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Skull, you might have missed understanding what I wrote. I was asking about YOUR business. Not fast food or retail.
But I got to ask you skull. You think everyone should be just like you eh?
I think you don't have a very good understanding of human beings. We are all different skull. You may have wanted to work 90 hours a week for what ever reason. Does not mean that everyone else should, would or could work 90 hours a week.
Tough for you to understand that. But that is the way it is.
And because you work 90 hours a week, get off your high horse and quit begging for applause. It was your choice. Your entire life is based on your job and what you do. Not everyone feels that way.
Yet they still gotta eat. And have a roof over their heads. Some basic medical care. Clothes. You know, things like that.
But your math is also fuzzy. Your 38 hour worker will not get paid another 400 dollars a month by working 40 hours. Do the math. 8.2 additional hours x 19.00 dollars equals $155.80.
Or do your employees set their own hours? That would be weird.
You don't exaggerate do you?
You're assuming she puts in 38 hours. She comes in well under that on average.
How many of your support staff have a family and a life outside of work and still work a part time job? Do you even know? Or care?
If none of your support staff is working part time jobs or receiving food stamps, then you have answered a most vexing question for these boards; what is the amount of a "living" wage. Skull has determined it is 15 to 18 dollars an hour for "support staff". I agree.
What is your business skull? In broad generalities of course.
His skills, he runs a business, organizes, leads a group of people to produce a product or service, has invested many years, and tons of money to make it work, he produces jobs, he works in the confines of a massive government bureaucracy that forces him to collect taxes. He probably has contracted lawyers, CPA's and others to make sure he is compliant with laws. He probably has his business on his mind 24/7 and worries what the next law will be, how can he keep his business relevant in an ever changing world of competition.
That would be a small part of what most business owners need.
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I'll fix that for you: He sits behind a desk, points fingers, yells at a group of people to produce a product or service, has wasted many years, and tons of his unlimited supply of bourgeois scum money to make it work, he produces "jobs" for unwitting wage slaves, he works alongside a helpful government bureaucracy that doesn't force him to do anything other than keep track of who he pays what amounts. I'll skip your next few lines, as they can be summed up as thus: "Probably probably probably."
Business owners are lazy scumbags that are unable to do anything for themselves so they leech off of society by taking advantage of wage slaves desperate for some form of income they can use to support their families. Capitalists are the real welfare queens.
All it would take to end corporate welfare is to raise the minimum wage to a living wage, and to do this we need only revoke a business owner's access to the company's funds. Let him get paid as a regular, rank and file employee of his own business, and let's see how long it takes before he makes the living wage a reality.
How many of your support staff have a family and a life outside of work and still work a part time job? Do you even know? Or care?
If none of your support staff is working part time jobs or receiving food stamps, then you have answered a most vexing question for these boards; what is the amount of a "living" wage. Skull has determined it is 15 to 18 dollars an hour for "support staff". I agree.
What is your business skull? In broad generalities of course.
I never mention the term living wage.
I pay my people what I pay them because that is what the skill level they need is worth in the market place. The total cost of paying them is reflected in my pricing which is in general on par with the regional norms for my operation. Increasing my prices so as to pay people 40% more ( and you think people should get more of in increase I'm sure) would most likely result in a significant decrease in business and most likely the elimination of some of my employees
And FYI even my part time employees get paid the same hourly rates as many of the full timers. Those full time people who get insurance get 90% of the single premium paid all my employees full and part time get vacation and sick time and can participate in the company 401K with up to a 5% match.
But that's what I pay in a small closely held business with a small staff. I by no means think other businesses should be forced to do the same.
What difference does that make?
If you pay your support staff enough money per hour that they do not need a part time job to survive and they don't need food stamps to eat, then they are being paid a wage they can live on.
Hence a "living wage" is 15 to 18 dollars an hour. Not very hard to understand for a business man such as yourself is it?
Skull, you might have missed understanding what I wrote. I was asking about YOUR business. Not fast food or retail.
But I got to ask you skull. You think everyone should be just like you eh?
I think you don't have a very good understanding of human beings. We are all different skull. You may have wanted to work 90 hours a week for what ever reason. Does not mean that everyone else should, would or could work 90 hours a week.
Tough for you to understand that. But that is the way it is.
And because you work 90 hours a week, get off your high horse and quit begging for applause. It was your choice. Your entire life is based on your job and what you do. Not everyone feels that way.
Yet they still gotta eat. And have a roof over their heads. Some basic medical care. Clothes. You know, things like that.
But your math is also fuzzy. Your 38 hour worker will not get paid another 400 dollars a month by working 40 hours. Do the math. 8.2 additional hours x 19.00 dollars equals $155.80.
Or do your employees set their own hours? That would be weird.
You don't exaggerate do you?
You're assuming she puts in 38 hours. She comes in well under that on average.
You run a company or a welfare agency? How in the hell can a company prosper when the supposed full time workers don't work the full time hours? And you let that shit go on?
Knowingly and with your approval I guess. This person still has their job right?
What kind of business do you run?
You're assuming she puts in 38 hours. She comes in well under that on average.
You run a company or a welfare agency? How in the hell can a company prosper when the supposed full time workers don't work the full time hours? And you let that shit go on?
Knowingly and with your approval I guess. This person still has their job right?
What kind of business do you run?
Not that it's any of your business but I allow it because it benefits me. In fact she is the one employee I would love to let go but she really has not done anything to warrant firing her and I don't want to have to pay the unemployment claim.
Walmart does not receive that money the people who will not support themselves do.
Yes the people who are making the walmart billions.
Irrelevant.
Stuffing shit into bags is not a job that will support a family. It never was and it never will be and it should never be.
If you're not a Marxist, you might just be a Marxist! I should send this in to Jeff Foxworthy. If you're not a redneck, you just might be a redneck! Hmm...on second thought I won't send him that one.
Well you clearly love big government and spending. That's a good start.
No the politicians that have changed the rules so as to make getting on the dole easier than ever before and people like you who think they did the right thing by doing so are the ones who like big government
Well you clearly love big government and spending. That's a good start.
No the politicians that have changed the rules so as to make getting on the dole easier than ever before and people like you who think they did the right thing by doing so are the ones who like big government
I am against regulating Walmart's wages and I'm against government forced redistribution of wealth, so I see how "brain" (LOL) blames me for big government...
No the politicians that have changed the rules so as to make getting on the dole easier than ever before and people like you who think they did the right thing by doing so are the ones who like big government
I am against regulating Walmart's wages and I'm against government forced redistribution of wealth, so I see how "brain" (LOL) blames me for big government...
What about giving business tax incentives to pay better and offer better benefits? Certainly it benefits the government to not be giving out lots of welfare. Also would be great for the economy.
I am against regulating Walmart's wages and I'm against government forced redistribution of wealth, so I see how "brain" (LOL) blames me for big government...
What about giving business tax incentives to pay better and offer better benefits? Certainly it benefits the government to not be giving out lots of welfare. Also would be great for the economy.
A healthy economy starts with economic efficiency. The people at walmart should earn market wages for working. Welfare should be a totally separate topic which the Federal government should have nothing to do with.
You run a company or a welfare agency? How in the hell can a company prosper when the supposed full time workers don't work the full time hours? And you let that shit go on?
Knowingly and with your approval I guess. This person still has their job right?
What kind of business do you run?
Not that it's any of your business but I allow it because it benefits me. In fact she is the one employee I would love to let go but she really has not done anything to warrant firing her and I don't want to have to pay the unemployment claim.
What does she do? Let you bang her in the break room? LMAO. Or head jobs under your desk?
When I was an employee, you could be fired for not working the hours scheduled. Unemployment be damned. You need a person there to do the work or you don't. You run a welfare agency?
Must have been Obama that changed that eh?.
I think you are slinging bullshit now skull.
But I noticed that you can't describe the business that you have poured your life into in even the most simply way. You ashamed or what?
What kind of fucking business do you have?
Yes the people who are making the walmart billions.
Irrelevant.
Stuffing shit into bags is not a job that will support a family. It never was and it never will be and it should never be.
You put together a good argument against capitalism. I mean the waltons make billions, the execs make millions, and a huge number of the workers do not and should not make a living wage. And this is our countries largest employer.
I suppose you have no problem with the highlighted portion of that historical quote? That portion of the quote highlights the intent of this President, much like our current crop of USMB and Democrat representatives.At some point we have to separate large corporations making millions/billions off of their employee's work and not paying them a fair wage vs. the small country store.
One thing is certain, Wal-Mart and others cannot make their profit without their workers who are part of the team who help create this profit. In fact, the ones making this profit probably never enter the buildings earning the majority of this profit, only the workers are there. The workers are replaceable, but again, these businesses can't stay afloat without the workers. So there is ALWAYS a team of workers helping create this profit that aren't getting a decent share.
I'm absolutely confused about people fighting for the few dozen people's mega billions when the few dozen millions aren't able to make ends meet. But that's because I was raised Christian and I'm not greedy.
The mega rich will still be mega rich if they pay a good wage and they won't have to raise prices.......Anyone who says differently is uninformed on the topic.
Addressing WalMart vs local country store: The minimum wage already has numerous exceptions, including an exception for any enterprise under $500k in revenue.
For the rest, there's a wonderful quote from FDR:
"Do not let any calamity-howling executive with an income of $1,000.00 a day, who has been turning his employees over to the Government relief rolls in order to preserve his companys undistributed reserves, tell you using his stockholders money to pay the postage for his personal opinions tell you that a wage of $11.00 a week is going to have a disastrous effect on all American industry. "
THIS is why I am on Forums about politics. I want to learn.
This person uses a historical quote based on a time period that is much like today, the great depression, where the rich were keeping all profits and letting Poor/Middle America suffer.
I'm curious why the Right Wing only holds debates that involve, "You are stupid". I'm curious why Fox news is, "You are stupid if you don't agree with us" all day every day.
Shouldn't information be a factor here in America? I don't really care if people are bias. But I can't stand people that are bias and have no understanding of why they are bias.
What about giving business tax incentives to pay better and offer better benefits? Certainly it benefits the government to not be giving out lots of welfare. Also would be great for the economy.
A healthy economy starts with economic efficiency. The people at walmart should earn market wages for working. Welfare should be a totally separate topic which the Federal government should have nothing to do with.
Right so you could cut the government out and lower taxes and increase pay, but you don't support that. You also seem to support there being really rich and really poor with no middle class. And you say you're not a communist?
I know what you mean.The Job Loss Myth | Raise The Minimum Wage
Yes, this is a web-site without an agenda.
Collecting data that supports their opinion.
Here is something to consider.
We don't live in an "economy". We live in 50 states, most of which have some degree of uiqueness and even some of them have multiple economies.
You might see positive effects by raising the wage in one area and reduced effects by lowering it.
Even within businesses that have different models, you might find things different.
In one area I know of (not a garden place), people all make well above the minimum wage because labor is so tight. The minimum wage Obama is proposing would have no effect on them. The problem is that the cost of living is also up because of tight demand.
So, this all or nothing argument is meaningless.
I know I'd be pretty feeling pretty low if my wage was set by law and not by what my employer thought I was worth. And don't get me wrong. He does not pay anymore than he has to.
From someone I know:
I left a job I liked for a job I knew I'd like more. My first employer came to me with an offer for about 20% more. I was flattered, but I wasn't leaving because of money. Still, why would they not pay me that much if they thought I was worth it. Shame on me for working for less than market value.
Don't kid yourselves.
A living wage is preferable to the wage of the dead since the dead don't do work and thus don't earn anything.
I oppose the dead wage.
You should too.
I've seen a lot of people working places who i thought were dead.
A healthy economy starts with economic efficiency. The people at walmart should earn market wages for working. Welfare should be a totally separate topic which the Federal government should have nothing to do with.
Right so you could cut the government out and lower taxes and increase pay, but you don't support that. You also seem to support there being really rich and really poor with no middle class. And you say you're not a communist?
What a dumb ass. Is this supposed to be serious?
Right now your tax dollars are going to make the Waltons richer.
No, they are not, but please explain whose wealth you would have our gov't confiscate to satisfy the min wagers.
Look, I understand opposing the minimum wage, but this is just ridiculous. Do you understand how the minimum wage works? It is a price control such that no one can buy an hour of labor for less than some specified amount.
You make an interesting point
But as a follow up. If your employee doesn't earn enough to support himself, should the taxpayer make up the difference?
Should an employer have the taxpayers support his employees just so that he can profit off of substandard wages?
The term "substandard" is purely subjective and idiosyncratic. There is no such thing as a "standard wage" in economics. There is only the market wage. You are claiming that employers have some obligation to pay more than the market wage. So far, I haven't seen a smidgeon of justification for such a claim. Can you explain it?
Simple enough...
The employer either supports his employees or the taxpayer does
Any amount we taxpayers have to pay represents what is substandard
What does it matter ?
You get what the market will bear. I used to turn down lawn mowing jobs because I was in demand and had all the business I wanted at better prices than some offered.
A good friend made good money washing cars for people at their houses.
You take what's available and grow on it.
You're right, none of these stories about how well people did mowing lawns when they were kids matters in this discussion. It is all just anecdotal evidence trying to prove... what exactly I'm not sure. That some people found a good market for lawn mowing and did well when they were children?
More germane to this thread is the question:
Is anyone arguing that the minimum wage should be abolished?
What happens when the income that the market will bear is below the income level necessary for subsistence?
Given that there is a minimum wage and there is inflation, does it make sense to increase the minimum wage purely for the purpose of matching inflation?
