Raise Military Pay and Veterans Benefits

[ogibillm]

why? is the military having a difficult time filling the ranks?

 

[candycorn]

I agree wholeheartedly with the OP....sad to see that others don't.

With some, if it is partly cloudy out side, they'd be upset that it wasn't partly sunny. If it's raining, they want clear skies. If it were clear, they would want rain.

Whatcha gonna do?

silly reply Candy but THANKS anyway !!

I think she was talking about Paint; not you.

 

[candycorn]

why? is the military having a difficult time filling the ranks?

Not sure.

Their pay relative to other government workers who's most dangerous task is possibly getting attacked by Mr. Coffee is dubious at best however. Veterans of combat who saw horrors I wouldn't want to try to imagine should have top notch after-service care/counseling and opportunities in my view.

 

[ogibillm]

why? is the military having a difficult time filling the ranks?

Not sure.

Their pay relative to other government workers who's most dangerous task is possibly getting attacked by Mr. Coffee is dubious at best however. Veterans of combat who saw horrors I wouldn't want to try to imagine should have top notch after-service care/counseling and opportunities in my view.

i'm fine with making sure the medical care is up to snuff.

frankly though military pay and benefits are pretty good.

 

[candycorn]

why? is the military having a difficult time filling the ranks?

Not sure.

Their pay relative to other government workers who's most dangerous task is possibly getting attacked by Mr. Coffee is dubious at best however. Veterans of combat who saw horrors I wouldn't want to try to imagine should have top notch after-service care/counseling and opportunities in my view.

i'm fine with making sure the medical care is up to snuff.

frankly though military pay and benefits are pretty good.

I don't know if you saw it or not but I have a friend back home in Texas who has a relative who just got a job at a State warehouse making about $36,000 a year. I'm sure it's a decent job that earns $36,000 a year; I have no reason to believe otherwise. But a US Navy Lieutenant is making less than she is. This is amplified by the pretty good assumption that the guys on deck or the helm or (I think it includes the Marines) on maneuvers in some god-fosaken part of the world and are in harms way; are making less than she is .

If we (and I understand it's a State job vs. a federal job) can pay a warehouse worker $36K....surely we can pay people risking their lives for us more.

 

[ogibillm]

why? is the military having a difficult time filling the ranks?

Not sure.

Their pay relative to other government workers who's most dangerous task is possibly getting attacked by Mr. Coffee is dubious at best however. Veterans of combat who saw horrors I wouldn't want to try to imagine should have top notch after-service care/counseling and opportunities in my view.

i'm fine with making sure the medical care is up to snuff.

frankly though military pay and benefits are pretty good.

I don't know if you saw it or not but I have a friend back home in Texas who has a relative who just got a job at a State warehouse making about $36,000 a year. I'm sure it's a decent job that earns $36,000 a year; I have no reason to believe otherwise. But a US Navy Lieutenant is making less than she is. This is amplified by the pretty good assumption that the guys on deck or the helm or (I think it includes the Marines) on maneuvers in some god-fosaken part of the world and are in harms way; are making less than she is .

If we (and I understand it's a State job vs. a federal job) can pay a warehouse worker $36K....surely we can pay people risking their lives for us more.

you're giving base pay.
your friend at the warehouse, they won't get bah. they won't have their education paid for, and they'll be chipping in for their healthcare. they may or may not see a raise after a year, but it's pretty certain that an O2 will either be promoted or see a raise when they have more time in service. you did see that, right? the pay jumps $500/month just for having 2 years of experience. will your warehouse friend get a $6k raise after two years? how about a $7k raise the next year?

military pay is pretty good.

 

[pismoe]

why? is the military having a difficult time filling the ranks?

military is being remade under the current 'cic' . We know that fighting MEN won ww2 under 'roe' that was sensible as 'RoE' at that time just commanded that USA military go KILL the enemy . Nowadays 'rules of engagement' are silly and put USA soldiers in harms way . That said , the other problem is the 'social engineering' that is being done in USA military . [imo] , because I certainly wouldn't join USA military the way that it is being socially engineered !!

 

[pismoe]

only way to fix USA military is a new 'cIc' worthy of the title . Then the fixing of many of the policies put into place by mrobama . Then you will see patriotic young , hopefully men [men in the majority] signing up to be soldiers , warriors . And good 'roe' when USA soldiers are shipped out to fight and ordered to WIN the war .

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

 

[candycorn]

why? is the military having a difficult time filling the ranks?

Not sure.

Their pay relative to other government workers who's most dangerous task is possibly getting attacked by Mr. Coffee is dubious at best however. Veterans of combat who saw horrors I wouldn't want to try to imagine should have top notch after-service care/counseling and opportunities in my view.

i'm fine with making sure the medical care is up to snuff.

frankly though military pay and benefits are pretty good.

I don't know if you saw it or not but I have a friend back home in Texas who has a relative who just got a job at a State warehouse making about $36,000 a year. I'm sure it's a decent job that earns $36,000 a year; I have no reason to believe otherwise. But a US Navy Lieutenant is making less than she is. This is amplified by the pretty good assumption that the guys on deck or the helm or (I think it includes the Marines) on maneuvers in some god-fosaken part of the world and are in harms way; are making less than she is .

If we (and I understand it's a State job vs. a federal job) can pay a warehouse worker $36K....surely we can pay people risking their lives for us more.

you're giving base pay.
your friend at the warehouse, they won't get bah. they won't have their education paid for, and they'll be chipping in for their healthcare. they may or may not see a raise after a year, but it's pretty certain that an O2 will either be promoted or see a raise when they have more time in service. you did see that, right? the pay jumps $500/month just for having 2 years of experience. will your warehouse friend get a $6k raise after two years? how about a $7k raise the next year?

military pay is pretty good.

Considering they are potentially risking their lives and playing with toys that go boom...it should be. She won't be facing any of that. Nor will she be targeted when she is off duty at a casino or night club for simply wearing her uniform. Nor will she have to give up some of her rights to due process under the UCMJ.

There are trade offs.

 

[pismoe]

they VOLUTEER to do the job Candy . They know the deal same as police and other government employees . Same goes for fishermen and loggers , roofers that have very dangerous and average paying jobs that sometimes shut down because there are no fish , no logging or less or no roofs to fix [layoffs] . Course , they also VOLUNTEER for their jobs . All you gov guys VOLUNTEER and many beg for the job as gov employed people look for elevation over the taxpayers that pay their salaries and the government work is constant Candy .

 

[KGB]

VOLUNTEER military knows the rates of pay when the VOLUNTEER Candy !! SO , no pay raise in my opinon but they should get the best medical care !!

That is true.

My friend in Pasadena, TX has a cousin who got a State job working in a State of Texas warehouse. She will be making about $36,000 a year. I'm happy for her.

If you believe this chart, a Lieutennant in the Navy makes about as much as she will be making:

I know it's a volunteer deal and room and board are likely not included above but it seems as though we could calibrate the pay of a warehouse worker to that of perhaps an enlistee.

I'll always support more pay for the military, but this chart is a bit off & doesn't include bah. Plus you have to factor in Tricare. A Navy 03 makes more than $36k per year. It's closer to $50k

 

[pismoe]

and , quit importing enemies into the United States that target American military while they are in uniform in America Candy .

 

[2aguy]

I certainly hope that any of us of all political stripes can agree that we pay our soldiers way too little and give our veterans way too few benefits and hope that whomever is elected in 2017 work with Congress to rectify both situations.

wow..you are right.

 

[2aguy]

Money for nothing, in the second case, so glad you approve of welfare.

There nothing is worth more than any something most gave; as for welfare for veterans, guilty as charged.

Good to know, you approve of welfare.

it's not welfare...oh get welfare for having done nothing but to be in need...Vets served their country...often at great cost to themselves and their families...

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Money for nothing, in the second case, so glad you approve of welfare.

There nothing is worth more than any something most gave; as for welfare for veterans, guilty as charged.

Good to know, you approve of welfare.

it's not welfare...oh get welfare for having done nothing but to be in need...Vets served their country...often at great cost to themselves and their families...

They do nothing now and still get a check. Welfare.

 

[ogibillm]

Money for nothing, in the second case, so glad you approve of welfare.

There nothing is worth more than any something most gave; as for welfare for veterans, guilty as charged.

Good to know, you approve of welfare.

it's not welfare...oh get welfare for having done nothing but to be in need...Vets served their country...often at great cost to themselves and their families...

They do nothing now and still get a check. Welfare.

i'm not going to call military retirement welfare, but it's pretty nice.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Money for nothing, in the second case, so glad you approve of welfare.

There nothing is worth more than any something most gave; as for welfare for veterans, guilty as charged.

Good to know, you approve of welfare.

it's not welfare...oh get welfare for having done nothing but to be in need...Vets served their country...often at great cost to themselves and their families...

They do nothing now and still get a check. Welfare.

i'm not going to call military retirement welfare, but it's pretty nice.

Yup. I also get out of bed every morning with a lot of pain, which takes a lot of stretching so I can get around, so I can to the gym to try to extend the shelf life of this old body.

None of you who have not served have no idea about the toll a military life takes even on peacetime military personnel.

A simple example: we figured on 5 to 10% injury rate (from bumps to broken bones to death) on every parachute jump. I encounter one aviation accident (on the ground), two helicopter accidents (one into a river), and two parachute injuries (one of which really messed me up).

My experiences were nothing unique or special to the job. It was what it was. We were doing what we were paid to do. I have no problem with my VA benefits at all.

 

[candycorn]

they VOLUTEER to do the job Candy . They know the deal same as police and other government employees . Same goes for fishermen and loggers , roofers that have very dangerous and average paying jobs that sometimes shut down because there are no fish , no logging or less or no roofs to fix [layoffs] . Course , they also VOLUNTEER for their jobs . All you gov guys VOLUNTEER and many beg for the job as gov employed people look for elevation over the taxpayers that pay their salaries and the government work is constant Candy .

Ok. You made your point. I disagree.

 

[Desperado]

restart the DRAFT , get those women and girls . Course last war won was won by a mostly male military but lets give those women and girls a chance to storm the beaches as was done in WW2 . Nowadays they'll be storming the desert in 'syria' or eventually the 'dmz' in 'north korea' .

Just one problem, the military doesn't want conscription. Now what?

And neither do most right thinking Americans