Remember when Trump was attacking NATO? Thank your lucky stars he was fired.

[NotfooledbyW]

There is no genocide going on in Ukraine.

There are 400,000 human beings freezing starving dehydrating in the sieged city of Mariupol as they are surrounded by Russian forces and sea. Putin‘s armies are cowards. Shelling the city from 30 km away and shooting them if they try to escape. If that’s not genocide as a tactic I do not know what it is. Russian cowards. Why haven’t you joined them? They’re taking applications.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Russia has made it clear for thirty years Ukraine and Georgia will NOT become NATO/IMF states.

Putin has no say in it. Committing jackboot fascist genocide to have a say is an atrocity.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Putin's war crimes in Ukraine pale in comparison

What was this bomber pilot doing in Ukrainian airspace dropping bombs on residential buildings full of oeaceful

Captured Russian Pilot Says He Was Ordered to Hit Civilian Targets BY BRENDAN COLE ON 3/11/22 AT 10:33 AM EST​

Video of a Russian pilot apparently admitting he had been ordered to bomb a civilian target has been widely shown on Ukrainian media.​

During a press conference streamed by Interfax Ukraine, the pilot, who gave his name as Maxim Krishtop, described how he had learned of his orders, which he carried out before being shot down on March 6 and captured by Ukrainian forces.​

"In the process of completing the task, I realized that the target was not enemy military facilities, but residential buildings, peaceful people.​

Captured Russian pilot says he was ordered to hit civilian targets

Interfax Ukraine showed a press conference with Maxim Krishtop, who was captured after his plane was shot down.

www.newsweek.com

"But I carried out the criminal order," said Krishtop, a lieutenant colonel and deputy commander of the 47th Aviation Regiment, adding that he was shot down by Ukraine's air defense system and taken prisoner.​

He said he carried out three bombing missions in Ukraine, some of which involved deploying FAB-500— Soviet-era air-dropped bombs with a high-explosive warhead​

So he dropped bombs on civilian targets georgephillip to accomplish what military objective? Keeping them from joining NATO is not a legitimate military objective.

 

[surada]

God, you're an idiot! What does Jan. 6th have to do with Putin feeling emboldened to attack Ukraine under a totally different President? Biden was never "tough" on anyone! He thinks he can use diplomatic means to sway Putin and Putin sees that as weakness. If Biden really wanted to be tough on Putin he'd embargo Russian oil and natural gas but he's too spineless to do so! That's a corner Biden has painted himself into after bowing to the far left and hamstringing our own oil and natural gas production.

How did Biden hamstring US natural gas?

 

[Oldestyle]

How did Biden hamstring US natural gas?

Are you on the left REALLY so uninformed that you don't know Joe Biden started a "war" against the fossil fuel industry his first week in office? The Biden push for a "Green New Deal" was proceeded by moves to make oil and natural gas more expensive!

 

[Mushroom]

If Biden really wanted to be tough on Putin he'd embargo Russian oil and natural gas but he's too spineless to do so!

And exactly how much Natural Gas does the US get from Russia?

Hmm, I think it is somewhere between 0% and 0%. The US is actually the Number 2 natural gas exporter in the world, second only behind Russia.

So literally, that would be like Saudi Arabia declaring an embargo on Kuwait oil. Or Israel declaring an embargo on Chinese pork products. Or Iran declaring that no more Russian Vodka will be sold in their country. Utterly meaningless in the extreme.

Now granted, the US does take in an estimated 7% of its imports of oil from Russia. But that is primarily because oil is a fungible product. But now that every major oil shipping company has announced a ban on buying Russian crude, that is rapidly falling to 0%.

 

[gipper]

What a clusterfuck our response to this invasion would be if Putin's BFF was still in Washington. The world breathes a sigh of relief, along with educated and sensible Americans.



BRUSSELS — The Dutch are sending rocket launchers for air defense. The Estonians are sending Javelin antitank missiles. The Poles and the Latvians are sending Stinger surface-to-air missiles. The Czechs are sending machine guns, sniper rifles, pistols and ammunition.

Even formerly neutral countries like Sweden and Finland are sending weapons. And Germany, long allergic to sending weapons into conflict zones, is sending Stingers as well as other shoulder-launched rockets.

In all, about 20 countries — most members of NATO and the European Union, but not all — are funneling arms into Ukraine to fight off Russian invaders and arm an insurgency, if the war comes to that.

At the same time, NATO is moving military equipment and as many as 22,000 more troops into member states bordering Russia and Belarus, to reassure them and enhance deterrence.


The Russian invasion of Ukraine has brought European countries together as never before, minds concentrated by the larger threat to European security presented by the Russia of President Vladimir V. Putin.

“European security and defense has evolved more in the last six days than in the last two decades,” Ursula von der Leyen, the president of the European Union’s executive arm, asserted in a speech to the European Parliament on Tuesday. Brussels has moved to “Europeanize” the efforts of member states to aid Ukraine with weapons and money and put down a marker for the bloc as a significant military actor.


But whether European weaponry will continue to reach the Ukrainian battlefield in time to make a difference is far from certain. However proud Brussels is of its effort, it is a strategy that risks encouraging a wider war and possible retaliation from Mr. Putin. The rush of lethal military aid into Ukraine from Poland, a member of NATO, aims, after all, to kill Russian soldiers.

Mr. Putin already sees NATO as committed to threaten or even destroy Russia through its support for Ukraine, as he has repeated in his recent speeches, even as he has raised the nuclear alert of his own forces to warn Europe and the United States of the risks of interference.

NATO Countries Pour Weapons Into Ukraine, Risking Conflict With Russia (Published 2022)

Brussels is proud to be providing military aid, but Moscow may see it as a dangerous intervention.

www.nytimes.com

Too bad NATO wasn’t dissolved long ago. This war wouldn’t be happening.

 

[MisterBeale]

Too bad NATO wasn’t dissolved long ago. This war wouldn’t be happening.

Very few folks have the ability to perceive the lies and see through them. Those who can, must be patient with those who can't, especially during a time when the US government is purposely lying to Americans.

 

[georgephillip]

All history prior to February 24 2022 is irrelevant to the humanitarian must of global condemnation of the start of Putin’s new fascist campaign of genocide being committed for fifteen days so far inside the territorial borders of Ukraine.

That comment displays the same level of ignorance as saying the Normandy Invasion against the "sovereign" and "democratic" Vichy French was the start of WWII.

The US orchestrated a coup in 2014 that overthrew a corrupt yet democratically elected Ukrainian president by supporting Nazis. That happened after thirty years of NATO expansion which has resulted in placing hostile military forces on Russian borders. You should stop blaming Putin for overreacting to US imperialism.

 

[gipper]

Very few folks have the ability to perceive the lies and see through them. Those who can, must be patient with those who can't, especially during a time when the US government is purposely lying to Americans.

I know you’re right, but I don’t have patience for these fools. They’re going to get us all killed.

 

[georgephillip]

You cited LEV GOLINKIN as an authority on NAZIS in UKRAINE. He says Nazis in Ukraine do not justify the genocide that Putin has ordered his military to do to in Ukrainian people women elderly and children who did nothing to Ever threaten the people of Russia.

Putin would not be in Ukraine today if the US had not trained and armed Ukrainian Nazis over the past 7 years

Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine

"In 2017, Congressman Ro Khanna led the effort to ban Azov from receiving U.S. arms and training. But the damage has already been done:

"The research group Bellingcat proved that Azov had already received access to American grenade launchers, while a Daily Beast investigation showed that US trainers are unable to prevent aid from reaching white supremacists.

"And Azov itself had proudly posted a video of the unit welcoming NATO representatives.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

The US orchestrated a coup in 2014

The US favoring a side is not orchestrating a coup. That is Putin : Bannon propaganda. Putin had the Manafort / Trump connection helping the pro- Russia side in Ukraine and one million Crimea voters put the Putin : Manafort candidate in power in Kiev. Yanakovich. That’s your legally elected government in 2012. Yanakovich was the Russian version of a Trump oligarch - he was corrupt and livng lavish off the backs of Western Ukrainians who prefer the EU to RUSSIA. Yanukovich tried to take Ukraine into the Russian orbit. The Euromaidan protests then began. Yanukovich fled, Putin annexed Crimea, thereby taking one million pro Russia voters out of Ukraine politics - never again could Putin effect Ukraine’s Democratic process

Why did Ukraine’s Euromaidan protests begin?​

In late November 2013, Ukrainians took to the streets in peaceful protest after then-president Viktor Yanukovych chose not to sign an agreement that would have integrated the country more closely with the European Union.​

​

As the protests in Kyiv’s Independence Square, or Maidan, continued into 2014, the government began cracking down on the demonstrators. The size of the protests only grew in reaction and turned into what was termed “the revolution of dignity.” Those who remained on the Maidan risked assault, kidnapping, unlawful arrest, and loss of their jobs. On January 16, the government introduced a series of repressive laws severely restricting civil society and the right to protest. On January 22, the first protesters were killed in clashes in Kyiv; in all, over 100 mostly civilian protesters died, the majority on February 20 and 21.​

​

On February 22, after President Yanukovych had fled the country, parliament voted to oust him and hold new elections. On May 25, Ukrainians elected Petro Poroshenko as president. After October elections, a new pro-reform coalition government came into power in December 2014.​

What were the Euromaidan protests about​

​

The protests were more than a demand for closer EU relations; they were a rejection of injustice as a way of life and of the post-Soviet politics of corruption and nepotism. Ukrainians took to the streets to denounce the country’s endemic corruption, from the grand corruption practiced by ex-president Yanukovych and his peers, to everyday corruption and petty unfairness—like the need to bribe a teacher to get better classroom conditions for your children, a doctor to get an appointment, or the traffic police to avoid unlawful fines.​

​

Civil society activists and NGOs played an important role in organizing this early protest movement. Ukraine’s independent media—including Ukrainska Pravda, Nashi Groshi (Our Money), and Slidstvo.info—were also pivotal in exposing the corruption that eventually brought people onto the streets in November 2013.​

​

The brutal government crackdown that followed these initial protests galvanized Maidan supporters and encouraged more to join. This momentum, further propelled by the killings of February 20 and 21, led to the removal of ex-president Yanukovych from power.​

What happened in Crimea and how has it affected people living there?​

On February 27 and 28, pro-Russian gunmen seized key buildings in Crimea and took control of the Crimean Peninsula, which has an ethnic Russian majority. On March 16, in a disputed referendum that Ukraine and the West deemed illegal, a section of the Crimean population chose to secede from Ukraine. On March 18, Russian and Crimean leaders signed a deal in Moscow to join the region to Russia.​

​

Following Russia’s annexation of Crimea, many people from the Ukrainian community and Crimean Tatar minority community, fearing repression, fled the region. Those who stayed behind have faced persecution. Other vulnerable groups have also suffered; for instance, methadone treatment for former drug users is not allowed under Russian law and was stopped after the annexation—an estimated 100 people have died in Crimea as a result.​

A 5-Minute Guide to Understanding Ukraine’s Euromaidan Protests

Amid ongoing conflict, Ukraine’s civil society is working hard to enable reforms; support independent, accurate reporting; and help thousands of displaced people.

www.opensocietyfoundations.org

Your mind is starved for facts georgephillip . Your head is so far up Putin’s fascist ass it gets no oxygen or sunlight. You are so far left you wen full circle to the Trump fascist right.

When Putin annexed Crimea he took a million pro-Moscow voters out of Ukraine. He could not control a Ukrainian election ever again. What we see today - military invasion and genocide is the result on how Putin intended to take all of Ukraine all along., He built the bridge tin Crimea for his tanks not for tourists.

 

[gipper]

The US favoring a side is not orchestrating a coup. That is Putin : Bannon propaganda. Putin had the Manafort / Trump connection helping the pro- Russia side in Ukraine and one million Crimea voters put the Putin : Manafort candidate in. Yanakovich. That’s your legally elected government in 2012. Yanakovich was the Russian version of a Trump oligarch - he was corrupt and livng lavish off the backs of Western Ukrainians who prefer the EU to RUSSIA. Yanukovich tried to take Ukraine into the Russian orbit. The Euromaidan protests then began. Yanukovich fled, Putin annexed Crimea, thereby taking one million pro Russia voters out of Ukraine politics - never again could Putin effect Ukraine’s Democratic process

Why did Ukraine’s Euromaidan protests begin?​

In late November 2013, Ukrainians took to the streets in peaceful protest after then-president Viktor Yanukovych chose not to sign an agreement that would have integrated the country more closely with the European Union.​

​

As the protests in Kyiv’s Independence Square, or Maidan, continued into 2014, the government began cracking down on the demonstrators. The size of the protests only grew in reaction and turned into what was termed “the revolution of dignity.” Those who remained on the Maidan risked assault, kidnapping, unlawful arrest, and loss of their jobs. On January 16, the government introduced a series of repressive laws severely restricting civil society and the right to protest. On January 22, the first protesters were killed in clashes in Kyiv; in all, over 100 mostly civilian protesters died, the majority on February 20 and 21.​

​

On February 22, after President Yanukovych had fled the country, parliament voted to oust him and hold new elections. On May 25, Ukrainians elected Petro Poroshenko as president. After October elections, a new pro-reform coalition government came into power in December 2014.​

What were the Euromaidan protests about​

​

The protests were more than a demand for closer EU relations; they were a rejection of injustice as a way of life and of the post-Soviet politics of corruption and nepotism. Ukrainians took to the streets to denounce the country’s endemic corruption, from the grand corruption practiced by ex-president Yanukovych and his peers, to everyday corruption and petty unfairness—like the need to bribe a teacher to get better classroom conditions for your children, a doctor to get an appointment, or the traffic police to avoid unlawful fines.​

​

Civil society activists and NGOs played an important role in organizing this early protest movement. Ukraine’s independent media—including Ukrainska Pravda, Nashi Groshi (Our Money), and Slidstvo.info—were also pivotal in exposing the corruption that eventually brought people onto the streets in November 2013.​

​

The brutal government crackdown that followed these initial protests galvanized Maidan supporters and encouraged more to join. This momentum, further propelled by the killings of February 20 and 21, led to the removal of ex-president Yanukovych from power.​

What happened in Crimea and how has it affected people living there?​

On February 27 and 28, pro-Russian gunmen seized key buildings in Crimea and took control of the Crimean Peninsula, which has an ethnic Russian majority. On March 16, in a disputed referendum that Ukraine and the West deemed illegal, a section of the Crimean population chose to secede from Ukraine. On March 18, Russian and Crimean leaders signed a deal in Moscow to join the region to Russia.​

​

Following Russia’s annexation of Crimea, many people from the Ukrainian community and Crimean Tatar minority community, fearing repression, fled the region. Those who stayed behind have faced persecution. Other vulnerable groups have also suffered; for instance, methadone treatment for former drug users is not allowed under Russian law and was stopped after the annexation—an estimated 100 people have died in Crimea as a result.​

A 5-Minute Guide to Understanding Ukraine’s Euromaidan Protests

Amid ongoing conflict, Ukraine’s civil society is working hard to enable reforms; support independent, accurate reporting; and help thousands of displaced people.

www.opensocietyfoundations.org

Your mind is starved for facts georgephillip . Your head is so far up Putin’s fascist ass it gets no oxygen or sunlight. You are so far left you wen full circle to the Trump fascist right.

When Putin annexed Crimea he took a million pro-Moscow voters out of Ukraine. He could not control a Ukrainian election ever again. What we see today - military invasion and genocide is the result on how Putin intended to take all of Ukraine all along., He built the bridge tin Crimea for his tanks not for tourists.

Favoring a side…lol. They did more than that.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Favoring a side…lol. They did more than that.

What did they do? In your words, please,

 

[georgephillip]

Here’s a clue or two. “Soviet Union“. “Cold war” and that was between Kennedy and Khrushchev. The United States did not start a campaign of genocide in Cuba in an attempt to subjugate the island.

The US attempted to invade Cuba in 1961.
Would you call that an attempt at subjugation?

"The Bay of Pigs Invasion (Spanish: invasión de bahía de Cochinos; sometimes called invasión de playa Girón or batalla de Girón, after the Playa Girón) was a failed landing operation on the southwestern coast of Cuba in 1961 by Cuban exiles who opposed Fidel Castro's Cuban Revolution.

"Covertly financed and directed by the U.S. government, the operation took place at the height of the Cold War, and its failure led to major shifts in international relations between Cuba, the United States, and the Soviet Union."

Bay of Pigs Invasion - Wikipedia

 

[georgephillip]

There are 400,000 human beings freezing starving dehydrating in the sieged city of Mariupol as they are surrounded by Russian forces and sea. Putin‘s armies are cowards. Shelling the city from 30 km away and shooting them if they try to escape

None of which would be happening today if the US had not directed a coup against a democratically elected government in 2014. Biden is more responsible for dead Nazis in Mariupol than Putin.

"Biden shakes hands with Ukrainian fascist leader, Oleh Yaroslavovych Tyahnybok, in Kiev, Ukraine, April 22, 2014."

MintPress Study: NY Times, Washington Post Driving U.S. to War with Russia Over Ukraine

 

[NotfooledbyW]

You should stop blaming Putin for overreacting to US imperialism

The overreaction is Putin committing genocidal aggression on peaceful people whom Putin feels the paranoidal need to subjugate to settle geo-political scores.

Putin would not be in Ukraine today

It’s absurd for you to entertain such an unverifiable thought let alone posting it
as if it could be an argument of fact.

 

[georgephillip]

What was this bomber pilot doing in Ukrainian airspace dropping bombs on residential buildings full of oeaceful

How does that compare to the US destruction of Fallujah?

 

[NotfooledbyW]

None of which would be happening today if the US had not directed a coup against a democratically elected government in 2014.

Is the United States nothing more than a French directed coup against the Brittish Crown in 1776?

By your reasonings this is all the fault of Macron not Putin.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

How does that compare to the US destruction of Fallujah?

Blair and Bush committed a war crime when they rejected UN inspectors resolving the matter of WMD under UN Resolutions in Iraq based on a lie to justify regime change. Bush should hang for what he started on March 19 2003.

But unfortunately when Bush committed that war crime he committed our military to keeping the peace and establishing order and a system of government in a Muslim nation. I don’t blame our military for doing what fhey had to do., It was Petraeus and officers below him that turned the Sunni insurgency around not Bush that got us out of Iraq with somewhat of a government left behind - and we did not seize an inch of land or a drop of oil for ourselves. It’s all on Bush for lying and deciding to do it. He still should be taken to the Hauge with Vladimir Putin.