Question for those who actually believe 'transgenderism' is a real thing?

[OffensivelyOpenMinded]

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Well, that's what they do. They allow children to begin HRT as young as 16, to stop and/or delay their puberty. IMO, this is a money making operation, like big pharma. Once they get these children confused enough, then they will agree to be mutilated under the surgeon's knife, and those operations are BIG money.

And what does it mean to "think like a girl" or to "think like a boy" anyways? And why are these people so obsessed with this? Just be a PERSON.

I imagine in the future (if this keeps going on) they will recommend children start hormones as soon as they are ready to start puberty.

Real life Dr. Frankenstein's is what they are to me!

They are already using pubert delaying drugs on kids as young as 11. Delayin the puberty that might rescue them from their confusion. It's sick.

Sick is your hate and lack of understanding of those of us who actually parent such a kid, and seek to do so lovingly, compassionately and wisely. You're completely hateful to parents of LGBT youth.

You do not possess wisdom or even integrity. Anyone who disagrees with children being pumped full of damaging hormones is a hater to you, you don't even behave like an adult over this issue.

I have both wisdom and integrity and you know this. You are behaving just like the OP troll. Alligning yourself with gay haters.

I let my nearly 17 year old son take hormones, because it was a family decision and one I was over ruled on. You hate me enough to call me a child abuser b/c I don't agree with your blanket condemnation of ALL parents of transkids.

Each and every single one of us, you hate and condemn.

I suggest you stop bringing your own family into the discussion in the hope someone will take the bait so that you can play victim and report them.

Just attack her...she is trash, any child who is within her sphere of influence should be given a gun to shoot her with. She is a psychotic, reality denying ****. I read her tripe before.

 

[Tilly]

S

I agree.. Except in cases where the med community determines there are sufficient CONGENITAL deficits to act on it that young. Any OTHER diagnosis that allows transitioning is child abuse..

Well, that's what they do. They allow children to begin HRT as young as 16, to stop and/or delay their puberty. IMO, this is a money making operation, like big pharma. Once they get these children confused enough, then they will agree to be mutilated under the surgeon's knife, and those operations are BIG money.

And what does it mean to "think like a girl" or to "think like a boy" anyways? And why are these people so obsessed with this? Just be a PERSON.

I imagine in the future (if this keeps going on) they will recommend children start hormones as soon as they are ready to start puberty.

Real life Dr. Frankenstein's is what they are to me!

They are already using pubert delaying drugs on kids as young as 11. Delayin the puberty that might rescue them from their confusion. It's sick.

Sick is your hate and lack of understanding of those of us who actually parent such a kid, and seek to do so lovingly, compassionately and wisely. You're completely hateful to parents of LGBT youth.

You do not possess wisdom or even integrity. Anyone who disagrees with children being pumped full of damaging hormones is a hater to you, you don't even behave like an adult over this issue.

I have both wisdom and integrity and you know this. You are behaving just like the OP troll. Alligning yourself with gay haters.

I let my nearly 17 year old son take hormones, because it was a family decision and one I was over ruled on. You hate me enough to call me a child abuser b/c I don't agree with your blanket condemnation of ALL parents of transkids.

Each and every single one of us, you hate and condemn.

You were 'over ruled', suggesting you were once capable of thinking about this sensibly but didn't have the courage of your convictions to not cave in. Interesting.

 

[OffensivelyOpenMinded]

Tilly--

You want thank this asshole/ your new friend for post #314

"You deserve prison time if not the death penalty for shooting children under your care with hormones to stop their natural process."

I stand by my words, filth monger.

 

[OffensivelyOpenMinded]

Tilly is a woman, Dhara is a subhuman.

 

[Ravi]

On the issue of transgenderism, leftists seem to deny some aspects of the science and enshrine others: the existence of sex chromosome abnormalities and other disorders of sexual development (DSDs) are seen as "proof" of multiple genders....despite the fact that most people who carry these abnormalities do not suffer from gender dysphoria (the DSM 5 diagnosis assigned to transgenderism).

Why do the leftists here completely ignore the fact that the vast majority of the people who have these abnormalities do not suffer from gender dysphoria and try to pretend as if the science is settled?

Also why do you guys lie and say Transgenderism a.k.a Gender Dysphoria is not in the DSM?

What benefit do you get from lying and denying scientific facts and statistics?

Because it's NOT just chromosome disorders. It's varying magnitudes of hormonal production, size or variance in genitalia, etc. It could be actually psychological as well as physical. There's a LOT to sort out before you can DECLARE a patient an actual candidate for transgender status.. From the Psych view of it ------


Diagnosis of Gender Dysphoria
By Dr Ananya Mandal, MD

Gender dysphoria is a condition where then person identifies himself or herself with the opposite of their original biological sex. This is not a mental disorder. However, some people may need therapy.

Diagnosis of gender dysphoria is thus important to rule out other concurrent or underlying mental disorders like anxiety, depression etc. (1)

A multidisciplinary team is required for diagnosis
Assessment of persons with gender dysphoria and diagnosis of the condition is a multidisciplinary action.

A detailed psychiatric history, psychosexual development and behavior history, neuropsychological testing and behavioral analysis may be needed.

The team may comprise of:

Psychiatrists
Psychologists
Neurologists
Endocrinologists (who specialize in hormonal functions)
Urologists (who specialize in the urinary tract and its abnormalities)
Behavioral and occupation therapists
Counsellors etc.
Gender dysphoria must be separated from homosexuality. Not all persons with gender dysphoria are homosexual. (1, 2)

Two phase diagnosis
Diagnosis may be a challenge since results of psychological testing may not be conclusive.

The International Harry Benjamin Gender Dysphoria Association lays down guidelines for a two phase diagnosis. (1)

Phase I – Diagnosis is based on the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual for Mental Disorders IV (Text Revision) or DSM – IV TR.
Phase II – Here the patient is assessed if he or she can live in the desired sex role permanently. This involves family information and counselling and name change. Hormonal therapy, gender re-assignation surgery and psychotherapy is administered as needed.

Ruling out other diagnosis
Differential diagnosis or other diagnosis that need to be ruled out during assessment of a suspected person with gender dysphoria include (1):–

Nonconformity to stereotypical sex role behaviors
Transvestic fetishism – The person may have a sexual fetish with cross dressing
Concurrent congenital intersex condition – The person may have ambiguous genitalia
Schizophrenia

So to GET to a clinical diagnosis as a TRUE Transexual candidate --- you must first rule out fetishes, simple behavioural issues, Schizoids, Depression, anxiety OR ACTUAL PHYSICAL birth conditions..

People with actual OBSERVABLE and MEASURABLE physical abnormalities have to have a medical team decide the feasibility of moving in EITHER direction. Improving the BORN condition -- or transitioning to the OPPOSITE condition.

Lots of moving parts. ALL of them SANE and somewhat scientific. No yelling and screaming required..

Yes, gender dysphoria, they changed the DSM diagnosis of GID (Gender Identity Disorder) because of pressure from extreme left wing groups because they didn't want them to be "stigmatized" with a mental illness, but it is a mental disease with one of the most prominent and common symptoms which is "delusion."

No they are not actually REQUIRED to see a licensed clinical psychiatrist. They only have to see a "gender specialist" and have been living as a woman for a couple/3 years. That is ALL that is required for them to be able to have surgery.

I'm sure there (in fact I KNOW) there are other treatments other than genital mutilation. These people were fine before the extreme leftist groups involved themselves. Just look at suicide rates before the 1950s and 1960s. That should clear up any "confusion" you have on this issue.

The doctor in the quote I gave above disagrees with you. I bolded it. The dysphoria diagnosis is not a mental illness. It's a declaration that there is a legitimate case for transsexual conversion. Either because because they have RULED OUT other mental conditions that are treated differently like anxiety, depression, multiple personality disorder OR the patient presents with actual PHYSICAL sexual ambiguities.

That's how you SORT legitimate transsexuals from cross-dressers, Rue Paul, or Bruce Jenner or the dweeb that just wants to get in the women's locker room.. We're not gonna depend on public opinion in EACH and EVERY case.. That's chaos and stupidity..

Ever seen pix of folks born with MEASURABLE sexual ambiguities?? Or have you led a sheltered life?

I don't see anything about "gender specialists" in your post.

Sexual ambiguities are completely different than your run of the mill transsexual who doesn't have any physical anomalies. Apples and oranges.

And if you notice, it all says "may." From what I've read, they can be referred right off to a gender specialist, and if they have a history of "cross dressing" or living as the opposite gender, then they can get their surgeries. And to give CHILDREN hormonal therapy based on this criteria is pretty BAD medicine.

As long as they have screened and diagnosed -- I'm fine with the declaration. Now the only other thing required to END this public brawl is a legal way of DECLARING their new sex orientiation once the Med specialists have signed off on it. TARGET doesn't get to decide who gets into the which changing rooms and bathrooms. The DOCTORS and the county CLERK that records your sex on PUBLIC RECORDS does. This Obama crap about self-declaration HAS to die. That's a fatally flawed plan for handling this.

Simple --- End of discussion. Show your ID if you're "carded" for access to a sex segregated facility. No one is harmed,.. Allow a sexual status to include M or F and a qualifier if you are "transitioning". Make the transitioning declaration subject to 2 or 5 year renewal and we're done. No need for another battle in the culture wars for 0.054% of the population..

You realize this would mean everyone would have to pay for and carry a gender identity card, correct?

 

[OffensivelyOpenMinded]

Real woman wouldn't entertain pumping a little boy full of feminine hormones...nutbars who think they have the right to fuck with a child's development deserves ancient times punishments like being torn apart by hungry lions.

 

[Tilly]

S

They are already using pubert delaying drugs on kids as young as 11. Delayin the puberty that might rescue them from their confusion. It's sick.

Sick is your hate and lack of understanding of those of us who actually parent such a kid, and seek to do so lovingly, compassionately and wisely. You're completely hateful to parents of LGBT youth.

You do not possess wisdom or even integrity. Anyone who disagrees with children being pumped full of damaging hormones is a hater to you, you don't even behave like an adult over this issue.

I have both wisdom and integrity and you know this. You are behaving just like the OP troll. Alligning yourself with gay haters.

I let my nearly 17 year old son take hormones, because it was a family decision and one I was over ruled on. You hate me enough to call me a child abuser b/c I don't agree with your blanket condemnation of ALL parents of transkids.

Each and every single one of us, you hate and condemn.

I suggest you stop bringing your own family into the discussion in the hope someone will take the bait so that you can play victim and report them.

Just attack her...she is trash, any child who is within her sphere of influence should be given a gun to shoot her with. She is a psychotic, reality denying ****. I read her tripe before.

She sees attacks against herself and her family even when that isn't what's happening. She then reports people for attacking her kid and her family, which is a bannable offence

 

[OffensivelyOpenMinded]

SSick is your hate and lack of understanding of those of us who actually parent such a kid, and seek to do so lovingly, compassionately and wisely. You're completely hateful to parents of LGBT youth.

You do not possess wisdom or even integrity. Anyone who disagrees with children being pumped full of damaging hormones is a hater to you, you don't even behave like an adult over this issue.

I have both wisdom and integrity and you know this. You are behaving just like the OP troll. Alligning yourself with gay haters.

I let my nearly 17 year old son take hormones, because it was a family decision and one I was over ruled on. You hate me enough to call me a child abuser b/c I don't agree with your blanket condemnation of ALL parents of transkids.

Each and every single one of us, you hate and condemn.

I suggest you stop bringing your own family into the discussion in the hope someone will take the bait so that you can play victim and report them.

Just attack her...she is trash, any child who is within her sphere of influence should be given a gun to shoot her with. She is a psychotic, reality denying ****. I read her tripe before.

She sees attacks against herself and her family even when that isn't what's happening. She then reports people for attacking her kid and her family, which is a bannable offence

I will only attack her... I know her history thanks to Lucy. You can't blame kids for what their parents did to them. Her children are victim of a reality challenged parent who sees being 'progressive' as more important than being a good parent.

 

[BuckToothMoron]

I don't disagree with that, but for most of them, I'm sure it's not really a "choice." It's not anything new. There have been homosexuals since ancient times. In fact, in the times of the Romans, there was a lot of perverted stuff going on!

I don't thinkn that's why their empire fell. There were a lot of things going on.

I didn't say that's the only reason why, it was a contributing factor in it's downfall... Hedonism, sloth, bread and circuses.. All of it played a role.

How did it play a role?

A lot of lover's spats turned violent amongst the elite... You do know men get jealous over women sometimes right? Same applies to gays. But to be historically correct....they were all pretty much bisexual...the concept of being solely attracted to the same sex was foreign to them.

And I'm supposed to take YOUR word for this? Lol. I think it had more to do with the invading barbarians. Nobody is invincible.

If a Civilisation breaks down Chris, in the cases of the one's we've mentioned, because of legalised rampant degeneracy and Hedonism....then it's far easier for those Civilisations to be over run with an invading force.

Societal degeneracy and Hedonism lead ultimately to weakness and weakness leads ultimately, on that scale, to collapse.

Lucy, just because history is full of examples of degenerate hedonism leading to the down fall of civilizations doesn't mean it will happen this time. That whole premise is solely based in fact and logic, and some people here find that sort of thing offensive, so kindly stop.

 

[Dhara]

S

Well, that's what they do. They allow children to begin HRT as young as 16, to stop and/or delay their puberty. IMO, this is a money making operation, like big pharma. Once they get these children confused enough, then they will agree to be mutilated under the surgeon's knife, and those operations are BIG money.

And what does it mean to "think like a girl" or to "think like a boy" anyways? And why are these people so obsessed with this? Just be a PERSON.

I imagine in the future (if this keeps going on) they will recommend children start hormones as soon as they are ready to start puberty.

Real life Dr. Frankenstein's is what they are to me!

They are already using pubert delaying drugs on kids as young as 11. Delayin the puberty that might rescue them from their confusion. It's sick.

Sick is your hate and lack of understanding of those of us who actually parent such a kid, and seek to do so lovingly, compassionately and wisely. You're completely hateful to parents of LGBT youth.

You do not possess wisdom or even integrity. Anyone who disagrees with children being pumped full of damaging hormones is a hater to you, you don't even behave like an adult over this issue.

I have both wisdom and integrity and you know this. You are behaving just like the OP troll. Alligning yourself with gay haters.

I let my nearly 17 year old son take hormones, because it was a family decision and one I was over ruled on. You hate me enough to call me a child abuser b/c I don't agree with your blanket condemnation of ALL parents of transkids.

Each and every single one of us, you hate and condemn.

You were 'over ruled', suggesting you were once capable of thinking about this sensibly but didn't have the courage of your convictions to not cave in. Interesting.

My preference would have been that my son wait for hormones until 18. I don't know how you function in your family, but single minded authoritarian isn't how we do things. My wife and son went forward on this ahead of me.

I don't think it was wrong for my family.

Consider how much contempt you have for me and my family, and how much you think you matter in our lives. Arrogance.

 

[Dhara]

You do not possess wisdom or even integrity. Anyone who disagrees with children being pumped full of damaging hormones is a hater to you, you don't even behave like an adult over this issue.

I have both wisdom and integrity and you know this. You are behaving just like the OP troll. Alligning yourself with gay haters.

I let my nearly 17 year old son take hormones, because it was a family decision and one I was over ruled on. You hate me enough to call me a child abuser b/c I don't agree with your blanket condemnation of ALL parents of transkids.

Each and every single one of us, you hate and condemn.

I suggest you stop bringing your own family into the discussion in the hope someone will take the bait so that you can play victim and report them.

Just attack her...she is trash, any child who is within her sphere of influence should be given a gun to shoot her with. She is a psychotic, reality denying ****. I read her tripe before.

She sees attacks against herself and her family even when that isn't what's happening. She then reports people for attacking her kid and her family, which is a bannable offence

I will only attack her... I know her history thanks to Lucy. You can't blame kids for what their parents did to them. Her children are victim of a reality challenged parent who sees being 'progressive' as more important than being a good parent.

New alliance, you, Lucy and Tilly.

 

[Tilly]

S

They are already using pubert delaying drugs on kids as young as 11. Delayin the puberty that might rescue them from their confusion. It's sick.

Sick is your hate and lack of understanding of those of us who actually parent such a kid, and seek to do so lovingly, compassionately and wisely. You're completely hateful to parents of LGBT youth.

You do not possess wisdom or even integrity. Anyone who disagrees with children being pumped full of damaging hormones is a hater to you, you don't even behave like an adult over this issue.

I have both wisdom and integrity and you know this. You are behaving just like the OP troll. Alligning yourself with gay haters.

I let my nearly 17 year old son take hormones, because it was a family decision and one I was over ruled on. You hate me enough to call me a child abuser b/c I don't agree with your blanket condemnation of ALL parents of transkids.

Each and every single one of us, you hate and condemn.

You were 'over ruled', suggesting you were once capable of thinking about this sensibly but didn't have the courage of your convictions to not cave in. Interesting.

My preference would have been that my son wait for hormones until 18. I don't know how you function in your family, but single minded authoritarian isn't how we do things. My wife and son went forward on this ahead of me.

I don't think it was wrong for my family.

Consider how much contempt you have for me and my family, and how much you think you matter in our lives. Arrogance.

So by agreeing with me that this stuff should be held off until someone is 18, you held your family in contempt? Interesting.

 

[Dhara]

SSick is your hate and lack of understanding of those of us who actually parent such a kid, and seek to do so lovingly, compassionately and wisely. You're completely hateful to parents of LGBT youth.

You do not possess wisdom or even integrity. Anyone who disagrees with children being pumped full of damaging hormones is a hater to you, you don't even behave like an adult over this issue.

I have both wisdom and integrity and you know this. You are behaving just like the OP troll. Alligning yourself with gay haters.

I let my nearly 17 year old son take hormones, because it was a family decision and one I was over ruled on. You hate me enough to call me a child abuser b/c I don't agree with your blanket condemnation of ALL parents of transkids.

Each and every single one of us, you hate and condemn.

You were 'over ruled', suggesting you were once capable of thinking about this sensibly but didn't have the courage of your convictions to not cave in. Interesting.

My preference would have been that my son wait for hormones until 18. I don't know how you function in your family, but single minded authoritarian isn't how we do things. My wife and son went forward on this ahead of me.

I don't think it was wrong for my family.

Consider how much contempt you have for me and my family, and how much you think you matter in our lives. Arrogance.

So by agreeing with me that this stuff should be held off until someone is 18, you held your family in contempt? Interesting.

You hold me and my family in contempt. I do neither.

 

[Dhara]

You hate my guts Tilly, because you think that my wife and son are wrong to have moved forward on him getting hormones.

Fine with me. Even though I have my own reservations about hormones before 18, you go ahead and hate on me, Tilly.

 

[Tilly]

You do not possess wisdom or even integrity. Anyone who disagrees with children being pumped full of damaging hormones is a hater to you, you don't even behave like an adult over this issue.

I have both wisdom and integrity and you know this. You are behaving just like the OP troll. Alligning yourself with gay haters.

I let my nearly 17 year old son take hormones, because it was a family decision and one I was over ruled on. You hate me enough to call me a child abuser b/c I don't agree with your blanket condemnation of ALL parents of transkids.

Each and every single one of us, you hate and condemn.

You were 'over ruled', suggesting you were once capable of thinking about this sensibly but didn't have the courage of your convictions to not cave in. Interesting.

My preference would have been that my son wait for hormones until 18. I don't know how you function in your family, but single minded authoritarian isn't how we do things. My wife and son went forward on this ahead of me.

I don't think it was wrong for my family.

Consider how much contempt you have for me and my family, and how much you think you matter in our lives. Arrogance.

So by agreeing with me that this stuff should be held off until someone is 18, you held your family in contempt? Interesting.

You hold me and my family in contempt. I do neither.

You've just said wanting to hold off on pumping kids full of hormones until they are 18 means you hold families who don't do this in contempt. You wanted this held off until the age of 18, ergo you were contemptuous. Interesting.

 

[Tilly]

You hate my guts Tilly, because you think that my wife and son are wrong to have moved forward on him getting hormones.

Fine with me. Even though I have my own reservations about hormones before 18, you go ahead and hate on me, Tilly.

Until you start babbling here, I don't even think about you or your family. You are of no interest to me whatsoever. Now, quit bringing your family up at every opportunity in an attempt to get people banned. Thanks.

 

[Dhara]

No, I don't hold families in contempt. YOU do. YOu hold us all equally in contempt. ANY parent of a trans kid no matter what we do.

Ii can disagree with some decisions, my wife took the lead on without hating her. You can't. Since I refuse to submit to your negative judgment of me, you hold me in contempt.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

You hate my guts Tilly, because you think that my wife and son are wrong to have moved forward on him getting hormones.

Fine with me. Even though I have my own reservations about hormones before 18, you go ahead and hate on me, Tilly.

Until you start babbling here, I don't even think about you or your family. You are of no interest to me whatsoever. Now, quit bringing your family up at every opportunity in an attempt to get people banned. Thanks.

Her playing the victim has become monotonous

 

[Dhara]

You hate my guts Tilly, because you think that my wife and son are wrong to have moved forward on him getting hormones.

Fine with me. Even though I have my own reservations about hormones before 18, you go ahead and hate on me, Tilly.

Until you start babbling here, I don't even think about you or your family. You are of no interest to me whatsoever. Now, quit bringing your family up at every opportunity in an attempt to get people banned. Thanks.

I will NOT be silenced on this. I will discuss my family whether you like it or not.

 

[Dhara]

You hate my guts Tilly, because you think that my wife and son are wrong to have moved forward on him getting hormones.

Fine with me. Even though I have my own reservations about hormones before 18, you go ahead and hate on me, Tilly.

Until you start babbling here, I don't even think about you or your family. You are of no interest to me whatsoever. Now, quit bringing your family up at every opportunity in an attempt to get people banned. Thanks.

Her playing the victim has become monotonous

And you're such a font of interest.