Question about Ted Cruz

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yeah, Grayson is a corrupt asshole, but where is he standing up for the Constitution?

Grayson is certainly not corrupt. The Constitution says only natural born citizens can run for POTUS.....Oh Canada [Cruz] isn't one of them.

Grayson is certainly not corrupt.

Stop it. You're killing me. ROFLMAO!!!

The Constitution says only natural born citizens can run for POTUS

Why do you feel birth location is a disqualifier for a natural born citizen?

because the Constitution says so. Why did anyone care about Obama's birthplace if it didnt matter? HIs mother was a US citizen too.

For about the fourth time, because Obama's mother didn't meet the residency requirements to convey citizenship to him if he was born outside the US.

BS, thats the first time I ever heard of that. She grew up in america how could she not meet residency requirements.

You'd have to look at the residency requirements when he was born.
But you'd probably ignore them, like you did the Constitution.

 

[dcraelin]

because the Constitution says so. Why did anyone care about Obama's birthplace if it didnt matter? HIs mother was a US citizen too.

because the Constitution says so.

Why don't you post the portion you feel makes your point?

someone must have above

but here it is again "
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

Hmmmm.....that's weird. It doesn't mention birth location.

common sense should tell you that that means someone born on US soil.

AGAIN, Why did anyone care about Obama's birthplace if it didnt matter? HIs mother was a US citizen too

No, simple-mindedness says that. Common sense tells you that the US isn't going to deny itself citizens simply because their citizen parents happened to be traveling abroad at the time of birth. I don't believe any industrialized nation does so.

it isnt denying citizens , its denying presidential candidates

 

[Cecilie1200]

Yeah, Grayson is a corrupt asshole, but where is he standing up for the Constitution?

Grayson is certainly not corrupt. The Constitution says only natural born citizens can run for POTUS.....Oh Canada [Cruz] isn't one of them.

Grayson is certainly not corrupt.

Stop it. You're killing me. ROFLMAO!!!

The Constitution says only natural born citizens can run for POTUS

Why do you feel birth location is a disqualifier for a natural born citizen?

because the Constitution says so. Why did anyone care about Obama's birthplace if it didnt matter? HIs mother was a US citizen too.

For about the fourth time, because Obama's mother didn't meet the residency requirements to convey citizenship to him if he was born outside the US.

BS, thats the first time I ever heard of that. She grew up in america how could she not meet residency requirements.

Because "growing up in America" isn't part of the residency requirements. Am I going to quote the law for you again? What do you think?

You're connected to the Internet, dimwit, and it's good for more than just porn. Go look up the requirements for conveying citizenship at birth for a child born abroad. Or just scroll back to the LAST time it was cited to you.

I'm not getting paid to teach a class in Civics for Idiots. And if I was, I'd demand double-pay for having a moron like you in class.

 

[Cecilie1200]

because the Constitution says so.

Why don't you post the portion you feel makes your point?

someone must have above

but here it is again "
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

Hmmmm.....that's weird. It doesn't mention birth location.

common sense should tell you that that means someone born on US soil.

AGAIN, Why did anyone care about Obama's birthplace if it didnt matter? HIs mother was a US citizen too

No, simple-mindedness says that. Common sense tells you that the US isn't going to deny itself citizens simply because their citizen parents happened to be traveling abroad at the time of birth. I don't believe any industrialized nation does so.

it isnt denying citizens , its denying presidential candidates

Being obtuse is not an argument or a debate tactic. You are insisting that "common sense" requires that the US not extend citizenship to the children of its citizens when they're born abroad, which would deny the US those citizens.

Now that I've explained a very simple sentence to you in excruciatingly dumbed-down terms, do you understand what was said, or do I need to break out the Crayolas, diagram the sentence, and illustrate it with cartoon figures for you to comprehend?

 

[dcraelin]

Harvard Law Review Forum
On the Meaning of “Natural Born Citizen”

[SNIP]There are plenty of serious issues to debate in the upcoming presidential election cycle. The less time spent dealing with specious objections to candidate eligibility, the better. Fortunately, the Constitution is refreshingly clear on these eligibility issues. To serve, an individual must be at least thirty-five years old and a “natural born Citizen.” Thirty-four and a half is not enough and, for better or worse, a naturalized citizen cannot serve. But as Congress has recognized since the Founding, a person born abroad to a U.S. citizen parent is generally a U.S. citizen from birth with no need for naturalization. And the phrase “natural born Citizen” in the Constitution encompasses all such citizens from birth. Thus, an individual born to a U.S. citizen parent — whether in California or Canada or the Canal Zone( Anyone remember that idiot Republican candidate Juan McLame?) — is a U.S. citizen from birth and is fully eligible to serve as President if the people so choose.[/SNIP]

Argue AGAINST the Harvard Law Review... that bastion of LIBERAL thought process!

On the Meaning of “Natural Born Citizen”

too many words...can you just post a meme?

the fact that the above drivel from the Harvard law review has to use "generally" shows its true colors.
Congress could not change presidential eligibility whether it wanted to or not.

Congress clarified the Constitution since 8 of the first Presidents were not US citizens when they were born, or was their mother or father.

no, the Constitution had a grandfather clause so to speak so that the first presidents didnt need to follow the rule.

Congress has no power to "clarify" no matter how much they may have wanted to. The Constitution would have to be amended....and it hasn't been in this regard.

ALL of Congress's power is clarification. Congress makes lesser laws to set the specifications for the broader guidelines of the Constitution.

The Constitution requires "No illegal searches and seizures". Congress passes laws defining what is and isn't a legal search and seizure.

The Constitution requires "Due process of law". Congress passes laws defining what is and isn't due process of law.

The Constitution requires "natural-born citizen". Congress passes laws defining what is and isn't a natural-born citizen.

"illegal" implies reference to other laws. so does "due process of LAW" natural born citizen indicates the FUCKING NATURAL PROCESS OF BIRTHING A KID!!!!

 

[Cecilie1200]

too many words...can you just post a meme?

the fact that the above drivel from the Harvard law review has to use "generally" shows its true colors.
Congress could not change presidential eligibility whether it wanted to or not.

Congress clarified the Constitution since 8 of the first Presidents were not US citizens when they were born, or was their mother or father.

no, the Constitution had a grandfather clause so to speak so that the first presidents didnt need to follow the rule.

Congress has no power to "clarify" no matter how much they may have wanted to. The Constitution would have to be amended....and it hasn't been in this regard.

ALL of Congress's power is clarification. Congress makes lesser laws to set the specifications for the broader guidelines of the Constitution.

The Constitution requires "No illegal searches and seizures". Congress passes laws defining what is and isn't a legal search and seizure.

The Constitution requires "Due process of law". Congress passes laws defining what is and isn't due process of law.

The Constitution requires "natural-born citizen". Congress passes laws defining what is and isn't a natural-born citizen.

"illegal" implies reference to other laws. so does "due process of LAW" natural born citizen indicates the FUCKING NATURAL PROCESS OF BIRTHING A KID!!!!

So NOW your contention is that only people who are born by vaginal delivery can be President? No Caesarian section need apply?

 

[dcraelin]

someone must have above

but here it is again "
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

Hmmmm.....that's weird. It doesn't mention birth location.

common sense should tell you that that means someone born on US soil.

AGAIN, Why did anyone care about Obama's birthplace if it didnt matter? HIs mother was a US citizen too

Common sense tells you that a person born to a Mother who is an American citizen and meets the requirements of the US Code is an American Citizen at birth. The Obama fiasco was created because he refused to produce his birth certificate and I believe it was his Grandmother proclaimed that he was born in Kenya.

There are also questionable documents from his college days referring to his birthplace.
As long as his Mother was American, and she was, and she met the requirements of the US Code, Obama was a citizen at birth and it is apparent he was born in Hawaii.

absolutely NOT....if a child is born in another country it becomes a citizen of that country in most peoples eyes.

And why was Obama concerned then?, Why didnt he, in all that fiasco...just say it didnt matter because his mother was a citizen?.....He didnt because it does matter.

Actually, shitforbrains, HE (only illiterates refer to a human being as "it") becomes a citizen of BOTH countries in most people's eyes, because he IS a citizen of both countries.

Only fools like you are so ignorant as to think it's an either-or situation, or has to be.

the it I was referring to shit-for-brains was the out of country birth.

someone must have above

but here it is again "
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

Hmmmm.....that's weird. It doesn't mention birth location.

common sense should tell you that that means someone born on US soil.

AGAIN, Why did anyone care about Obama's birthplace if it didnt matter? HIs mother was a US citizen too

No, simple-mindedness says that. Common sense tells you that the US isn't going to deny itself citizens simply because their citizen parents happened to be traveling abroad at the time of birth. I don't believe any industrialized nation does so.

it isnt denying citizens , its denying presidential candidates

Being obtuse is not an argument or a debate tactic. You are insisting that "common sense" requires that the US not extend citizenship to the children of its citizens when they're born abroad, which would deny the US those citizens.

Now that I've explained a very simple sentence to you in excruciatingly dumbed-down terms, do you understand what was said, or do I need to break out the Crayolas, diagram the sentence, and illustrate it with cartoon figures for you to comprehend?

you are one stupid **** arent you.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Hmmmm.....that's weird. It doesn't mention birth location.

common sense should tell you that that means someone born on US soil.

AGAIN, Why did anyone care about Obama's birthplace if it didnt matter? HIs mother was a US citizen too

Common sense tells you that a person born to a Mother who is an American citizen and meets the requirements of the US Code is an American Citizen at birth. The Obama fiasco was created because he refused to produce his birth certificate and I believe it was his Grandmother proclaimed that he was born in Kenya.

There are also questionable documents from his college days referring to his birthplace.
As long as his Mother was American, and she was, and she met the requirements of the US Code, Obama was a citizen at birth and it is apparent he was born in Hawaii.

absolutely NOT....if a child is born in another country it becomes a citizen of that country in most peoples eyes.

And why was Obama concerned then?, Why didnt he, in all that fiasco...just say it didnt matter because his mother was a citizen?.....He didnt because it does matter.

Actually, shitforbrains, HE (only illiterates refer to a human being as "it") becomes a citizen of BOTH countries in most people's eyes, because he IS a citizen of both countries.

Only fools like you are so ignorant as to think it's an either-or situation, or has to be.

the it I was referring to shit-for-brains was the out of country birth.

Nice try, but you said, "If a child is born in another country, IT becomes a citizen of that country". Now, since the BIRTH can't become a citizen of ANY country, "it" clearly referred specifically to the aforementioned child.

Hmmmm.....that's weird. It doesn't mention birth location.

common sense should tell you that that means someone born on US soil.

AGAIN, Why did anyone care about Obama's birthplace if it didnt matter? HIs mother was a US citizen too

No, simple-mindedness says that. Common sense tells you that the US isn't going to deny itself citizens simply because their citizen parents happened to be traveling abroad at the time of birth. I don't believe any industrialized nation does so.

it isnt denying citizens , its denying presidential candidates

Being obtuse is not an argument or a debate tactic. You are insisting that "common sense" requires that the US not extend citizenship to the children of its citizens when they're born abroad, which would deny the US those citizens.

Now that I've explained a very simple sentence to you in excruciatingly dumbed-down terms, do you understand what was said, or do I need to break out the Crayolas, diagram the sentence, and illustrate it with cartoon figures for you to comprehend?

you are one stupid **** arent you.

In other words, "You were right and proved to everyone how stupid I am, and I'm too big a piss-brained coward to admit I fucked up, so I'm going to attack you instead."

 

[dcraelin]

common sense should tell you that that means someone born on US soil.

AGAIN, Why did anyone care about Obama's birthplace if it didnt matter? HIs mother was a US citizen too

Common sense tells you that a person born to a Mother who is an American citizen and meets the requirements of the US Code is an American Citizen at birth. The Obama fiasco was created because he refused to produce his birth certificate and I believe it was his Grandmother proclaimed that he was born in Kenya.

There are also questionable documents from his college days referring to his birthplace.
As long as his Mother was American, and she was, and she met the requirements of the US Code, Obama was a citizen at birth and it is apparent he was born in Hawaii.

absolutely NOT....if a child is born in another country it becomes a citizen of that country in most peoples eyes.

And why was Obama concerned then?, Why didnt he, in all that fiasco...just say it didnt matter because his mother was a citizen?.....He didnt because it does matter.

Actually, shitforbrains, HE (only illiterates refer to a human being as "it") becomes a citizen of BOTH countries in most people's eyes, because he IS a citizen of both countries.

Only fools like you are so ignorant as to think it's an either-or situation, or has to be.

the it I was referring to shit-for-brains was the out of country birth.

Nice try, but you said, "If a child is born in another country, IT becomes a citizen of that country". Now, since the BIRTH can't become a citizen of ANY country, "it" clearly referred specifically to the aforementioned child.

common sense should tell you that that means someone born on US soil.

AGAIN, Why did anyone care about Obama's birthplace if it didnt matter? HIs mother was a US citizen too

No, simple-mindedness says that. Common sense tells you that the US isn't going to deny itself citizens simply because their citizen parents happened to be traveling abroad at the time of birth. I don't believe any industrialized nation does so.

it isnt denying citizens , its denying presidential candidates

Being obtuse is not an argument or a debate tactic. You are insisting that "common sense" requires that the US not extend citizenship to the children of its citizens when they're born abroad, which would deny the US those citizens.

Now that I've explained a very simple sentence to you in excruciatingly dumbed-down terms, do you understand what was said, or do I need to break out the Crayolas, diagram the sentence, and illustrate it with cartoon figures for you to comprehend?

you are one stupid **** arent you.

In other words, "You were right and proved to everyone how stupid I am, and I'm too big a piss-brained coward to admit I fucked up, so I'm going to attack you instead."

oh that it, just a reference to a generic child that we dont know the sex of....but leave it to a dumb **** like yourself to throw a fit about it.

as to the last part, I suggest any reader interested page on back through the history of the posts and come to a conclusion about who attacked who first.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Common sense tells you that a person born to a Mother who is an American citizen and meets the requirements of the US Code is an American Citizen at birth. The Obama fiasco was created because he refused to produce his birth certificate and I believe it was his Grandmother proclaimed that he was born in Kenya.

There are also questionable documents from his college days referring to his birthplace.
As long as his Mother was American, and she was, and she met the requirements of the US Code, Obama was a citizen at birth and it is apparent he was born in Hawaii.

absolutely NOT....if a child is born in another country it becomes a citizen of that country in most peoples eyes.

And why was Obama concerned then?, Why didnt he, in all that fiasco...just say it didnt matter because his mother was a citizen?.....He didnt because it does matter.

Actually, shitforbrains, HE (only illiterates refer to a human being as "it") becomes a citizen of BOTH countries in most people's eyes, because he IS a citizen of both countries.

Only fools like you are so ignorant as to think it's an either-or situation, or has to be.

the it I was referring to shit-for-brains was the out of country birth.

Nice try, but you said, "If a child is born in another country, IT becomes a citizen of that country". Now, since the BIRTH can't become a citizen of ANY country, "it" clearly referred specifically to the aforementioned child.

No, simple-mindedness says that. Common sense tells you that the US isn't going to deny itself citizens simply because their citizen parents happened to be traveling abroad at the time of birth. I don't believe any industrialized nation does so.

it isnt denying citizens , its denying presidential candidates

Being obtuse is not an argument or a debate tactic. You are insisting that "common sense" requires that the US not extend citizenship to the children of its citizens when they're born abroad, which would deny the US those citizens.

Now that I've explained a very simple sentence to you in excruciatingly dumbed-down terms, do you understand what was said, or do I need to break out the Crayolas, diagram the sentence, and illustrate it with cartoon figures for you to comprehend?

you are one stupid **** arent you.

In other words, "You were right and proved to everyone how stupid I am, and I'm too big a piss-brained coward to admit I fucked up, so I'm going to attack you instead."

oh that it, just a reference to a generic child that we dont know the sex of....but leave it to a dumb **** like yourself to throw a fit about it.

as to the last part, I suggest any reader interested page on back through the history of the posts and come to a conclusion about who attacked who first.

Again, fuckstain, only illiterates refer to human beings as "it". "It" is not a "reference to a generic child we don't know the sex of". It is a reference to something that HAS no sex at all, a thing. The generic reference in English for a living creature which has a sex that is simply not known at the time is "he". Always has been.

Thank you for demonstrating that you're every bit as knowledgeable and informed about your own mother tongue as you are about Constitutional law, which is to say, you're a fucking idiot.

I also like that it took a second, explanatory post for you to even understand the conversation. Bravo.

I don't care if you attack me, I'm just pointing out that this particular instance was because you were ashamed by your mistake, and too cowardly to admit it.

 

[sealybobo]

I bet it's pretty easy to find a copy of Cruz's birth certificate. Low information radical lefties who rely on Huffington and Media Matters for information might be shocked to find that former republican presidential candidate John McCain wasn't born in the USA either.

Different! His dad was in the military. McCain was a military brat.

Let me give you a very easy couple examples of how Ted Cruz is not an American. Number one, let's say an American Mexican goes to Mexico and fathers 20 children with 20 different Mexican women. Are those children all Americans? Example number two Muslim American goes to Iran and fathers 20 children with 20 different Iranian women. Those children grow up in Iran taught to hate America and then move here claiming that they are all American citizens. There is no difference between them and Ted Cruz

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I bet it's pretty easy to find a copy of Cruz's birth certificate. Low information radical lefties who rely on Huffington and Media Matters for information might be shocked to find that former republican presidential candidate John McCain wasn't born in the USA either.

Different! His dad was in the military. McCain was a military brat.

Let me give you a very easy couple examples of how Ted Cruz is not an American. Number one, let's say an American Mexican goes to Mexico and fathers 20 children with 20 different Mexican women. Are those children all Americans? Example number two Muslim American goes to Iran and fathers 20 children with 20 different Iranian women. Those children grow up in Iran taught to hate America and then move here claiming that they are all American citizens. There is no difference between them and Ted Cruz

Number one, let's say an American Mexican goes to Mexico and fathers 20 children with 20 different Mexican women. Are those children all Americans?

Pretty sure the law says the parents have to be married.

Those children grow up in Iran taught to hate America and then move here claiming that they are all American citizens.

If they meet the standards of the law, they are citizens. So they're like Obama, with the America hating.