Remembering Robert E. Lee: American Patriot and Southern Hero

[hortysir]

 

[Baruch Menachem]

It's racist to celebrate anyone who fought for slavery.

If you knew anything about history you would know Lee was against slavery.

He (legally his wife, a quibble) owned 200+ slaves through the war. He held them despite the fact the will that granted them to him said he was supposed to manumit them long before the war. People justified him because of the huge expense of manumitting them. However, in contrast to Grant who had one slave given him and the greater expense of manumitting him in Missouri than in VA managed to do it in a year

 

[candycorn]

Love what happened to his house....we should do stuff like that today.

So we SHOULD pile up all the dead Afghanistan vets in front of Obama's house.
Which one? Chicago or Hawaii?

Crawford Texas would be a more appropriate place....

Do you want to celebrate Osama Bin Laden's birthday too? Lee=Bin Laden

You do know more have died in Afghanistan under Obama, right?

Wouldn't be there without the guy who started it all, GWB....he is the one with blood on his hands.

 

[candycorn]

Lee put Virginia first, the Union second, and the Confederacy third, however, as is often the case,

events overwhelmed his principles.

most people today do not understand that the world was a much different place back then

If this board is any indication, it hasn't changed at all. Some whites still hate blacks, would prefer they stay enslaved, wish the government would be overthrown, etc... I doubt they are honest--true imbeciles such as that are few and far between--but that is their rhetoric.

 

[Baruch Menachem]

Wuckfit slavery apologia from the far right reactionary revisionist does indicate why we can let those nitwits have political power. They have lost most of what they won four years ago, and the GOP is talking away the remainder.

What are you on? Dude, you better check into the Betty Ford clinic stat!

 

[paperview]

The man was Committed to the Constitution, no doubt. Slavery was a part of that Constitution. Shame that it was.

And Yes! - He saved the Union!

That he did, by gosh.

Be thankful. You might not live in the most prosperous, powerful country in the world had he not.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Wuckfit slavery apologia from the far right reactionary revisionist does indicate why we can let those nitwits have political power. They have lost most of what they won four years ago, and the GOP is talking away the remainder.

What are you on? Dude, you better check into the Betty Ford clinic stat!

You deny the far right TP nuts have been beat down? Check yourself in then.

 

[Baruch Menachem]

I don't know what you said there. Neither do you.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Baruch is babbling again like a mindlessly chattering chipmunk.

You always end up looking like an idiot when you debate those who smarter than you from the mainstream.

Run along.

 

[Toro]

Robert E. Lee was a great American. He deserves a holiday

CIVIL WAR OP-ED Remembering Robert E. Lee American Patriot and Southern Hero Huntington News

Sir Winston Churchill called General Robert E. Lee, “one of the noblest Americans who ever lived.”

Please let me call to your attention that Monday, January 19, 2015, is the 208th birthday of Robert E. Lee, whose memory is still dear in the hearts of many Southerners. Why is this man so honored in the South and respected in the North? Lee was even respected by the soldiers of Union blue who fought against him during the War Between the States.

What is your community doing to commemorate the birthday of this great American?

General Lee’s portrait adorns the State Capitol in Atlanta where the Georgia Division Sons of Confederate Veterans hosted their 1st Lee birthday in 1988. The SCV will host their annual Robert E. Lee birthday celebration on Saturday January 17, 2015 at Georgia’s Old Secession Capitol on Greene Street in Milledgeville. Read more at: 2015 Annual Robert E Lee Birthday Celebration

During Robert E. Lee's 100th birthday in 1907, Charles Francis Adams, Jr., a former Union Commander and grandson of US President John Quincy Adams, spoke in tribute to Robert E. Lee at Washington and Lee College's Lee Chapel in Lexington, Virginia. His speech was printed in both Northern and Southern newspapers and is said to had lifted Lee to a renewed respect among the American people.

And In Lexington, Virginia events are scheduled for the birthday of Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson on January 16th and 17th. Read more at: Home - Lee-Jackson Day Lexington VA

Dr. Edward C. Smith, respected African-American Professor of History at American University in Washington, D.C. , told the audience in Atlanta, Ga. during a 1995 Robert E. Lee birthday event, quote 'Dr. Martin Luther King and Robert E. Lee were individuals worthy of emulation because they understood history.' Unquote
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God bless the memory of Robert E. Lee, man of God, patriot, and the last true freedom fighter in this country's history.

You have a funny notion of "Freedom."

The "freedom" argument is nonsense.

It's not just that these people brutally subjugated and enslaved millions of people, their ancestors continued to deny freedoms to others for another 100 years through Segregation.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

The man was Committed to the Constitution, no doubt. Slavery was a part of that Constitution. Shame that it was.

And Yes! - He saved the Union!

That he did, by gosh.

Be thankful. You might not live in the most prosperous, powerful country in the world had he not.

What union did he save? 11 states wanted to leave and he decided to kill them instead of letting them leave. The union would have gone on with or without those 11 states, so again, what union did he save?

There's a reason that those states seceded and it had everything to do with the economic oppression being exerted by Northern states by means of their population advantage. They passed hefty tariffs that devastated the agricultural economy of the South and were heedless of any protest to the damage they were doing. Fort Sumter is where these levies were collected and the reason it was fired upon when all peaceful measures were exhausted.

All this to say, even if you believe that the union could only be "saved" by not losing those 11 states, there were other ways to do it, such as repealing those stupid laws and appealing to those states to rejoin the United States...honey attracting more flies than vinegar and all that.

Herr Lincoln Über Alles didn't have to murder 600,000 people to "save the union".

 

[Toro]

What union did he save? 11 states wanted to leave and he decided to kill them instead of letting them leave. The union would have gone on with or without those 11 states, so again, what union did he save?

There's a reason that those states seceded and it had everything to do with the economic oppression being exerted by Northern states by means of their population advantage. They passed hefty tariffs that devastated the agricultural economy of the South and were heedless of any protest to the damage they were doing. Fort Sumter is where these levies were collected and the reason it was fired upon when all peaceful measures were exhausted.

Tariffs had been declining prior to the Civil War, due primarily to Southern opposition. They went up when the South seceded.

For several decades prior to the Civil War, the North was forced to delay or compromise several of its national economic policy objectives due to Southern opposition and the strong position the Southern states held in the Senate. As soon as the Southern states seceded Congress began enacting this delayed agenda. The Morrill Tariff of 1861 raised rates to 20 percent on average, ending more than 30 years of declining tariffs.

Civil War and Industrial Expansion 1860 x2013 1897 Overview FREE Civil War and Industrial Expansion 1860 x2013 1897 Overview information Encyclopedia.com Find Civil War and Industrial Expansion 1860 x2013 1897 Overview research

 

[bripat9643]

Wrong, he fought for his state, the CSA, and his property. The USA could not "invade" Virginia, for Virginia was a governmental entity indivisble from the USA.

Wrong. You're quoting the pledge of allegiance, which was written by some commie. Nothing in the Constitution says a state can't secede.

 

[rightwinger]

Robert E. Lee was a great American. He deserves a holiday

CIVIL WAR OP-ED Remembering Robert E. Lee American Patriot and Southern Hero Huntington News

Sir Winston Churchill called General Robert E. Lee, “one of the noblest Americans who ever lived.”

Please let me call to your attention that Monday, January 19, 2015, is the 208th birthday of Robert E. Lee, whose memory is still dear in the hearts of many Southerners. Why is this man so honored in the South and respected in the North? Lee was even respected by the soldiers of Union blue who fought against him during the War Between the States.

What is your community doing to commemorate the birthday of this great American?

General Lee’s portrait adorns the State Capitol in Atlanta where the Georgia Division Sons of Confederate Veterans hosted their 1st Lee birthday in 1988. The SCV will host their annual Robert E. Lee birthday celebration on Saturday January 17, 2015 at Georgia’s Old Secession Capitol on Greene Street in Milledgeville. Read more at: 2015 Annual Robert E Lee Birthday Celebration

During Robert E. Lee's 100th birthday in 1907, Charles Francis Adams, Jr., a former Union Commander and grandson of US President John Quincy Adams, spoke in tribute to Robert E. Lee at Washington and Lee College's Lee Chapel in Lexington, Virginia. His speech was printed in both Northern and Southern newspapers and is said to had lifted Lee to a renewed respect among the American people.

And In Lexington, Virginia events are scheduled for the birthday of Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson on January 16th and 17th. Read more at: Home - Lee-Jackson Day Lexington VA

Dr. Edward C. Smith, respected African-American Professor of History at American University in Washington, D.C. , told the audience in Atlanta, Ga. during a 1995 Robert E. Lee birthday event, quote 'Dr. Martin Luther King and Robert E. Lee were individuals worthy of emulation because they understood history.' Unquote
​

God bless the memory of Robert E. Lee, man of God, patriot, and the last true freedom fighter in this country's history.

You have a funny notion of "Freedom."

The "freedom" argument is nonsense.

It's not just that these people brutally subjugated and enslaved millions of people, their ancestors continued to deny freedoms to others for another 100 years through Segregation.

Martin Luther King fought for freedom
Lee fought to keep people as property

 

[bripat9643]

We know Lee fought against the Union, thus fought for slavery.

stmike talking about history is similar to a hamster eating the pages of a history book.

The Civil War was not fought over slavery.

Of course not....it was fought over a states right to allow slavery

Oh God, not that crap again.

All one has to do is read the justifications for secession written by South Carolina, Mississippi, Georgia, and Texas. These were the direct words of the people who started the civil war, and the reasons they gave for doing that. Only a revisionist moron accepts contemporary spin about it.

Avalon Project - Confederate States of America - Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union

I have read those justifications as well as the Constitution of the Confederacy.......protecting slavery was prominent

Whatever the confederate states stated as their reason for seceding, the fact is that Lincoln invaded them, not the other way around, and his motive was to enforce the Morrill Tariff.

 

[paperview]

To the neo-confederate white supremacists inhabiting this thread:

All your democratic southern brethren who fought that war are dead now...I'm sure even some of them, from on high, are whispering, through the clouds: "Let it go."

 

[bripat9643]

We know Lee fought against the Union, thus fought for slavery.

stmike talking about history is similar to a hamster eating the pages of a history book.

The Civil War was not fought over slavery.

Of course not....it was fought over a states right to allow slavery

Oh God, not that crap again.

All one has to do is read he justifications for secession written by South Carolina, Mississippi, Georgia, and Texas. There were the direct words of the people who started the civil war, and the reasons they gave for doing that. Only a revisionist moron accepts contemporary spin about it.

Avalon Project - Confederate States of America - Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union

Lincoln started the Civil War, dumbshit. He invaded Virginia. It wasn't the other way around.

On April 12, 1861, General P.G.T. Beauregard, in command of the Confederate forces around Charleston Harbor, opened fire on the Union garrison holding Fort Sumter. At 2:30pm on April 13 Major Robert Anderson, garrison commander, surrendered the fort and was evacuated the next day.

Fort Sumter was South Carolina territory. Firing on your own territory isn't an act of war.

 

[bripat9643]

It's racist to celebrate anyone who fought for slavery.

If you knew anything about history you would know Lee was against slavery.

Against it in a "I'm going to keep my slaves until I am forced to free them" kind of way.

Yes, he expressed a few sentiments against slavery, but still fought *for* the cause of defending, preserving, protecting and expanding slavery. There's no getting around that.

You're a moron who doesn't know history. Almost nobody on the confederate side was fighting for slavery because very few even owned slaves or had a stake in slavery.

The war was fought because 11 states seceded over issues that had nothing to do with slavery and Herr Lincoln Über Alles used illegal force to dragoon them back into the union.

Do you even know why Fort Sumter was fired upon? Of course you don't because you're an ignoramus who has no clue what the issues were leading up to the war.

Ooops, hit agree by accident....you're a moron.

Read the southern justifications for secession...their own words by the way

In other words, you are unable to answer any of his questions.

 

[bripat9643]

Southern plantation owners suckered poor white trash into fighting for slavery.

Lincoln suckered million of Northern farmers into fighting for the Union.

 

[bripat9643]

What union did he save? 11 states wanted to leave and he decided to kill them instead of letting them leave. The union would have gone on with or without those 11 states, so again, what union did he save?

There's a reason that those states seceded and it had everything to do with the economic oppression being exerted by Northern states by means of their population advantage. They passed hefty tariffs that devastated the agricultural economy of the South and were heedless of any protest to the damage they were doing. Fort Sumter is where these levies were collected and the reason it was fired upon when all peaceful measures were exhausted.

Tariffs had been declining prior to the Civil War, due primarily to Southern opposition. They went up when the South seceded.

For several decades prior to the Civil War, the North was forced to delay or compromise several of its national economic policy objectives due to Southern opposition and the strong position the Southern states held in the Senate. As soon as the Southern states seceded Congress began enacting this delayed agenda. The Morrill Tariff of 1861 raised rates to 20 percent on average, ending more than 30 years of declining tariffs.

Civil War and Industrial Expansion 1860 x2013 1897 Overview FREE Civil War and Industrial Expansion 1860 x2013 1897 Overview information Encyclopedia.com Find Civil War and Industrial Expansion 1860 x2013 1897 Overview research

The Morrill Tariff was passed before the Confederates states seceded. It was one of the highest tariffs ever passed by Congress.