Raw milk can be dangerous

[koshergrl]

Yes, well, they insist that this respiratory bug is nothing to worry about too...while at the same time telling us that kids are being hospitalized and put on iron lungs.

 

[koshergrl]

"
Indeed, among immigrants, dairy farms are prized jobs. The money is better and the work is year-round, so they don't have to move their families back and forth following the growing seasons. As the immigration debate rages nationally - with some states deciding they need to enforce immigration laws themselves - the simple fact is that dairy farmers and migrant workers need each other.

Of the more than 12,000 hired workers on Wisconsin's dairy farms, roughly 40% are immigrants, according to UW-Madison associate professor Jill Harrison, who has written several studies on migrant labor in the dairy industry. The reliance on hired immigrants increases with the size of the farm. The majority of immigrant workers - 88.5% - come from Mexico, while most of the rest come from Central and South America.

"If there was a crackdown [on these workers], the dairy industry would face difficult times," Harrison says. "Cows need to be milked a couple of times a day."

Got migrants Undocumented workers are integral to the survival of Wisconsin dairy farms - Isthmus

Don't drink raw milk from dairy farms with undocumented workers, and you'll be just fine.

 

[rawmilkmike]

I imagine this was an undocumented immigrant worker.

They often work in dairies. They also test positive for TB quite frequently.

Cool...let's encourage more undocumented illegals to jump the borders, and put them to work handling our food. Good idea!

45 in Utah have campylobacteriosis from raw milk - CNN.com

You imagine this scenario due to your personal bias and bigotry. Do you have any evidence to back up your claim? No, of course you don't.

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Who should get tested for TB?

• A person who has symptoms of active TB disease
• A person who has been exposed to someone (a family member, friend, or co-worker) who has active TB disease
• A person who has HIV infection or certain medical illnesses such as diabetes or chronic kidney failure
• A person who is taking steroid or other immune suppressing drugs for chronic medical conditions
• A person who lives or works in a homeless shelter, prison, hospital, nursing home or other similar group setting
• A person who has recently come to the U.S. from a region with a lot of active TB such as Africa, Asia, the Caribbean, Eastern Europe, and Latin America"

Tuberculosis United Federation of Teachers

So, are they "a family member, friend, or co-worker"?

None of the above.

So then what is your issue?

 

[koshergrl]

I already stated my issue. X2 for you. I said that undocumented workers pose a higher health risk in dairies, and that statement was challenged...on two levels..#1, that they aren't really a higher health risk (which we all know is hogwash) and #2, that there isn't a high percental of undocumented illegals working in the dairy industry.

So I supported my statements.

So what's your issue?

 

[rawmilkmike]

"
Indeed, among immigrants, dairy farms are prized jobs. The money is better and the work is year-round, so they don't have to move their families back and forth following the growing seasons. As the immigration debate rages nationally - with some states deciding they need to enforce immigration laws themselves - the simple fact is that dairy farmers and migrant workers need each other.

Of the more than 12,000 hired workers on Wisconsin's dairy farms, roughly 40% are immigrants, according to UW-Madison associate professor Jill Harrison, who has written several studies on migrant labor in the dairy industry. The reliance on hired immigrants increases with the size of the farm. The majority of immigrant workers - 88.5% - come from Mexico, while most of the rest come from Central and South America.

"If there was a crackdown [on these workers], the dairy industry would face difficult times," Harrison says. "Cows need to be milked a couple of times a day."

Got migrants Undocumented workers are integral to the survival of Wisconsin dairy farms - Isthmus

Don't drink raw milk from dairy farms with undocumented workers, and you'll be just fine.

"550 milk cows in Buffalo County" That doesn't sound like a raw milk dairy.

 

[mdk]

I know the consequences of my actions. I don't need the government to make these choices for me. I am of sound mind and I am very capable making these decisions on my own without the help of the state.

 

[chikenwing]

The Health Benefits of Raw Milk from Grass-Fed Animals A Campaign for Real MilkA Campaign for Real Milk

Raw Milk Reality Benefits of Raw Milk

Food Inc. and the Milk Men CMH Gourmand

My family grew up on fresh raw milk right out of the bulk tank,good as it gets not one problem ever,unless you didn't shake the milk bottle before you poured some,other wise ya get all cream.

 

[rawmilkmike]

Don't drink raw milk from a dairy that hires illegals.

My mom taught me that.

PS..we never got sick from raw milk.

Has anyone?

 

[dblack]

People are too stupid to make these kinds of judgements for themselves. We need government to protect us by making the call for us. It's all good because we have democratic government. You know, "of the people, by the people" etc....

Uh... wait a minute. Hmmm....

 

[skye]

Fortunately I am allergic to cows milk. I only drink soy milk.

Raw milk cures food allergies.

my eye.

 

[koshergrl]

Don't drink raw milk from a dairy that hires illegals.

My mom taught me that.

PS..we never got sick from raw milk.

Has anyone?

Gotten sick from raw milk?

Have you read the OP?

 

[rawmilkmike]

I already stated my issue. X2 for you. I said that undocumented workers pose a higher health risk in dairies, and that statement was challenged...on two levels..#1, that they aren't really a higher health risk (which we all know is hogwash) and #2, that there isn't a high percental of undocumented illegals working in the dairy industry.

So I supported my statements.

So what's your issue?

First, the subject of illegal aliens is a red herring. It's an attempt to change the subject to republican dog whistle politics when we are talking about the banning of raw milk.

Second, The average dairy farm in Wisconsin is 100 cows not 500 or 27,000. The average raw milk dairy is somewhere between 3 and 65, not to likely to be hiring any full time migrant farm hands from Mexico.

Third, is there really a choice if there is only one farmer within 100 miles willing to sell raw milk directly to consumers?

Fourth, when was the last documented case of TB in a raw milk consumer?

Fifth, you didn't say “higher health risk” you said “They also test positive for TB quite frequently.” So you are backpedaling and trying to make a straw-man.

Sixth, of all the issues, you want to warn raw milk consumers about Mexicans? How about raising the minimum wage or requiring 24 paid holidays and 6 weeks paid vacation like in Europe? What do you think that would do to the unemployment rate in this country?

Seventh, how much of our food even comes from the US?

Eighth, if we weren't selling our cheap government subsidized corn down there they wouldn't be looking for work up here.

Ninth, are we talking about undocumented workers, immigrants, or just Mexican in general?

 

[koshergrl]

Meh.

Don't drink raw milk that's been handled by illegals. As I've shown, they are more likely to infect you with tb and a variety of other wonderful bugs.

We bought raw milk (when we didn't have our own cows) ONLY from people we knew, and trusted, and who milked the cows themselves.

Never sick. Not in all the years we bought raw milk from locals, or drank our own.

 

[rawmilkmike]

Don't drink raw milk from a dairy that hires illegals.

My mom taught me that.

PS..we never got sick from raw milk.

Has anyone?

Gotten sick from raw milk?

Have you read the OP?

Have you? Where's their evidence?

 

[rawmilkmike]

Fortunately I am allergic to cows milk. I only drink soy milk.

Raw milk cures food allergies.

my eye.

Switch to raw milk for a few months. See what happens. You don't have a weakened immune system do you?

 

[koshergrl]

I already stated my issue. X2 for you. I said that undocumented workers pose a higher health risk in dairies, and that statement was challenged...on two levels..#1, that they aren't really a higher health risk (which we all know is hogwash) and #2, that there isn't a high percental of undocumented illegals working in the dairy industry.

So I supported my statements.

So what's your issue?

First, the subject of illegal aliens is a red herring. It's an attempt to change the subject to republican dog whistle politics when we are talking about the banning of raw milk.

Second, The average dairy farm in Wisconsin is 100 cows not 500 or 27,000. The average raw milk dairy is somewhere between 3 and 65, not to likely to be hiring any full time migrant farm hands from Mexico.

Third, is there really a choice if there is only one farmer within 100 miles willing to sell raw milk directly to consumers.

Fourth, when was the last documented case of TB in a raw milk consumer.

Fifth, you didn't say “higher health risk” you said “They also test positive for TB quite frequently.” So you are backpedaling and trying to make a straw-man.

Sixth, of all the issues, you want to warn raw milk consumers about Mexicans? How about raising the minimum wage or requiring 24 paid holidays and 6 weeks paid vacation like in Europe? What do you think that would do to the unemployment rate in this country?

Seventh, how much of our food even comes from the US?

Eighth, if we weren't selling our cheap government subsidized corn down there they would be looking for work up here.

Ninth, are we talking about undocumented workers, immigrants, or just Mexican in general?

First, no, the topic of illegals ISN'T a red herring, when we are talking about how unhealthy raw milk is, based on the fact that a dairy worker infected a bunch of people with a case of the nasties. Raw milk is as dangerous as the people who handle it, and a lot of the people who are handling the milk in the dairies are ILLEGALS and therefore the risk of infection is HIGHER.

And given this " It's an attempt to change the subject to republican dog whistle politics when we are talking about the banning of raw milk" you really shouldn't be talking about red herrings anyway. I will just assume you felt you had to make a bogus accusation in order to justify your own ridiculous red herring.

Second, your second point is irrelevant.
Third, yes there is a choice, that choice is to not buy raw milk from morons like you who apparently don't give a shit if their undocumented workers are infecting people.

Fourth, "Several infectious diseases that are rare in the native US population occur often in the Latin American population (table 1). Risk factors for these infections include limited access to safe food and water, overcrowding, poor nutrition, and exposure to insect vectors. The infections noted in immigrants from Latin America partly reflect these exposures. For example, fecal contamination is common and results in an increased risk for enteric infections. Animal husbandry practices are less safe in Latin America than in the United States, and meat products are often sold informally without screening for parasites having been done. Milk products may not be pasteurized. Overcrowding and poor nutrition may amplify transmission of Mycobacterium tuberculosis and other respiratory pathogens. These exposures may continue after immigration to the United States [2]." Nough said. Infections in Hispanic Immigrants I am of the opinion that we take steps to AVOID infection of our milk supply...not wait until someone dies before engaging in safest practices.

Fifth, meh. Quibbling over semantics. Typical lefty obstructionism.

Sixth, I see it as an illegal immigrant issue, not necessarily a *mexican* issue...but you needed (again) a false statement so you could segue into you next big fat red herring, your lament about minimum wage. Sorry, not interested and it has nothing to do with the fact that it's risky to buy raw milk from places that hire illegals.

Seventh, oh look another red herring. Who cares? Not me. No relevance in this thread..but feel free to start another thread about..whatever it is you're trying to say here...

Eighth, again, oh look, a completely random commentary now about corn. Again, how does this influence the fact that it's stupid to buy raw milk that's been handled by undocumented workers?

Ninth, gads give it a rest, zealot.

 

[rawmilkmike]

I know the consequences of my actions. I don't need the government to make these choices for me. I am of sound mind and I am very capable making these decisions on my own without the help of the state.

Besides, these people have a conflict of interest. They are not our friends. The are our employees.

 

[koshergrl]

Raw milk actually increases likelihood of allergies.

 

[koshergrl]

"Two years ago, when Oregon parents Jill Brown and Jason Young met Brad and Tricia Salyers, the families had no idea that they would eventually be sharing in a tragedy that sickened four of the Salyers’ children and left Brown and Young’s youngest child, Kylee – 23 months old at the time – with such severe medical complications that she would need a kidney transplant from her mother.
"All of that and more happened beginning in April 2012 when the children were among 19 people – 15 of them under the age of 19 — who fell ill with E. coli O157:H7, a potentially fatal foodborne pathogen. Soon after, Oregon health officials determined that the outbreak was caused by raw milk from Foundation Farm near Wilsonville in Western Oregon — the Salyers’ family farm. Four of the sickened children were hospitalized with kidney failure.

"Foundation Farm had been providing 48 families with raw milk."

A Mom and a Dairyman Plead Don t Feed Children Raw Milk Food Safety News

 

[ogibillm]

if you're drinking raw milk, you're an idiot.
it really isn't up for debate.