Raw milk can be dangerous

[elektra]

raw milk, good stuff, I have drunk gallons of it, gallons and gallons as a kid. I liked the inch of cream on the top.

 

[rawmilkmike]

My two brothers and I caught Undulant fever from raw milk, it nearly killed my younger brother.
Undulant fever definition - Medical Dictionary Definitions of Popular Terms Defined on MedTerms

What makes you think it was caused by raw milk. Was raw milk your only food? Was it you only exposure risk?

 

[ogibillm]

raw milk kills infants. undeniable fact.

 

[rawmilkmike]

raw milk kills infants. undeniable fact.

That's a new one. Where's your proof? The CDC doesn't have any documented deaths from raw milk.

 

[koshergrl]

Raw milk actually increases likelihood of allergies.

Would you please post a citation supporting that statement?

She said she was just being sarcastic.

No I didn't.

Though I was engaging in a bit of hyperbole..but just a bit. I then posted articles which adamantly stated that there is absolutely no scientific evidence that raw milk will reduce allergies, and it's stupid to feed raw milk to children, who are the hardest hit by the pathogens that haunt raw milk.

 

[koshergrl]

raw milk kills infants. undeniable fact.

That's a new one. Where's your proof? The CDC doesn't have any documented deaths from raw milk.

"While many raw milk advocates say it has inherent nutritional advantages and even helps cure or ease the symptoms of ailments such as asthma and various allergies, most food-safety experts discount those claims as anecdotal, saying they’re not based on science. They also warn of the serious risks to human health associated with drinking milk that hasn’t been pasteurized."

A Mom and a Dairyman Plead Don t Feed Children Raw Milk Food Safety News

Oh..and incidentally...

"Campylobacter is common in the developing world, and travelers to foreign countries are at risk for becoming infected with Campylobacter. Approximately one-fifth (19%) of Campylobacter cases identified in FoodNet are associated with international travel."

CDC - Campylobacter General Information - NCZVED
Don't buy raw milk from people who hire undocumenteds. It's just another illness like tb that you are more likely to catch if you do.

 

[rawmilkmike]

raw milk kills infants. undeniable fact.

That's a new one. Where's your proof? The CDC doesn't have any documented deaths from raw milk.

"While many raw milk advocates say it has inherent nutritional advantages and even helps cure or ease the symptoms of ailments such as asthma and various allergies, most food-safety experts discount those claims as anecdotal, saying they’re not based on science. They also warn of the serious risks to human health associated with drinking milk that hasn’t been pasteurized."

A Mom and a Dairyman Plead Don t Feed Children Raw Milk Food Safety News

Oh..and incidentally...

"Campylobacter is common in the developing world, and travelers to foreign countries are at risk for becoming infected with Campylobacter. Approximately one-fifth (19%) of Campylobacter cases identified in FoodNet are associated with international travel."

CDC - Campylobacter General Information - NCZVED
Don't buy raw milk from people who hire undocumenteds. It's just another illness like tb that you are more likely to catch if you do.

koshergrl says: “raw milk kills infants. undeniable fact.”


rawmilkmike says: “That's a new one. Where's your proof? The CDC doesn't have any documented deaths from raw milk.”


koshergrl is speechless.

 

[koshergrl]

Look again, retard. I didn't say that.

 

[rawmilkmike]

Raw milk actually increases likelihood of allergies.

Says who?

Studies have shown! Do as you're told!

Name one.

Leading experts agree!

Trolling, are we?

Or maybe you need to re-calibrate your sarcasm filter.

So, you agree koshergrl's statement is absurd.

 

[rawmilkmike]

Look again, retard. I didn't say that.

My bag.

ogibillm said: “raw milk kills infants. undeniable fact.”

rawmilkmike says: “That's a new one. Where's your proof? The CDC doesn't have any documented deaths from raw milk.”

koshergrl spaces out.

 

[rawmilkmike]

Raw milk actually increases likelihood of allergies.

Would you please post a citation supporting that statement?

She said she was just being sarcastic.

No I didn't.

Though I was engaging in a bit of hyperbole..but just a bit. I then posted articles which adamantly stated that there is absolutely no scientific evidence that raw milk will reduce allergies, and it's stupid to feed raw milk to children, who are the hardest hit by the pathogens that haunt raw milk.

koshergrl, you are the one suggesting “it's stupid to feed raw milk to children”. You are the one with the burden of proof. I, like millions of other Americans who have switched to raw milk just want to be left alone. We aren't selling anything. If you think I'm lying when I say raw milk cured my hay fever and food allergies fine, then don't drink it.

 

[dblack]

Raw milk actually increases likelihood of allergies.

Says who?

Studies have shown! Do as you're told!

Name one.

Leading experts agree!

Trolling, are we?

Or maybe you need to re-calibrate your sarcasm filter.

So, you agree koshergrl's statement is absurd.

Not necessarily. I don't drink raw milk. But i don't think government has any business telling us what to eat or drink. Or think.

 

[rawmilkmike]

koshergrl agrees with ogibillm, “if you're drinking raw milk, you're an idiot.
it really isn't up for debate.”

“Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food.”
― Hippocrates

“There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the latter ignorance.”
― Hippocrates

If you think of raw milk as a medicine it's really a no-brainer. How would it's warning label compare to other medications, and how would it's effectiveness compare? The CDC, AMA, and FDA don't claim to have any proof that it doesn't work. They simply say our evidence is not published in their journals etc etc. The only people saying raw milk isn't the best thing since sliced bread are it's competitors.

 

[rawmilkmike]

"Two years ago, when Oregon parents Jill Brown and Jason Young met Brad and Tricia Salyers, the families had no idea that they would eventually be sharing in a tragedy that sickened four of the Salyers’ children and left Brown and Young’s youngest child, Kylee – 23 months old at the time – with such severe medical complications that she would need a kidney transplant from her mother.
"All of that and more happened beginning in April 2012 when the children were among 19 people – 15 of them under the age of 19 — who fell ill with E. coli O157:H7, a potentially fatal foodborne pathogen. Soon after, Oregon health officials determined that the outbreak was caused by raw milk from Foundation Farm near Wilsonville in Western Oregon — the Salyers’ family farm. Four of the sickened children were hospitalized with kidney failure.

"Foundation Farm had been providing 48 families with raw milk."

A Mom and a Dairyman Plead Don t Feed Children Raw Milk Food Safety News

Foundation Farm

That's 19 cases of diarrhea in more than 10 days for a group of over 150 people at a time when the surrounding community was going through it's rash of stomach flu.

The average American gets diarrhea 4 times a year. That means for a group that size over a 10 day period, the national average would be 16.

Did you see any proof that Kylee's diarrhea had anything to do with raw milk.

 

[rawmilkmike]

Raw milk actually increases likelihood of allergies.

This is not hyperbole. It is an outright lie. Pasteurized milk is the one that “increases the likelihood of allergies.” And there is a scientific basis for this statement.

 

[ogibillm]

raw milk kills infants. undeniable fact.

That's a new one. Where's your proof? The CDC doesn't have any documented deaths from raw milk.

"While many raw milk advocates say it has inherent nutritional advantages and even helps cure or ease the symptoms of ailments such as asthma and various allergies, most food-safety experts discount those claims as anecdotal, saying they’re not based on science. They also warn of the serious risks to human health associated with drinking milk that hasn’t been pasteurized."

A Mom and a Dairyman Plead Don t Feed Children Raw Milk Food Safety News

Oh..and incidentally...

"Campylobacter is common in the developing world, and travelers to foreign countries are at risk for becoming infected with Campylobacter. Approximately one-fifth (19%) of Campylobacter cases identified in FoodNet are associated with international travel."

CDC - Campylobacter General Information - NCZVED
Don't buy raw milk from people who hire undocumenteds. It's just another illness like tb that you are more likely to catch if you do.

koshergrl says: “raw milk kills infants. undeniable fact.”


rawmilkmike says: “That's a new one. Where's your proof? The CDC doesn't have any documented deaths from raw milk.”


koshergrl is speechless.

From 1998 through 2011, 148 outbreaks due to consumption of raw milk or raw milk products were reported to CDC. These resulted in 2,384 illnesses, 284 hospitalizations, and 2 deaths.

CDC - Raw Milk Questions and Answers - Food Safety

The impact of pasteurized milk on public health was nothing short of astounding. In 1885 the infant mortality rate in New York City was 273 per 1,000 live births -more than 27%. By 1915 the infant mortality rate was 94 per 1,000, a drop of two-thirds.

The Fight for Safe Milk Pasteurization - Neatorama

 

[ogibillm]

Raw milk actually increases likelihood of allergies.

This is not hyperbole. It is an outright lie. Pasteurized milk is the one that “increases the likelihood of allergies.” And there is a scientific basis for this statement.

no, there isn't.

 

[I.P.Freely]

My two brothers and I caught Undulant fever from raw milk, it nearly killed my younger brother.
Undulant fever definition - Medical Dictionary Definitions of Popular Terms Defined on MedTerms

What makes you think it was caused by raw milk. Was raw milk your only food? Was it you only exposure risk?

@rawmilkmike
I live in the UK. Undulant fever then was classified as a "notifiable disease" which meant department of health specialist descended on us.This was 55yrs ago and we had milk delivered from our local farm only.The Department of Health came to a very factual conclusion that it was the milk that infected us and six other neighbours kids.

 

[koshergrl]

koshergrl agrees with ogibillm, “if you're drinking raw milk, you're an idiot.
it really isn't up for debate.”

“Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food.”
― Hippocrates

“There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the latter ignorance.”
― Hippocrates

If you think of raw milk as a medicine it's really a no-brainer. How would it's warning label compare to other medications, and how would it's effectiveness compare? The CDC, AMA, and FDA don't claim to have any proof that it doesn't work. They simply say our evidence is not published in their journals etc etc. The only people saying raw milk isn't the best thing since sliced bread are it's competitors.

What the hell are you talking about?

And why prate hippocrates at me? I don't give a shit what hippocrates said, unless he said something about milk..which he didn't.

Your opinion is that raw milk is a great thing to feed kids, that it isn't risky, that it prevents allergies.

The science says the opposite. In fact, the science says the EXACT opposite, and public health professionals are BEGGING people to stop spreading those lies.

so maybe you should follow hippocrates' advice, bro.

 

[rawmilkmike]

koshergrl agrees with ogibillm, “if you're drinking raw milk, you're an idiot.
it really isn't up for debate.”

“Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food.”
― Hippocrates

“There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the latter ignorance.”
― Hippocrates

If you think of raw milk as a medicine it's really a no-brainer. How would it's warning label compare to other medications, and how would it's effectiveness compare? The CDC, AMA, and FDA don't claim to have any proof that it doesn't work. They simply say our evidence is not published in their journals etc etc. The only people saying raw milk isn't the best thing since sliced bread are it's competitors.

What the hell are you talking about?

And why prate hippocrates at me? I don't give a shit what hippocrates said, unless he said something about milk..which he didn't.

Your opinion is that raw milk is a great thing to feed kids, that it isn't risky, that it prevents allergies.

The science says the opposite. In fact, the science says the EXACT opposite, and public health professionals are BEGGING people to stop spreading those lies.

so maybe you should follow hippocrates' advice, bro.

What you mean to say is that public health professionals infer the EXACT opposite. If you knew of a study that says the EXACT opposite I'm sure you would have shared it by now. A competitor making an unsubstantiated inference is not science.