing for?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"Serious question for conservatives: Have you given up?"

What conservatives need to give up is the social right/Christian fundamentalist nonsense.

 

[Two Thumbs]

I could easily be wrong here, but I'm seeing little signs here and there that there are conservatives who are more in a salvage operation than a rescue operation.

In other words, I'm getting the impression that they feel the country is clearly going down a different road, and that the major battle has been lost. What some seem to be doing now is trying to salvage what elements of conservatism they can. But other than that, it's over.

Am I right or wrong?
.

It is over.

When bill perjured himself about committing sexual harassment and the left came to his defense, I knew that was the end. Even with more information coming out about how hill was involved, directly involved, it doesn't mean anything.

then a man with no qualifications and clearly stating that he was going to change the Fundamentals of America, gets elected, piles trillions more debt on with failed idea after failed idea, get re-elected to keep doing it, then passes a bill that clearly removes our right to privacy.


now the left is openly running 2 candidates that are not liberals. Hill calls herself a prog and bern is a socialist. Why is this happening? Well in the words of Wasserman-Shultz; " " That was her reply to the question; Whats the difference between a socialist and a dem.



BUT

we can turn the country around. Elect bern, his ideas are so awful, so unamerican, so expensive and will require large power grabs, that actual Americans will finally have had enough and fill the streets of DC with blood

 

[Mac1958]

BUT we can turn the country around. Elect bern, his ideas are so awful, so unamerican, so expensive and will require large power grabs, that actual Americans will finally have had enough and fill the streets of DC with blood

I'd be careful with that strategy.

I remember hearing the same thing when McCain & Romney were running against Obama. "Hell with it, let Obama win, he'll cause so much damage that people will be BEGGING for a Republican." Well, then he set about being fairly successful at "fundamentally transforming" the country to a point where turning the ship around won't be easy for the GOP.

Just sayin'.
.

 

[sealybobo]

I could easily be wrong here, but I'm seeing little signs here and there that there are conservatives who are more in a salvage operation than a rescue operation.

In other words, I'm getting the impression that they feel the country is clearly going down a different road, and that the major battle has been lost. What some seem to be doing now is trying to salvage what elements of conservatism they can. But other than that, it's over.

Am I right or wrong?
.

Mac, I read this thread to its entirety which was page 7 at the time of this post.

Conservatives are in DEEP trouble, because they have no party. The GOP has pissed so many of their people off, Donald Trump is leading in the polls, only because he wants to hammer the establishment, and in the bases eyes, this is better than nothing.

The GOP lied to its voters, plain and simple. Once they got elected, they didn't even pretend well on following through with their promises. It was "give us this, or win us that, and we can stem the tide!" It was delivered, still crickets.

Now, if the GOP only wants to elect their candidate, then they are looking far better than any Democrat will tell you or admit. But will the candidate they elect deliver the VALUES that the base wants? Not likely! What the base is really doing is............trading values for activism on a wide front. Good trade off for sure, but the only reason the trade is being made is...........because GOPers do NOT trust their party to do anything they run on. In essence, they are making a deal with the devil. (no, I am not suggesting Trump is the devil, so do not go there Trump supporters)

What the GOP voter is really saying is----------> We will throw out our beliefs IF this person can save our country as we know it. Many blue collar Democrats concur, and that is where the Trump support comes from. (Democrats will scream nooooooooo, but the exit polls, so far, show this)

In the end, the GOP establishment has created this problem themselves. Conservatives have been screaming forever about their weak attitudes, and as the line of demarcation has crossed down to moderates, the yelling has become louder. The people in the GOP have actually decided it seems, to support a very liberal Republican at best, as long as he delivers the things that he deems important like.........illegal immigration.

We must all remember that NOBODY could get the establishment to touch this, unless it was in the capacity to grant them citizenship down the road. This should tell everyone how far out of touch the establishment is with the base........in fact with most of America.

So, in the end, unless Cruz can make it to the top, conservatives will again hold their noses and vote. They will vote for some of their issues, like the economy, less regulation, better protection in deals for America, and a military that doesn't have to do PC fighting anymore.

They will NOT be voting for their core principles though, but they have no choice, the devil and they are now in the same boat, and they better row together, or the whole damn thing may come down.

If Trump wins the nomination, and it is he V Hillary or Bernie, he will more than likely be the next POTUS of These United States of America. He will be a one termer though, because in reality, the devil has a tendency to piss everyone off. Welcome to 2020, and hopefully, the GOP establishment will have learned a lesson. "Tis better to be testicles with the support of a jock strap and cup..........even if you don't like them......then to be hanging out and getting whacked by BOTH a tennis ball, and baseball at the same time! When you only get whacked by one, it hurts only 1/2 as much-)

You guys talk about rinos but that's such bullshit. There isn't a bill the GOP Senate and House could get passed that kasich, jeb rubio Cruz or carson wouldn't sign.

And they will nominate whoever the GOP tells them to the supreme court. You won't get a less conservative judge with kasich than you will with jeb or Cruz.

 

[Two Thumbs]

BUT we can turn the country around. Elect bern, his ideas are so awful, so unamerican, so expensive and will require large power grabs, that actual Americans will finally have had enough and fill the streets of DC with blood

I'd be careful with that strategy.

I remember hearing the same thing when McCain & Romney were running against Obama. "Hell with it, let Obama win, he'll cause so much damage that people will be BEGGING for a Republican." Well, then he set about being fairly successful at "fundamentally transforming" the country to a point where turning the ship around won't be easy for the GOP.

Just sayin'.
.

the gop can't turn the country around and wouldn't if it could.

at this point we actually do need to feed and water the tree of liberty

 

[Missourian]

This is just the beginning. The Republicans elite and the donor class need a reminder of just who is in charge. Not them...us. They make the rules to allow them to pretty well dictate who the Republican nominee is going to be, while preserving the illusion that it is the democratic choice of the party. The Democrats are starting to get the message as well. They see the manipulation of the Superdelegates; the illusion that the members, and not the party, are the final arbitrators of the nominating process.

This election cycle, we had an alternative...a fly in the ointment, that was qualified and capable of winning the general election, and could exploit the built in advantages that the RNC had built into their nominating process to thwart the will of the more conservative elements of the GOP electorate.

Romney's loss was a nudge...this is a full force punch in the face. Trump is going to win the primary, and then he is going to win the General Election.

The man is brilliant. Instead of running to the right, he is embracing the more moderate segments of the Democrats, the blue collar, the unions, the little people. At the same time, Hillary is being pulled to the far left. Trump is something completely different. A citizen/statesman. Clinton is the same old same old. A new coat sewn out of recycled cloth.

The GOP will get the message they didn't get when Cantor lost his primary. One way or the other, you will understand that WE the electorate are in charge. If we can give the nomination for President of the United States to a political outsider...how much easier will it be to find someone to replace you?

I hope other conservative republicans can understand the imperative to bring the offices of government back into the service of the people, and how great a blow this nomination of Donald J Trump will be in that struggle.

tl;dr? Nominating Trump will send a sharp message that we aren't going to be spoon fed the elite establishment party choice anymore.

 

[OKTexas]

Give up? The GOP shellacked the left in the last election and polls show tight races for 2016...what a bunch of wishful thinking la la land BS

not national elections, winger witch.

It's really sad to see a supposedly grown woman being so freaking ignorant of how our republic works, there are no national elections, State elections are as high as it goes.

 

[OKTexas]

I could easily be wrong here, but I'm seeing little signs here and there that there are conservatives who are more in a salvage operation than a rescue operation.

In other words, I'm getting the impression that they feel the country is clearly going down a different road, and that the major battle has been lost. What some seem to be doing now is trying to salvage what elements of conservatism they can. But other than that, it's over.

Am I right or wrong?
.

when so-called conservatives are railing because they can't hang signs on their businesses saying "no blacks, no jews, no gays", in 2016, I don't think the party has anything it can do but run a salvage operation.

seriously, actual conservatives get left out in the cold with raving loons like that. better to let them go start their own party and re-build from there.

"they believe in individual liberty? What radical nut jobs! They are so anti-American believing in the whole concept of America and what-not"

their liberty stops at others' noses.

and no, I don't want to live in a world where I can't be served because some freak doesn't like jews.

Conformity. The emotionally weak and insecures answer for everything.

if you open a business that is open to the public, you have to be granted public accommodation. how absurd and sad that you think that's "conformist" or emotionally weak.

I'd just say I'm not a hate-filled bigot.

You're one of the most hate filled bigots on this board. You think forced associations in a supposedly free country is a good thing, it's not.