Protest forming against ground zero mosque

[Procrustes Stretched]

Close. Radical Islam has declared a Jihad.

Great movie. Check it out. Or not.

HBO: Terror in Mumbai: Home

What does radical Islam have to do with a Muslim building in NYC?

Oh Dante... Your back... Who's guarding Hell, while you're here????

There is no relation that you don't want to believe. Everybody loves you totally and will sacrifice life itself for your personal comfort. We are all here to serve your every whim Dante. ... What is that sound... ??? My alarm clock??? Oh it all makes sense now.

Radical Islam keeps you awake at night?

 

[CurveLight]

Yeah, I know who Sun-Tzu is.

"If they are angry, perturb them; be deferential to foster their arrogance." - The Art of War, Ch. 1

The bottom line for each of us Kalam, as Individual's created and Purposed by God, is to develop that relationship with Him through Conscience. Adhering to that transcends what We All impose on each other. There is no lie in that. Conscience First in All things. The less we stray, the better we are for it.

Great.

FYI, your quote was from The Godfather, not Sun-Tzu.

God is not a "Him."

 

[Intense]

What does radical Islam have to do with a Muslim building in NYC?

Oh Dante... Your back... Who's guarding Hell, while you're here????

There is no relation that you don't want to believe. Everybody loves you totally and will sacrifice life itself for your personal comfort. We are all here to serve your every whim Dante. ... What is that sound... ??? My alarm clock??? Oh it all makes sense now.

Radical Islam keeps you awake at night?

No Craig Ferguson usually knocks me out. I sleep soundly. Too many Mosques around here to worry about shit like that. It's the gangs and the drugs here that are the problem, here.

 

[Kalam]

The bottom line for each of us Kalam, as Individual's created and Purposed by God, is to develop that relationship with Him through Conscience. Adhering to that transcends what We All impose on each other. There is no lie in that. Conscience First in All things. The less we stray, the better we are for it.

Great.

FYI, your quote was from The Godfather, not Sun-Tzu.

My research showed both. I was thinking God Father when I researched it. The link shows Sun-Tzu being the original author.

Sun-tzu Quotes - The Quotations Page

It's probably a misconception. It's not in The Art of War, anyway.

 

[Kalam]

The bottom line for each of us Kalam, as Individual's created and Purposed by God, is to develop that relationship with Him through Conscience. Adhering to that transcends what We All impose on each other. There is no lie in that. Conscience First in All things. The less we stray, the better we are for it.

Great.

FYI, your quote was from The Godfather, not Sun-Tzu.

God is not a "Him."

What are you talking about?

 

[Intense]

Great.

FYI, your quote was from The Godfather, not Sun-Tzu.

My research showed both. I was thinking God Father when I researched it. The link shows Sun-Tzu being the original author.

Sun-tzu Quotes - The Quotations Page

It's probably a misconception. It's not in The Art of War, anyway.

Interestingly, I find references to it being an Arabian Proverb Quote too. I don't remember any reference to that in The Arabian Nights. Most of Google attributes it to Sun-Tzu.

 

[CurveLight]

The bottom line for each of us Kalam, as Individual's created and Purposed by God, is to develop that relationship with Him through Conscience. Adhering to that transcends what We All impose on each other. There is no lie in that. Conscience First in All things. The less we stray, the better we are for it.

Great.

FYI, your quote was from The Godfather, not Sun-Tzu.

My research showed both. I was thinking God Father when I researched it. The link shows Sun-Tzu being the original author.

Sun-tzu Quotes - The Quotations Page

That's because you don't know how to research an issue....which explains a lot of your positions. (Hint: try to find the quote published anywhere prior to 1974)

 

[Kalam]

My research showed both. I was thinking God Father when I researched it. The link shows Sun-Tzu being the original author.

Sun-tzu Quotes - The Quotations Page

It's probably a misconception. It's not in The Art of War, anyway.

Interestingly, I find references to it being an Arabian Proverb Quote too. I don't remember any reference to that in The Arabian Nights. Most of Google attributes it to Sun-Tzu.

If it's an Arabian proverb, I've never come across it. There is at least one teaching, however, that Sun-Tzu shared with Muhammad (SAWS):

"Warfare is the way of deception." - The Art of War, Ch. 1

Narrated Jabir ibn 'Abdullah: The Prophet said, "War is deceit." - Sahih Bukhari, Jihad, no. 269​

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Oh Dante... Your back... Who's guarding Hell, while you're here????

There is no relation that you don't want to believe. Everybody loves you totally and will sacrifice life itself for your personal comfort. We are all here to serve your every whim Dante. ... What is that sound... ??? My alarm clock??? Oh it all makes sense now.

Radical Islam keeps you awake at night?

No Craig Ferguson usually knocks me out. I sleep soundly. Too many Mosques around here to worry about shit like that. It's the gangs and the drugs here that are the problem, here.

Welcome to America after the GOP saved us from the horrible 60s and 70s.

Trickle down lifts all boats, but created a huge divide. America has lost most of it's middle class.

thank you Ronald Reagan

 

[Intense]

Great.

FYI, your quote was from The Godfather, not Sun-Tzu.

My research showed both. I was thinking God Father when I researched it. The link shows Sun-Tzu being the original author.

Sun-tzu Quotes - The Quotations Page

That's because you don't know how to research an issue....which explains a lot of your positions. (Hint: try to find the quote published anywhere prior to 1974)

Well curveball. We have already determined 3 sources

1. The Godfather Reference, which was my starting point.

2. Sun-Tzu, which it is attributed to.

3. An Arabian Proverb.

Got any better links????? Put up or shut up. Got nothing better to argue about??? Don't sweat it. You will always be my favorite turd.

 

[Intense]

Radical Islam keeps you awake at night?

No Craig Ferguson usually knocks me out. I sleep soundly. Too many Mosques around here to worry about shit like that. It's the gangs and the drugs here that are the problem, here.

Welcome to America after the GOP saved us from the horrible 60s and 70s.

Trickle down lifts all boats, but created a huge divide. America has lost most of it's middle class.

thank you Ronald Reagan

The middle class was displaced by over paid government workers, Dante. Great observation, I didn't think you had it in you.

 

[jelectric]

This is why I would not want a mosque anywhere near ground zero.

A new mosque is now being planned in New York near "Ground Zero," two blocks from where the World Trade Center used to be. This mosque is headed by an Imam, Feisal Abdul Rauf, founder of the Cordoba Initiative, who proposes to convert the now-shuttered Burlington Coat Factory on Park Place into an Islamic Cultural Center which would contain a mosque.

It is crucial to study the supremacist ideology of Islam and to recognize, for example, that the building of a mosque especially at Ground Zero is viewed by Muslims as a decisive victory over the infidels in Islam's march to establish its ultimate goal: the submission of all others to Islam and to Sharia Law.

On a daily bases, in so many parts of the world, deadly attacks are perpetrated by Jihadists either against non Muslims or, frequently, against Muslims -- especially Muslim women. The terror type of Jihad, however, is only one way for Islamists to accomplish their mission of making the "Kafir," or infidels, submit to Sharia Law. Another method is, as the author Robert Spencer calls it, an insidious, creeping "Stealth Jihad."

While Mr. Shahzad is the impatient Jihadist who attempts to destroy the West through terror, there is also the second type of Jihadist, who is much more patient, and who employs the "Stealth Jihad." The Stealth Jihadis are subtle in their approach and take their time to accomplish the same objective of submitting us all under Islam and under Sharia Law.

Recently, two separate episodes highlight this gloomy reality. The first is the attempted bombing of Times Square by the Pakistani terrorist, Faisal Shahzad, called by Leon de Winter "The Foreclosure Terrorist" from an anchor at CNN who said, "It can be confirmed that his house has been foreclosed in recent years. I mean, one would have to imagine, that brought a lot of pressure and a lot of heartache on that family."

To someone who grew up in a Muslim country, as I did, this can only be seen as ludicrous. Perhaps there should be a formal Fatwa, or religious edict called the "Foreclosure Jihad." No doubt, those at Al Azhar University in Cairo - the epicenter of Islamic jurisprudence -- might like this idea: It is an effective way to conceal the true narrative of Islam.

According to the Center of the study of Political Islam (Political Islam), over the last 1400 years, Muslims have murdered roughly 270 million kafirs [non-Muslims]; 60 million Christians, 80 million Hindus, 10 million Buddhists and around 120 million African slaves. Until today, as far as we know, there has not been any official acknowledgement or official apology by any official Islamic organization for these atrocities. This calamity is not a modern day phenomenon. It has been taking place since Islam's inception 1400 years ago.

This is what Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, a few years ago, said at the Chautauqua Institution in New York:

"Seven centuries before the Declaration of Independence was written Shari'a Law was intended to protect life, religion, property, family and mental well being. This is why I assert that America is in fact a Shari'a compliant state".

The Imam avoids mentioning that Islamic Sharia allows, among other ruthless practices, to beat women to discipline them, and that Sharia also still sanctions slavery. Is that not a bit different from American set of laws? Does the Imam recommend that the US implement the previous two practices into our system to be a more "Sharia compliant state"?

The Imam also said, in Sydney, Australia, that "The US and the West must acknowledge the harm they have done to Muslims before terrorism can end."

The declaration of war on the West -- as Bin Laden declared initially -- was not, bear in mind, based on this "harm" allegedly done to Muslins, but on Hadith, [reports on the sayings and activities of Mohammaed and his companiois] of Mohammed in Al-Buchary:

"I have been ordered to fight and kill all mankind until they say no God except Allah and Mohammed is the prophet of Allah."

This Hadith declares war on non-Muslims -- to subjugate them under Islam irrespective of their deeds. If terrorism is caused by the "harm by the West to Muslims," why then do Sunni Muslims burn Shi'ite mosques in countries like Pakistan and Iraq? Why is it that Islamists have been throwing acid on the faces of women in countries such as Pakistan, Afghanistan, Algeria and Iran? Are these brutalities also committed because the West harms Muslims?

Further, we all know that while Muslims can build mosques and practice their religion freely in the West, non-Muslims are forbidden to do the same in Islamic countries. How harmful to them is that?

This Imam also stated:

"The Islamic method of waging war is not to kill innocent civilians. But it was Christians in World War II who bombed civilians in Dresden and Hiroshima, neither of which were military targets."

As for women, the Imam says that, with regard to the role of women, and the education of women in most Muslim countries, that women are very active and involved, and that misogyny exists primarily in the tribal countries of the Arabian Peninsula.

This is a shameful and deceitful portrayal. The status of women in the Muslim countries is a misfortune that the world has overlooked for centuries, and for which it is now paying a high price for having ignored.

"A God Who Hates," the book I wrote last year, is dedicated to the memory of my niece Mayyada, who cut her life short by committing suicide to escape the hellish marriage imposed upon her under Islamic Sharia Law. There are currently millions of women who experience similar unimaginable suffering, all sanctioned under the tacit approval of Sharia. Their accounts are untold stories of unthinkable oppression and misery.

Now we have a Muslim Imam, who aspires to implement Sharia in the West, and who is a slick and eloquent speaker disguised as a "moderate" Muslim. He uses Taqiyya, the Islamic concept which calls for Muslims to lie to the enemy and deceive him based on Quran 3:28, to fool non-Muslims and those who are gullible or ignorant, and who play right into his hands.

While Feisal Rauf opposes Faisal Shahzas's terror strategy, both share the same objective of subjugating the West under Islam and under Sharia Law - both Faisals are two sides of the same coin.

As for the majority of our U.S. population, they are basically being kept in the dark as words like "Islamic terror" and "Jihad" are not anymore considered by the establishment to be acceptable.To inform the public of the perils of the Jihadists' doctrine is politically incorrect.

So here is their formula: Muslims try to kill or subvert non-Muslims through treason, while the infidels avoid naming the doctrine and the theology from which Muslims' worldview emanates. By these means, non-Muslims permit radical Muslims to carry their agenda into the advanced stage of coercing us to capitulate.

The so called "progressives" and proponents of interfaith dialogue in the media, in academia, and in our government cannot accept that in Islam's supremacist ideology, there is no moral relativism. They cannot accept that when it comes to Islam, multiculturalism is a one-way street that serves Islam -- and the interests of Islam alone. There is no inclusion of other "ways," or cultures supported in the Quran. Even to allow or accommodate other viewpoints can cost a Muslim his or her life.

Under freedom of expression, Muslims, like any other group, have the right to criticize others. But where is the line drawn between freedom of expression and an act of sedition? Where is the acknowledgment that Islam teaches that Sharia Law supersedes all other laws - including the U.S. Constitution?

Here in the U.S., we are not learning a single lesson from the Islamization of Europe: as of now, we are moving in the same direction by the same "Stealth" tactics being used all over Europe -- infiltration into the highest levels of government; indoctrination of the public through misinformation; double standards provided by media outlets; intimidation, and threats, both veiled and public.

Thomas Mann, a German writer once said: "Tolerance is a crime when applied to evil." At the time, Mr. Mann was referring to the rise of Nazism in Germany. His statement is a wake-up call to us today, it speaks the truth. We must have the courage and commitment to act against these encroachments if freedom is to survive.

Dr. Wafa Sultan is a Syrian-certified psychiatrist and author of the book, "The God That Hates."

 

[CurveLight]

My research showed both. I was thinking God Father when I researched it. The link shows Sun-Tzu being the original author.

Sun-tzu Quotes - The Quotations Page

That's because you don't know how to research an issue....which explains a lot of your positions. (Hint: try to find the quote published anywhere prior to 1974)

Well curveball. We have already determined 3 sources

1. The Godfather Reference, which was my starting point.

2. Sun-Tzu, which it is attributed to.

3. An Arabian Proverb.

Got any better links????? Put up or shut up. Got nothing better to argue about??? Don't sweat it. You will always be my favorite turd.

Quote it directly from the Art of War you dumbfuck.

Eta: the GF was not your starting point you slimy weasel. You first tried to claim it was from Sun-Tzu.

 

[Intense]

That's because you don't know how to research an issue....which explains a lot of your positions. (Hint: try to find the quote published anywhere prior to 1974)

Well curveball. We have already determined 3 sources

1. The Godfather Reference, which was my starting point.

2. Sun-Tzu, which it is attributed to.

3. An Arabian Proverb.

Got any better links????? Put up or shut up. Got nothing better to argue about??? Don't sweat it. You will always be my favorite turd.

Quote it directly from the Art of War you dumbfuck.

Eta: the GF was not your starting point you slimy weasel. You first tried to claim it was from Sun-Tzu.

CL, Promise that you will try not to piss yourself or have an aneurysm, over this. I'm not available. I'm not into men in that way. Move on. Even Salam get's it, I know it's too much to expect of you. When you google the Quote there are 3 main references. The most popular is the Godfather movie reference quote. That is a place we all remember it from. I'm half Italian, half Sicilian, with a touch of French. The movie has significant meaning to me. When I went in search of a link, to my surprise, google showed Sun-Tzu as the accredited source. I admit I was shocked, but after I got over the trauma, I used that link as my reference. Kalam rightly questioned the origin. Unbeknown to me, he had a valid point. Even Google is confused Curveball!!! They even show a third possible origin. Imagine that!!! Something that google doesn't have a firm answer to!!! Who would have known. Promise not to come in your pants now. The third reference, that none of us had any clue to....wait for it now.... was The third theory of origin was that it was an Arabian Proverb!!! Go clean yourself up.

 

[Intense]

Curve, the stuff you get obsessed with is pretty silly sometimes. What's the point?

 

[CurveLight]

Well curveball. We have already determined 3 sources

1. The Godfather Reference, which was my starting point.

2. Sun-Tzu, which it is attributed to.

3. An Arabian Proverb.

Got any better links????? Put up or shut up. Got nothing better to argue about??? Don't sweat it. You will always be my favorite turd.

Quote it directly from the Art of War you dumbfuck.

Eta: the GF was not your starting point you slimy weasel. You first tried to claim it was from Sun-Tzu.

CL, Promise that you will try not to piss yourself or have an aneurysm, over this. I'm not available. I'm not into men in that way. Move on. Even Salam get's it, I know it's too much to expect of you. When you google the Quote there are 3 main references. The most popular is the Godfather movie reference quote. That is a place we all remember it from. I'm half Italian, half Sicilian, with a touch of French. The movie has significant meaning to me. When I went in search of a link, to my surprise, google showed Sun-Tzu as the accredited source. I admit I was shocked, but after I got over the trauma, I used that link as my reference. Kalam rightly questioned the origin. Unbeknown to me, he had a valid point. Even Google is confused Curveball!!! They even show a third possible origin. Imagine that!!! Something that google doesn't have a firm answer to!!! Who would have known. Promise not to come in your pants now. The third reference, that none of us had any clue to....wait for it now.... was The third theory of origin was that it was an Arabian Proverb!!! Go clean yourself up.

"Google is confused"

You are one stoopid fuck. There are not "three sources" because of google results you idiot. Quote it directly from the Art of War or retract your claim it came from Sun-Tzu.

 

[Sky Dancer]

I have no objection to this mosque being built.

Muslim Americans died at 9/11. Islam is a religion practiced in America. Something positive ought to come from 9/11. I'd prefer a multi-faith shrine for 9/11 rather than a mosque because I think inclusiveness and not exclusiveness is what is needed to heal our world.

"I've always said we should help a Hindu become a better Hindu, a Muslim become a better Muslim, a Buddhist become a better Buddhist and a Christian become a better Christian." - Mother Teresa

 

[CurveLight]

I have no objection to this mosque being built.

Muslim Americans died at 9/11. Islam is a religion practiced in America. Something positive ought to come from 9/11. I'd prefer a multi-faith shrine for 9/11 rather than a mosque because I think inclusiveness and not exclusiveness is what is needed to heal our world.

"I've always said we should help a Hindu become a better Hindu, a Muslim become a better Muslim, a Buddhist become a better Buddhist and a Christian become a better Christian." - Mother Teresa

The center will be open to the public.

 

[Sky Dancer]

I have no objection to this mosque being built.

Muslim Americans died at 9/11. Islam is a religion practiced in America. Something positive ought to come from 9/11. I'd prefer a multi-faith shrine for 9/11 rather than a mosque because I think inclusiveness and not exclusiveness is what is needed to heal our world.

"I've always said we should help a Hindu become a better Hindu, a Muslim become a better Muslim, a Buddhist become a better Buddhist and a Christian become a better Christian." - Mother Teresa

The center will be open to the public.

Would you prefer it be closed to the public????

"Like the bee gathering honey from the different flowers, the wise person accepts the essence of the different scriptures and sees only the good in all religions." - Mahatma Gandhi

 

[CurveLight]

I have no objection to this mosque being built.

Muslim Americans died at 9/11. Islam is a religion practiced in America. Something positive ought to come from 9/11. I'd prefer a multi-faith shrine for 9/11 rather than a mosque because I think inclusiveness and not exclusiveness is what is needed to heal our world.

"I've always said we should help a Hindu become a better Hindu, a Muslim become a better Muslim, a Buddhist become a better Buddhist and a Christian become a better Christian." - Mother Teresa

The center will be open to the public.

Would you prefer it be closed to the public????

"Like the bee gathering honey from the different flowers, the wise person accepts the essence of the different scriptures and sees only the good in all religions." - Mahatma Gandhi

I was pointing out it is inclusive by being open to the public and this doesn't preclude a multi-faith shrine to 9E but thanks for showing you know how to provide cheesy quotes.