Reagan & Conservatives -- Revisonist History 101

[Meathead]

You guys are not failures because of Reagan. You would have been anyway. When you come to that realization then you can actually work on closure.

 

[JoeB131]

You guys are not failures because of Reagan. You would have been anyway. When you come to that realization then you can actually work on closure.

Actually, it's the country that is weaker, not us.

Reagan turned us from a Creditor to a Debtor Nation.

 

[Oldstyle]

Interesting concept...correct me if I'm wrong, Joe...but last time I checked, it's Congress that controls the purse strings...it's Congress that controls spending. So if Reagan was working with Tip O'Neil for the bulk of his Presidency...wouldn't that mean that Democrats controlled spending just as much as Dutch Reagan?

Or are you trying to make the point that Tip O'Neal and his fellow Democrats just rubber stamped anything that Reagan wanted?

 

[Dad2three]

Interesting concept...correct me if I'm wrong, Joe...but last time I checked, it's Congress that controls the purse strings...it's Congress that controls spending. So if Reagan was working with Tip O'Neil for the bulk of his Presidency...wouldn't that mean that Democrats controlled spending just as much as Dutch Reagan?

Or are you trying to make the point that Tip O'Neal and his fellow Democrats just rubber stamped anything that Reagan wanted?

So it's NOT the Prez policy (Obama) that matters but Congress? PLEASE make up your mind. Reagan had a GOP Senate for 6 years too, Dems?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

One Obama deficit is bigger than all of Reagan's combined. If you judge Reagan poorly for "his" deficits you must think Obama is the biggest fail evet

 

[Oldstyle]

Interesting concept...correct me if I'm wrong, Joe...but last time I checked, it's Congress that controls the purse strings...it's Congress that controls spending. So if Reagan was working with Tip O'Neil for the bulk of his Presidency...wouldn't that mean that Democrats controlled spending just as much as Dutch Reagan?

Or are you trying to make the point that Tip O'Neal and his fellow Democrats just rubber stamped anything that Reagan wanted?

So it's NOT the Prez policy (Obama) that matters but Congress? PLEASE make up your mind. Reagan had a GOP Senate for 6 years too, Dems?

Normally that would be the case...but when you've got a President that essentially bypasses the Congress...then Congress becomes an afterthought. Barack Obama has decided that we should have a fourth branch of Government besides the Supreme Court, the Congress and the White House. He thinks that governmental agencies such as the EPA and the IRS should make and enforce law.

 

[Oldstyle]

Interesting concept...correct me if I'm wrong, Joe...but last time I checked, it's Congress that controls the purse strings...it's Congress that controls spending. So if Reagan was working with Tip O'Neil for the bulk of his Presidency...wouldn't that mean that Democrats controlled spending just as much as Dutch Reagan?

Or are you trying to make the point that Tip O'Neal and his fellow Democrats just rubber stamped anything that Reagan wanted?

So it's NOT the Prez policy (Obama) that matters but Congress? PLEASE make up your mind. Reagan had a GOP Senate for 6 years too, Dems?

Funny how Reagan could work with Congress...Clinton could work with Congress...Bush could work with Congress...but Obama can't and it's all the fault of Congress!

Even funnier is that we DIDN'T elect Mitt Romney who had a proven track record of working across the aisle when he was a Republican Governor in a solidly Democratic State.

 

[Indeependent]

Interesting concept...correct me if I'm wrong, Joe...but last time I checked, it's Congress that controls the purse strings...it's Congress that controls spending. So if Reagan was working with Tip O'Neil for the bulk of his Presidency...wouldn't that mean that Democrats controlled spending just as much as Dutch Reagan?

Or are you trying to make the point that Tip O'Neal and his fellow Democrats just rubber stamped anything that Reagan wanted?

So it's NOT the Prez policy (Obama) that matters but Congress? PLEASE make up your mind. Reagan had a GOP Senate for 6 years too, Dems?

Funny how Reagan could work with Congress...Clinton could work with Congress...Bush could work with Congress...but Obama can't and it's all the fault of Congress!

Even funnier is that we DIDN'T elect Mitt Romney who had a proven track record of working across the aisle when he was a Republican Governor in a solidly Democratic State.

There is way too much money at stake in the post-Credit Default Swap Crash era.

 

[Dad2three]

One Obama deficit is bigger than all of Reagan's combined. If you judge Reagan poorly for "his" deficits you must think Obama is the biggest fail evet

Let me know when Obama triples the debt like Reagan


(Bush) Economic Downturn and Bush Policies Continue to Drive Large Projected Deficits

Economic Recovery Measures, Financial Rescues Have Only Temporary Impact

Tax Cuts, War Costs Do Lasting Harm to Budget Outlook

Some commentators blame major legislation adopted in 2008-2010 — the stimulus bill and other recovery measures and the financial rescues — for today’s record deficits. Yet those costs pale next to other policies enacted since 2001 that have swollen the deficit. Those other policies may be less conspicuous now, because many were enacted some years ago and they have long since been absorbed into CBO’s and other organizations’ budget projections.

Just two policies dating from the Bush Administration — tax cuts and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan — accounted for over $500 billion of the deficit in 2009 and will account for $7 trillion in deficits in 2009 through 2019, including the associated debt-service costs


Economic Downturn and Bush Policies Continue to Drive Large Projected Deficits ? Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

 

[Dad2three]

Interesting concept...correct me if I'm wrong, Joe...but last time I checked, it's Congress that controls the purse strings...it's Congress that controls spending. So if Reagan was working with Tip O'Neil for the bulk of his Presidency...wouldn't that mean that Democrats controlled spending just as much as Dutch Reagan?

Or are you trying to make the point that Tip O'Neal and his fellow Democrats just rubber stamped anything that Reagan wanted?

So it's NOT the Prez policy (Obama) that matters but Congress? PLEASE make up your mind. Reagan had a GOP Senate for 6 years too, Dems?

Funny how Reagan could work with Congress...Clinton could work with Congress...Bush could work with Congress...but Obama can't and it's all the fault of Congress!

Even funnier is that we DIDN'T elect Mitt Romney who had a proven track record of working across the aisle when he was a Republican Governor in a solidly Democratic State.

Got it, Clinton the guy who the GOP fought EVERY step of the way, 'worked with' the GOP Congress *shaking head*

Shows how extreme the GOP has become the past 20 years


Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.


The GOP has become an insurgent outlier in American politics. It is ideologically extreme; scornful of compromise; unmoved by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition.

When one party moves this far from the mainstream, it makes it nearly impossible for the political system to deal constructively with the country’s challenges.

“Both sides do it” or “There is plenty of blame to go around” are the traditional refuges for an American news media intent on proving its lack of bias, while political scientists prefer generality and neutrality when discussing partisan polarization. Many self-styled bipartisan groups, in their search for common ground, propose solutions that move both sides to the center, a strategy that is simply untenable when one side is so far out of reach.


It is clear that the center of gravity in the Republican Party has shifted sharply to the right. Its once-legendary moderate and center-right legislators in the House and the Senate — think Bob Michel, Mickey Edwards, John Danforth, Chuck Hagel — are virtually extinct.

The post-McGovern Democratic Party, by contrast, while losing the bulk of its conservative Dixiecrat contingent in the decades after the civil rights revolution, has retained a more diverse base.



Let?s just say it: The Republicans are the problem. - The Washington Post

 

[Oldstyle]

So it's NOT the Prez policy (Obama) that matters but Congress? PLEASE make up your mind. Reagan had a GOP Senate for 6 years too, Dems?

Funny how Reagan could work with Congress...Clinton could work with Congress...Bush could work with Congress...but Obama can't and it's all the fault of Congress!

Even funnier is that we DIDN'T elect Mitt Romney who had a proven track record of working across the aisle when he was a Republican Governor in a solidly Democratic State.

Got it, Clinton the guy who the GOP fought EVERY step of the way, 'worked with' the GOP Congress *shaking head*

Shows how extreme the GOP has become the past 20 years


Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.


The GOP has become an insurgent outlier in American politics. It is ideologically extreme; scornful of compromise; unmoved by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition.

When one party moves this far from the mainstream, it makes it nearly impossible for the political system to deal constructively with the country’s challenges.

“Both sides do it” or “There is plenty of blame to go around” are the traditional refuges for an American news media intent on proving its lack of bias, while political scientists prefer generality and neutrality when discussing partisan polarization. Many self-styled bipartisan groups, in their search for common ground, propose solutions that move both sides to the center, a strategy that is simply untenable when one side is so far out of reach.


It is clear that the center of gravity in the Republican Party has shifted sharply to the right. Its once-legendary moderate and center-right legislators in the House and the Senate — think Bob Michel, Mickey Edwards, John Danforth, Chuck Hagel — are virtually extinct.

The post-McGovern Democratic Party, by contrast, while losing the bulk of its conservative Dixiecrat contingent in the decades after the civil rights revolution, has retained a more diverse base.



Let?s just say it: The Republicans are the problem. - The Washington Post

You know what? When you constantly declare that everyone but you is at fault...it's usually time to step back and ask yourself if maybe YOU'RE the problem and NOT everyone else!

As I said before...Reagan worked things out with O'Neal...Clinton worked things out with Gingrich...Bush worked things out with Pelosi...but for some reason Barack Obama can't work ANYTHING out with the GOP House! What is "clear" is that Barry doesn't like to compromise. He likes getting his way. When he doesn't get his way...he starts accusing his opponents of being "obstructionists". Well, the reality is that those GOP House members are not there to help Barack Obama push a progressive agenda. I'm sorry...but they AREN'T! So if Obama really WAS the intelligent guy that all you folks on the left declared that he was...then he'd understand that in order for the country to function that he's going to have to come to the table and make deals. He's going to have to learn to do something that so far he's shown absolutely ZERO aptitude for...the building of bi-partisan coalitions. That takes hard work. It takes working behind closed doors to hammer out compromise and refraining from publicly attacking the other party with EVERY speech you give!

 

[Dad2three]

Funny how Reagan could work with Congress...Clinton could work with Congress...Bush could work with Congress...but Obama can't and it's all the fault of Congress!

Even funnier is that we DIDN'T elect Mitt Romney who had a proven track record of working across the aisle when he was a Republican Governor in a solidly Democratic State.

Got it, Clinton the guy who the GOP fought EVERY step of the way, 'worked with' the GOP Congress *shaking head*

Shows how extreme the GOP has become the past 20 years


Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.


The GOP has become an insurgent outlier in American politics. It is ideologically extreme; scornful of compromise; unmoved by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition.

When one party moves this far from the mainstream, it makes it nearly impossible for the political system to deal constructively with the country’s challenges.

“Both sides do it” or “There is plenty of blame to go around” are the traditional refuges for an American news media intent on proving its lack of bias, while political scientists prefer generality and neutrality when discussing partisan polarization. Many self-styled bipartisan groups, in their search for common ground, propose solutions that move both sides to the center, a strategy that is simply untenable when one side is so far out of reach.


It is clear that the center of gravity in the Republican Party has shifted sharply to the right. Its once-legendary moderate and center-right legislators in the House and the Senate — think Bob Michel, Mickey Edwards, John Danforth, Chuck Hagel — are virtually extinct.

The post-McGovern Democratic Party, by contrast, while losing the bulk of its conservative Dixiecrat contingent in the decades after the civil rights revolution, has retained a more diverse base.



Let?s just say it: The Republicans are the problem. - The Washington Post

You know what? When you constantly declare that everyone but you is at fault...it's usually time to step back and ask yourself if maybe YOU'RE the problem and NOT everyone else!

As I said before...Reagan worked things out with O'Neal...Clinton worked things out with Gingrich...Bush worked things out with Pelosi...but for some reason Barack Obama can't work ANYTHING out with the GOP House! What is "clear" is that Barry doesn't like to compromise. He likes getting his way. When he doesn't get his way...he starts accusing his opponents of being "obstructionists". Well, the reality is that those GOP House members are not there to help Barack Obama push a progressive agenda. I'm sorry...but they AREN'T! So if Obama really WAS the intelligent guy that all you folks on the left declared that he was...then he'd understand that in order for the country to function that he's going to have to come to the table and make deals. He's going to have to learn to do something that so far he's shown absolutely ZERO aptitude for...the building of bi-partisan coalitions. That takes hard work. It takes working behind closed doors to hammer out compromise and refraining from publicly attacking the other party with EVERY speech you give!

Weird, it seems like 'working things out' with Clinton was $40+ million on investigations and impeachment and closing down Gov't THEN the GOP learned the US wasn't 'with them'

Dubya worked with Pelosi? Oh I guess why he had one veto under the GOP Congress for 6 years (stem cell, lol) and 11 for the Dems in 2 years?

GOP has been so effective at obstruction Obama has only had 2

GOP/TP have become the outliner party...


Compromise rulings on The Obameter

Increase the capital gains and dividends taxes for higher-income taxpayers

Increase capital gains and dividends taxes from 15 to 20 percent for those making more than $250,000 (couples) or $200,000

Eliminate capital gains taxes for small businesses and start-ups

Expand the earned income tax credit

Double funding for the Manufacturing Extension Partnership, a program that encourages manufacturing efficiency

Include environmental and labor standards in trade agreements

Make permanent the Research & Development tax credit

Establish a small business initiative for rural America

Create a tax credit of $500 for workers

Enforce pay-as-you-go (PAYGO) budget rules

Create more public-private business incubators for poor communities

Freeze the 2009 estate tax law




SIX PLUS MORE PAGES HERE

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/compromise/

 

[gipper]

So it's NOT the Prez policy (Obama) that matters but Congress? PLEASE make up your mind. Reagan had a GOP Senate for 6 years too, Dems?

Funny how Reagan could work with Congress...Clinton could work with Congress...Bush could work with Congress...but Obama can't and it's all the fault of Congress!

Even funnier is that we DIDN'T elect Mitt Romney who had a proven track record of working across the aisle when he was a Republican Governor in a solidly Democratic State.

Got it, Clinton the guy who the GOP fought EVERY step of the way, 'worked with' the GOP Congress *shaking head*

Shows how extreme the GOP has become the past 20 years


Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.


The GOP has become an insurgent outlier in American politics. It is ideologically extreme; scornful of compromise; unmoved by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition.

When one party moves this far from the mainstream, it makes it nearly impossible for the political system to deal constructively with the country’s challenges.

“Both sides do it” or “There is plenty of blame to go around” are the traditional refuges for an American news media intent on proving its lack of bias, while political scientists prefer generality and neutrality when discussing partisan polarization. Many self-styled bipartisan groups, in their search for common ground, propose solutions that move both sides to the center, a strategy that is simply untenable when one side is so far out of reach.


It is clear that the center of gravity in the Republican Party has shifted sharply to the right. Its once-legendary moderate and center-right legislators in the House and the Senate — think Bob Michel, Mickey Edwards, John Danforth, Chuck Hagel — are virtually extinct.

The post-McGovern Democratic Party, by contrast, while losing the bulk of its conservative Dixiecrat contingent in the decades after the civil rights revolution, has retained a more diverse base.



Let?s just say it: The Republicans are the problem. - The Washington Post

You really believe the R party is extremist? Really?

Do you get your information from MSLSD and the DNC (pretty much one in the same).

Apparently if an R congress does not rubber stamp everything your Messiah demands, they are to be considered extreme.

The R party is a progressive party...apparently not progressive enough for you though.

 

[regent]

When Obama was elected the Republicans announced their goal. shut down the government, and to that end Republicans have been fairly successful. It seems like this tactic to shut down government if not elected, is not good for the nation. Will it now become a Democratic tactic also? Should we now expect this shut-down-the-government after every election?
Is the answer to this shut-down-the-government to only elect Republicans in the future?
Why can't Republicans just win elections on their own and not shut down the country?

 

[Meathead]

When Obama was elected the Republicans announced their goal. shut down the government, and to that end Republicans have been fairly successful. It seems like this tactic to shut down government if not elected, is not good for the nation. Will it now become a Democratic tactic also? Should we now expect this shut-down-the-government after every election?
Is the answer to this shut-down-the-government to only elect Republicans in the future?
Why can't Republicans just win elections on their own and not shut down the country?

You can't shut down the country, as you put it, if you haven't won elections.

Obama's pretty much fudged up everything he's touched. The sense of shutting down government is pretty sound. If you expect anything else in a lame-duck period, you're going to be disappointed.

 

[Uncensored2008]

So Hoover, in office for 8 months before the stock market crashed, was to blame for Harding/Coolidge's 'laizze affair' failure of the '20's?

Funny, you hack Communists blame Bush for 9/11, when he was in office less than 8 months.

But then, you're not rational, you are a paid demagogue.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I actually voted for him twice also, then I grew a brain and never have voted for a GOPer since

BWAHAHAHAHAHAH

Yeah, the ThinkProgress script.

Yeah, we've never heard that one before....

 

[Uncensored2008]

Reagan was simply never REALLY in charge of anything...when he found out about Iran/Contra and that his people really had been running drugs and using the money to buy and trade guns/hostages with Iran he spent DAYS in his pajamas, watching his old movies.

Reagan talked about freedom, he gave us the drug war. He talked about Rule of Law, he gave us Iran/Contra. He talked about fiscal responsibility, he ran $300 billion dollar deficits, He talked about smaller government and expanded government in both size and scope...not-so-great a record. I voted for him, twice, BTW.

I actually voted for him twice also, then I grew a brain and never have voted for a GOPer since

LOL!!

Walks in with the "I Used ta be a Republican" Script!!!

Priceless!!!

I guess his handler failed to tell him that JoeB Stalin and Fakey JakeStarky were already dispatched with that script....

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Wow, ALMOST a whole year (OK, 8 months) before Harding//Coolidge's big crash happened? I know, lets blame Hoover right? lol


Sorry you can't be honest and all you have is AEI talking points trying to rewrite the REAL cause of the conservatives depression!

Dude crusader retard IS correct that Hoover is to blame for that.Calvin Coolidge was our last decent republican president we had.the last one who wasnt corrupt and evil who served the people. Crusader retard is right about that.he just lives in denial that Reagan at the time was the most corrupt president we ever had till the rest of them afterwards started topping him and I see you STILL havent watch that video The Obama deception yet. Looks like I am going tohave to ask THE LIQ since i cant get an answer from you on that,

Hoover is indeed to blame for that indeed..Harding and Coolidge had us on the right track and Hoover came and wrecked the economy.thats a historic fact.Every president since Hoover other than JFK was a puppet for the bankers and served them. american became a facist dictatership once Hoover got in office.we never recoverd after that,

So Hoover, in office for 8 months before the stock market crashed, was to blame for Harding/Coolidge's 'laizze affair' failure of the '20's?

The 20's were a failure?

LOL

What I love about you paid Progressive Talking Points Spewers is there's no end to the lies you must tell. If you had any shame or brains, you'd be embarrassed

 

[regent]

When Obama was elected the Republicans announced their goal. shut down the government, and to that end Republicans have been fairly successful. It seems like this tactic to shut down government if not elected, is not good for the nation. Will it now become a Democratic tactic also? Should we now expect this shut-down-the-government after every election?
Is the answer to this shut-down-the-government to only elect Republicans in the future?
Why can't Republicans just win elections on their own and not shut down the country?

You can't shut down the country, as you put it, if you haven't won elections.

Obama's pretty much fudged up everything he's touched. The sense of shutting down government is pretty sound. If you expect anything else in a lame-duck period, you're going to be disappointed.

So If you win one half of one branch then it's OK to shut down government?
This is not a lame duck period, there has been no election and no one is serving that has not been reelected.