Question for Christians: Tithing

[Picaro]

They were just going about their business

They were not saying....send me money because I am an atheist

Yes, the business of lying, extortion, murder, and seizing governments and their treasuries, and accumulating personal power.

Jesus was a Socialist

Rubbish.

Again...not done in the name of atheism

Jesus was as Socialist as they come

lol rubbish. This is a common lie about Christianity, from those who never actually read their texts but think they can school them on what they're supposed to be.

 

[Picaro]

If God wants the money.......He can take it

God loves a cheerful giver....
He wants us to give because we are happy to

Pedophiles have expense too.

Yes, and they relied on the 'Gay Rights' movement and advertising in homosexual magazines for recruiting members and raising money, something Democrats like to support and protect.

 

[Picaro]

Is it commanded by God, or is it optional?

If optional, what makes a tithe different from an offering?

Definitely a rip off. No question.

And gullible church mice pay it.

Well, the thing is, if God loves a willing, cheerful giver, why do Church Leaders have to ask for money? At that point, you're being bullied or guilted into it. No?

They ask because they need it in many cases; a lot of people like to use churches for the services and networking, but still tend to avoid contributing, sort of like those who want socialism but don't intend to do anything after they impose it but mooch off of the system, i.e. the vast majority of wannabee 'socialists'.

 

[william the wie]

I agree, most of the problem are of our own making, but I'm talking to the religionists who really think there's an invisible sky pixie sitting on a cloud changing the outcomes of football games while letting poor kids starve.

Welll..... Christians believe that God can provide even trivial things, if it's for his Glory. This is why people like yourself don't like God because, in the human logical mind, he's self centered because he commands obedience and worship.

As long as we're thinking like humans, it will never make sense. Even church leaders and evangelists have gotten to the point on some issues where they admit they don't know.

I agree, most of the problem are of our own making, but I'm talking to the religionists who really think there's an invisible sky pixie sitting on a cloud changing the outcomes of football games while letting poor kids starve.

Welll..... Christians believe that God can provide even trivial things, if it's for his Glory. This is why people like yourself don't like God because, in the human logical mind, he's self centered because he commands obedience and worship.

As long as we're thinking like humans, it will never make sense. Even church leaders and evangelists have gotten to the point on some issues where they admit they don't know.

I agree, most of the problem are of our own making, but I'm talking to the religionists who really think there's an invisible sky pixie sitting on a cloud changing the outcomes of football games while letting poor kids starve.

Welll..... Christians believe that God can provide even trivial things, if it's for his Glory. This is why people like yourself don't like God because, in the human logical mind, he's self centered because he commands obedience and worship.

As long as we're thinking like humans, it will never make sense. Even church leaders and evangelists have gotten to the point on some issues where they admit they don't know.

I agree, most of the problem are of our own making, but I'm talking to the religionists who really think there's an invisible sky pixie sitting on a cloud changing the outcomes of football games while letting poor kids starve.

Welll..... Christians believe that God can provide even trivial things, if it's for his Glory. This is why people like yourself don't like God because, in the human logical mind, he's self centered because he commands obedience and worship.

As long as we're thinking like humans, it will never make sense. Even church leaders and evangelists have gotten to the point on some issues where they admit they don't know.

It's His Universe and He does what pleases Him.

 

[Taz]

If God wants the money.......He can take it

God loves a cheerful giver....
He wants us to give because we are happy to

Pedophiles have expense too.

Yes, and they relied on the 'Gay Rights' movement and advertising in homosexual magazines for recruiting members and raising money, something Democrats like to support and protect.

FYI, the gays rights movement has nothing to do with pedophiles. Now you know.

 

[ding]

If God wants the money.......He can take it

God loves a cheerful giver....
He wants us to give because we are happy to

Pedophiles have expense too.

Yes, and they relied on the 'Gay Rights' movement and advertising in homosexual magazines for recruiting members and raising money, something Democrats like to support and protect.

FYI, the gays rights movement has nothing to do with pedophiles. Now you know.

And the problems the Catholic Church experienced from the 1950's through the 1980's was a homosexual problem and not a pedophile problem. Now you know.

 

[JoeB131]

Since you don't believe God exists, you don't believe your own argument, Joe.

No, you see, if God existed, we wouldn't have hurricanes and famines in wherever we are having famines this year because a loving God wouldn't do that to otherwise nice people.

But in your world, God lets these things happen because then people can get the "joy" of giving charity.

Again, about one step removed from a Batman Villain!

 

[ding]

Since you don't believe God exists, you don't believe your own argument, Joe.

No, you see, if God existed, we wouldn't have hurricanes and famines in wherever we are having famines this year because a loving God wouldn't do that to otherwise nice people.

But in your world, God lets these things happen because then people can get the "joy" of giving charity.

Again, about one step removed from a Batman Villain!

Your logic eludes me, Joe.

 

[JoeB131]

And the problems the Catholic Church experienced from the 1950's through the 1980's was a homosexual problem and not a pedophile problem. Now you know.

Um, no, they had a pedophile problem because when you advertise for help with "Must have no sexual interest in adult women and be willing to spend lots of time with kids", you are going to have a problem.

I do think a large part of the problem was back in Old School Catholicism, when Little Timmy started singing showtunes in puberty, they shipped him off to the seminary, where his sexual development was arrested. While his little playmates were learning how to touch Sally's private parts, he was a frustrated teen boy who might have been gay, then released back into the wild as a 20 something.

 

[JoeB131]

Your logic eludes me, Joe.

Did I need to use smaller words.

If you believe that you should give money to the Church so the Church can do charitable things...

Then you believe that church serves an omnipotent God who allows the evils that require charity to start with.

A Greek Philosopher named Epicurus figured this out a long time ago, even before Jesus.

1. If God is willing but unable to prevent evil, then he is not all-powerful.
2. If God is able but not willing to prevent evil, then he is not all-good.
3. If God is both willing and able to prevent evil, then why does evil exist?
4. If God is unable and unwilling to prevent evil, why call him God?

So you believe in an omnipotent being who allows evil to exist so that the rest of us can show how "good" we are by giving up money we worked hard to earn, when he could just as easily snap his fingers and make these things go away.

And sorry, before you direct me to read the bible or some such nonsense, the Bible is full of stories of God doing truly horrible things because the Hebrews weren't giving him his props!

 

[Soupnazi630]

Is it commanded by God, or is it optional?

If optional, what makes a tithe different from an offering?

I used to be a Christian but am now atheist.

Tithing goes back to the Isrealites when they were a desert tribe. The idea being that since the Hiolymen such as Moses spent their time communing with god and leading he tribe they had little time to spend raising flocks or growing crops to support themselves. Therefore the rest of the people would give a percentage of their income to support the holymen.

It was not so much a commandment of god as it was a rile established by the mouthpieces of god. Essentially if you believe the bible to be the inspired or true word of god then tithing ( and every thing else ) is a commandment of god.

Much like the obscure verses in the Old testament which forbid homosexuality. Not really give directly from god but from those who claim to be speaking for god because they have a hidden radio transmitter somewhere which god speaks through.

Naturally many christians love to jump all over the " do not lie with man as you would a woman thing" but then they toss out the tithing rule or the no shell fish rule or do not cut your hair rule any other rule when it is inconvenient. This is the glaring hypocrisy of religion.

 

[Weatherman2020]

In the past 25 years extreme poverty in the world has fallen over 70%.

are you on Drugs?

If you would stop being so ignorant you'd stop being a leftist.

 

[JoeB131]

If you would stop being so ignorant you'd stop being a leftist.

Guy, poverty is still where most people are... sorry, man.

 

[Weatherman2020]

If you would stop being so ignorant you'd stop being a leftist.

Guy, poverty is still where most people are... sorry, man.

Crawl out of your bubble world, dufus.

 

[Weatherman2020]

If you would stop being so ignorant you'd stop being a leftist.

Guy, poverty is still where most people are... sorry, man.

Poverty to you is having an iPhone 4 and your DVD player doesn't play Blu-Ray.

 

[ding]

And the problems the Catholic Church experienced from the 1950's through the 1980's was a homosexual problem and not a pedophile problem. Now you know.

Um, no, they had a pedophile problem because when you advertise for help with "Must have no sexual interest in adult women and be willing to spend lots of time with kids", you are going to have a problem.

I do think a large part of the problem was back in Old School Catholicism, when Little Timmy started singing showtunes in puberty, they shipped him off to the seminary, where his sexual development was arrested. While his little playmates were learning how to touch Sally's private parts, he was a frustrated teen boy who might have been gay, then released back into the wild as a 20 something.

Seems like I struck a nerve there, Joe.

Sorry, there were about 200 pedo's, the other 4,500 were homosexuals.

 

[JoeB131]

Poverty to you is having an iPhone 4 and your DVD player doesn't play Blu-Ray.

No, poverty to me is not having enough to eat.


World Hunger Statistics

Every year, authors, journalists, teachers, researchers, schoolchildren and students ask us for statistics about hunger and malnutrition. To help answer these questions, we've compiled a list of useful facts and figures on world hunger.

• Some 795 million people in the world do not have enough food to lead a healthy active life. That's about one in nine people on earth.
• The vast majority of the world's hungry people live in developing countries, where 12.9 percent of the population is undernourished.
• Asia is the continent with the most hungry people - two thirds of the total. The percentage in southern Asia has fallen in recent years but in western Asia it has increased slightly.
• Sub-Saharan Africa is the region with the highest prevalence (percentage of population) of hunger. One person in four there is undernourished.
• Poor nutrition causes nearly half (45%) of deaths in children under five - 3.1 million children each year.
• One out of six children -- roughly 100 million -- in developing countries is underweight.
• One in four of the world's children are stunted. In developing countries the proportion can rise to one in three.

 

[JoeB131]

Seems like I struck a nerve there, Joe.

Sorry, there were about 200 pedo's, the other 4,500 were homosexuals.

No, pedos are pedos, and homosexuals are homosexuals.

 

[ding]

Seems like I struck a nerve there, Joe.

Sorry, there were about 200 pedo's, the other 4,500 were homosexuals.

No, pedos are pedos, and homosexuals are homosexuals.

Right. And of the 4700 priests, 200 were pedo's and the other 4,500 were homosexuals doing what homosexuals do.

 

[RodISHI]

I agree, most of the problem are of our own making, but I'm talking to the religionists who really think there's an invisible sky pixie sitting on a cloud changing the outcomes of football games while letting poor kids starve.

Welll..... Christians believe that God can provide even trivial things, if it's for his Glory. This is why people like yourself don't like God because, in the human logical mind, he's self centered because he commands obedience and worship.

As long as we're thinking like humans, it will never make sense. Even church leaders and evangelists have gotten to the point on some issues where they admit they don't know.

I agree, most of the problem are of our own making, but I'm talking to the religionists who really think there's an invisible sky pixie sitting on a cloud changing the outcomes of football games while letting poor kids starve.

Welll..... Christians believe that God can provide even trivial things, if it's for his Glory. This is why people like yourself don't like God because, in the human logical mind, he's self centered because he commands obedience and worship.

As long as we're thinking like humans, it will never make sense. Even church leaders and evangelists have gotten to the point on some issues where they admit they don't know.

I agree, most of the problem are of our own making, but I'm talking to the religionists who really think there's an invisible sky pixie sitting on a cloud changing the outcomes of football games while letting poor kids starve.

Welll..... Christians believe that God can provide even trivial things, if it's for his Glory. This is why people like yourself don't like God because, in the human logical mind, he's self centered because he commands obedience and worship.

As long as we're thinking like humans, it will never make sense. Even church leaders and evangelists have gotten to the point on some issues where they admit they don't know.

I agree, most of the problem are of our own making, but I'm talking to the religionists who really think there's an invisible sky pixie sitting on a cloud changing the outcomes of football games while letting poor kids starve.

Welll..... Christians believe that God can provide even trivial things, if it's for his Glory. This is why people like yourself don't like God because, in the human logical mind, he's self centered because he commands obedience and worship.

As long as we're thinking like humans, it will never make sense. Even church leaders and evangelists have gotten to the point on some issues where they admit they don't know.

It's His Universe and He does what pleases Him.

I was going to say this to Bonzi but she can read it if I say it to your post instead of going back.

God is a spirit. As believers that spirit connects us all in some form in the background of our minds. Hebrew means from the region beyond. On closer examination and with a spirit of discernment the fuller meaning of Hebrew includes 'with wings' meaning that spirit moves through the universe in/on air. I have had little things that we couldn't afford at the moment that were needed or help arrive from what would seem like nowhere that I never had to make a prayer a request for. It is as it is written, 'by my spirit'. Anointed with spirit we are all connected as one body in that anointing.