Pope Francis Leaning Left?

[longknife]

Another interesting piece leftists will instantly dismiss due to the Breitbart source. However, it clearly lays out the supposition that Vatican English translations of the pope's declarations in Latin and Spanish are not fairly translated. It cites the following example:

Here's a sample of what Garcia's re-translation looks like:

54. In this context, some*people continue to*defend*trickle-down*"spillover" theories which*assume*suppose*that*all*economic growth,*encouraged by a free market, for which a free market is [most] favorable,*will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness*by itself*brings about greater equity and social inclusion*in the world.

This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve*trust in the goodness of those wielding confidence in the generosity of those [people] who*wield*economic power and in the sacralized*workings*mechanisms*of*that ruling*the prevailing*economic system. Meanwhile, the excluded are still waiting. To sustain a lifestyle which excludes others, or to sustain enthusiasm for that*selfish*egotistical*ideal, a globalization of indifference has developed. Almost without*warning*[i.e. practically]*being aware of it, we end up being incapable of feeling compassion*at the outcry of the poor*for others,[of]*weeping*for other people’s pain*at the anguish of others, and*feeling a need to help them*and*[we end up] being disinterested in helping care for them, as though all this were*someone else’s*an alien*responsibility*and not our own*which does not concern us. The culture of prosperity deadens*well-being*anesthetizes*us;*we are thrilled if the market offers us something new to purchase*we lose our composure [literally, "lose our calm"]if the market offers something we have not yet purchased;*and in the meantime all those lives*stunted*truncated for lack of*opportunity*[economic]*possibilities*seem a mere spectacle; they fail to move us*which in no way alters us.

[I'm sorry but the editorialization in the article doesn't carry over to this site. You'll have to read the article to see it.

For those who are fair-minded and want to learn the truth, go to Is Pope Francis' Papacy a New Front for the Left?

As a non-Catholic, I've carefully followed this man and find his humility and faith to be honest and exemplary. There's even a story of personally calling a nunnery to with them a happy new year, one of them someone he knew 15 years ago. What other world leader would do such a thing?

 

[Whereisup]

Another interesting piece leftists will instantly dismiss due to the Breitbart source. However, it clearly lays out the supposition that Vatican English translations of the pope's declarations in Latin and Spanish are not fairly translated. It cites the following example:

Here's a sample of what Garcia's re-translation looks like:

54. In this context, some*people continue to*defend*trickle-down*"spillover" theories which*assume*suppose*that*all*economic growth,*encouraged by a free market, for which a free market is [most] favorable,*will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness*by itself*brings about greater equity and social inclusion*in the world.

This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve*trust in the goodness of those wielding confidence in the generosity of those [people] who*wield*economic power and in the sacralized*workings*mechanisms*of*that ruling*the prevailing*economic system. Meanwhile, the excluded are still waiting. To sustain a lifestyle which excludes others, or to sustain enthusiasm for that*selfish*egotistical*ideal, a globalization of indifference has developed. Almost without*warning*[i.e. practically]*being aware of it, we end up being incapable of feeling compassion*at the outcry of the poor*for others,[of]*weeping*for other people’s pain*at the anguish of others, and*feeling a need to help them*and*[we end up] being disinterested in helping care for them, as though all this were*someone else’s*an alien*responsibility*and not our own*which does not concern us. The culture of prosperity deadens*well-being*anesthetizes*us;*we are thrilled if the market offers us something new to purchase*we lose our composure [literally, "lose our calm"]if the market offers something we have not yet purchased;*and in the meantime all those lives*stunted*truncated for lack of*opportunity*[economic]*possibilities*seem a mere spectacle; they fail to move us*which in no way alters us.

[I'm sorry but the editorialization in the article doesn't carry over to this site. You'll have to read the article to see it.

For those who are fair-minded and want to learn the truth, go to Is Pope Francis' Papacy a New Front for the Left?

As a non-Catholic, I've carefully followed this man and find his humility and faith to be honest and exemplary. There's even a story of personally calling a nunnery to with them a happy new year, one of them someone he knew 15 years ago. What other world leader would do such a thing?

Well, I looked at the link, but I had just started reading it when the material was suppressed and a box asked me to sign up for the newsletter. I don't like that kind of thing, so I closed the window.

I'm not a Catholic either, although I could become one if the Church opened up the dogma and started doing research to improve its ideas.

To me, the Pope seems to be using the logic of love. There are many people suffering and they need to be helped.

I would guess that the Pope would like to see help come in any way, so this isn't all that political.

For example, if the large corporations, about 50 being larger than any but 50 of the world's nations, equating gross receipts with GDPs of nations, were to set out to give everyone in the world a good standard of living, he would find that to be acceptable. With increasing automation, corporation could actually do that and still make profits. I haven't seen anything in the news about corporations talking about making the welfare of everyone in the world one of their main goals, but they could do that if they wanted to.

This could also fit in with socialist thinking if socialists could become sincere about working for the benefit of everyone, rather than just an in-group of leading socialists.

It would fit in with better regulation of capitalism.

I could be wrong, of course, but I think the Pope is talking to all the political groups and asking them to provide a good standard of living for everyone in the world. The group which decided to listen would get his support.

I might note that if corporations got everyone in the world up to a middle class American standard of living, the corporations would earn more profits because people would have to money to buy many more of the goods and services corporations produce than the are able to afford with the incomes they have now. So it would be wise for corporations to follow Pope Francis and adopt a goal of giving everyone in the world a good standard of living.

Consider that the current Gross World product is about 60 trillion American dollars per year, while the Gross Domestic Product of the United States is about 15 trillion dollars per year, or 50,000 dollars per capita.

Even if income didn't become more equal, a Gross World Product per capita
of 100,000 dollars per year would give the poorest people in the world a standard of living equal to a middle class American income.

Now 8 billion people times 100,000 dollars would be a Gross World Product of about 800 trillion dollars per year. Think of how much more money the corporations would earn in an 800 trillion dollars per year economy.

Now most corporate high executives are intelligent, and able to make even large adjustments in their corporations when needed. They can be really skilled. Therefore, I think that top executives of corporations are intelligent enough and skilled enough to take humanity to an 800 trillion dollars per year economy. Alternative energy would of course have to be used to expand the economy, but that is merely a matter of manufacturing enough wind power and solar power units, plus some other more minor technologies.

Now, the world economy, in its mixture of business and poverty, is much like a nation at the take-off point, when it starts growing at about 10% per year. China has been growing at about 10% for several decades. Since it has been done in nations, the world economy could grow at about 10% per year if the executives used their intelligence and skills.

At a 10% growth rate, an economy doubles in just under 8 years. So, 8 years from now, the world economy could be at 120 trillion dollars per year. Sixteen years from now the world economy could be at 240 trillion dollars per year. Twenty-four years from now, the world economy would be at 480 trillion dollars per year. Thirty-two years from now, the world economy could be at 960 trillion dollars per year.

If the corporations would do that, I think that Pope Francis would be very pleased.

If the corporations would follow Pope Francis on this, whether or not they are Catholic, poverty in the world could be eliminated, and the executives and major shareholders of the corporations would be making more money than they do now.

Jim

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Liked the thig last night about the Pope calling nuns direct and leaving a message beginning with or including, "What are nuns doing they can't answer the phone?"

 

[Truthmatters]

the pope talks all Jesusy............


the republicans lose their minds

 

[JakeStarkey]

Following the Second Great Commandment is center place in American philosophical and political values.

 

[Agit8r]

So, the pope is not a Jesuit after all. Awesome conspiracy theory

 

[Avatar4321]

you realize the lleft right spectrum is artificial right?

 

[PainefulTruth]

54. In this context, some*people continue to*defend*trickle-down*"spillover" theories which*....

I think the matter-of-fact use of "trickle-down", the pejorative phrase the media used to belittle Reaganomics, is all I needed to see to confirm his prejudice and bias. And it has been shown that there is obviously a point beyond which, if taxes are raised, people's incomes and government revenues go down, and vice versa. if that weren't true, then a 100% tax rate would be the most beneficial for both.

the pope talks all Jesusy............
the republicans lose their minds

Republicans be damned, libertarians and independents see a red flag. The best piece of propaganda the left ever came up with is that Jesus' anti-wealth stance favors socialism. Jesus advocated voluntary charity for the poor, not forced confiscation. That said, there are many more honorable wealthy people today than in his day because back then they didn't have economic freedom and government protection of private property which enables the honorable acquisition of wealth. But that doesn't stop the class warfare mob today from making their false accusations and demagoguery.

you realize the lleft right spectrum is artificial right?

Socialists=left, capitalists=right. Other than words being associated with definitions, how is that artificial?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Pope Francis Leaning Left?

He is leaning Christian.

 

[PainefulTruth]

Pope Francis Leaning Left?

He is leaning Christian.

A socialist by any other name would smell as rank.

 

[longknife]

The problem with a lot of links to sources is that they contain bothersome popups. They bug hell out of me but it's but a matter of seconds to click on the X to close them.

The purpose of the post was to show how the Pope's words are often translated out of context and not their true meaning. I'm not saying the translators have an agenda but that translating can be a very difficult skill. I consider myself "somewhat" fluent in Spanish and was, at one time, quite fluent in German. Yet, translating either language into English is still a real headache.

 

[PainefulTruth]

The purpose of the post was to show how the Pope's words are often translated out of context and not their true meaning.

You can say the same thing about the Bible. Are they infallible or not? Why are there so many versions of the Bible or Papal dicta.

If God was going to reveal stuff to man, wouldn't God have written it in the sky, in all languages where no one could get to it and edit it?

 

[Moonglow]

Pope Francis Leaning Left?

He is leaning Christian.

A socialist by any other name would smell as rank.

The right never seems to bitch about that....

 

[PainefulTruth]

Pope Francis Leaning Left?

He is leaning Christian.

A socialist by any other name would smell as rank.

The right never seems to bitch about that....

Which is exactly why you won't find libertarians adopting blind faith from the left or right, but with reason from the up.

 

[dr.d]

Pope Frank is apolitical...He is following the path of Christ; which involves accepting others without judgement, helping the poor, humility....very different from some of todays "Kreeschuns", who not only mindlessly align w the political right ...but endlessly engage in judgement and condemnation of those who differ...


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[PainefulTruth]

Pope Frank is apolitical...He is following the path of Christ; which involves accepting others without judgement, helping the poor, humility....very different from some of todays "Kreeschuns", who not only mindlessly align w the political right ...but endlessly engage in judgement and condemnation of those who differ...


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The current rendition of judgement on the left makes judgement on the right look like a moot court. Nowhere is that more evident than in the MSM.

 

[whitehall]

You almost gotta laugh. The low information left loves the new Pope because stupid liberal media types editorialize about his views on capitalism.

 

[JakeStarkey]

A socialist by any other name would smell as rank.

The right never seems to bitch about that....

Which is exactly why you won't find libertarians adopting blind faith from the left or right, but with reason from the up.

Nonsense.

Libertarians in the fundamentalist and evangelical and Pentecostal sects, yes.

Almost none in the traditional, liturgical sects.

 

[PainefulTruth]

You almost gotta laugh. The low information left loves the new Pope because stupid liberal media types editorialize about his views on capitalism.

They don't love the Pope, they just hate (yes hate) the right wing more. They prefer anything else, even Muslims for god's sake. And there's the low information right wing out there (that Rush studiously avoids discussing) known as zealots--both rely on blind faith.

The right never seems to bitch about that....

Which is exactly why you won't find libertarians adopting blind faith from the left or right, but with reason from the up.

Nonsense.
Libertarians in the fundamentalist and evangelical and Pentecostal sects, yes.
Almost none in the traditional, liturgical sects.

Yes there are many hyphenated libertarians, I've even come across some calling themselves social-libertarians, which is as absurd as the philosophical label, Christian-deist. They, like all blind faith ideologists, are always trying to ram their weak-ass agendas into bodies of reasonable thought since they can't come up with any themselves.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Pope Francis Leaning Left?

He is leaning Christian.

There's nothing wrong with calling for fairness in economics and politics.

As a simple gauge of the fact, the wealth distribution graph over the last 30 years points to a patent economic unfairness, which The Pope, among others, has no difficulty pointing out. Denying the fact of it is simply pointless and/or ignorant.

Recognizing and admitting that there is a problem is always step one.