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How would you suggest we make government smaller? What would you do?
At the federal level...
Abolish the EPA.
Abolish the Dept of Education.
Abolish OSHA.
A the state level....
publish all salaries and benefits.
The EPA? You want us to be like China so we can't even the sky?
How much would all those things save us on the budget?
How would you suggest we make government smaller? What would you do?
Ah, back to your small government authoritarian leftism, LOL.
Companies should operate as companies, not government welfare agencies. Which means they should pay market wages. They should not consider government social policy in their strategies.
Welfare should be welfare. First, no one should ever get less welfare for working. What they do now is cutoffs, if you make more than X, you don't qualify. It should be for example a 2 for 1 phaseout meaning for every 2 dollars you earn your benefit is reduced 1 dollar so no one is incented to not work. One of my employees won't work more than a certain number of hours for that reason, it's insane.
Welfare should be reformed where they go for help in this order:
1) People are responsible for themselves
2) Their families help them
3) Their communities/churches help them
4) Charities help them
5) Government welfare should be the last step, not the first, and it should be at the local level not the Federal level.
I can't believe how impenetrable some of these alleged "conservative" skulls are...Where would Kmart and McDonald's be without it's burger flippers, store clerks, cashiers, warehousemen, etc,? NOWHERE
All of these people are needed to generate the wealth enjoyed by a successfull company...and SHOULD NOT HAVE TO DEPEND ON CHARITY OR TAXPAYER LARGESSE to survive...
Sure the CEOs and stockholders at the top of these BIG companies "deserve" profits...but so do the folks at the bottom ...who help generate those profits...DESERVE A LIVING WAGE.
Depending on charity or the public dole to feed ur kids when u work full time for the wealthiest in our nation is not just inequitable..it's obscene.
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Companies like Walmart are creating this need by paying so little, so the government grows.
So Walmart gives workers with little education, experience or training a better offer than anyone else gives them, and that's Walmart "creating this need?" WTF? So Walmart caused them to suck at school and not work hard? Walmart caused them to not work hard or be reliable at other jobs and not gain experience? Walmart did all that? Wow, in your native language, "baa." Incredible. And you actually believe that don't you? Walmart gave them a chance, and they are paying them more than anyone else will pay them. In what possible fantasy land is that bad?
I'm in the real world.
LOL, we know that's wrong. Walmart, who is already paying them more than anyone else will pay them, is the bad guy in this. Right. Oh, and you're saying that because of your belief in small governments...
Look at the unemployment rate. Not many other options out there.
Sure get a job at the largest company in the world maybe. Oh wait they pay so little that you'd still be on welfare.
Why the hell would I bust my ass working at the local Walmart? Maybe corporate HQ or one of their software/engineering shops, but no way in hell I'm gonna work as a stock guy, register clerk, or even manager at Walmart when I can make a six figure salary millions of different ways working right at home. I've never collected an ounce of welfare, and I suspect I never will. You'd have to burn down my ranch & home, steal my assets, break my hands and legs, cut my tongue out, poke my eyes out, and kill all of my relatives, before I'd even come close to not being able to figure out a way to stay off welfare.
And you've been very fortunate your whole life no doubt.
I'm not an alleged conservative, I'm an actual libertarian.I can't believe how impenetrable some of these alleged "conservative" skulls are...
Where would Kmart and McDonald's be without it's burger flippers, store clerks, cashiers, warehousemen, etc,? NOWHERE
All of these people are needed to generate the wealth enjoyed by a successfull company...and SHOULD NOT HAVE TO DEPEND ON CHARITY OR TAXPAYER LARGESSE to survive...
Sure the CEOs and stockholders at the top of these BIG companies "deserve" profits...but so do the folks at the bottom ...who help generate those profits...DESERVE A LIVING WAGE.
Depending on charity or the public dole to feed ur kids when u work full time for the wealthiest in our nation is not just inequitable..it's obscene.
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Ah, back to your small government authoritarian leftism, LOL.
Companies should operate as companies, not government welfare agencies. Which means they should pay market wages. They should not consider government social policy in their strategies.
Welfare should be welfare. First, no one should ever get less welfare for working. What they do now is cutoffs, if you make more than X, you don't qualify. It should be for example a 2 for 1 phaseout meaning for every 2 dollars you earn your benefit is reduced 1 dollar so no one is incented to not work. One of my employees won't work more than a certain number of hours for that reason, it's insane.
Welfare should be reformed where they go for help in this order:
1) People are responsible for themselves
2) Their families help them
3) Their communities/churches help them
4) Charities help them
5) Government welfare should be the last step, not the first, and it should be at the local level not the Federal level.
I can't believe how impenetrable some of these alleged "conservative" skulls are...Where would Kmart and McDonald's be without it's burger flippers, store clerks, cashiers, warehousemen, etc,? NOWHERE
All of these people are needed to generate the wealth enjoyed by a successfull company...and SHOULD NOT HAVE TO DEPEND ON CHARITY OR TAXPAYER LARGESSE to survive...
Sure the CEOs and stockholders at the top of these BIG companies "deserve" profits...but so do the folks at the bottom ...who help generate those profits...DESERVE A LIVING WAGE.
Depending on charity or the public dole to feed ur kids when u work full time for the wealthiest in our nation is not just inequitable..it's obscene.
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In their eyes the Walton's who inherited the business and probably do very little work deserve the $3 billion a year. But the people who are actually working to help them make that money deserve so little they are on welfare.
So Walmart gives workers with little education, experience or training a better offer than anyone else gives them, and that's Walmart "creating this need?" WTF? So Walmart caused them to suck at school and not work hard? Walmart caused them to not work hard or be reliable at other jobs and not gain experience? Walmart did all that? Wow, in your native language, "baa." Incredible. And you actually believe that don't you? Walmart gave them a chance, and they are paying them more than anyone else will pay them. In what possible fantasy land is that bad?
LOL, we know that's wrong. Walmart, who is already paying them more than anyone else will pay them, is the bad guy in this. Right. Oh, and you're saying that because of your belief in small governments...
Look at the unemployment rate. Not many other options out there.
Yes, Obama's doing a bang up job of making sure Walmart has plenty of employees they can abuse...
Why the hell would I bust my ass working at the local Walmart? Maybe corporate HQ or one of their software/engineering shops, but no way in hell I'm gonna work as a stock guy, register clerk, or even manager at Walmart when I can make a six figure salary millions of different ways working right at home. I've never collected an ounce of welfare, and I suspect I never will. You'd have to burn down my ranch & home, steal my assets, break my hands and legs, cut my tongue out, poke my eyes out, and kill all of my relatives, before I'd even come close to not being able to figure out a way to stay off welfare.
And you've been very fortunate your whole life no doubt.
When I was a young child, I learned you can either make/construct your own fortune or wait for hand-outs. My parents were not big on hand-outs. I enjoy the competition. I enjoy the effort. I take pride in being able to say, I built that.
I made more money as a child back in the 70s cutting grass and / or working at publix than most walmart employees make. If you are working for minimum wage at walmart, and you are an "adult" who is not of retirement age I just have to ask, what the hell happened? Or perhaps the real reason is they are at walmart cause it's an easy job and they can keep their welfare checks.
Just to add, I can remember plenty of retired folks that were bagging at publix for minimum wage/close to minimum. They did it cause they enjoyed the work, got to mingle with the chicks, and keep busy/healthy, and it got them a little pocket change with no stress. It was odd for me (a 17 year old kid) to be managing folks 50 years older than me, but I really liked them, they worked hard and they were courteous and helped me out by providing lots of sage advice.
And you've been very fortunate your whole life no doubt.
When I was a young child, I learned you can either make/construct your own fortune or wait for hand-outs. My parents were not big on hand-outs. I enjoy the competition. I enjoy the effort. I take pride in being able to say, I built that.
I made more money as a child back in the 70s cutting grass and / or working at publix than most walmart employees make. If you are working for minimum wage at walmart, and you are an "adult" who is not of retirement age I just have to ask, what the hell happened? Or perhaps the real reason is they are at walmart cause it's an easy job and they can keep their welfare checks.
Just to add, I can remember plenty of retired folks that were bagging at publix for minimum wage/close to minimum. They did it cause they enjoyed the work, got to mingle with the chicks, and keep busy/healthy, and it got them a little pocket change with no stress. It was odd for me (a 17 year old kid) to be managing folks 50 years older than me, but I really liked them, they worked hard and they were courteous and helped me out by providing lots of sage advice.
I know people were paying you ridiculous amounts of money to mow lawns. I got like $5 for a big lawn that might take an hour. Something tells me you were in the rich neighborhood and have been very fortunate your whole life.
Nope. The neighborhood where I cut grass as a young child is called North Lauderdale, it's in South Florida. You can look it up. It's not even close to being a rich neighborhood, but it's not a slum if that's what you mean. The reason they paid well was the temperature and humidity. One would have had to be off their rocker to cut grass for five bucks down there. Ten - twenty was about right depending on size of lawn and who's equipment you used whether they wanted edging etc.And you've been very fortunate your whole life no doubt.
When I was a young child, I learned you can either make/construct your own fortune or wait for hand-outs. My parents were not big on hand-outs. I enjoy the competition. I enjoy the effort. I take pride in being able to say, I built that.
I made more money as a child back in the 70s cutting grass and / or working at publix than most walmart employees make. If you are working for minimum wage at walmart, and you are an "adult" who is not of retirement age I just have to ask, what the hell happened? Or perhaps the real reason is they are at walmart cause it's an easy job and they can keep their welfare checks.
Just to add, I can remember plenty of retired folks that were bagging at publix for minimum wage/close to minimum. They did it cause they enjoyed the work, got to mingle with the chicks, and keep busy/healthy, and it got them a little pocket change with no stress. It was odd for me (a 17 year old kid) to be managing folks 50 years older than me, but I really liked them, they worked hard and they were courteous and helped me out by providing lots of sage advice.
I know people were paying you ridiculous amounts of money to mow lawns. I got like $5 for a big lawn that might take an hour. Something tells me you were in the rich neighborhood and have been very fortunate your whole life.
When I was a young child, I learned you can either make/construct your own fortune or wait for hand-outs. My parents were not big on hand-outs. I enjoy the competition. I enjoy the effort. I take pride in being able to say, I built that.
I made more money as a child back in the 70s cutting grass and / or working at publix than most walmart employees make. If you are working for minimum wage at walmart, and you are an "adult" who is not of retirement age I just have to ask, what the hell happened? Or perhaps the real reason is they are at walmart cause it's an easy job and they can keep their welfare checks.
Just to add, I can remember plenty of retired folks that were bagging at publix for minimum wage/close to minimum. They did it cause they enjoyed the work, got to mingle with the chicks, and keep busy/healthy, and it got them a little pocket change with no stress. It was odd for me (a 17 year old kid) to be managing folks 50 years older than me, but I really liked them, they worked hard and they were courteous and helped me out by providing lots of sage advice.
I know people were paying you ridiculous amounts of money to mow lawns. I got like $5 for a big lawn that might take an hour. Something tells me you were in the rich neighborhood and have been very fortunate your whole life.
What does it matter ?
You get what the market will bear. I used to turn down lawn mowing jobs because I was in demand and had all the business I wanted at better prices than some offered.
A good friend made good money washing cars for people at their houses.
You take what's available and grow on it.
What does it matter ?
You get what the market will bear. I used to turn down lawn mowing jobs because I was in demand and had all the business I wanted at better prices than some offered.
A good friend made good money washing cars for people at their houses.
You take what's available and grow on it.
I know people were paying you ridiculous amounts of money to mow lawns. I got like $5 for a big lawn that might take an hour. Something tells me you were in the rich neighborhood and have been very fortunate your whole life.
What does it matter ?
You get what the market will bear. I used to turn down lawn mowing jobs because I was in demand and had all the business I wanted at better prices than some offered.
A good friend made good money washing cars for people at their houses.
You take what's available and grow on it.
The rich kid getting paid lots of money to do jobs by the rich neighbors has a different view than the kid who grew up poor. People don't seem to recognize the advantages they have. Who you know is often better than how hard you work.
I know people were paying you ridiculous amounts of money to mow lawns. I got like $5 for a big lawn that might take an hour. Something tells me you were in the rich neighborhood and have been very fortunate your whole life.
What does it matter ?
You get what the market will bear. I used to turn down lawn mowing jobs because I was in demand and had all the business I wanted at better prices than some offered.
A good friend made good money washing cars for people at their houses.
You take what's available and grow on it.
The rich kid getting paid lots of money to do jobs by the rich neighbors has a different view than the kid who grew up poor. People don't seem to recognize the advantages they have. Who you know is often better than how hard you work.
What does it matter ?
You get what the market will bear. I used to turn down lawn mowing jobs because I was in demand and had all the business I wanted at better prices than some offered.
A good friend made good money washing cars for people at their houses.
You take what's available and grow on it.
You're right, none of these stories about how well people did mowing lawns when they were kids matters in this discussion. It is all just anecdotal evidence trying to prove... what exactly I'm not sure. That some people found a good market for lawn mowing and did well when they were children?
More germane to this thread is the question:
Is anyone arguing that the minimum wage should be abolished?
What happens when the income that the market will bear is below the income level necessary for subsistence?
Given that there is a minimum wage and there is inflation, does it make sense to increase the minimum wage purely for the purpose of matching inflation?
Given how ok you are with all this corporate welfare you might be a Marxist.
If you're not a Marxist, you might just be a Marxist! I should send this in to Jeff Foxworthy. If you're not a redneck, you just might be a redneck! Hmm...on second thought I won't send him that one.
Well you clearly love big government and spending. That's a good start.
Companies like Walmart are creating this need by paying so little, so the government grows.
So Walmart gives workers with little education, experience or training a better offer than anyone else gives them, and that's Walmart "creating this need?" WTF? So Walmart caused them to suck at school and not work hard? Walmart caused them to not work hard or be reliable at other jobs and not gain experience? Walmart did all that? Wow, in your native language, "baa." Incredible. And you actually believe that don't you? Walmart gave them a chance, and they are paying them more than anyone else will pay them. In what possible fantasy land is that bad?
I'm in the real world.
LOL, we know that's wrong. Walmart, who is already paying them more than anyone else will pay them, is the bad guy in this. Right. Oh, and you're saying that because of your belief in small governments...
Look at the unemployment rate. Not many other options out there.
Clearly, arguendo, if it was worth while to have a minimum wage then it should be indexed to either inflation, or some other measure selected based on whatever was used to support creation of minimum wage in the first place. One could and should say the same about AMT. It makes no sense for AMT not to be indexed. So yes, it makes no sense for minimum wage not to be indexed.
That said, I'd prefer our government spend it's time breaking up monopolies that monopolize labor rates, vs. setting a supposed minimum bar for the worth of supposed minimum value labor in this country. It seems to me minimum wages are an excuse for government to forgo their job of breaking up labor rate monopolies.
If you're not a Marxist, you might just be a Marxist! I should send this in to Jeff Foxworthy. If you're not a redneck, you just might be a redneck! Hmm...on second thought I won't send him that one.
Well you clearly love big government and spending. That's a good start.
No the politicians that have changed the rules so as to make getting on the dole easier than ever before and people like you who think they did the right thing by doing so are the ones who like big government
