President Obama: What Makes Us America

[boedicca]

OK, so blaming Bush wont work. Let's blaem Maliki. I mean, it's not like Obama had any ability to influence events there, right?

Somehow, the Koch Brothers must be to blame.

 

[BlindBoo]

.....And that opportunity was squandered over the course of five years or so because the prime minister, Maliki, was much more interested in consolidating his Shiite base and very suspicious of the Sunnis and the Kurds, who make up the other two-thirds of the country. So what you did not see was a government that had built a sense of national unity. And if you don't have...

Steve Kroft: Or an army.

President Obama: Or an army that feels committed to the nation as opposed to a particular sect.........

Look more like a flawed strategy(nation building) to me.

Blindness probably has a lot to do with your point of view:

President Obama: Well, here's what happened in Iraq. When we left, we had left them a democracy that was intact, a military that was well equipped, and the ability then to chart their own course.

THEN

that opportunity was squandered over the course of five years.​

Taking a few words out of many and extrapolating a meaning to fit a particular narrative probably has a lot to do with yours.

"Out of Many?"

You want me to quote the whole fucking interview for you?

Did I copy the whole fucking thing?

Here you go:

President Obama: Well, here's what happened in Iraq. When we left, we had left them a democracy that was intact, a military that was well equipped, and the ability then to chart their own course.......This is AFTER the US occupied Iraq....Get It? This was the result of nation building, or as you've chosen to call it "flawed strategy."


And that opportunity was squandered over the course of five years or so because the prime minister, Maliki, was much more interested in consolidating his Shiite base and very suspicious of the Sunnis and the Kurds, who make up the other two-thirds of the country. So what you did not see was a government that had built a sense of national unity. And if you don't have...This is AFTER the US was NOT occupying Iraq. This was the result of NOT nation building.
Steve Kroft: Or an army.
President Obama: Or an army that feels committed to the nation as opposed to a particular sect. Now the good news is that the new prime minister, Abadi, who I met with this week, so far at least has sent all the right signals.....Did Abadi just magically show up one day? No, The USA made it happen: Again, NATION BUILDING

And that's why it goes back to what I said before, Steve, we can't do this for them We cannot do this for them because it's not just a military problem. It is a political problem. And if we make the mistake of simply sending U.S. troops back in, we can maintain peace for a while. But unless there is a change in how, not just Iraq, but countries like Syria and some of the other countries in the region, think about what political accommodation means. Think about what tolerance means....Gee I wonder how this is going to happen....NATION BUILDING? OR WAVING A MAGIC WAND?

My brothers and I would never fight while dad was around. Soon after he would leave, the fighting began. The US leaves on schedule and the infighting between the Shiite and Sunnis began soon thereafter. Making a mockery of our attempt at nation building.

 

[LoneLaugher]

USMB nutters would be served well if they sought out real understanding instead of always looking for a "gotchya" moment. The past matters.....the present is only the present for a moment in time. Things happen.....then other things happen.....things change.

When you look for simple solutions to complex problems......and then bitch and moan every time shit isn't simple.....you are probably a USMB nutter.

What are you babbling about?

"gotchya moment?" The entire interview?

"Nutter's" like Steve Kroft on 60 minutes?

No. Nutters like you. Not the entire interview. The part you started the thread with. That's what you wanted to discuss. You think you caught Obama saying that Bush did a great job in Iraq. That's what you want to discuss. You thought you found a "gotchya". You started this thread thinking you'd back someone into a corner. You thought you'd catch someone admitting that Obama fucked up the great job that bush did in Iraq.

That's lame and stupid. You fail.

 

[Samson]

OK, so blaming Bush wont work. Let's blaem Maliki. I mean, it's not like Obama had any ability to influence events there, right?

Somehow, the Koch Brothers must be to blame.

Koch Brothers were not mentioned.

In the interview.

Linked in the OP.

Troll.

 

[Samson]

My brothers and I would never fight while dad was around. Soon after he would leave, the fighting began. The US leaves on schedule and the infighting between the Shiite and Sunnis began soon thereafter. Making a mockery of our attempt at nation building.

"he would leave?"

Did he fly to another continent and live there and never come back whilst you and brothers burnt the house down?

 

[BlindBoo]

See, Blind Boo's naturaly defense mechanism will kick in and he will misinterpret, distort, mock or otherwise dismiss what you say because he cannot win on the merits and cannot admit that fact.
The fact is Iraq was doing relatively well when Bush left office. Infrastructure was rebuilding. Oil was starting to flow. The country had had 2 free and fair elections--more than Democrats have allowed here.
And everyone told Obama, if you pull out and wash your hands we'll back there within 10 yers.
And voila, exactly what happened.

With thousand of troops still patrolling the cities and the Sunnis being paid off in the West, why wouldn't it be?

 

[boedicca]

OK, so blaming Bush wont work. Let's blaem Maliki. I mean, it's not like Obama had any ability to influence events there, right?

Somehow, the Koch Brothers must be to blame.

Koch Brothers were not mentioned.

In the interview.

Linked in the OP.

Troll.

Tissue?

 

[BlindBoo]

Blindness probably has a lot to do with your point of view:

President Obama: Well, here's what happened in Iraq. When we left, we had left them a democracy that was intact, a military that was well equipped, and the ability then to chart their own course.

THEN

that opportunity was squandered over the course of five years.​

Taking a few words out of many and extrapolating a meaning to fit a particular narrative probably has a lot to do with yours.

Holding people accountable for their words really sucks sometimes. Huh?

Here's the entire section of the interview in which 1. Obama praises the state of Iraq after the "flawed strategy (nation building)" and 2. describes the disaster that happened AFTER WE LEFT (no nation building)

President Obama: Well, here's what happened in Iraq. When we left, we had left them a democracy that was intact, a military that was well equipped, and the ability then to chart their own course. And that opportunity was squandered over the course of five years or so because the prime minister, Maliki, was much more interested in consolidating his Shiite base and very suspicious of the Sunnis and the Kurds, who make up the other two-thirds of the country. So what you did not see was a government that had built a sense of national unity. And if you don't have...
Steve Kroft: Or an army.
President Obama: Or an army that feels committed to the nation as opposed to a particular sect. Now the good news is that the new prime minister, Abadi, who I met with this week, so far at least has sent all the right signals. And that's why it goes back to what I said before, Steve, we can't do this for them. We cannot do this for them because it's not just a military problem. It is a political problem. And if we make the mistake of simply sending U.S. troops back in, we can maintain peace for a while. But unless there is a change in how, not just Iraq, but countries like Syria and some of the other countries in the region, think about what political accommodation means. Think about what tolerance means
​

Now where in this does any bone-head arrive at the conclusion that there was any "flawed strategy" related to "nation building?

It started when the occupation government disbanded the old Iraq Army, setting the stage for the Iraq Civil war and the break up of the Iraqi state.

Well, I guess you and Obama disagree.

Wouldn't be the first time.

 

[The Rabbi]

See, Blind Boo's naturaly defense mechanism will kick in and he will misinterpret, distort, mock or otherwise dismiss what you say because he cannot win on the merits and cannot admit that fact.
The fact is Iraq was doing relatively well when Bush left office. Infrastructure was rebuilding. Oil was starting to flow. The country had had 2 free and fair elections--more than Democrats have allowed here.
And everyone told Obama, if you pull out and wash your hands we'll back there within 10 yers.
And voila, exactly what happened.

With thousand of troops still patrolling the cities and the Sunnis being paid off in the West, why wouldn't it be?

So you admit that Obama was correct: When we left Iraq it was a relatively peaceful place. Once Obama ordered total withdrawal, it all went to hell, which is what many predicted.

 

[Samson]

USMB nutters would be served well if they sought out real understanding instead of always looking for a "gotchya" moment. The past matters.....the present is only the present for a moment in time. Things happen.....then other things happen.....things change.

When you look for simple solutions to complex problems......and then bitch and moan every time shit isn't simple.....you are probably a USMB nutter.

What are you babbling about?

"gotchya moment?" The entire interview?

"Nutter's" like Steve Kroft on 60 minutes?

No. Nutters like you. Not the entire interview. The part you started the thread with. That's what you wanted to discuss. You think you caught Obama saying that Bush did a great job in Iraq. That's what you want to discuss. You thought you found a "gotchya". You started this thread thinking you'd back someone into a corner. You thought you'd catch someone admitting that Obama fucked up the great job that bush did in Iraq.

That's lame and stupid. You fail.

Um did I say that Obama said Bush did a great job?

No.


I said, "Looks like Bush did good"

It is an OPINION, based on Obama's description of Iraq after "we left."

Try again moron.

 

[LoneLaugher]

See, Blind Boo's naturaly defense mechanism will kick in and he will misinterpret, distort, mock or otherwise dismiss what you say because he cannot win on the merits and cannot admit that fact.
The fact is Iraq was doing relatively well when Bush left office. Infrastructure was rebuilding. Oil was starting to flow. The country had had 2 free and fair elections--more than Democrats have allowed here.
And everyone told Obama, if you pull out and wash your hands we'll back there within 10 yers.
And voila, exactly what happened.

With thousand of troops still patrolling the cities and the Sunnis being paid off in the West, why wouldn't it be?

So you admit that Obama was correct: When we left Iraq it was a relatively peaceful place. Once Obama ordered total withdrawal, it all went to hell, which is what many predicted.

And the idiot Texan picks up Samson's fumble and tries for the score!

 

[BlindBoo]

My brothers and I would never fight while dad was around. Soon after he would leave, the fighting began. The US leaves on schedule and the infighting between the Shiite and Sunnis began soon thereafter. Making a mockery of our attempt at nation building.

"he would leave?"

Did he fly to another continent and live there and never come back whilst you and brothers burnt the house down?

Yes he went on many business trips. I remember well mom saying "You just wait till your father gets home......" Our favorite time was when he went to the North Slope for about three week in the summers. But we were hellions......mom was a saint.

 

[LoneLaugher]

USMB nutters would be served well if they sought out real understanding instead of always looking for a "gotchya" moment. The past matters.....the present is only the present for a moment in time. Things happen.....then other things happen.....things change.

When you look for simple solutions to complex problems......and then bitch and moan every time shit isn't simple.....you are probably a USMB nutter.

What are you babbling about?

"gotchya moment?" The entire interview?

"Nutter's" like Steve Kroft on 60 minutes?

No. Nutters like you. Not the entire interview. The part you started the thread with. That's what you wanted to discuss. You think you caught Obama saying that Bush did a great job in Iraq. That's what you want to discuss. You thought you found a "gotchya". You started this thread thinking you'd back someone into a corner. You thought you'd catch someone admitting that Obama fucked up the great job that bush did in Iraq.

That's lame and stupid. You fail.

Um did I say that Obama said Bush did a great job?

No.


I said "It sounds like Bush did good:" It is an OPINION, based on Obama's description of Iraq after "we left."

Try again moron.

Yes. I'm a moron for figuring out what you tried to say with the OP. If that isn't what you were trying to say.......maybe you should be more clear. Look at what Rabbi just posted. How did this thread come to that point?

Try harder.

 

[The Rabbi]

See, Blind Boo's naturaly defense mechanism will kick in and he will misinterpret, distort, mock or otherwise dismiss what you say because he cannot win on the merits and cannot admit that fact.
The fact is Iraq was doing relatively well when Bush left office. Infrastructure was rebuilding. Oil was starting to flow. The country had had 2 free and fair elections--more than Democrats have allowed here.
And everyone told Obama, if you pull out and wash your hands we'll back there within 10 yers.
And voila, exactly what happened.

With thousand of troops still patrolling the cities and the Sunnis being paid off in the West, why wouldn't it be?

So you admit that Obama was correct: When we left Iraq it was a relatively peaceful place. Once Obama ordered total withdrawal, it all went to hell, which is what many predicted.

And the idiot Texan picks up Samson's fumble and tries for the score!

If you can't follow the conversation and offer informed opinion, shut up and let the grownups talk.

 

[Samson]

See, Blind Boo's naturaly defense mechanism will kick in and he will misinterpret, distort, mock or otherwise dismiss what you say because he cannot win on the merits and cannot admit that fact.
The fact is Iraq was doing relatively well when Bush left office. Infrastructure was rebuilding. Oil was starting to flow. The country had had 2 free and fair elections--more than Democrats have allowed here.
And everyone told Obama, if you pull out and wash your hands we'll back there within 10 yers.
And voila, exactly what happened.

With thousand of troops still patrolling the cities and the Sunnis being paid off in the West, why wouldn't it be?

Right.

You probably wanted to make a point? Nation Building was working.


Thanks for playing.

 

[The Rabbi]

USMB nutters would be served well if they sought out real understanding instead of always looking for a "gotchya" moment. The past matters.....the present is only the present for a moment in time. Things happen.....then other things happen.....things change.

When you look for simple solutions to complex problems......and then bitch and moan every time shit isn't simple.....you are probably a USMB nutter.

What are you babbling about?

"gotchya moment?" The entire interview?

"Nutter's" like Steve Kroft on 60 minutes?

No. Nutters like you. Not the entire interview. The part you started the thread with. That's what you wanted to discuss. You think you caught Obama saying that Bush did a great job in Iraq. That's what you want to discuss. You thought you found a "gotchya". You started this thread thinking you'd back someone into a corner. You thought you'd catch someone admitting that Obama fucked up the great job that bush did in Iraq.

That's lame and stupid. You fail.

Um did I say that Obama said Bush did a great job?

No.


I said "It sounds like Bush did good:" It is an OPINION, based on Obama's description of Iraq after "we left."

Try again moron.

Yes. I'm a moron for figuring out what you tried to say with the OP. If that isn't what you were trying to say.......maybe you should be more clear. Look at what Rabbi just posted. How did this thread come to that point?

Try harder.

Neither Samson nor I has a degree in special ed. You'll have to ask someone else.

 

[Darkwind]

.....And that opportunity was squandered over the course of five years or so because the prime minister, Maliki, was much more interested in consolidating his Shiite base and very suspicious of the Sunnis and the Kurds, who make up the other two-thirds of the country. So what you did not see was a government that had built a sense of national unity. And if you don't have...

Steve Kroft: Or an army.

President Obama: Or an army that feels committed to the nation as opposed to a particular sect.........

Look more like a flawed strategy(nation building) to me.

That is because you cannot see beyond your ideology. Bush left a stable Iraq, and a real leader would have negotiated the Status of Force's agreement to have kept the country stable for the next 20 years. A real leader would have listened to the advice of experts in this arena and would have acted appropriately to ensure that further crisis would have been averted. To simplify it for you, ISIS would have been averted for decades, if not forever.

Instead, we elected an incompetent administrator who couldn't even properly administer a per-planned withdraw of our military from a stable theater.

 

[BlindBoo]

See, Blind Boo's naturaly defense mechanism will kick in and he will misinterpret, distort, mock or otherwise dismiss what you say because he cannot win on the merits and cannot admit that fact.
The fact is Iraq was doing relatively well when Bush left office. Infrastructure was rebuilding. Oil was starting to flow. The country had had 2 free and fair elections--more than Democrats have allowed here.
And everyone told Obama, if you pull out and wash your hands we'll back there within 10 yers.
And voila, exactly what happened.

With thousand of troops still patrolling the cities and the Sunnis being paid off in the West, why wouldn't it be?

So you admit that Obama was correct: When we left Iraq it was a relatively peaceful place. Once Obama ordered total withdrawal, it all went to hell, which is what many predicted.

You mean when Obama followed the Bush Bug Out Plan?

Except the debacle was predicted as far back as 2002 when it became apparent that the invasion of Iraq was the plan.

 

[The Rabbi]

.....And that opportunity was squandered over the course of five years or so because the prime minister, Maliki, was much more interested in consolidating his Shiite base and very suspicious of the Sunnis and the Kurds, who make up the other two-thirds of the country. So what you did not see was a government that had built a sense of national unity. And if you don't have...

Steve Kroft: Or an army.

President Obama: Or an army that feels committed to the nation as opposed to a particular sect.........

Look more like a flawed strategy(nation building) to me.

That is because you cannot see beyond your ideology. Bush left a stable Iraq, and a real leader would have negotiated the Status of Force's agreement to have kept the country stable for the next 20 years. A real leader would have listened to the advice of experts in this arena and would have acted appropriately to ensure that further crisis would have been averted. To simplify it for you, ISIS would have been averted for decades of not forever.

Instead, we elected an incompetent administrator who couldn't even properly administer a per-planned withdraw of our military from a stable theater.

No, see Obama had no power whatsoever to influence events. Bush must have taken all the power of the White House with him when he left, leaving Obama to take all the blame for failures Bush committed long after he was out of office.
See how easy that is?

 

[Samson]

USMB nutters would be served well if they sought out real understanding instead of always looking for a "gotchya" moment. The past matters.....the present is only the present for a moment in time. Things happen.....then other things happen.....things change.

When you look for simple solutions to complex problems......and then bitch and moan every time shit isn't simple.....you are probably a USMB nutter.

What are you babbling about?

"gotchya moment?" The entire interview?

"Nutter's" like Steve Kroft on 60 minutes?

No. Nutters like you. Not the entire interview. The part you started the thread with. That's what you wanted to discuss. You think you caught Obama saying that Bush did a great job in Iraq. That's what you want to discuss. You thought you found a "gotchya". You started this thread thinking you'd back someone into a corner. You thought you'd catch someone admitting that Obama fucked up the great job that bush did in Iraq.

That's lame and stupid. You fail.

Um did I say that Obama said Bush did a great job?

No.


I said "It sounds like Bush did good:" It is an OPINION, based on Obama's description of Iraq after "we left."

Try again moron.

Yes. I'm a moron for figuring out what you tried to say with the OP. If that isn't what you were trying to say.......maybe you should be more clear. Look at what Rabbi just posted. How did this thread come to that point?

Try harder.

Be more clear?

I said "It sounds like Bush did good:" It is an OPINION, based on Obama's description of Iraq after "we left."

How much simpler could I possibly make it for you?

Get your nurse to spoon feed you between your absurdly foolish posts