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What evidence is there that the kids in districts that do well on these tests actually UNDERSTAND much?
I see someone playing with the thread title, what you got nothing better to do...
Throw all of these standardized tests out the fucking window. The feds have no business being involved in public education. It has generally been and should remain a local matter.
Throw all of these standardized tests out the fucking window. The feds have no business being involved in public education. It has generally been and should remain a local matter.
And the dumb states get dumber.
Loving and Hating America
October 22, 2013 By Walter Williams
As I’ve documented in the past, many leftist teachers teach our youngsters to hate our country. For example, University of Hawaii Professor Haunani-Kay Trask counseled her students, “We need to think very, very clearly about who the enemy is. The enemy is the United States of America and everyone who supports it.” Some universities hire former terrorists to teach and indoctrinate students. Kathy Boudin, former Weather Underground member and convicted murderer, is on the Columbia University School of Social Work’s faculty. Her Weather Underground comrade William Ayers teaches at the University of Illinois at Chicago. Bernardine Dohrn, his wife, is a professor at Northwestern University School of Law. Her stated mission is to overthrow capitalism.
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I’m wondering how the hate-America/blame-America-first crowd might explain the fact that so many people in the world, if they had a chance, would permanently relocate here. Maybe it’s that they haven’t been exposed to enough U.S. university professors.
Loving and Hating America | FrontPage Magazine
Loving and Hating America
October 22, 2013 By Walter Williams
As Ive documented in the past, many leftist teachers teach our youngsters to hate our country. For example, University of Hawaii Professor Haunani-Kay Trask counseled her students, We need to think very, very clearly about who the enemy is. The enemy is the United States of America and everyone who supports it. Some universities hire former terrorists to teach and indoctrinate students. Kathy Boudin, former Weather Underground member and convicted murderer, is on the Columbia University School of Social Works faculty. Her Weather Underground comrade William Ayers teaches at the University of Illinois at Chicago. Bernardine Dohrn, his wife, is a professor at Northwestern University School of Law. Her stated mission is to overthrow capitalism.
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Im wondering how the hate-America/blame-America-first crowd might explain the fact that so many people in the world, if they had a chance, would permanently relocate here. Maybe its that they havent been exposed to enough U.S. university professors.
Loving and Hating America | FrontPage Magazine
I think you may be giving much more credability to these professor's influance over university students than the actually have: Like every population, Professors have their attention whores. The vast majority of students recognize this, as well as the fact they will need a job after graduation.
American Jihad, it seems as though you are against indoctrination, against flooding someone's consciousness with ideas that have a goal, an agenda, that are biased in favor of one perspective. But, in reading all your posts on this thread, it seems to me that is exactly what you are doing.
All of your posts are flagrantly didactic epistles meant to sway the readers' opinion against those who teach in American schools and American schools themselves, and, as well, to convince the reader that schools and teachers are all liberal with a liberal agenda meant to indoctrinate and control the minds of the students.
However, nothing we will find in any educational facility is any stronger, if indeed it is as strong, or more strongly worded or intensely didactic, than your own posts, which very obviously have their own agenda and mean to teach a lesson, your lesson, and your perspective on the world. I think you would do well to get a PhD in some field and apply for a teaching position at one of these institutions you are so ardently against so that you may, as you say others do, teach your own agenda but on a much wider scale than you are doing here.
Then maybe you'd be happy and not so all fired up and full of anger and resentment. Youre going to develop heart disease if you dont have it already. My main point is that what you are doing in this tread is no different than what you are accusing others of doing. You too have an agenda. You too have a perspective.
It is the tradition of colleges and universities to hire teachers who are not just teachers but writers, artists, journalists, thinkers, philosophers, etc., people who have diverse ideas to share with the students. It is the tradition of higher education to teach students to think and to accept or dismiss the varied ideas of their professors.
If you and others come out of college thinking you had to quell your own ideas in order to get good grades, you missed the point. If you believe any professor based his/her evaluation of you based on you accepting or not accepting that professors position, you should have made a formal complaint instead of pretending you believed things you didnt believe. I once taught rhetoric at the college level. I had many students who wrote argumentative papers expressing positions diametrically opposed to my own personal opinions. I never based a grade on the student agreeing with me. I often, regularly, gave A grades to papers against gun control and abortion, for example, if the paper was well written. The quality of the argument and the writing were the only factors on which grades were based. Any instructor who bases a grade on a student agreeing with him needs to be reported.
Universities hire professors or speakers with what seems to you very biased or outrageous ideas because they are supposed to be opening the minds of their students, offering them new ideas, thinking outside the box ideas, a kaleidoscope of ideas for the students to ponder and accept or reject as individual thinkers.
But you dont seem to recognize you are doing what you accuse others of doing: trying to sway people to your way of seeing the world. I wanted to point that out to you. Think about it.
American Jihad, it seems as though you are against indoctrination, against flooding someone's consciousness with ideas that have a goal, an agenda, that are biased in favor of one perspective. But, in reading all your posts on this thread, it seems to me that is exactly what you are doing.
All of your posts are flagrantly didactic epistles meant to sway the readers' opinion against those who teach in American schools and American schools themselves, and, as well, to convince the reader that schools and teachers are all liberal with a liberal agenda meant to indoctrinate and control the minds of the students.
However, nothing we will find in any educational facility is any stronger, if indeed it is as strong, or more strongly worded or intensely didactic, than your own posts, which very obviously have their own agenda and mean to teach a lesson, your lesson, and your perspective on the world. I think you would do well to get a PhD in some field and apply for a teaching position at one of these institutions you are so ardently against so that you may, as you say others do, teach your own agenda but on a much wider scale than you are doing here.
Basically, to put it in simple terms you can understand, when something is over your head, you just say, "long winded liberal spiel." LOL Pathetic.
Then maybe you'd be happy and not so all fired up and full of anger and resentment. You’re going to develop heart disease if you don’t have it already. My main point is that what you are doing in this tread is no different than what you are accusing others of doing. You too have an agenda. You too have a perspective.
It is the tradition of colleges and universities to hire teachers who are not just teachers but writers, artists, journalists, thinkers, philosophers, etc., people who have diverse ideas to share with the students. It is the tradition of higher education to teach students to think and to accept or dismiss the varied ideas of their professors.
If you and others come out of college thinking you had to quell your own ideas in order to get good grades, you missed the point. If you believe any professor based his/her evaluation of you based on you accepting or not accepting that professor’s position, you should have made a formal complaint instead of pretending you believed things you didn’t believe. I once taught rhetoric at the college level. I had many students who wrote argumentative papers expressing positions diametrically opposed to my own personal opinions. I never based a grade on the student agreeing with me. I often, regularly, gave A grades to papers against gun control and abortion, for example, if the paper was well written. The quality of the argument and the writing were the only factors on which grades were based. Any instructor who bases a grade on a student agreeing with him needs to be reported.
Universities hire professors or speakers with what seems to you very biased or outrageous ideas because they are supposed to be opening the minds of their students, offering them new ideas, thinking outside the box ideas, a kaleidoscope of ideas for the students to ponder and accept or reject as individual thinkers.
But you don’t seem to recognize you are doing what you accuse others of doing: trying to sway people to your way of seeing the world. I wanted to point that out to you. Think about it.
Typical Long winded liberal spiel =
American Jihad, it seems as though you are against indoctrination, against flooding someone's consciousness with ideas that have a goal, an agenda, that are biased in favor of one perspective. But, in reading all your posts on this thread, it seems to me that is exactly what you are doing.
All of your posts are flagrantly didactic epistles meant to sway the readers' opinion against those who teach in American schools and American schools themselves, and, as well, to convince the reader that schools and teachers are all liberal with a liberal agenda meant to indoctrinate and control the minds of the students.
However, nothing we will find in any educational facility is any stronger, if indeed it is as strong, or more strongly worded or intensely didactic, than your own posts, which very obviously have their own agenda and mean to teach a lesson, your lesson, and your perspective on the world. I think you would do well to get a PhD in some field and apply for a teaching position at one of these institutions you are so ardently against so that you may, as you say others do, teach your own agenda but on a much wider scale than you are doing here.
Then maybe you'd be happy and not so all fired up and full of anger and resentment. Youre going to develop heart disease if you dont have it already. My main point is that what you are doing in this tread is no different than what you are accusing others of doing. You too have an agenda. You too have a perspective.
It is the tradition of colleges and universities to hire teachers who are not just teachers but writers, artists, journalists, thinkers, philosophers, etc., people who have diverse ideas to share with the students. It is the tradition of higher education to teach students to think and to accept or dismiss the varied ideas of their professors.
If you and others come out of college thinking you had to quell your own ideas in order to get good grades, you missed the point. If you believe any professor based his/her evaluation of you based on you accepting or not accepting that professors position, you should have made a formal complaint instead of pretending you believed things you didnt believe. I once taught rhetoric at the college level. I had many students who wrote argumentative papers expressing positions diametrically opposed to my own personal opinions. I never based a grade on the student agreeing with me. I often, regularly, gave A grades to papers against gun control and abortion, for example, if the paper was well written. The quality of the argument and the writing were the only factors on which grades were based. Any instructor who bases a grade on a student agreeing with him needs to be reported.
Universities hire professors or speakers with what seems to you very biased or outrageous ideas because they are supposed to be opening the minds of their students, offering them new ideas, thinking outside the box ideas, a kaleidoscope of ideas for the students to ponder and accept or reject as individual thinkers.
But you dont seem to recognize you are doing what you accuse others of doing: trying to sway people to your way of seeing the world. I wanted to point that out to you. Think about it.
Typical Long winded liberal spiel =
Your response indicates your intellectual level, which is obviously not one able to access the content and focus of the American education system. You are obviously a very simple minded person and cannot think in complex terms at all. Obviously not one to judge how education and learning works in America, or anywhere. Unable to understand anything beyond what you can fathom from the simple minded, single minded universe in which you live.
