Property is Liberty, and Regulation Is Theft

[NYcarbineer]

7. Yet, our nation has gradually moved away from the liberty and freedom represented by the sanctity of private property.

It hasn't been gradual. Your concept was rejected by the writers of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. Your concept was rejected as the country formed. It was a known concept and was purposely left out and rejected. You yourself explain it in your OP.

Of course, that is your stock in trade: lies.


The Founders envisioned a nation based on liberty, and memorialized same in the Constitution.

It is based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.....and was until Franklin Roosevelt attached our nation to the Soviet communism of Joseph Stalin.

It was not based on free markets. You are ineducable.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Okay,

what's being stolen when you pass a law making it illegal for an industry to dump toxic waste into a river?

PC won't have an answer because she's too mentally retarded to defend her own rants.

Anyone? Anyone who doesn't think she's full of shit want to tell us the answer?

 

[Camp]

2. Why is 'private property's so important?
Before the Founders settled on 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness,' ....

"Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" is a well-known phrase in theUnited States Declaration of Independence.[1]The phrase gives three examples of the "unalienable rights" which the Declaration says has been given to all human beings by their Creator, and for which governments are created to protect. ....In 1689, Locke argued in hisTwo Treatises of Government that political society existed for the sake of protecting "property", which he defined as a person's "life, liberty, and estate"
Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



3. While our founding documents memorialize our rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, the Virginia Declaration preceded it by several months. In same, George Mason had written “…the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring and possessing property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety.…” Virginia Declaration of Rights, 1776

1. The emphasis on property came from philosopher John Locke, who believed that all men had the natural rights to acquire, protect, and dispose of property.
2. Jefferson preferred the shift from material property and toward the pursuit of happiness: by such, morality became uppermost.

One of PoliticalChics really dopey threads. Here she destroys her concept in her own OP. Locke was not the writer or a founder of the nation. Jefferson was, and Jefferson rejected Lockes concept of "life, liberty and estate" and replaced estate with "pursuit of happiness".

 

[NYcarbineer]

Everything is 'theft' to the RWnuts. It's hilarious.

When the government can take the land you own or the house you live in at any time what do you call it?

I call it democracy. The People, right or wrong, gave the government that power.

We'll see of you feel that way when the government tells you it's taking your home and paying you pennies on the dollar for it leaving you with a huge mortgage balance to pay off

That's how you lost your home?

 

[Moonglow]

It really pains me when I can dump my toilet waste on my neighbors property...

 

[PoliticalChic]

2. Why is 'private property's so important?
Before the Founders settled on 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness,' ....

"Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" is a well-known phrase in theUnited States Declaration of Independence.[1]The phrase gives three examples of the "unalienable rights" which the Declaration says has been given to all human beings by their Creator, and for which governments are created to protect. ....In 1689, Locke argued in hisTwo Treatises of Government that political society existed for the sake of protecting "property", which he defined as a person's "life, liberty, and estate"
Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



3. While our founding documents memorialize our rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, the Virginia Declaration preceded it by several months. In same, George Mason had written “…the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring and possessing property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety.…” Virginia Declaration of Rights, 1776

1. The emphasis on property came from philosopher John Locke, who believed that all men had the natural rights to acquire, protect, and dispose of property.
2. Jefferson preferred the shift from material property and toward the pursuit of happiness: by such, morality became uppermost.

One of PoliticalChics really dopey threads. Here she destroys her concept in her own OP. Locke was not the writer or a founder of the nation. Jefferson was, and Jefferson rejected Lockes concept of "life, liberty and estate" and replaced estate with "pursuit of happiness".

So.....you can't find a single thing in any of my posts that isn't true?


Must really burn you up, huh?

 

[PoliticalChic]

It really pains me when I can dump my toilet waste on my neighbors property...

What a typical post by a third grader...I mean, by a Liberal.

Isn't it time for you to recognize that this type of thread is way over your head?

 

[Mac1958]

The absolutists are causing the GOP great harm.

Maybe back away from the radio for a few months.
.

 

[Moonglow]

It really pains me when I can dump my toilet waste on my neighbors property...

What a typical post by a third grader...I mean, by a Liberal.

Isn't it time for you to recognize that this type of thread is way over your head?

You do know that the whey the Founders set up the executive branch, even if you had property, you couldn't vote for the president or vice president, those damn Marxist..

 

[PoliticalChic]

Now...about that 'regulation' thing that tells 'owners of private property' what they can do with 'their' property?????


8. The religion known as the environmental movement uses regulation as a method of wresting control of private property from rightful owners.

After all, if you deny the right to use one's property based on some bogus claim about spotted owls or whatever, you have stolen the right of said property owner.
Hitler's National Socialists did the very same thing.



The Spotted Owl (Strix occidentalis) is a species oftrue owl. It is a resident species of old-growth forests in westernNorth America, where it nests in tree holes, oldbird of preynests, or rock crevices….TheInternational Union for Conservation of Nature(IUCN) Red list status for the Spotted Owl is Near Threatened with a decreasing population trend…..In February 2008, a federal judge reinforced aU.S. Fish and Wildlife Service decision to designate 8,600,000 acres (35,000 km2) in Arizona, Utah, Colorado and New Mexico as critical habitat for the owl. Spotted owl - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


But......
a. Ten years of research and more than 1,000 published studies detail the threats to its survival, but there's still no sure way to stop its decline. Saving the Spotted Owl


Hmmm.....regulations wresting control of private land from the owners...yet, "no sure way to stop its decline..."????


Time to ask what the purpose of said regulations are, then?



Property is Liberty, and Regulation Is Theft

 

[Camp]

re: #29
In some ways.

This requires a fuller explanation.

It was the Constitution that prevented the tyranny....the government becoming a monopoly.

1. Justice James McReynolds, for instance, announcing from the bench in 1935 his dissent from Court decisions upholding President Franklin Roosevelt’s orders taking the federal government off the gold standard, famously uttered extemporaneously a line not found in his written opinion: “The Constitution, as we have known it, is gone.” Remarks of Philip B. Perlman, Solicitor General of the United States, at Proceedings in the Supreme Court of the United States in Memory of Mr. Justice McReynolds, 334 U.S. v, x (Mar. 31, 1948).

2. In July 5, 1935, in a letter to Representative Samuel B. Hill of Washington, the President manifested his contempt for the Constitution. Hill was chairman of the subcommittee studying the Guffey-Vinson bill to regulate the coal industry: the purpose of the legislation was to re-establish, for the coal industry, the NRA code system which the Supreme Court had unanimously declared unconstitutional. Roosevelt wrote: "I hope your committee will not permit doubts as to constitutionality, however reasonable, to block the legislation.

This was the same Roosevelt who had sworn an oath on his 300 year old family Bible, to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

If the words of Justice McReynolds were not written in his opinion they have no meaning and in reality. legally have no weight and do not exist. If he didn't have the courage to write those words down, they are meaningless.

The Guffey-Vinson coal bill was rewritten and approved by the SCOTUS. Laws have always passed in Congress only to be knocked down by court rulings. That is why we have courts. It still goes on to this very day. It is how our government works.

He said it.

He was correct.

You're still a lying, anti-America low-life.

You are a dunce. It doesn't matter if he said it or not. His comment is just a rumored remark and has no legal standing. That is what I said and I am right. Did the Guffy-Vinson Act get adjusted to fit the court's comments and critiques or not? Yes, it did. When the FDR administration heard from the court they made adjustments to the bill.

 

[Moonglow]

You mean regs like; If you have animals you must fence them in or you can legally lose them if they run free on another persons property? Or Benton county Ark. where the GOP is strongly entrenched and the regs there make you use a dog leash to walk your dogs, even in the rural areas??
You do know that people that own property also desire most of the property regs?

 

[NYcarbineer]

It really pains me when I can dump my toilet waste on my neighbors property...

What a typical post by a third grader...I mean, by a Liberal.

Isn't it time for you to recognize that this type of thread is way over your head?

What is being stolen if your government passes laws that regulate how you dispose of waste on your property?

 

[NYcarbineer]

2. Why is 'private property's so important?
Before the Founders settled on 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness,' ....

"Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" is a well-known phrase in theUnited States Declaration of Independence.[1]The phrase gives three examples of the "unalienable rights" which the Declaration says has been given to all human beings by their Creator, and for which governments are created to protect. ....In 1689, Locke argued in hisTwo Treatises of Government that political society existed for the sake of protecting "property", which he defined as a person's "life, liberty, and estate"
Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



3. While our founding documents memorialize our rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, the Virginia Declaration preceded it by several months. In same, George Mason had written “…the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring and possessing property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety.…” Virginia Declaration of Rights, 1776

1. The emphasis on property came from philosopher John Locke, who believed that all men had the natural rights to acquire, protect, and dispose of property.
2. Jefferson preferred the shift from material property and toward the pursuit of happiness: by such, morality became uppermost.

One of PoliticalChics really dopey threads. Here she destroys her concept in her own OP. Locke was not the writer or a founder of the nation. Jefferson was, and Jefferson rejected Lockes concept of "life, liberty and estate" and replaced estate with "pursuit of happiness".

So.....you can't find a single thing in any of my posts that isn't true?


Must really burn you up, huh?

John Locke didn't write or sign the Constitution.

 

[Moonglow]

It really pains me when I can dump my toilet waste on my neighbors property...

What a typical post by a third grader...I mean, by a Liberal.

Isn't it time for you to recognize that this type of thread is way over your head?

What is being stolen if your government passes laws that regulate how you dispose of waste on your property?

Another Trumpbot that is against imminent domain..

 

[NYcarbineer]

Everything is 'theft' to the RWnuts. It's hilarious.

When the government can take the land you own or the house you live in at any time what do you call it?

Due process if it's done legally.

Can you tell us what is being stolen if the government requires you to have an approved sewer system on your residential or business property?

 

[koshergrl]

Everything is 'theft' to the RWnuts. It's hilarious.

When the government can take the land you own or the house you live in at any time what do you call it?

I call it democracy. The People, right or wrong, gave the government that power.

We'll see of you feel that way when the government tells you it's taking your home and paying you pennies on the dollar for it leaving you with a huge mortgage balance to pay off

And when you refuse to sell, throw you in jail and take your land, as is happening all over rural.America as we speak.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Okay,

what's being stolen when you pass a law making it illegal for an industry to dump toxic waste into a river?

PC won't have an answer because she's too mentally retarded to defend her own rants.

Anyone? Anyone who doesn't think she's full of shit want to tell us the answer?

So far, no one, including the OP, who made the false accusation, can tell us why the above is THEFT?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Everything is 'theft' to the RWnuts. It's hilarious.

When the government can take the land you own or the house you live in at any time what do you call it?

I call it democracy. The People, right or wrong, gave the government that power.

We'll see of you feel that way when the government tells you it's taking your home and paying you pennies on the dollar for it leaving you with a huge mortgage balance to pay off

And when you refuse to sell, throw you in jail and take your land, as is happening all over rural.America as we speak.

Are you talking about the Pipeline people? I think they're losing.

 

[Camp]

2. Why is 'private property's so important?
Before the Founders settled on 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness,' ....

"Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" is a well-known phrase in theUnited States Declaration of Independence.[1]The phrase gives three examples of the "unalienable rights" which the Declaration says has been given to all human beings by their Creator, and for which governments are created to protect. ....In 1689, Locke argued in hisTwo Treatises of Government that political society existed for the sake of protecting "property", which he defined as a person's "life, liberty, and estate"
Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



3. While our founding documents memorialize our rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, the Virginia Declaration preceded it by several months. In same, George Mason had written “…the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring and possessing property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety.…” Virginia Declaration of Rights, 1776

1. The emphasis on property came from philosopher John Locke, who believed that all men had the natural rights to acquire, protect, and dispose of property.
2. Jefferson preferred the shift from material property and toward the pursuit of happiness: by such, morality became uppermost.

One of PoliticalChics really dopey threads. Here she destroys her concept in her own OP. Locke was not the writer or a founder of the nation. Jefferson was, and Jefferson rejected Lockes concept of "life, liberty and estate" and replaced estate with "pursuit of happiness".

So.....you can't find a single thing in any of my posts that isn't true?


Must really burn you up, huh?

The whole concept is a lie. You quoted Locke as if what Locke said was relevant. You used a fact, the Locke quote, to distort by misdirection. You knew the founders, particularly Jefferson, had rejected Locke's idea and words, but you went on to promote Locke's idea anyway because you need that lie to promote your agenda.