Post Office to stop Saturday Delivery

[thereisnospoon]

The Post Master just said, on TV, that the USPS will begin delivering packages on Sunday soon.

it will never happen Junky......they are going to have a hard enough time having people come in and deliver just parcels on Sat......this PMG is not one of the brighter PMG's we have had to work under.....since he has been in charge the place is going under.....

Thanks to congress who insisted they fund their pension fund 75 years in advance. Cons want to privatize everything.

That dog no longer hunts. It's horse crap response.
If the law were reversed you people along with the USPS unions would go ballistic.

 

[Political Junky]

I can't wait to hear cons bitch about the cost of sending out a few hundred wedding invitations by FedEx

 

[thereisnospoon]

How about just not forcing them to do what no private or public entity has to do which is fund its retirement for decades RIGHT NOW

How about you shutting up?
The pension fund complaint is a smoke screen.
First class volume is down 25% since 2000.
The USPS just reported another One billion dollar loss for Q4 of 2012.

So what? It isn't unusual for a business to lose money and the USPS is a business. You think the USPS is the government and it isn't. It's been an independent agency from the government for 42 years this July 1. If other businesses had the pension requirements like the USPS, they'd be losing money too, or be bankrupt. That doesn't sound like a smoke screen.

I'm sure the USPS also has problems with the rising costs of health care and that isn't a smoke screen, because many of the corporations in America are in the same boat. Rising health care costs are a problem that Congress has failed to act on and it does hurt the business in a competitive market place.

The USPS has had problems from this Great Recession, so it is another victim that was profitable and now isn't. It isn't going to recover all it's lost when times get better, because the changes in using the USPS have a habitual nature. Once people or businesses adapt to cut postage costs, there is little reason to change what they are doing during better times.

The USPS obviously has problems with advances in technology replacing some of the services it's offered in the past.

Personally, I think right-wingers act like they own the Post Office and they are against unions to the point that they just like to bitch. Even with the Constitution requiring the Post Office to exist, I have enough sense to know I don't own it and it's up to the Post Office to solve their own problems. They may have to work out a system to charge you rednecks more to use the service and not have mail delivered for the same price everywhere in America.

Oh please. Now you're just making excuses. And no it isn't usual. A money losing business for that matter is unsustainable. Most new small businesses do lose money in their first couple of years. After that, turn a profit or they die.
Same with any business. You know nothing of business. Shit you haven't graduated beyond your TV remote.
I neither stated nor implied the USPS was "the government"...So what the fuck are you trying to sell?
The pension issue is nonsense. The loss of First Class volume IS the issue.
The USPS is set up for failure because it must kowtow to a public employee union that saddles the USPS with costs that are not sustainable.
The rules are idiotic. A postal worker can bank unlimited sick and vacation time over the period of their career and upon retirement can continue to be paid regularly until those are exhausted. Meanwhile they continue to collect their pension.
So now you are going to scream "they worked for that"....No, the union extorted it from the USPS.
Right, the USPS like any other business struggles with the cost of benefits. Other businesses simply do what they must to control those costs. The USPS has to unconditionally accept the higher costs because of the shackles of the Union.
-" Once people or businesses adapt to cut postage costs, there is little reason to change what they are doing during better times."...
I will attempt to decipher this....I am guessing individuals and businesses have sought other means to move their parcels and letters. Um YEAH....That's called competition in the marketplace. This has ZILCH to do with any recession. The fact is we do less and lass with paper. In fact I get NO paper bills. NONE. Most businesses do most everything electronically. It's called technological advances.
One of the reasons why important papers that must be hand delivered are no longer sent via US Mail is because the process takes too long.
For example, if an attorney in a business deal requires the prospectus get to a prospective buyer or seller quickly and confidentially, he or she will use a service that not only gets the package to the recipient quickly but also ensures the object is delivered by hand and ON TIME. Fed Ex and UPS do a better job than the USPS. That is plain and simple.
Own the "post office"? What the fuck are you babbling about?
Rednecks? Oh yes all conservatives are rednecks. And you libs are all elitist overstuffed pompous pricks.

 

[thereisnospoon]

I can't wait to hear cons bitch about the cost of sending out a few hundred wedding invitations by FedEx

Oh please....DO you really believe that if the USPS stopped functioning tomorrow there would be no more weddings?
In business there is always a company there or a person/group to fill a void or generate an idea. If the USPS disappeared tomorrow, it would be replaced by something else.
The current USPS business model is a dinosaur.

 

[Trajan]

Traj.....thats bullshit ......if you knew how much money the Middle and upper management in the PO wasted annually on things that they start internally and every worker knows its not going to work, and then stop, when THEY realize it dont work and then,spend money to put it back the way it was......basically the middle management is great at fixing things that are not broke,and ignoring things that are broke....

Are you challenging the figures, IF you find figures in contrast fine , please post them, if I am wrong, I am wrong.......

As to the rest of your post, I am sorry Harry, you're making an agreement in mitigation, it doesn't matter, approx. 77% of operating budget is pay and benefits, it's not working. Not anymore, I also heard some numbers on per capita service, back in the day, 1880s there was 1 post office for every 53k people, today, 1 for every 15k......with the advent/advance of transportation, even considering volume, thats kind of nuts.

do you think they are going to tell you how much money they blow doing the pointless things that they do inside the PO?....i have seen things that every worker including the supervisors knew would not work,and you knew it was costing money to convert things over.....and then when it did not work and was costing them even more money.....they then would spends tons of money converting it back.....i have seen this kind of shit for years.....and its because they dont have to answer to anyone but themselves.....i also notice Management NEVER talks about their pay and Benefits.....they have people walking around with clipboards doing absolutely nothing to improve the mail flow or delivery or the problems the workers have to deal with on a regular basis.....and these people are making like 75-85 grand a year.....doing nothing....

back in the day, 1880s there was 1 post office for every 53k people, today, 1 for every 15k.

you do you realize the mail volume in the 1880's is piss compared to what it is now right?...and from what i understand each zip code is supposed to have a PO serving that Community....

harry you keep adding capital expenditures to the operating budget, well forget the capital expenses and the pay harry IS the pay, even for middle mgt.....and that is all part and parcel (pardon the pun) of the issue, if the PO has dead weight in the middle ranks what do you expect us to do? You want congress to do a re-org on you? *shrugs*I am talking pay and benefits alone and at 4 out of every 5 dollars, why no co. can long survive on that model even at par, that is no profit.

Did you see my figures on UPS and Fedex? Why is is that fed Ex only spends 30% or so on pay and benefits compared to UPS 52%?...you know why. I am sorry but there-in lies a HUGE part of the issue.


yes I am aware of the volume increase and I am also aware of the modern conveyances and appurtenances we have at hand now too.

 

[Cowman]

I can't wait to hear cons bitch about the cost of sending out a few hundred wedding invitations by FedEx

Oh please....DO you really believe that if the USPS stopped functioning tomorrow there would be no more weddings?
In business there is always a company there or a person/group to fill a void or generate an idea. If the USPS disappeared tomorrow, it would be replaced by something else.
The current USPS business model is a dinosaur.

Please... tell me what entity will fill in for the USPS being able to deliver 554 million mail pieces EVERY SINGLE DAY to any address in the united states, at an appealing price?

What. You think a FedEX or a UPS are going to be able to fill that void?

USPS could triple their 1 ounce letter price and it'd still be far more appealing than anything FedEX or UPS could ever dream of offering.

If the USPS disappeared tomorrow, it would NOT be replaced by something else. There isn't a single entity that could build up the infrastructure and logistical capabilities that the USPS has, if it were to disappear, without monumental expenditures that couldn't even guarantee success. Nobody would be willing to do it.

 

[Dubya]

How about you shutting up?
The pension fund complaint is a smoke screen.
First class volume is down 25% since 2000.
The USPS just reported another One billion dollar loss for Q4 of 2012.

So what? It isn't unusual for a business to lose money and the USPS is a business. You think the USPS is the government and it isn't. It's been an independent agency from the government for 42 years this July 1. If other businesses had the pension requirements like the USPS, they'd be losing money too, or be bankrupt. That doesn't sound like a smoke screen.

I'm sure the USPS also has problems with the rising costs of health care and that isn't a smoke screen, because many of the corporations in America are in the same boat. Rising health care costs are a problem that Congress has failed to act on and it does hurt the business in a competitive market place.

The USPS has had problems from this Great Recession, so it is another victim that was profitable and now isn't. It isn't going to recover all it's lost when times get better, because the changes in using the USPS have a habitual nature. Once people or businesses adapt to cut postage costs, there is little reason to change what they are doing during better times.

The USPS obviously has problems with advances in technology replacing some of the services it's offered in the past.

Personally, I think right-wingers act like they own the Post Office and they are against unions to the point that they just like to bitch. Even with the Constitution requiring the Post Office to exist, I have enough sense to know I don't own it and it's up to the Post Office to solve their own problems. They may have to work out a system to charge you rednecks more to use the service and not have mail delivered for the same price everywhere in America.

Oh please. Now you're just making excuses. And no it isn't usual. A money losing business for that matter is unsustainable. Most new small businesses do lose money in their first couple of years. After that, turn a profit or they die.
Same with any business. You know nothing of business. Shit you haven't graduated beyond your TV remote.
I neither stated nor implied the USPS was "the government"...So what the fuck are you trying to sell?
The pension issue is nonsense. The loss of First Class volume IS the issue.
The USPS is set up for failure because it must kowtow to a public employee union that saddles the USPS with costs that are not sustainable.
The rules are idiotic. A postal worker can bank unlimited sick and vacation time over the period of their career and upon retirement can continue to be paid regularly until those are exhausted. Meanwhile they continue to collect their pension.
So now you are going to scream "they worked for that"....No, the union extorted it from the USPS.
Right, the USPS like any other business struggles with the cost of benefits. Other businesses simply do what they must to control those costs. The USPS has to unconditionally accept the higher costs because of the shackles of the Union.
-" Once people or businesses adapt to cut postage costs, there is little reason to change what they are doing during better times."...
I will attempt to decipher this....I am guessing individuals and businesses have sought other means to move their parcels and letters. Um YEAH....That's called competition in the marketplace. This has ZILCH to do with any recession. The fact is we do less and lass with paper. In fact I get NO paper bills. NONE. Most businesses do most everything electronically. It's called technological advances.
One of the reasons why important papers that must be hand delivered are no longer sent via US Mail is because the process takes too long.
For example, if an attorney in a business deal requires the prospectus get to a prospective buyer or seller quickly and confidentially, he or she will use a service that not only gets the package to the recipient quickly but also ensures the object is delivered by hand and ON TIME. Fed Ex and UPS do a better job than the USPS. That is plain and simple.
Own the "post office"? What the fuck are you babbling about?
Rednecks? Oh yes all conservatives are rednecks. And you libs are all elitist overstuffed pompous pricks.

Losing money in an economic downturn doesn't make a business unsustainable and there is nothing to replace USPS. It's in the Constitution, so see if you can get support for an amendment to change it. USPS can borrow from the government and work it's way through it's problems. It isn't a big deal.

I have TVs, but I don't watch TV

The USPS isn't a small business starting off.

That money put aside for pension and health care costs is a problem and would be a problem for any corporation having that requirement. Ignoring that is just ignoring the facts. There are reasons why it is brought up whether you are smart enough to know it or not.

I've already pointed out the only concern the right-wing has about USPS is their anti-union stance. UPS is also union and only FedEx isn't. You love the Scab.

I've already brought up the point that changes during this recession won't return revenue in better times, so USPS is going to have to adjust and market itself better.

The best future for USPS is packages and all packages don't have to be delivered overnight. That is an area that still has growth. The internet is changing communication and legal documents are a small part of mail.

Stop worrying about the unions and acting like own the post office!

We know you greet each other at work with "may the Scab be with you."

 

[Dubya]

I can't wait to hear cons bitch about the cost of sending out a few hundred wedding invitations by FedEx

Oh please....DO you really believe that if the USPS stopped functioning tomorrow there would be no more weddings?
In business there is always a company there or a person/group to fill a void or generate an idea. If the USPS disappeared tomorrow, it would be replaced by something else.
The current USPS business model is a dinosaur.

There is nothing to fill the job USPS does, dumbass!

 

[Samson]

I can't wait to hear cons bitch about the cost of sending out a few hundred wedding invitations by FedEx

why would only "cons" care about the rising costs of sending weeding invitations?

The Partisan bent to your thinking is astonishingly one dimentional.

 

[Harry Dresden]

I can't wait until cons figure out how much it'll cost to send their letter by Fed Ex or UPS.

Hey sock puppet....This is not a political issue. Now is it one of ideology.
This issue is one of fiscal reason.
That being the fact that USPS First Class volume is down 25% in the last few years.
The fact is the USPS is a poorly run business. It runs a deficit for many reasons.
One is the USPS has too many people employed who do not directly handle or process mail.
The USPS does not charge enough to send pieces of mail over long distances.
Mail delivery charges should be applied to the distance the piece travels.
Bulk mail rates should be eliminated. All who use the service should pay full price. Advertising pieces should be charged an additional fee to use the USPS. After all the advertiser benefits from the USPS, they should PAY the USPS a little more for the service.

The fact is the USPS is a poorly run business. It runs a deficit for many reasons.
that definitely is one of the reasons......middle management especially.....
One is the USPS has too many people employed who do not directly handle or process mail.
yep....and they make decisions that impact everyone and so many times they make things worse.....but they have to try and "justify" their existence...
The USPS does not charge enough to send pieces of mail over long distances.
Mail delivery charges should be applied to the distance the piece travels.
Bulk mail rates should be eliminated. All who use the service should pay full price. Advertising pieces should be charged an additional fee to use the USPS. After all the advertiser benefits from the USPS, they should PAY the USPS a little more for the service.

the PO cant do shit about this.....the Postal Board of Governors then the Postal Rate Commission and finally Congress and who knows how many committees to get things changed...

 

[Harry Dresden]

it will never happen Junky......they are going to have a hard enough time having people come in and deliver just parcels on Sat......this PMG is not one of the brighter PMG's we have had to work under.....since he has been in charge the place is going under.....

Thanks to congress who insisted they fund their pension fund 75 years in advance. Cons want to privatize everything.

That dog no longer hunts. It's horse crap response.
If the law were reversed you people along with the USPS unions would go ballistic.

all the Unions are against that "law" ........

 

[Samson]

I can't wait until cons figure out how much it'll cost to send their letter by Fed Ex or UPS.

Hey sock puppet....This is not a political issue. Now is it one of ideology.
This issue is one of fiscal reason.
That being the fact that USPS First Class volume is down 25% in the last few years.
The fact is the USPS is a poorly run business. It runs a deficit for many reasons.
One is the USPS has too many people employed who do not directly handle or process mail.
The USPS does not charge enough to send pieces of mail over long distances.
Mail delivery charges should be applied to the distance the piece travels.
Bulk mail rates should be eliminated. All who use the service should pay full price. Advertising pieces should be charged an additional fee to use the USPS. After all the advertiser benefits from the USPS, they should PAY the USPS a little more for the service.

The fact is the USPS is a poorly run business. It runs a deficit for many reasons.
that definitely is one of the reasons......middle management especially.....
One is the USPS has too many people employed who do not directly handle or process mail.
yep....and they make decisions that impact everyone and so many times they make things worse.....but they have to try and "justify" their existence...
The USPS does not charge enough to send pieces of mail over long distances.
Mail delivery charges should be applied to the distance the piece travels.
Bulk mail rates should be eliminated. All who use the service should pay full price. Advertising pieces should be charged an additional fee to use the USPS. After all the advertiser benefits from the USPS, they should PAY the USPS a little more for the service.

the PO cant do shit about this.....the Postal Board of Governors then the Postal Rate Commission and finally Congress and who knows how many committees to get things changed...

Don't I recall our having this discussion...de ja vue all over again.

The problem with all Postal Services was the last time we chatted, and still is, IT IS OBSOLETE.

DITTO AMTRACK.

DITTO many weapon systems and military posts.

Ditto most Civil Services that have no incentive to ever improvise or innovate ANYTHING.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Oh please. Now you're just making excuses. And no it isn't usual. A money losing business for that matter is unsustainable. Most new small businesses do lose money in their first couple of years. After that, turn a profit or they die.
Same with any business. You know nothing of business. Shit you haven't graduated beyond your TV remote.
I neither stated nor implied the USPS was "the government"...So what the fuck are you trying to sell?
The pension issue is nonsense. The loss of First Class volume IS the issue.
The USPS is set up for failure because it must kowtow to a public employee union that saddles the USPS with costs that are not sustainable.
The rules are idiotic. A postal worker can bank unlimited sick and vacation time over the period of their career and upon retirement can continue to be paid regularly until those are exhausted. Meanwhile they continue to collect their pension.
So now you are going to scream "they worked for that"....No, the union extorted it from the USPS.
Right, the USPS like any other business struggles with the cost of benefits. Other businesses simply do what they must to control those costs. The USPS has to unconditionally accept the higher costs because of the shackles of the Union.
-" Once people or businesses adapt to cut postage costs, there is little reason to change what they are doing during better times."...
I will attempt to decipher this....I am guessing individuals and businesses have sought other means to move their parcels and letters. Um YEAH....That's called competition in the marketplace. This has ZILCH to do with any recession. The fact is we do less and lass with paper. In fact I get NO paper bills. NONE. Most businesses do most everything electronically. It's called technological advances.
One of the reasons why important papers that must be hand delivered are no longer sent via US Mail is because the process takes too long.
For example, if an attorney in a business deal requires the prospectus get to a prospective buyer or seller quickly and confidentially, he or she will use a service that not only gets the package to the recipient quickly but also ensures the object is delivered by hand and ON TIME. Fed Ex and UPS do a better job than the USPS. That is plain and simple.
Own the "post office"? What the fuck are you babbling about?
Rednecks? Oh yes all conservatives are rednecks. And you libs are all elitist overstuffed pompous pricks.

The rules are idiotic. A postal worker can bank unlimited sick and vacation time over the period of their career and upon retirement can continue to be paid regularly until those are exhausted. Meanwhile they continue to collect their pension.

you can not bank unlimited Vacation time......and you cannot continue collecting when you retire......when you retire,you retire....if you have unused sick leave that you have "banked"....you will only get a percentage of it and any unused vac time that you have you get paid for it.....

No, the union extorted it from the USPS.

the Union extorted very little in my time there.....just about every Contract went into Binding Arbitration.....both sides won and lost.....

Fed Ex and UPS do a better job than the USPS.

you would be surprised....we get asked by them if so and so lives here....did they move....is this house vacant....we deliver A LOT of Parcels for both of them that they dont want to deliver...not cost effective....so they pay us to do it....nice huh?....and talking to the businesses and people on the route.....it seems like we all fuck up....but everyone seems to like all three of the services the same.....some don't like one or the other.....some only go with one.....one thing the Letter Carrier has over the other guys is the people see us everyday and we get to know who are customers are.....the other guys only if you happen to get a delivery and its sign here...see you later....i had 980 deliveries on my last route and i bet i knew 70% of the people who lived on it and they knew me....

 

[Cowman]

FedEx Smart post just proves how much companies like FedEX are unwilling and really unable to meet the demand that is placed on an organization like the USPS.

I mean come on, FedEX using USPS for the final leg of the delivery? It just shows how much of a nightmare it is for even a huge company like FedEX to match the infrastructure that the USPS has.

I 100% believe that if the USPS were to disappear overnight, there would be nobody, no organization that would or could fill in the needs of such a massive and massively needed entity.

But no... stupid ass idiots who don't themselves get very much mail or care about the mail they get(85% junk mail maybe), think that their situation is the situation of every other American, every other business out there.

"I'm comfortable. Everybody else must be comfortable too."

 

[thereisnospoon]

I can't wait to hear cons bitch about the cost of sending out a few hundred wedding invitations by FedEx

Oh please....DO you really believe that if the USPS stopped functioning tomorrow there would be no more weddings?
In business there is always a company there or a person/group to fill a void or generate an idea. If the USPS disappeared tomorrow, it would be replaced by something else.
The current USPS business model is a dinosaur.

Please... tell me what entity will fill in for the USPS being able to deliver 554 million mail pieces EVERY SINGLE DAY to any address in the united states, at an appealing price?

What. You think a FedEX or a UPS are going to be able to fill that void?

USPS could triple their 1 ounce letter price and it'd still be far more appealing than anything FedEX or UPS could ever dream of offering.

If the USPS disappeared tomorrow, it would NOT be replaced by something else. There isn't a single entity that could build up the infrastructure and logistical capabilities that the USPS has, if it were to disappear, without monumental expenditures that couldn't even guarantee success. Nobody would be willing to do it.

Would not be replaced huh?...Unprecedented stupidity.
Do you really believe the business world would just leave that lucrative business on the table?
You are just full of biased opinions.
You are thinking inside a very small box. UPS and Fed Ex are just two shippers. Obviously though, either or both have a leg up. And as successful as each company is, I can say with all certainty either or both would be competing for that business. And I would imagine either or both would create new divisions to handle the work.
Look, they stopped making horse drawn carriages many years ago because they became obsolete. The USPS had better get its ass in gear. Otherwise it will become the next horse drawn carriage.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Oh please. Now you're just making excuses. And no it isn't usual. A money losing business for that matter is unsustainable. Most new small businesses do lose money in their first couple of years. After that, turn a profit or they die.
Same with any business. You know nothing of business. Shit you haven't graduated beyond your TV remote.
I neither stated nor implied the USPS was "the government"...So what the fuck are you trying to sell?
The pension issue is nonsense. The loss of First Class volume IS the issue.
The USPS is set up for failure because it must kowtow to a public employee union that saddles the USPS with costs that are not sustainable.
The rules are idiotic. A postal worker can bank unlimited sick and vacation time over the period of their career and upon retirement can continue to be paid regularly until those are exhausted. Meanwhile they continue to collect their pension.
So now you are going to scream "they worked for that"....No, the union extorted it from the USPS.
Right, the USPS like any other business struggles with the cost of benefits. Other businesses simply do what they must to control those costs. The USPS has to unconditionally accept the higher costs because of the shackles of the Union.
-" Once people or businesses adapt to cut postage costs, there is little reason to change what they are doing during better times."...
I will attempt to decipher this....I am guessing individuals and businesses have sought other means to move their parcels and letters. Um YEAH....That's called competition in the marketplace. This has ZILCH to do with any recession. The fact is we do less and lass with paper. In fact I get NO paper bills. NONE. Most businesses do most everything electronically. It's called technological advances.
One of the reasons why important papers that must be hand delivered are no longer sent via US Mail is because the process takes too long.
For example, if an attorney in a business deal requires the prospectus get to a prospective buyer or seller quickly and confidentially, he or she will use a service that not only gets the package to the recipient quickly but also ensures the object is delivered by hand and ON TIME. Fed Ex and UPS do a better job than the USPS. That is plain and simple.
Own the "post office"? What the fuck are you babbling about?
Rednecks? Oh yes all conservatives are rednecks. And you libs are all elitist overstuffed pompous pricks.

The rules are idiotic. A postal worker can bank unlimited sick and vacation time over the period of their career and upon retirement can continue to be paid regularly until those are exhausted. Meanwhile they continue to collect their pension.

you can not bank unlimited Vacation time......and you cannot continue collecting when you retire......when you retire,you retire....if you have unused sick leave that you have "banked"....you will only get a percentage of it and any unused vac time that you have you get paid for it.....

No, the union extorted it from the USPS.

the Union extorted very little in my time there.....just about every Contract went into Binding Arbitration.....both sides won and lost.....

Fed Ex and UPS do a better job than the USPS.

you would be surprised....we get asked by them if so and so lives here....did they move....is this house vacant....we deliver A LOT of Parcels for both of them that they dont want to deliver...not cost effective....so they pay us to do it....nice huh?....and talking to the businesses and people on the route.....it seems like we all fuck up....but everyone seems to like all three of the services the same.....some don't like one or the other.....some only go with one.....one thing the Letter Carrier has over the other guys is the people see us everyday and we get to know who are customers are.....the other guys only if you happen to get a delivery and its sign here...see you later....i had 980 deliveries on my last route and i bet i knew 70% of the people who lived on it and they knew me....

About 10 or so years ago, my friend's uncle retired from the PO after 35 years. He told me he had saved up two years worth of sick time. He said he had the lump sum option or he could accept the pay in regular checks until it was exhausted. He took option 2.
He made no mention of it affecting his pension checks.
Look, the deal is the USPS isn't doing it right. It's bleeding money. Customer complaints are way up. People poke fun calling it "snail mail". The mail is slow. Sometimes alarmingly slow.
Anyway, it is time for the USPS to get lean, slash costs, slash labor and operate like its existence depended upon at least breaking even.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Thanks to congress who insisted they fund their pension fund 75 years in advance. Cons want to privatize everything.

That dog no longer hunts. It's horse crap response.
If the law were reversed you people along with the USPS unions would go ballistic.

all the Unions are against that "law" ........

How is it possible that the union would accept their member's pension system being essentially defunded....Assuming the hacks on here got their way and the pension "law" were repealed. I am going on pure logic here.

 

[auditor0007]

Postal Service to cut Saturday mail to trim costs | US National Headlines | Comcast

The U.S. Postal Service will stop delivering mail on Saturdays but continue to deliver packages six days a week under a plan aimed at saving about $2 billion annually, the financially struggling agency says.

In an announcement scheduled for later Wednesday, the service is expected to say the Saturday mail cutback would begin in August.

The move accentuates one of the agency's strong points — package delivery has increased by 14 percent since 2010, officials say, while the delivery of letters and other mail has declined with the increasing use of email and other Internet services.

How about stop all delivery ? Government mismanagement at its best. They can keep all there junk mail, what a dinosaur.

Well worth the read:

Hightower Lowdown | The Post Office is not broke--and it hasn't taken any of our tax money since 1971

 

[Cowman]

Oh please. Now you're just making excuses. And no it isn't usual. A money losing business for that matter is unsustainable. Most new small businesses do lose money in their first couple of years. After that, turn a profit or they die.
Same with any business. You know nothing of business. Shit you haven't graduated beyond your TV remote.
I neither stated nor implied the USPS was "the government"...So what the fuck are you trying to sell?
The pension issue is nonsense. The loss of First Class volume IS the issue.
The USPS is set up for failure because it must kowtow to a public employee union that saddles the USPS with costs that are not sustainable.
The rules are idiotic. A postal worker can bank unlimited sick and vacation time over the period of their career and upon retirement can continue to be paid regularly until those are exhausted. Meanwhile they continue to collect their pension.
So now you are going to scream "they worked for that"....No, the union extorted it from the USPS.
Right, the USPS like any other business struggles with the cost of benefits. Other businesses simply do what they must to control those costs. The USPS has to unconditionally accept the higher costs because of the shackles of the Union.
-" Once people or businesses adapt to cut postage costs, there is little reason to change what they are doing during better times."...
I will attempt to decipher this....I am guessing individuals and businesses have sought other means to move their parcels and letters. Um YEAH....That's called competition in the marketplace. This has ZILCH to do with any recession. The fact is we do less and lass with paper. In fact I get NO paper bills. NONE. Most businesses do most everything electronically. It's called technological advances.
One of the reasons why important papers that must be hand delivered are no longer sent via US Mail is because the process takes too long.
For example, if an attorney in a business deal requires the prospectus get to a prospective buyer or seller quickly and confidentially, he or she will use a service that not only gets the package to the recipient quickly but also ensures the object is delivered by hand and ON TIME. Fed Ex and UPS do a better job than the USPS. That is plain and simple.
Own the "post office"? What the fuck are you babbling about?
Rednecks? Oh yes all conservatives are rednecks. And you libs are all elitist overstuffed pompous pricks.

The rules are idiotic. A postal worker can bank unlimited sick and vacation time over the period of their career and upon retirement can continue to be paid regularly until those are exhausted. Meanwhile they continue to collect their pension.

you can not bank unlimited Vacation time......and you cannot continue collecting when you retire......when you retire,you retire....if you have unused sick leave that you have "banked"....you will only get a percentage of it and any unused vac time that you have you get paid for it.....

No, the union extorted it from the USPS.

the Union extorted very little in my time there.....just about every Contract went into Binding Arbitration.....both sides won and lost.....

Fed Ex and UPS do a better job than the USPS.

you would be surprised....we get asked by them if so and so lives here....did they move....is this house vacant....we deliver A LOT of Parcels for both of them that they dont want to deliver...not cost effective....so they pay us to do it....nice huh?....and talking to the businesses and people on the route.....it seems like we all fuck up....but everyone seems to like all three of the services the same.....some don't like one or the other.....some only go with one.....one thing the Letter Carrier has over the other guys is the people see us everyday and we get to know who are customers are.....the other guys only if you happen to get a delivery and its sign here...see you later....i had 980 deliveries on my last route and i bet i knew 70% of the people who lived on it and they knew me....

About 10 or so years ago, my friend's uncle retired from the PO after 35 years. He told me he had saved up two years worth of sick time. He said he had the lump sum option or he could accept the pay in regular checks until it was exhausted. He took option 2.
He made no mention of it affecting his pension checks.
Look, the deal is the USPS isn't doing it right. It's bleeding money. Customer complaints are way up. People poke fun calling it "snail mail". The mail is slow. Sometimes alarmingly slow.
Anyway, it is time for the USPS to get lean, slash costs, slash labor and operate like its existence depended upon at least breaking even.

You don't know the first god damn thing you're talking about.

I mailed a USPS standard sized under 1 ounce letter to myself during the course of my job(had to mail it to myself, couldn't just take it. Proper procedure), and I was surprised it arrived the next day. That's not to say that's standard, but it happens often enough.

USPS parcels also always seem to arrive sooner than FedEX and UPS Parcels, usually even beating the expected delivery date.

The Postal Service will actually deliver letters ahead of their scheduled delivery date. You cannot get that with FedEX and UPS. If you have a package scheduled to arrive February 17th by FedEX and UPS, and you track it... so often you'll find that it's in your city able to be delivered, but it just gets held at the facility until the proper date. That shit doesn't happen with the USPS.

That's not to say USPS is the best and without flaw, and that FedEX and UPS are terrible. Far from it. What I am saying however, is that your mocking of USPS speed is total fucking bullshit.

"Snail Mail" isn't strictly applicable to the USPS. FedEX and UPS are also technically considered Snail Mail. Letters, parcels, delivered by courier via physical transportation means instead of electronic means. THAT is what Snail Mail means. FedEX and UPS are no faster or more reliable than USPS. If you want Overnight, all three carriers can provide that for you.

The USPS isn't perfect and things can be improved, but the notion that it's doing everything wrong is absolutely bullshit. The USPS has a proven track record of doing a great many things right. It's an incredible feat of engineering, logistics and sheer commitment, the service the USPS provides.

Your solution is to fucking gut that and get rid of it entirely? Fucking please. All that demonstrates is that you have ulterior motives. If you can't acknowledge the brilliance of what the USPS can accomplish, you're ignorant. 550 million pieces of mail daily(EDIT: actually that number is outdated. It's 660 million or more now). FedEX and UPS can't even come close to touching that. FedEX itself only delivers about 3.4 million. I believe the number on UPS is slightly smaller, more around 2 million(EDIT: these numbers are actually old too. Between them it's about 25 million total). Do you not see the extreme differences there? The number of parcels, not counting letters or flats that the postal service delivers every day dwarfs FedEX, UPS and every single other delivery agency in the country by a large margin.

And you think the solution is to just dump that? Scrap it because it's doing things wrong and poorly? You don't think the solution is to revitalize it and make it work in a more efficient, more cost effective way? You are an ignorant little prick who doesn't understand the full scale of operation that the USPS is compared to any of the other major shipping services. It would take 100+ additional FedEX's easily to fill in the void that the USPS would leave behind. FedEX and UPS are small fry in comparison.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Hey sock puppet....This is not a political issue. Now is it one of ideology.
This issue is one of fiscal reason.
That being the fact that USPS First Class volume is down 25% in the last few years.
The fact is the USPS is a poorly run business. It runs a deficit for many reasons.
One is the USPS has too many people employed who do not directly handle or process mail.
The USPS does not charge enough to send pieces of mail over long distances.
Mail delivery charges should be applied to the distance the piece travels.
Bulk mail rates should be eliminated. All who use the service should pay full price. Advertising pieces should be charged an additional fee to use the USPS. After all the advertiser benefits from the USPS, they should PAY the USPS a little more for the service.

The fact is the USPS is a poorly run business. It runs a deficit for many reasons.
that definitely is one of the reasons......middle management especially.....
One is the USPS has too many people employed who do not directly handle or process mail.
yep....and they make decisions that impact everyone and so many times they make things worse.....but they have to try and "justify" their existence...
The USPS does not charge enough to send pieces of mail over long distances.
Mail delivery charges should be applied to the distance the piece travels.
Bulk mail rates should be eliminated. All who use the service should pay full price. Advertising pieces should be charged an additional fee to use the USPS. After all the advertiser benefits from the USPS, they should PAY the USPS a little more for the service.

the PO cant do shit about this.....the Postal Board of Governors then the Postal Rate Commission and finally Congress and who knows how many committees to get things changed...

Don't I recall our having this discussion...de ja vue all over again.

The problem with all Postal Services was the last time we chatted, and still is, IT IS OBSOLETE.

DITTO AMTRACK.

DITTO many weapon systems and military posts.

Ditto most Civil Services that have no incentive to ever improvise or innovate ANYTHING.

tell that to the Millions of people who use the USPS over the other guys Sam.....until there are no first class mailings......you are wrong.....and what does any of this have to do with my post you quoted?....