Protests in Syria

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Turkey, Qatar and Libya are supporting Al Quaeda but using American money. .

Actually, most financing comes from Qatar. US is conducting the whole thing...

 

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Even BBC no longer can conceal the actions of "freedom fighters" in Syria:

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opposition conducts public executions of CIVILIANS in Aleppo

 

[RoccoR]

Katzndogz, et al,

Who says this?

There is little doubt that the US is actively aiding Al Quaeda in Syria just as the US aided Al Quaeda in Libya and in Egypt.

We have officially become the bad guys.

(COMMENT)

The US, along with Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey are openly providing monetary and/or material support to Syrian anti-Government rebels. But, while al-Qaeda wants to play a role in the liberation of Syria, the loose knit coalition of US/SA/TR/QA with the Syrian Rebels be put at grave risk if al-Qaeda was involved in any way.

The US, most certainly, would not establish such a link.

What could possibly make you think this?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[mememe]

Katzndogz, et al,

Who says this?

There is little doubt that the US is actively aiding Al Quaeda in Syria just as the US aided Al Quaeda in Libya and in Egypt.

We have officially become the bad guys.

(COMMENT)

The US, along with Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey are openly providing monetary and/or material support to Syrian anti-Government rebels. But, while al-Qaeda wants to play a role in the liberation of Syria, the loose knit coalition of US/SA/TR/QA with the Syrian Rebels be put at grave risk if al-Qaeda was involved in any way.

The US, most certainly, would not establish such a link.

What could possibly make you think this?

Most Respectfully,
R

"Al-Q" begun as a figment of CIA imagination. Over the decades the most radical Islamists were refered to as "Al-Q" in the West. Even now, Al-Q is not a solid organisation with one center, etc. -- it's a reference to loosely connected extreme Islamic movements.

US was supporting such extremists since it realised it can use their destructive power to create what is known as "managed chaos" in target countries allowing US to move in or simply "catch fish in murky waters"...

Close to our time: US not only supported Kosovo Liberation Army (a terrorist organisation even by US book!), US also provided passage for Taliban and Arab Al-Q to Balkans to fight Serbia;
US supports (still!) Islamic terrorists in Northern Caucasus (Western media usualy refers to them as "Chechens"), they had direct contact with Arabic Al-Q and OBL;
US/NATO fought alongside Al-Q in Libya;
and now, among supported, armed, trained, financed, directed by the US Syrian "freedom fighters" are not only Al-Q militants, but many of them came from controlled and supported by the US "democratic" Libya!

 

[High_Gravity]

Syrian Rebels Wield Heavy Weapons in Attack on Airport

BEIRUT, Lebanon — Syria’s rebels shelled an airport near Aleppo on Thursday in what was described as one of the first known instances of insurgents using captured heavy weapons, as opposition activists warned that fighting for the city, the country’s main commercial center, would likely intensify.

A Syrian activist said President Bashar al-Assad’s army appeared to be preparing for an all-out assault.

“We have seen military reinforcements making their way to Aleppo,” said Abou Firas, an activist in Aleppo using a satellite Internet connection because telephone and Internet service from the city was cut off. “We were worried about massacres but now we are issuing a warning about a war of extermination to be launched by the regime.”

The news about the government reinforcements could not be independently confirmed because of restrictions on reporters. It came after the battle for Aleppo intensified on Wednesday when United Nations observers there reported that Syrian jets had fired rockets into contested neighborhoods and that rebels had commandeered tanks and other heavy weapons.

The opposition Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, based in Britain, said the rebels had put the captured armor to use, shelling a military airport near Aleppo.

A video forwarded by Mr. Firas, purportedly from a highway between Aleppo and the coast, showed a convoy of nearly a dozen tanks, gas tankers, and several pick-up trucks carrying armed soldiers.

It was not clear when the video was shot, but before earlier ground assaults, the Syrian government has cut off communication in what appears to be an effort to keep rebels -- who have become extremely savvy with YouTube videos and Skype -- from broadcasting the army’s attacks.

By Thursday afternoon in Syria, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said the Internet was coming back online gradually. Clashes continued, especially in the southwest of Aleppo, where rebels and Syrian troops have been engaged in a bitter battle for control.

Some reports from Turkey also suggested that government forces were trying to cut rebel supply lines, with fighting raging in a rebel-held town near the Turkish border.

On Wednesday, hours after President Assad urged his forces to step up the fight, opposition leaders said they had found dozens of bodies in a suburb of Damascus in the aftermath of the Syrian Army’s house-to-house search for rebel fighters and activists. This claim of a new massacre came as the rebels faced severe criticism themselves for what appeared to be their brutal summary execution, one day earlier, of suspected pro-government gunmen on the streets of Aleppo, recorded and uploaded on the Internet.

Videos purported to have been taken in the Damascus suburb, Jdeidet Artouz, showed bodies lined up under bloodstained sheets, as a narrator gave an estimated count that continued rising: 37, 42, and then even more.

“I counted 52 bodies,” said Abu Abdullah, a resident who said he had helped move the dead to a local mosque before burial. “I’m really shocked. Why here?”

The bodies were found near an area where rebels said fighting had flared in the past week. But analysts said the bodies appearing outside Damascus in a town also filled with refugees — along with reports of renewed fighting in the capital and an escalation of combat in Aleppo, Syria’s largest metropolis and commercial center — all suggested that the 17-month-old conflict was becoming increasingly intense and bitter, with more front lines and more bloodshed.

“It’s a rapid escalation,” said Andrew J. Tabler, a senior fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. “Once you start using fixed-wing aircraft and you have a city under full revolt, it’s clear that the Assad regime is not going to stop and is not breaking. We’re entering a new phase of this conflict.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/03/w...tensifies-in-battle-for-aleppo.html?ref=world

 

[High_Gravity]

If the US wasn't supporting terrorists from other countries, it would have been over with by now.

Hard to say, don't forget the weapons, training and aid coming to the rebels from Turkey, Iraq, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Libya. If we were giving the rebels any real support Assads body would have been swinging from a light pole in Damascus months ago.

1. Without US none of the countries mentioned by you would've done a thing. US stands behind war on Syria, as it stood behind war in Libya.

2. US can not openly go into Syria as it did in Yugoslavia, Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq or even Libya for a few reasons: coming elections need a report about decisive victory,and Syria is not an easy target; it looks like Russia and China realised they will be next and muddle US plans; people are getting a bit tired of the same scenario of US "humanitarian" invasions; another war without immediate dividends felt by the general populations of the countries-aggressors in a climate of deepening economic crisis will be very unpopular; US Middle Eastern allies are on a verge of their own "spring" of sorts and SA is aware it was penciled down for partitioning by US and Israel as far back as 2006; etc.

Under the circumstances, US took course on bleeding Syria by constant attacks by international terrorist groups trained and directed by US, UK, Turkey (I don't know about involvement of Israeli "instructors"); these attacks produce a feeling of instability which exacerbates delicate balance of numerous ethnic and religious groups within Syria, at some point US hopes to turn it into a civil war; EU sanctions do not help economic climate making life of ORDINARY Syrians difficult -- again, US hopes to get economic situation to a point when people will turn against their government...

If all what you are saying is true the United States is truly the most powerful country in the world.

 

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If all what you are saying is true the United States is truly the most powerful country in the world.

Yes, it is. Only four countries are currently outside of the US empire and thus are independent from US.

 

[High_Gravity]

Kofi Annan Leaving Post As Special Envoy To Syria

GENEVA - Kofi Annan said Thursday he will quit his high-profile role as special envoy to Syria at the end of the month, delivering blistering criticism of world powers' failure to unite to stop the country's escalating violence.

Annan told reporters that when he accepted the job, "which some called 'Mission Impossible'" — he wanted to help the international community, led by the U.N. Security Council, find a peaceful solution to the crisis. The goal was to stop the killings of civilians and human rights abuses, as well as to place Syria on a path toward political transition.

"The severity of the humanitarian costs of the conflict, and the exceptional threats posed by this crisis to international peace and security, justified the attempts to secure a peaceful transition to a political settlement, however daunting the challenge," Annan said.

But the former U.N. secretary-general told reporters that he cannot go on when the New York-based, 15-nation Security Council doesn't back his role, particularly because of the standoff between its five veto-wielding members: Russia and China on one side, the United States, Britain and France on the other.

"Things fell apart in New York," he summed up. "The increasing militarization on the ground (in Syria) and the clear lack of unity in the Security Council have fundamentally changed the circumstances for the effective exercise of my role."

Annan was named the U.N.-Arab League envoy to Syria in February, overseeing a small staff in a secretive office in the sprawling Palais des Nations, the U.N.'s European headquarters in Geneva. He came up with a six-point peace plan to resolve the crisis in the Arab state, including a cease-fire that was supposed to take effect in mid-April.

But, despite the presence of hundreds of U.N. observers on the ground, the cease-fire never took hold and the violence in Syria has morphed into a civil war. Rights activists say that more than 19,000 people have died since the popular uprising against Syrian President Bashar Assad began in March 2011.

"The bloodshed continues, most of all because of the Syrian government's intransigence, and continuing refusal to implement the six-point plan, and also because of the escalating military campaign of the opposition — all of which is compounded by the disunity of the international community," Annan told reporters in Geneva.

"At a time when we need — when the Syrian people desperately need action — there continues to be finger-pointing and name-calling in the Security Council."

Kofi Annan Leaving Post As Special Envoy To Syria

 

[High_Gravity]

Syria Conflict: Mortars HIt Palestinian Refugee Camp In Damascus, At Least 21

BEIRUT — Mortars rained down on a crowded marketplace in a Palestinian refugee camp in the Syrian capital, killing 21 people as regime forces and rebels clashed on the southern outskirts of Damascus, activists said Friday.

The Britain-based Syria Observatory for Human Rights, which reported the deaths, said the shells hit Yarmouk camp Thursday as shoppers were buying food for the evening meal. The activists with the group would not speculate on who was firing.

"We don't know where the mortars came from, whether they were from the Syrian regime or not the Syrian regime," said Rami Abdul Rahman, director of the Observatory. He added they could also have been strays from the fighting in nearby Tadamon neighborhood.

The state news agency blamed the bombardment on "terrorist mercenaries" – a term the government uses for rebel fighters – and said they had been chased away by security forces.

An online video of the immediate aftermath of the Yarmouk attack showed bleeding and burnt bodies with people rushing about amid the smoke and the sounds of screaming.

Government troops, however, have in the past attacked the camp, home to nearly 150,000 Palestinians and their descendants driven from their homes by the war surrounding Israel's 1948 creation. Palestinian refugees in Syria have tried to stay out of the 17-month old uprising but with Yarmouk nestled among neighborhoods sympathetic to the rebels, its residents were eventually drawn into the fighting.

Yarmouk's younger inhabitants have also been moved by the Arab Spring's calls for greater freedoms and have joined protests against President Bashar Assad's regime_ and have died during demonstrations when Syrian troops fired on them.

Just before the Thursday evening mortar attack, camp residents had demonstrated against the government, chanting slogans against Assad and praising the opposition Free Syrian Army, according to online videos. The content of the videos could not be independently verified.

With the civil war in Syria getting increasingly vicious, chances for a diplomatic solution to the conflict were fading after the resignation Thursday of Kofi Annan, the U.N.-Arab League envoy to Syria. Annan cited divisions within the Security Council preventing a united approach to stop the fighting.

Syria's ally Iran, blamed the U.S. and its allies for Annan's resignation, saying it was their insistence on Assad's removal from power that had undermined the six point U.N. peace plan, which was never implemented.

Syria Conflict: Mortars HIt Palestinian Refugee Camp In Damascus, At Least 21

 

[High_Gravity]

Why the U.S. Isn’t Arming Syria’s Opposition – Yet

If there was a sliding scale for American involvement in foreign conflicts, after 16 months of violence in Syria, the U.S. might just have reached the quarter mark between zero involvement and full-fledged war. “We’re moving at some sort of glacial pace” towards armed intervention, says Jeff White, a former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency who’s currently a fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. “First, you go in and assess the people you might want to work with… It seems to me that we’ve gotten through the assessing process and we kind of know who we want to work with but in terms of providing lethal assistance, we’re not there yet.”

Up until this point the only thing the U.S. has owned up to is providing humanitarian assistance and communications equipment. But a report from Reuter’s Mark Hosenball this week revealed that President Obama signed a secret order authorizing intelligence and covert support to groups seeking to oust Syrian strongman Bashar Assad. That so-called “finding” was only approved within the last month, sources say, and does not include lethal support. In other words, the U.S. won’t be sending in Seal Team Six to take down Assad any time soon, but it is training certain groups to handle and gather intelligence. White House spokesman Tommy Vietor had no comment on the matter.

The Free Syrian Army has long sought from the U.S. intelligence instead of arms, which they’re getting in abundance from Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates. Though he couldn’t confirm that the FSA is now getting intelligence assistance, Brian Sayers, the FSA’s lobbyist in Washington, says that he’s focused on a broader spectrum of support. The FSA is working to register as a 501(c)3 non-profit so it can raise money and it’s pushing for gas masks in case Assad uses his stockpiles of chemical weapons. “If the U.S. was to relax the export license that would be wonderful because the U.S. has some very sophisticated weapons that could take out helicopters,” Sayers says. “But that’s not happening at this stage.”

The question of whether or not to arm the opposition occupied Senators from both sides of the aisle Wednesday in a hearing on the future of Syria. Though the three witnesses came from different experiential and ideological backgrounds, their conclusion was the same: the U.S. should long ago have started arming the Syrian rebels. “If we don’t do that very rapidly I fear that not only will we be losing some of the texture of what’s going on,” Andrew Tabler, author of In the Lion’s Den: An Eyewitness Account of Washington’s Battle with Syria, told the committee,” but we’ll be allowing others to forge those relationships, sometimes our allies but also our enemies.”

There are huge risks in arming the FSA. Some weapons could wind up in the hands of al-Qaeda, whose presence in Syria is growing as the war drags on. And the weapons would almost certainly be used by some Sunnis – 70% of Syrians are Sunni, and the FSA is largely Sunni as well — to slaughter Alawites, the minority Shia sect that has ruled Syria for more than 40 years. But former Ambassador Martin Indyk argued to the committee that the good would outweigh the bad. “As a general principal I think we need to be careful of not falling into the trap of Jihadist boogey men. As our former allies like [former Egyptian President Hosni] Mubarak used to use them to convince us not to do the right thing,” he said. “In order to shape the outcome in Syria we have to be involved in what’s going on on the ground.”

Read more: Why the U.S. Isn

 

[Katzndogz]

Syria Conflict: Mortars HIt Palestinian Refugee Camp In Damascus, At Least 21

BEIRUT — Mortars rained down on a crowded marketplace in a Palestinian refugee camp in the Syrian capital, killing 21 people as regime forces and rebels clashed on the southern outskirts of Damascus, activists said Friday.

The Britain-based Syria Observatory for Human Rights, which reported the deaths, said the shells hit Yarmouk camp Thursday as shoppers were buying food for the evening meal. The activists with the group would not speculate on who was firing.

"We don't know where the mortars came from, whether they were from the Syrian regime or not the Syrian regime," said Rami Abdul Rahman, director of the Observatory. He added they could also have been strays from the fighting in nearby Tadamon neighborhood.

The state news agency blamed the bombardment on "terrorist mercenaries" – a term the government uses for rebel fighters – and said they had been chased away by security forces.

An online video of the immediate aftermath of the Yarmouk attack showed bleeding and burnt bodies with people rushing about amid the smoke and the sounds of screaming.

Government troops, however, have in the past attacked the camp, home to nearly 150,000 Palestinians and their descendants driven from their homes by the war surrounding Israel's 1948 creation. Palestinian refugees in Syria have tried to stay out of the 17-month old uprising but with Yarmouk nestled among neighborhoods sympathetic to the rebels, its residents were eventually drawn into the fighting.

Yarmouk's younger inhabitants have also been moved by the Arab Spring's calls for greater freedoms and have joined protests against President Bashar Assad's regime_ and have died during demonstrations when Syrian troops fired on them.

Just before the Thursday evening mortar attack, camp residents had demonstrated against the government, chanting slogans against Assad and praising the opposition Free Syrian Army, according to online videos. The content of the videos could not be independently verified.

With the civil war in Syria getting increasingly vicious, chances for a diplomatic solution to the conflict were fading after the resignation Thursday of Kofi Annan, the U.N.-Arab League envoy to Syria. Annan cited divisions within the Security Council preventing a united approach to stop the fighting.

Syria's ally Iran, blamed the U.S. and its allies for Annan's resignation, saying it was their insistence on Assad's removal from power that had undermined the six point U.N. peace plan, which was never implemented.

Syria Conflict: Mortars HIt Palestinian Refugee Camp In Damascus, At Least 21

See! It'a not all bad news! Every cloud has a silver lining.

Do you know why there is a palestinian refugee camp in Syria in the first place? It's been there since the 60s.

Not even the Syrians would let palestinians into their country.

 

[High_Gravity]

Syria Conflict: Mortars HIt Palestinian Refugee Camp In Damascus, At Least 21

BEIRUT — Mortars rained down on a crowded marketplace in a Palestinian refugee camp in the Syrian capital, killing 21 people as regime forces and rebels clashed on the southern outskirts of Damascus, activists said Friday.

The Britain-based Syria Observatory for Human Rights, which reported the deaths, said the shells hit Yarmouk camp Thursday as shoppers were buying food for the evening meal. The activists with the group would not speculate on who was firing.

"We don't know where the mortars came from, whether they were from the Syrian regime or not the Syrian regime," said Rami Abdul Rahman, director of the Observatory. He added they could also have been strays from the fighting in nearby Tadamon neighborhood.

The state news agency blamed the bombardment on "terrorist mercenaries" – a term the government uses for rebel fighters – and said they had been chased away by security forces.

An online video of the immediate aftermath of the Yarmouk attack showed bleeding and burnt bodies with people rushing about amid the smoke and the sounds of screaming.

Government troops, however, have in the past attacked the camp, home to nearly 150,000 Palestinians and their descendants driven from their homes by the war surrounding Israel's 1948 creation. Palestinian refugees in Syria have tried to stay out of the 17-month old uprising but with Yarmouk nestled among neighborhoods sympathetic to the rebels, its residents were eventually drawn into the fighting.

Yarmouk's younger inhabitants have also been moved by the Arab Spring's calls for greater freedoms and have joined protests against President Bashar Assad's regime_ and have died during demonstrations when Syrian troops fired on them.

Just before the Thursday evening mortar attack, camp residents had demonstrated against the government, chanting slogans against Assad and praising the opposition Free Syrian Army, according to online videos. The content of the videos could not be independently verified.

With the civil war in Syria getting increasingly vicious, chances for a diplomatic solution to the conflict were fading after the resignation Thursday of Kofi Annan, the U.N.-Arab League envoy to Syria. Annan cited divisions within the Security Council preventing a united approach to stop the fighting.

Syria's ally Iran, blamed the U.S. and its allies for Annan's resignation, saying it was their insistence on Assad's removal from power that had undermined the six point U.N. peace plan, which was never implemented.

Syria Conflict: Mortars HIt Palestinian Refugee Camp In Damascus, At Least 21

See! It'a not all bad news! Every cloud has a silver lining.

Do you know why there is a palestinian refugee camp in Syria in the first place? It's been there since the 60s.

Not even the Syrians would let palestinians into their country.

There are Palestinian refugee camps in Lebanon, Egypt and Jordan too I think, even Iraq has some. They don't want the Palestinians to become citizens even though they have been living in those countries for decades.

 

[Katzndogz]

Syria Conflict: Mortars HIt Palestinian Refugee Camp In Damascus, At Least 21

Syria Conflict: Mortars HIt Palestinian Refugee Camp In Damascus, At Least 21

See! It'a not all bad news! Every cloud has a silver lining.

Do you know why there is a palestinian refugee camp in Syria in the first place? It's been there since the 60s.

Not even the Syrians would let palestinians into their country.

There are Palestinian refugee camps in Lebanon, Egypt and Jordan too I think, even Iraq has some. They don't want the Palestinians to become citizens even though they have been living in those countries for decades.

There is a reason for that. When palestinians are allowed into a country they immediately agitate against the government for an overthrow. After what palestinians did in Lebanon, no other country is going to trust them enough to let them wander around as free people

Let Lebanese, Not Palestinians, Rule Lebanon - The New York Sun

The palestinians are a people inculcated in hate from infancy. For generations. It isn't just the Jews, it's everyone. When palestinians don't have handy Jews to hate, they'll fixate on someone or something else. After so many years, they can't help themselves.

 

[High_Gravity]

See! It'a not all bad news! Every cloud has a silver lining.

Do you know why there is a palestinian refugee camp in Syria in the first place? It's been there since the 60s.

Not even the Syrians would let palestinians into their country.

There are Palestinian refugee camps in Lebanon, Egypt and Jordan too I think, even Iraq has some. They don't want the Palestinians to become citizens even though they have been living in those countries for decades.

There is a reason for that. When palestinians are allowed into a country they immediately agitate against the government for an overthrow. After what palestinians did in Lebanon, no other country is going to trust them enough to let them wander around as free people

Let Lebanese, Not Palestinians, Rule Lebanon - The New York Sun

The palestinians are a people inculcated in hate from infancy. For generations. It isn't just the Jews, it's everyone. When palestinians don't have handy Jews to hate, they'll fixate on someone or something else. After so many years, they can't help themselves.

Shoot in Kuwait before Saddam invaded the Palestinians were given free housing, medical care, jobs and schooling for their kids. When Iraq invaded the Palestinians quickly switched sides and joined with the Iraqis, when the US liberated Kuwait the Kuwaitis quickly had most of the Palestinians thrown out. They behaved very poorly towards their hosts.

 

[mememe]

Why the U.S. Isn’t Arming Syria’s Opposition – Yet

Usual lies.

US was arming "opposition" gangs since before war on Libya

Paul Craig Roberts, former assistant secretary to US Treasury: "... the Syrian and Libya affairs have American hands in them, organizing the demonstrations, providing money and so forth..."

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...lYGADQ&usg=AFQjCNHuvmSkjlsmmq3RcnKxeXh5TWEZ3w

 

[High_Gravity]

Why the U.S. Isn’t Arming Syria’s Opposition – Yet

Usual lies.

US was arming "opposition" gangs since before war on Libya

Paul Craig Roberts, former assistant secretary to US Treasury: "... the Syrian and Libya affairs have American hands in them, organizing the demonstrations, providing money and so forth..."

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...lYGADQ&usg=AFQjCNHuvmSkjlsmmq3RcnKxeXh5TWEZ3w

The US is the strongest country in the world.

 

[mememe]

The US is the strongest country in the world.

Brute force and ignorance. Look where it led the US: no freedoms, economic ruin, intellectual impotency, but the most powerful and rich elite.

 

[High_Gravity]

The US is the strongest country in the world.

Brute force and ignorance. Look where it led the US: no freedoms, economic ruin, intellectual impotency, but the most powerful and rich elite.

 

[mememe]

Sums it up, really: US office plankton society!

 

[High_Gravity]

Sums it up, really: US office plankton society!

Not really, just that your posts are dull and boring as shit.