Redacted Affadavit officially released

[Marener]

Oh no, I believe it based on history. That's a reasonable position.

Trump’s history is far more relevant.

 

[Marener]

What did the letter say? Was it in this stack:

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“As I previously indicated to you, Mar-a-Lago does not include a secure location authorized for the storage of classified inf01mation. As such, it appears that since the time classified documents were removed from the secure facilities at the White House and moved to Mar-a-Lago on or around Januaiy 20, 2021, they have not been handled in au approp1iate manner or stored in au appropriate location. Accordingly, we ask that the room at Mar-a-Lago where the documents had been stored be secured and that all of the boxes that were moved from the White House to Mar-a-Lago (along with any other items in that room) be preserved in that room in their cunent condition lmtil farther notice.”

 

[Seymour Flops]

Yes he does he can declassify whatever he wants. But there’s a process to do it. If he did it then there will be a paper trail. It’s not that complicated

What's the process, and where can I read about the process that limits what the USSC said was the president's constitutional power?

Who wrote that process and how were they able to over-ride the Constitution with a process paper?

 

[Rambunctious]

This is blowing up in Garland's face today....

 

[Leo123]

WASHINGTON — The Justice Department asked to search President Donald J. Trump’s Florida residence after retrieving an initial batch of highly classified national security documents, out of concern that their disclosure could compromise “clandestine human sources” used in intelligence gathering, according to a redacted version of the affidavit used to obtain the warrant.

The affidavit — including more than three dozen pages of evidence and legal arguments presented by the Justice Department’s national security division plus supporting documents — describes the government’s months long push to recover highly classified materials taken from the White House by a former president who viewed state documents as his private property.

Release of affidavit for Mar-a-Lago search: Affidavit Cites Trump’s Refusal to Return Secret Documents (Published 2022)

A redacted affidavit released on Friday said the former president took highly classified national security documents from the White House. Officials feared their disclosure could compromise clandestine sources.

www.nytimes.com

What national interest was served by Trump improperly taking the docs? None. Because he doesn't think that way. In his mind, everything takes a back seat to his interests.

They want Crossfire Hurricane docs.

 

[struth]

Seems clear now more then ever this was all political motivated.

 

[Rambunctious]

The Affidavit is unlike any affidavit ever drawn up before... and the warrant reads like a fishing expedition.....

 

[Seymour Flops]

“As I previously indicated to you, Mar-a-Lago does not include a secure location authorized for the storage of classified inf01mation. As such, it appears that since the time classified documents were removed from the secure facilities at the White House and moved to Mar-a-Lago on or around Januaiy 20, 2021, they have not been handled in au approp1iate manner or stored in au appropriate location. Accordingly, we ask that the room at Mar-a-Lago where the documents had been stored be secured and that all of the boxes that were moved from the White House to Mar-a-Lago (along with any other items in that room) be preserved in that room in their cunent condition lmtil farther notice.”

I can't believe that you posted that!

The FBI instructed Trump to keep those documents in that room at Mar-a-Largo, and then used his keeping them there to justify a search warrant?

Whoever made that decision committed career suicide.

 

[WEATHER53]

FBI found 184 classified documents in boxes returned by Trump, redacted affidavit says, prompting search

The affidavit used to justify the Aug. 8 search at Mar-a-Lago says that the FBI found 25 documents marked “top secret” among 15 boxes Trump gave back to the National Archives earlier this year.

www.nbcnews.com

A couple of things from the NBC reporting of this:

The judge who had recused himself in an earlier case about Trump, because he knew he was too biased for any ruling he made to be legitimate said this:

Reinhart approved the warrant that allowed federal agents to search Trump’s Florida property Aug. 8 after determining that the affidavit provided probable cause. He reiterated earlier this week that he found “probable cause that evidence of multiple federal crimes would be found” at Mar-a-Lago and that he “was — and am — satisfied that the facts sworn by the affiant are reliable.”

Given the FBI's recent and fulsome history of lying and falsifying documents to get anti-Trump warrants, how can the judge reasonably be satisfied that the facts sworn by an FBI agent are reliable?

The 36-page affidavit, much of which was heavily redacted, said that in mid-May, FBI agents conducted a preliminary review of the contents of 15 boxes Trump returned to the National Archives from his Florida property in January, and "identified documents with classification markings in fourteen of the FIFTEEN BOXES."

The affidavit said that agents found 184 unique documents that had classification markings. It stated that 25 documents were marked as "TOP SECRET," 67 documents marked as "confidential" and 92 marked "secret." According to the affidavit, agents observed markings denoting various control systems designed to protect various types of sensitive information, including markings that designate intelligence gathered by "clandestine human sources," such as a report by a CIA officer or someone who works for the Defense Intelligence Agency.

So, this action was taken against Trump because he (allegedly) returned documents with classification markings. I guess Hillary was smart to use that Bleachbit and those hammers instead of returning the emails.

Suspicion that you might find something harmful to Trump is Not probable cause and finding such after unauthorized entry is inadmissible.
You need more than “feelings” to break into a Presidents home, you need fact evidence beforehand. You can’t claim fact evidence After the illegal entry.

 

[j-mac]

Yes he does he can declassify whatever he wants. But there’s a process to do it. If he did it then there will be a paper trail. It’s not that complicated

"He had a standing order that documents removed from the Oval Office and taken into the residence were deemed to be declassified," the statement added. "The power to classify and declassify documents rests solely with the President of the United States. The idea that some paper-pushing bureaucrat, with classification authority delegated BY THE PRESIDENT, needs to approve of declassification is absurd."

Two former senior aides who worked for Trump in the latter half of his term said they were aware that Trump routinely took documents to the residence rather than return them to the Staff Secretary or the intelligence official who provided them. Asked whether there was a standing order, one former official "I don't know anyone or anything that disputes that."

Ordinarily, documents declassified by a president are later retrieved and marked declassified, usually by crossing a line through the prior classification markings. But former top aides to prior presidents acknowledged the president's power to declassify was absolute and at times resulted in instant declassification decisions."

BREAKING: Trump describes process of how he declassified documents found at Mar-a-Lago

Former president's office says there was standing order that classified memos automatically declassified if moved to residence.

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[Slade3200]

What's the process, and where can I read about the process that limits what the USSC said was the president's constitutional power?

Who wrote that process and how were they able to over-ride the Constitution with a process paper?

It’s not a limit on his power. The power is there. It’s simply the process that is undertaken to enact the power

 

[WEATHER53]

Quite the contrary. With so many redactions, we now know how many sensitive documents there are. It's not about how much has changed, it's about how nothing has. Get it?

That's why this is so damning for Trump.

So the lack of evidence is more damning then if evidence was presented???
Only in lib loon land

 

[toobfreak]

Redacted Affadavit officially released​

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[Meister]

We still don’t really know anything about what he had. The release of this overly redacted affidavit told us very little new information.

I suspect that the DOJ is trying to collect and destroy / hide information pertaining to Operation Crossfire Hurricane.

Yup, they need to protect Hillary and Obama at any cost.

 

[Slade3200]

"He had a standing order that documents removed from the Oval Office and taken into the residence were deemed to be declassified," the statement added. "The power to classify and declassify documents rests solely with the President of the United States. The idea that some paper-pushing bureaucrat, with classification authority delegated BY THE PRESIDENT, needs to approve of declassification is absurd."

Two former senior aides who worked for Trump in the latter half of his term said they were aware that Trump routinely took documents to the residence rather than return them to the Staff Secretary or the intelligence official who provided them. Asked whether there was a standing order, one former official "I don't know anyone or anything that disputes that."

Ordinarily, documents declassified by a president are later retrieved and marked declassified, usually by crossing a line through the prior classification markings. But former top aides to prior presidents acknowledged the president's power to declassify was absolute and at times resulted in instant declassification decisions."

BREAKING: Trump describes process of how he declassified documents found at Mar-a-Lago

Former president's office says there was standing order that classified memos automatically declassified if moved to residence.

adnamerica.com

A standing order?! Haha Polly wanna cracker?? Look he either declassified them or he didn’t. If he did then the proper line of communications would be in order and traceable so that the rest of the government knows what’s classified or not. If he did declassify then the paperwork would show it. We both know it’s not there. This was an excuse he made up after he got busted. Right? Can we just be honest?

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

And nothing has changed in the last 24 hours... IT still comes down to Trumps authority to declassify and the PRA authority to possess.

Which he didn't...and doesn't have the authority to take those documents and store them in an unsecured location.

He is in DEEP shit.

 

[j-mac]

It’s not a limit on his power. The power is there. It’s simply the process that is undertaken to enact the power

Show us where this process is laid out....Not taking your word for it, sorry....

And regardless of what you think you are going to find to back up your argument here, let me help you just a bit....

"Obama's executive order no. 13526, issued in 2009, laid out the stringent process all federal officials and agencies needed to follow for declassification, but explicitly exempted the sitting president and vice president from having to follow those procedures.

"Information originated by the incumbent President or the incumbent Vice President; the incumbent President’s White House Staff or the incumbent Vice President’s Staff; committees, commissions, or boards appointed by the incumbent President; or other entities within the Executive Office of the President that solely advise and assist the incumbent President is exempted from the provisions of paragraph (a) of this section," the Obama order stated."

 

[Marener]

I can't believe that you posted that!

The FBI instructed Trump to keep those documents in that room at Mar-a-Largo, and then used his keeping them there to justify a search warrant?

Whoever made that decision committed career suicide.

No, they instructed Trump that he was not authorized to have any such documents there.

The next redacted section explains why they thought the documents were still there even though they were just instructed that the presence of those documents was not authorized. P

 

[j-mac]

A standing order?! Haha Polly wanna cracker?? Look he either declassified them or he didn’t. If he did then the proper line of communications would be in order and traceable so that the rest of the government knows what’s classified or not. If he did declassify then the paperwork would show it. We both know it’s not there. This was an excuse he made up after he got busted. Right? Can we just be honest?

Maybe, maybe not....I would think that the DoJ if feverishly searching for someone in the administration's closing days that knew of this "standing order".... If for nothing else then to deflect from their own political reasons for this whole thing in the first place...

 

[j-mac]

No, they instructed Trump that he was not authorized to have any such documents there.

The next redacted section explains why they thought the documents were still there even though they were just instructed that the presence of those documents was not authorized. P

How would you know what the redacted sections say, or don't say?